We’ve reached the end of the road for 2019. Today the Reds and Pirates square off in game #162 at PNC Park. Starting time is 3:05PM  EDT as all MLB games across the country begin simultaneously.

The Reds will finish 4th in the NL Central Division with a record of either 75-87 or 74-88, pending the outcome of today’s game.  After all the ups and downs of 162 games, that’s about where many of us thought they’d end up even as we hoped for better. This is their best finish since 2014 (76-86; 4th place) in terms of both wins and position. Let’s  hope it is just the first small step on the way to much better things in 2020 and beyond.

Starting Pitching

As surmised here yesterday, Trevor Bauer has been scratched. The surprise starter for the Reds today will instead be Tyler Mahle.  However if things go as planned there will still be a starting pitcher named Trevor in today’s game, Trevor Williams for the Pirates.

Tyler Mahle (RHP)

Tyler Mahle steps into the lurch today making his  25th start of the season for the Reds. It seems fitting he’d be the surprise starter in Trevor Bauer’s place since his season, like Bauer’s with the Reds, has seen flashes of brilliance lacking bottom line results for the team. In the end, Mahle’s ERA for 2019 is 19% worse than league average while his FIP is a somewhat better  6% underwater against league average. Mahle’s only prior start against the Pirates in 2019 came clear back on  April 4. He allowed no runs on 5 hits in that 6 inning stint. Mahle is working today on just 3 days rest; so, expect things to devolve into another bullpen game for the Reds.


Trevor Williams (RHP)

Trevor Williams is finishing his third season in the Pirates rotation at age 27 after being the #44 overall pick in the June 2013 draft. In 25 prior starts this year his ERA and FIP are a bit more underwater relative to league average than Mahle’s at -28% ERA; -14% FIP.  Williams looked to be getting into a season ending groove prior to his last 2 starts when he was roughed up by the Cubs and Brewers. Today will be his third start of the year against the Reds, the most recent one coming on August 24 when he pitched 6 scoreless inning allowing just 3 hits.

Tale Of The Tape

Tyler Mahle 5.34 4.80 1.34 1.80 6.3% 23.1%
Trevor Williams 5.52 5.04 1.44 1.62 6.9% 17.7%

Mahle has a nice K%; and, at day’s end, he doesn’t walk too many guys. However his WHIP and HR/9 indicate why  is  not getting the results he needs to continue to grow and progress up the chain in the Reds rotation.


Yes, both clubs have well stocked bullpens; and, at least the Reds pen figures to be especially busy today with Tyler Mahle going on short rest.


        REDS         PIRATES
1. Jose Peraza (SS)
2. Joey Votto (1B)
3. Eugenio Suarez (3B)
4. Aristides Aquino (RF)
5. Josh VanMeter (LF)
6. Kyle Farmer (2B)
7. Curt Casali (C)
8. Brian O’Grady (CF)
9. Tyler Mahle (P)
1. Kevin Newman (SS)
2. Adam Frazier (2B)
3. Melky Cabrera (RF)
4. Jose Osuna (1B)
5. Pablo Reyes (CF)
6. Jake Elmore (LF)
7. Jacob Stallings (C)
8. Erik Gonzalez (3B)
9. Trevor Williams (P

News and Notes

The teams for 2019 MLb postseason playoffs are settled. The only thing on the line today is whether the Brewers or Cardinals will be NL Central Champions with the loser of that race filling in the second NL wildcard spot

In case you’d gone on to bed last night or early this morning before the Reds wrapped up their 12 inning win, here’s Redleg Nation’s recap by Doug Gray:

Reds finally get late-inning clutch hits to beat the Pirates


And by the way, one of the clutch RBI hits was by a Reds pitcher NOT named Michael Lorenzen.


And to get the off season talk started, here’s this from RedsMinorLeagues.com

Final Thought

Thank you for making Redleg Nation the online community where you come to keep up with the Reds and share your thoughts about them in comments.  Redleg Nation will be closely following the off season action as the team looks to take larger steps toward competitiveness and ultimately playoff contention beginning in 2020. Hope to see you here often over the winter. As always GO REDS! 

Stats and data courtesy of  Fangraphs, Baseball Reference and MLB.com


28 Responses

  1. Jon

    Maddon out as Cubs manager. Dick Williams, now it’s your chance to hire him…

    • AirborneJayJay

      Girardi to the Cubs no doubt. Maddon ends up in Washington, SF, SD, or Seattle.
      I echo your sentiment though. Or better yet, entice Bruce Bochy not to retire. But the Reds aren’t going to pay someone not to manage the next 2 years and pay someone mega bucks to manage. Unfortunately.

      • AirborneJayJay

        The more I think about this Maddon thing, the more I think SD is the perfect landing spot for him. They have a surplus of players and prospects to hand Maddon a loaded Major League roster for 2020.

