Game 1

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (63-71)
6 7 2
St. Louis Cardinals (74-59)
10 12 0
W: Hudson (14-6) L: Bauer (10-12)
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Trevor Bauer did not have a good start and before you knew it the Reds were down 6-2 and the Cardinals didn’t look back. But the Reds certainly made it interesting before it was all over.

The Offense

Joey Votto singled in the first and scored when Eugenio Suarez crushed his 39th home run of the season into Big Mac Land. That put the Reds up 2-0 in the top of the 1st. It was the last time they would be in front. They wouldn’t score again until the 8th inning, when Aristides Aquino singled in Joey Votto to make it an 8-3 ballgame. That wouldn’t be the only damage done in the inning, though. After several walks, Tucker Barnhart came up with the bases juiced and on a full count he doubled in three runs to make it 8-6. Jose Iglesias followed with a single to put runners on the corners and the go-ahead run at the plate. Unfortunately a ground out ended the inning with no more runs coming across the plate. They couldn’t get much of anything going in the 9th.

Eugenio Suarez went 2-3 with a walk, 2 runs scored, and 2 RBI. Tucker Barnhart went 2-4 with 3 RBI.

The Pitching

Trevor Bauer’s struggles continued this afternoon in St. Louis. He allowed six earned runs in 4.0 innings – including four in the bottom of the 1st inning after being handed a 2-0 lead to work with. Dexter Fowler and Yadier Molina both touched him up for home runs before he was removed from the game.

R.J. Alaniz took over to start the 5th inning for the Reds. He got through that inning clean, but allowed a run in each of the next two before being replaced by Joel Kuhnel who recorded the final out of the 7th. Lucas Sums came out for the 8th inning and gave up 2 more runs, making it a 10-6 game – which would be the final score.

Notes Worth Noting

Eugenio Suarez hit his 39th home run of the season in the 1st inning, clobbering it 423 feet into Big Mac Land down the left field line. That ties him for the franchise record for home runs in a season by a third baseman. Tony Perez hit 40 back in 1970, but only 39 of those came as a third baseman.

Trevor Bauer has made six starts with the Reds, thrown 30.0 innings, and allowed 30 runs, 28 of which have been earned. That’s an ERA of 8.40.

Game 2

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (63-72)
2 3 1
St. Louis Cardinals (75-59)
3 8 1
W: Gant (10-0) L: Iglesias (2-11)
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The game started out well once again, but Raisel Iglesias’ struggles continued as he picked up his 11th loss of the season.

The Offense

Josh VanMeter took the first pitch of the game and hit it 411 feet into the stands for his 6th home run of the season to put the Reds up 1-0. Joey Votto would add a home run of his own in the 3rd inning. His 13th of the season went 407 feet to dead center field and made it a 2-0 game.

Joey Votto (2-4) and Josh VanMeter (1-3) had the only hits of the game for Cincinnati. Aristides Aquino went 0-2, but walked twice. While not “offense”, Nick Senzel made an incredible catch in the 7th inning to keep the Cardinals off of the board. He crashed into the wall as he made the catch, fired the ball into the infield to keep the two runners from advancing, and then had the trainer come out to check on him. He remained in the game.

The Pitching

For as much as Trevor Bauer struggled in the first game, Sonny Gray did not in the second game. He continued doing what he’s been doing – and dominated the Cardinals for 6.2 innings of one unearned run baseball that featured two walks and four strikeouts.

It was that 7th inning, though, where two runners were on with two outs when David Bell brought in Amir Garrett to face a lefty, and like like his nickname suggests, you can Count on AG. He struck out Kolten Wong to end the inning and preserve a 2-1 lead. That was all that Garrett would get, though. Michael Lorenzen came on for the 8th inning and he struck out two batters in a perfect inning.

That brings us to the 9th inning. Raisel Iglesias came on for the save. He didn’t get it. Tommy Edman singled to lead off the inning, then Yadier Molina was hit by a pitch. Harrison Bader then drove in the game tying run on a single to left field. That was it for Iglesias and Kevin Gausman came on to try and send the game into extras. He didn’t. Matt Carpenter singled on a 2-2 pitch to bring in the winning run for the Cardinals.

