Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (60-67)
2 8 1
Pittsburgh Pirates (53-57)
3 9 0
W: Vazquez (4-1) L: Iglesias (2-9)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Statcast | Box Score | Game Thread

Things were going well for the Reds pitching until the 9th inning. The Pirates had four hits off of Raisel Iglesias and scored twice to walk things off.

The Offense

Aristides Aquino put the Reds ahead 1-0 with his 12th home run of the year, hitting a 402-foot homer in the 2nd inning. That’s where the game stayed until the 6th inning. The Reds wouldn’t score again until the top of the 8th. Freddy Galvis doubled with one out, and then Aristides Aquino doubled to bring him in to give the Reds a 2-1 lead.

Freddy Galvis would finish the night with two hits, going 2-4. Aristides Aquino would finish the night 3-4 and drive in the only two runs that the Reds had. Tucker Barnhart was the only other Red to reach base at least twice, going 1-2 with two walks.

The Pitching

Anthony DeSclafani put together a strong start. He didn’t give up a run until the 6th inning of the game, and it was the only run he allowed. When he left the game it was tied at 1-1 and he allowed just five hits and two walks over the span of his six innings pitched. He also struck out four batters.

Robert Stephenson came out and pitched a perfect seventh inning with the exception of having to work around an error by Eugenio Suarez. His inning also included a strikeout. Amir Garrett came out for the eighth, and he took tossed a perfect inning with a strikeout, and when he left the game the Reds were up 2-1.

Raisel Iglesias came out for the save in the 9th inning, but things just didn’t go his way. Colin Moran led off with a single to left field. Jose Osuna followed with a single to left field, too. Adam Frazier came up next and blooped a single into center field to tie the game up. After a sac bunt moved the runners up to second and third, Pablo Reyes drove a ball into deep left-center to end the game for a Pirates walk-off win.

Notes Worth Noting

Aristides Aquino! What more can you say? His 402-foot home run was his 12th of the season and he’s now the Major League record holder for most home runs in a players first 22 games played. He also holds the record for quickest to reach career home runs 8, 9, 10, and 11.

Players weekend began tonight, and the nicknames are awesome. But players weekend began tonight and the jerseys are absolutely awful looking. That said, the pictures out there of Aristides Aquino, who was using a red bat to go with those awful all white uniforms, probably look pretty good.

Raisel Iglesias now has nine losses. Win-loss record isn’t all that useful, but when the closer has nine losses, it’s painful.

Ronald Aunca reached 30/30 status tonight for the Braves. That led to the stat going around for the fewest games in a season in National League history for a player to reach 30/30 status. Way up at the top of the list is Eric Davis, who needed just 90 games in 1987 to do it.

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106 Responses

  1. matthew hendley

    Doug, in all fairness I believe the reds had very little say in the uniform design, and even some nicknames were censored (punisher). That is on MLB not the reds, unless I am wrong.
    Tucker did have a serviceable game again, I believe he has improved and will hold off calling for a new catcher til the end of the season

    • ToBeDetermined

      Punisher was censored? What group was offended by that?
      The group headed up by Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot ?

      • jazzmanbbfan

        Does Marvel have the rights to the name Punisher? Sometimes it doesn’t have to do with someone being offended.

      • matthew hendley

        Censored may not have been the right word. It was trademarked and I guess MLB did not want to pay for the rights for the name. Nothing to do with hurting peoples feelings, just hurting coorperations wallets

      • Daytonnati

        I like Paul Daugherty’s use of the Spanish translation of The Punisher, “El Castigador”. I wonder if that would have been acceptable.

  2. FreeHouse

    Pirates have been the Reds kryptonite this season. It’s painful to watch because the pirates suck but oh well. Suarez and Senzel have been looking pretty bad for the past 2 weeks, they just don’t look right at the plate.

    • Sliotar

      Iglesias has been problematic, but his role, either as a closer, or even a member of the Reds can change for 2020.

      $ can re-build bullpens. The Cubs have bullpen $ coming off books, will be re-doing theirs this winter.

      The real issue is the 2 runs scored.
      Offense, especially away, has been the issue all season.

      (From Baseball Reference)

      Cubs record when allowing 3, 4 or 5 runs in a game

      Reds record when allowing 3, 4 or 5 runs in a game

      8.5 games difference …. which is exactly how much the Reds trail the Cubs in the actual standings.

    • Doc

      I don’t understand changing Senzel’s hitting approach on the fly in mid season. Isn’t that what off season is for? Especially since what he was doing was working. Of course he should try to improve, but there are better times and worse times, but mid-season when you still have a shot at playoffs? Is Suarez making swing changes also in mid season? Sure looks like it from the results. Or did the FO declare the playoffs lost and implement moves designed to prepare for 2020 without concern for the rest of 2019?

      • Pete

        Since July 1, Nicks wRC+ is 71, his slugging .368. I don’t know if I’d describe this as “working”. Maybe the pitchers figured him out. No he made changes because he was struggling….

      • Pete

        It was reported in the Cincinnati Enquirer, 5 days ago, NS approached Ward and Ecker about changing his approach. No idea when the approach actually changed but I’ll go back and look at it, and let you know.