    • Baseball_Is_Good

      Please no Madden. Wanna dump Bell, that is fine. But only if you can get an upgrade.

      And that’s not Madden. He’s like Bell on steroids. Except he whines waaaaaaaaaaay more (and isn’t any better with in game management).


    Less than inspiring lineup, but …

    The balance of my 2,643,718 points ti my RLN family. It’s a little easier traveling this road with y’all.

  3. Sliotar

    Nice set-up, Jim. And, nice work this year.

    Always a sad day when the last Reds game occurs.

    The difference with this season….I can’t remember an end of season time where the fan base is already saying, “they better go all-in this winter …. or I am all-out.”

    Interesting times ahead.

  4. centerfield

    Why does Van Meter play everywhere EXCEPT 2B? I honestly haven’t seen enough reps there to decide if he is adequate defensively. We know he is less than average in LF and at 1B. Couldn’t Farmer play LF? I really don’t understand Bell’s thinking….

    • Curt

      JVM made it to the highest level of professional baseball as an infielder so I think it’s safe to say and when we’ve seen him there 2B, or 3b, he is plenty adequate.

      As to Bell’s thinking, ha! He’s playing a video game so who knows. It would be nice if he told us, wouldn’t it? Nobody seems to be pressing him for an explanation either, especially now that his use/misuse of JVM has convinced everyone he’s a bust. Maddening for sure.

      • Old-school

        Festival seating for the Reds lineup.

  5. JB

    August 10th we were 4 1/2 out of the witmld card and 6 from central lead. We all had so much enthusiasm and couldn’t wait for the Cubs series. Its been all down hill since. Season sunk faster than a blink of an eye. Now where? Holes everywhere in the lineup and bullpen. First on the agenda should be fire and hire a new hitting coach. One that demands players get on base and have at least a .320 OBP.

  6. Old-school

    Disappointing season. Another 87+ loss season. Getting Sonny Gray for Shed Long a great move.

    But, Yasiel Puig-. Matt Kemp and Alex Wood are all gone. They cost 27$ million. The Reds were never in contention. The mega trade that wasn’t also cost Josiah Gray. The Reds have Trevor Bauer for 2020 and lost Taylor Trammell. If that’s going all in… No thanks.

    What could Taylor Trammell and Josiah Gray have landed together?

    • jim walker

      a year ago and with some window dressing, maybe Realmuto?

  7. Old-school

    Glad to see the Pirates move forward without Clint Hurdle.

  8. Seat101

    Why do you fire manager right before the last game of the season? It seems like a very small minded, petty, and not nice thing to do.

    • Roger Garrett

      I agree.Kind of makes no sense at all.His years there ought to get him more then that.He did more then most could have done with that roster.

      • Wayne nabors

        Not sure who doug was referring to,but hurdle was definitely fired.he was signed thru 2021,my guess is it was maddon

  9. Jon

    Looking ahead toward 2020, the Reds have two definite players in their starting lineup (Suarez and Votto), two definite players if healthy (Senzel and Winker), and two question marks (Aquino and VanMeter). I think it’s safe to say that Galvis and Dietrich will have their options declined, and Peraza will be non-tendered. The question is whether or not Jose Iglesias is signed to a new contract, or if the Reds try to find a long-term solution at shortstop with more power in his bat. Catcher is the other position in clear need of an offensive upgrade.

  10. Ed

    Mahle looking Good against the crappy Pirates. Glad to see Hurdle gone- they had no other choice. Seems like a scumbag to me and a morally bereft organization. I’m totally speculating but I wonder if Crick had caught wind of Vazquez horrible proclivities before they fought.

    Thanks for a great season guys, my first year as a fan of the Redlegs after a decade here, and I really appreciate all the dialogue, point/counterpoint, and everybody’s shared enthusiasm as well as our apprehension future!

    Finally – Roark gets the start for the A’s WC game against the mariners

  11. doofus


    Thank you for your contributions to RLN. I enjoy reading all of your perceptive insight on situations, players, the front office, etc.

  12. doofus

    Having to listen to the Pirate announcing team of Bob Walk, the retiring Steve Blass and others makes me appreciate Thom Brennaman and Chris Welch.

    • VaRedsFan

      Pirates are my least favorite announcers from other teams. But none are worse than Thom.

  13. VaRedsFan

    Positive momentum!!! 2 game winning streak!

  14. Old-school

    Cards celebrating an NL central division championship. Who saw that? They made bold moves the last 2 years- traded for an elite first baseman.. signed a power hitting left fielder and developed and signed pitching, despite injuries. They also fired a manager mid season when the results weren’t acceotable. Accountability.

    Bell losing 87 games this season with this SP is a bad year for him. The hitting is unacceptable. No walks..no on base … No situational hitting. Swing early and swing often.

    • TR

      I give the Cards credit; they’re a top organization. At least the Cubs missed the playoffs.