Notes Worth Noting

From Elias: Sonny Gray’s 0.74 ERA in August of 2019 is the lowest ERA in the month by a Reds pitcher since 1912 with at least 5 starts.

From me: Sonny Gray’s ERA dropped to 2.80 on the season, which moves him to the 7th best ERA in Major League Baseball.

Raisel Iglesias now holds the Reds record for most losses in a season, breaking the mark previously held by JJ Hoover. His ERA on the season is now 4.63 and he’s got five blown saves.

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69 Responses

  1. Alex

    Joey Votto had two hits…. wow, big day for him. He gets ice cream after the game.

    • CFD3000

      Votto had two of only three Reds hits against good pitching and your takeaway is that he’s the one who somehow failed in this game? Really?

  2. FreeHouse

    It’s time to put Lorenzen in the closer role. Iggy just stinks this season. Eleven losses for a relief pitcher is a pretty big deal. If it were me I would have gone to BobSteve over Gausman simply because he has better stuff and he’s also been on a nice roll.

    • KDJ

      Get rid of the (S) stat. Or, replace players and managers who place a higher value on it than they do the W-L stat.

  3. Davy13

    Please stick a fork in Iglesias and tell him that he’s done (at least for this season).

    • Ed

      The CBA does not allow teams to use forks like that anymore.

  4. jessecuster44

    I’m pretty sick and tired of Bell just running out pitchers who can’t get it done. Lorenzen should have started the 9th.

    Iggy shouldn’t pitch again this year unless it’s a mop up role.

    • Sliotar

      @Erik The Red, posting at the end of Game 2….

      “This organization is a long way from being playoff contenders in 2020. The offense is brutal at times this year.”

      I agree the offense needs major upgrades, can’t count on Suarez/Aquino every night.

      Most likely, the Reds probably will try to win 3-1, 2-1, etc. etc.

      But..that means the closer role has to be in lockdown mode the vast majority of the time. And, guys like JVM can’t make routine plays into a calamity defensively.

      Rolling with the current 25-man crew doesn’t scream “90 wins in 2020”, IMO.

  5. Big Ed

    Because games in which either Bauer or Iglesias pitch are automatic losses, I would suggest that the Reds just use Iglesias as Bauer’s opener.

    They could save their other pitchers for games they at least have a chance to win.

    It was disgraceful for Bell to use Iglesias, after Aquino and especially Senzel sacrificed their bodies against the fence and wall.

  6. Eric

    I was looking for a pre-emptive “Welp” from MBE, but she says y’all don’t pay attention to her anymore. *chuckle*

  7. Mike

    Players are cashing their checks and mailing in the season. Many have stopped playing for manager and for FO. Especially Iglesias. And the manager is the role model for the life saying of Forest Gump: “Stupid is as stupid does.”

    • CFD3000

      Ed is right. Really? Barnhart has turned his season around. Bauer is working really hard to get right. Suarez keeps hitting home runs and Aquino is ramping up his career and VanMeter and Votto and Ervin are grinding on every at bat. J. Iglesias keeps making highlight reel plays and Garrett and Lorenzen and Sims are clearly fired up to get opposing hitters out. Senzel is working on some mechanics upgrades and Casali is excited to be back and Sonny Gray just gets better and better. Ed is right. You’re not seeing what the rest of us are seeing.

  8. Art

    The feckless offense is a continuing problem. (I know, 6 runs in the first game, but that is a rare enough event.) But the brainless, robotic handling of the pitching at the end of the second game tells me that Bell, or whoever gives him his orders, needs to leave the Reds organization. If RI is not successful, the 2 best bullpen pitchers have pitched 1 inning and 1/3 inning and are out of the game and not available. Either of them should have pitched another inning.

    In the last Miami game, the explanation was that RI is not comfortable pitching in non-save situations. But he is no longer effective in save situations, it seems. Why is he pitching in any high leverage situations?

    • Ed

      Being comfortable matters and you shouldn’t have to settle. That’s why I picked Casper Matress. Go to their website and use the code”CLOSER” and save 0% off your next order.

  9. Stoney

    Sonny Gray competes and pitches his heart out every game only to see his effort wasted by incapable relievers and a manager who has zero feel and instincts during the course of a game. 10 and now 11 losses but rest assured Bell will put RI back out there to “get him going”. Going nowhere with this manager.

  10. TR

    I thought the word this season was to use Lorenzen in multiple innings. After breezing through the 8th. inning, using him in the 9th. made sense. And why use another relief pitcher when you’ve got another doubleheader the next day? If the Reds are going to contend in 2020 and beyond, I don’t see it happening with David Bell as manager

    • Burtgummer

      I don’t believe the Reds will be contenders until they get new ownership and front office the current guys care about making money not winning games

      • scotly50

        I agree mostly with this. Williams is the homer that needs to go. He has done nothing but make this team worse since he took over. Get someone in here that knows baseball and talent, not a relative of an owner.

        The current Reds team has embraced a losing. DFA Votto and Iglesias.

    • Doc

      And why use Garrett for four pitches when you have the lead and have a double header the next day. Can no longer support Bell.

      • Pete

        Great point, this is a killer. Is AG merely a loogy?

      • greenmtred

        Probably so that Garrett is available the next day. As for Williams: the Reds are better now than they were before he took over. They just aren’t very good.

  11. Steve Schoenbaechler

    If “Iffy” sees the light of day again, it should be when we are either winning or losing by 10 runs.

  12. Th other JB

    News Flash No one has any confidence in Iggy getting the job done , especially Iggy News Flash expect for Bell , what is our manager thinking. I actually thought Bell was making some progress . The time has come to use Iggy in some other roles .

  13. Curt

    The most amazing thing about Nick Senzel’s wall crashing catch in game 2 was that he didn’t follow Cleveland’s Tyler Naquin on to the IL for the rest of this season and perhaps a significant chunk of the next. Upon further video review, I’d say it could have gone either way, 50/50 he gets up and shakes it off. Nick plays all out and kudos to that, but sometimes watching him play in his new position, I can’t help but think it’s not “if” but “when” for Senzel. Really need this young man to stay healthy and develop into the hitting machine we’re all hoping he can be. Great catch but dodged a bullet there.

    • D Ray White

      Needs to be playing second base. Too much talent and vertigo issues to chance wall encounters.

      And Iglesias needs to pitch in the 6th-7th until he can remember how to pitch effectively later in the game. He’s a dumpster fire right now.

  14. B-town fan

    Raisel is flat out not doing his job, almost all of the hits he was giving up tonight are belt high out over the plate, it’s one thing if they are pitchers pitches but they aren’t. Hard to tell whats going on overall with him, we are only fans looking in from the outside, but at what point does this cross the line of trying to get him going and this isn’t working out, it’s got to be getting close, if not already there. The FO has got to be starting to feel burned, they showed a lot of confidence in him in the off season, and like others here have pointed out, it’s not fair to the other players.

  15. Mason Red

    Double trouble for the Reds. They are close to being in a free fall. The TB trade was a bust,the bullpen is a mess,the offense is inconsistent and the manager is overwhelmed. Just more of the same for a struggling franchise.

    • jazzmanbbfan

      At this point about the only good thing coming from the TB trade is that we got to see Aquino do his thing and at least create a little buzz.

  16. Peter Onte

    “Raisel Iglesias now holds the Reds record for most losses in a season, breaking the mark previously held by JJ Hoover.”

    Most losses BY A RELIEVER in a season?

  17. Spaceman Red

    I watched both games back to back from my humble home in Central Asia. A few thoughts:

    I have serious doubts about Josh Van Meter’s ability as a regular left fielder. He has made egregious errors in the field on several occasions during this most recent road trip. He just does not seem to become more comfortable out there and even the most routine plays are adventures. The outfield defense as a whole is pretty poor with Ervin and Aquino also failing to impress. This a major offseason issue for me.

    Can someone please tell me what the Indians saw in Trevor Bauer that the Reds did not because performance metrics suggest they have unloaded a stinking pile of, let’s say “shoe” on us where results are concerned. Bauer is shelled routinely and seems bewildered. At least the radio crews on WLW have stopped talking about how well he prepares and knows his stuff.

    The second game of this doubleheader could have been one of the greatest wins of the season and is, instead, one of the worst losses. Additional question: why do the Reds cut bait on David Hernandez and Jared Hughes while continuing to send Raisal Iglesias out on a regular basis? He is nowhere close to competent and we cannot continue sacrificing victories for the sake of his fragile ego. So so so frustrating. Gray guts it out and Senzel is slamming into walls to save runs and this… (ahem) guy… is out there in the ninth when everyone with a pulse knows it’s a death sentence for this team in the game. He cannot be allowed to pitch anymore. Release him, if no one will do a waiver deal.

    I do not even ask for wins. All I want are rational decisions from management and for players who compete and show promise to have opportunities. I think many in Red Nation can abide by that standard. What can’t the management?

    (Seats self. Rant completed.)

    • jazzmanbbfan

      Agree on Van Meter in LF. It’s not his position and unfortunately for him, the Reds won’t play him at 2B, his best position.

    • RojoBenjy

      Van Meter is an infielder. The manager thinks he’s managing a travel ball team and plays player all over.

      Raisel makes too much money. That is the plain and simple reason why he’s still with the team and getting into games he doesn’t deserve to pitch in.

      • RedsMonk65

        Yes, for the life of me, I can’t figure that out, either. He belongs at 2B, not in the outfield. Reds refuse to play him there. If Winker were healthy, JVM likely wouldn’t be on the field at all. He seems to be viewed as a utility player, and I don’t understand that. JVM at 2B, Galvis/JIggy at SS. No-brainer, seems to me.

    • Kelly

      Post of the day! 100 points! Totally agree with every sentence, word and punctuation mark.

    • CFD3000

      Agree on all fronts. JVM is the 2nd basemen of the future. I just hope Bell and the FO figure that out or it could be a huge waste of talent. And Raisel needs a change of scenery. With 5 games in 50 hours, if closer rules don’t always apply, surely it’s now. To burn Garrett for 4 pitches, then pull Lorenzen after one strong inning to bring in a struggling closer makes NO sense. This loss is on David Bell.

  18. matthew hendley

    A good outing by Sonny Gray. If nothing else he continues to set him self up for Cy Young Votes

  19. M

    A championship club has championship players, coaches, front office, and a manager who puts winning above everything. We are lacking in all the above. DB operates on autopilot. He seems to worry more about hurting player feelings than winning. Votto, RI, etc. Imo we need a seasoned manager. One that has delivered in the past. One that has proven to be a winner. One that the total organization knows the manager can lead and deliver. It may be a long wait.

    • RojoBenjy

      A few games ago, on the radio, Cowboy was talking about his favorite manager in response to “Ask Cowboy” segment. He mentioned Dave Johnson, and specifically said it was because Johnson expected the same high level of performance from every player, regardless of salary, notoriety, etc. If you performed well, you played. If you stunk, you lost playing time.

      Stark contrast between that and what the current Reds’ skipper seems to be doing.

  20. TR

    Something should be done about the manager, but I doubt it will be because of David Bell’s Red’s connections. He doesn’t have it in regard to relief pitching management and lineup construction. Bell seems to be a front office type baseball guy. Without upsetting the applecart too much, Freddie Benavides should take over as manager in 2020. He’s an experienced baseball guy and seemed to have a steady hand on the job when Bell was suspended after the Pirate brawl. The Reds are ending an interesting season as an unsteady ship.

    • M

      I like Freddie but he also does not have proof he could deliver.

      • TR

        That’s true, but Sparky Anderson didn’t have proof he could deliver either when he succeeded Dave Bristol.

      • Pete

        One huge difference, Bob Howsam picked Sparky. Without Howsam no Big Red Machine. You would be smart to give up your best couple of players to get a truly great GM.

        The Reds tried to see if prying another Cardinal GM would work, it didn’t. Still a good formula to look outside the organization for a fresh face with a talent for the job.

      • Jim Walker

        Freddie Benavides is the backup quarterback so to speak. Everybody loves them until they don’t.

    • Steven Ross

      Bell’s lineup construction is a head scratcher. I heard him say it doesn’t matter where you bat in the lineup. I nearly fell over. I don’t see it with this guy going forward. I’m hoping Management feels that way too. We made a mistake. Finally, a Manager with their set closer is one of life’s biggest mysteries. What Bell should say is: you had your chance Raisel but now we’re moving in a new direction. We’re all tied in knots over this guy blowing it, imagine how the players feel!

    • Jim Walker

      Bell seems to be a front office type baseball guy.

      This thought has crossed my mind too. Picking the right guys for a successful team is a different skillset than leading them on a day in day out basis.

      However I’m willing to say the jury is still out on whether Bell will be a good field manager because he inherited a situation where the clubhouse culture needed to be revamped. They are clearly in the process of purging the roster. Let’s see what emerges on the other side first.

      • Pete

        Jim, the older I get the less patience I have for bad management. With age you find out if a guy is a lemon as GM it has long-lasting negative effects on the whole organization for years. Every position of importance emanates from there: managers, coaches, players, player development, scouting, etc..

        If the Reds let David Bell go at the end of the season, it will probably be a good thing but would it solve the problem? Not if Williams & Co. are the wrong people at the top. Deck chairs on the Titanic.

        I like what I see of the Dick Williams era so far but I’m laser focused on the farm system and player development. He was handed a really bad hand and a few positive corrections appear to have already been made: Aquino, VanMeter and Lodolo. Also, I am watching closely how the Williams/Bell interaction works out and if it becomes more apparent Bell is not the right guy, how fast will the FO move to replace him.

      • RojoBenjy

        Candidates for purging the roster (ie changing the culture):

        Raisel Iglesias
        Suarez (should get a lot for him, especially after this 40+ HR season)
        Probably Ervin (though it pains me personally)

        Votto also, but that is pretty much a never event.

      • M

        Hopefully, while in St. Louis, the Reds will look around and see what a winning culture is all about.

  21. Hotto4Votto

    ABC…always be trading closers. I’ve been a proponent of an Iglesias trade happening during the past few seasons. At one point we could have netted a very valuable prospect. Now…probably not much at all. Such has been the Reds M.O. during this rebuild, holding onto guys until they have no value.

    • RojoBenjy

      Two years ago was the time.

      It’s useless now. Reds would just get fleeced (again).

      • Hotto4Votto

        Really any time during the past two years even through this offseason the Reds should have brought back a valuable addition. Now they’d be lucky to match what they got for Chapman (nothing). Chapman still had value as a pitcher, he was just a PR dilemma the Reds couldn’t stomach (although why at the same time they were ok with Alfredo Simon I can’t fathom). Can’t get fleeced though if what you’re giving up has no value. So there’s that.

  22. Klugo

    Oh no. Lol. Riggy just got bundled in the same sentence as JJ Hoover. How the mighty have fallen. Shut him down. Putting him on the IL right now, whether he’s injured or not,may be the best thing not only for the current Reds but the future Reds and his career.

    • Matt WI

      It does hurt to see those names together, doesn’t it?

  23. Jim Walker

    Does anyone else recall Bob Trumpy’s tagline that in sports fandom “The opposite of love isn’t hate. It’s indifference”? I’m just about there for what seems like the umpteenth consecutive year with the Reds.

    FWIW or not, R.Igelsias must be fatigued or hurt or both. He is also owed a touch more than $18M through the 2021 season; so perish the thought he is spent beyond any recovery.

    Shutting him down for the year probably reduces his market value even more than his performance to date has but still may be the best way to go.

    • RojoBenjy

      Jim- are the responses today to yesterday’s crushers purely emotional, or are there now enough facts and data available that the criticisms of Bell have merit?

      I haven’t seen a Bell apologist on the site for over a month.


      • Jim Walker

        I said above I felt like the jury was still out on Bell as a field manager.

        The three pillars of the bullpen, Hernandez, Hughes and Iglesias collapsed. Is that Bell’s fault in any way? Usage pattern may played a part in the first two but not Iggy.

        Winker has been out quite a spell now with injury. He has a .887 OPS versus RH pitching which comprises north of 70% of all pitching. VanMeter has covered the on base part of OPS vs the RH pitching but not supplied the power Winker may have. Again that’s not Bell’s fault.

        However now is when Bell needs to show he can lead beyond reading a spreadsheet and following its indications.

      • RojoBenjy

        Thanks, I missed your comment above until after I posted.

        “now is when Bell needs to show he can lead beyond reading a spreadsheet and following its indications.”

        That is what has me worried. Hope he comes around.

      • greenmtred

        I’m not a Bell apologist, exactly, but this year is on-the-job-training for him, so it’s hard, in my view, to draw conclusions about what sort of manager he’d be going forward. The elephant in the room, as always, is the talent he has to work with. I don’t believe that a manager can take a bunch of mediocre players and make a contending team. A manager can take a bunch of good players and add a few wins to their total, maybe, with astute decisions and good clubhouse management. I’m sorry to say that, like Jim, I’m in free-fall to the bottom of the pit of indifference.

  24. Still a Red

    JVM error in the 7th was not that routine…a lefty sliced a drive right at him…he was turned inside and had turn outside at the last minute. Now a seasoned left fielder probably would have caught it…but it wasn’t an easy catch. The other one he dropped earlier (which game?) is a different story. Also, haven’t seen Ervin make a good throw to the plate in a while…not sure if Duvall could have got Edman…but the Reds OF arms aren’t so good. Really needed to plate a run or more in the top of the 9th. RI is snake bit, hard to watch. Not sure if RI can recover next year. I do think I would have left Lorenzen in in the 9th.

    • RojoBenjy

      “but the Reds OF arms aren’t so good”

      With the exception of Aquino. He has a hose.

      • Pete

        Rojo – precisely, a comment like this can kill your credibility. JVM is no Gold Glover but I don’t remember ever seeing him this bad or even near it. The day started off badly and snowballed on him. Even a very good outfielder like Willie Davis had a bad day…

        Josh doesn’t always take the greatest routes to balls but until this year Winker struggled with the same thing and occasionally still does. Regardless, VanMeter should be put at 2B for September to see if he can handle it. I’m good with Winker/Ervin in LF. Senzel has a decent arm and just keeps getting better in CF. AA has issues will balls hit in the corners and off the wall but as he learns the parks this should improve. He had zero work prior to the games yesterday due to the weather Friday and the tight game schedule. The outfield is not a problem with this team….at least for now.

        Reds can’t afford to go looking for problems where none exist. Too many real holes that need attention. Unfortunately, Closer is perhaps the primary one. RI looks like his confidence is shattered. His body language couldn’t be worse.

      • Still a Red

        I was defending JVM no degrading him. Nor am I looking for additional problems…just saying, in 2017 Reds OF has 37 assists. In 2018 they had 35 assists…Duvall and Hamilton making up the bulk of those (28 and 27 between them each of those years). This year is tricky since lots of players playing in lots of places…but OF have 19 assists (yes there is a month to go)…Wink 6, Puig 5, and Senzel 4, Ervin 2, Acquino 2. That seems about avg. so far for NL this year. Hoses are good, but you got to be accurate either to base or cut off. Not saying Acquino and others are not…I do think Ervin needs some work. And I’m not sure the league is quite as cautious of our OF as they were with Duvall and Hamilton out there. And no, I’m not suggesting we get those two back.


    Very frustrating to watch. I was thinking how difficult it is to take both ends of a doubleheader. Now I’m seriously wondering if we’ll win either game today.

    Iggy’s head must be a wreck right now. I have to think he and Bell just don’t click on any level.

    • Jim Walker

      Yes on Iglesias confidence, however, he was working in his preferred situation on a couple of days rest when he blew the save in Pittsburgh and again yesterday in game 2. I’m not sure how that involves conflict with Bell.

      • MARK MOORE

        I think that’s just one part of it and it adds to his mental approach challenges.