      • Pete

        Doc, looked at the video on My observations, Senzel made a change in his stance after the August 13th game. Next start on the 15th, he slightly closed his stance but still open. He went to holding the bat vertically at ~70-degree angle out in front of his body to holding it nearly horizontal with his hands nearly blacked from view behind his helmet.

        On the 17th he hit his first HR since the 10th. Using the same stance as the 13th: Standing almost perfectly erect with a very little knee bend and bat held hit, open stance. Almost identical to Tucker Barnhart but Nick’s feet a little farther apart. For me , I really like this because I believe this stance is optimal for driving the ball, see Yankees and Dodgers almost to a man. I like more than the current stance he started on the 15th.

        The day before, August 9th was the last time I could find Nick’s old stance, the one we saw from his first MLB AB: closed stance and bending deep at the knees, nearly 45-degrees. Prior to changing his stance on August 10th he had not hit a HR since June 21st. Since the change he’s hit 2 in two weeks. So I would suggest patience, the Reds are out of the post-season chase and he is developing his new approach under live fire. If he waits until Winter, he will be losing a lot of valuable time. I would definitely bat him no higher than 7th until he is hitting the ball well with regularity.

        Stance prior to August 10th, the original: Deep bend at the knees and closed stance.

        From August 10 to the 13th: Virtually standing erect, open stance, bat held at a vertical angle at ~70 degrees in front of body.

        From August 15th to the 23rd: Nearly identical to the 10th but bat held vertical behind his head with a slight knee bend. Not quite as open a stance.

      • Pete

        “Horizontal” behind his head from the 7th to last night. Not “vertically”.

  3. KDJ

    This one is on Bell. Garrett had an easy 8th; leave him in the game! Removing a pitcher who is effective and fresh to bring in one who has shown inconsistency is not playing for the win. It is playing to give one player the coveted (S) after his name. This must stop! RI is NOT Mariano Rivera. If it is done to appease his ego, then get rid of him. If it is the manager following a cookie cutter formula, then stop it.

    • Big Ed


      Moran was a lefty set to lead off in the 9th. At least let Garrett, who had thrown only 10 pitches, face Moran.

      But they have to score more than 2 runs. Senzel and Suarez are automatic outs right now.

      • Reaganspad

        Or why is Stephenson relegated to just one inning. He could have went into the 8th just like Lucas Sims can pitch 2 innings.

        And as you say, Garrett with 10 pitches.

        But hey, burn another reliever (getting hard to call Raisel a closer this year)

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        Part of that is what I do admire Baker for. It seemed like to me that Baker was good in keeping relievers in there for 2 innings as much as possible. He couldn’t always do it. But, when he could, it seemed like he did. Especially in close games, where it might go extra innings, taking relievers out so quick could cost you in later innings.

        Not unless Bell learns quickly, I don’t see Bell leading us to the promised land. I believe Bell can hang around as we get better. But, it will be like with Baker, I don’t believe we will ever get actually win a playoff series with Bell at the helm.

    • Ed

      (Saves) need to go away. Everyone should just get (Holds) when they don’t give up the lead. Why are the last three outs more important?

      • ToBeDetermined

        Personally, I have to disagree with this line of reasoning.
        The last 3 outs are more important. Because if you give up the lead at that point there is no chance to get em back the next inning.
        Additionally, there are a lot of guys that struggle when all the pressure is on to “close out” the game.

        The pressure to close out the game does not appear to be the problem with RI, rather execution has been the issue, this year. Now I do admit I didn’t see this game, so I don’t know if RI didn’t execute his pitches, or was just some bad luck, or just didn’t have it. Maybe someone else could comment on that. Or someone could disagree with my line of reasoning. That what discourse is all about.
        Thanks for letting me state my opinion.

      • Doc

        Jared Hughes, it is written, came in with a seven run lead and gave up four runs in 2/3 of an inning. He left with the lead. I don’t believe that should qualify as a hold, or any other stat with a potentially positive connotation.

      • daytonnati

        Then you would have “blown holds” 🙂

      • Jim Walker

        @TBD> I tend to agree with you. The fewer outs remaining to the team in field to make up for runs allowed, the more important each defensive out becomes for them. That’s not to say they are necessarily the hardest though.

        For example if the top of the opposition order is batting in the 8th that may be a more difficult inning to pitch than the 9th, assuming the guy pitching the 8th successfully navigates through the top of the order.

        Also as others have stated here, I dislike the idea of “automatically” pulling a pitcher who has breezed through the 7th or 8th just to move up food chain in the next inning. Leave him in unless there is something in the analytics which strongly indicate it is not the thing to do.

    • Still a Red

      Garrett was up 2nd in the top of the 9th. In a 2-1 game you gotta pinch=hit for him. That said, Peraza ph’d and SO…I suppose one could argue you could have let Garrett do that (but you gotta try).

      • Doc

        You don’t have to pinch hit. You have the lead. You only need to get three more outs to win the game. You have a LH batter leading off and a dominating LHP on the mound, or should have. If Garrett gets the first out, maybe it changes the outcome.

      • Jim Walker

        This might have been the perfect time to send Lorenzen to the plate

      • Shchi Cossack

        Or better yet, make a constructive double switch rather than a robotic, useless double switch (not even a technical double switch) by replacing Dietrich with Garrett and just keeping O’Grady in defensively to play 1B, when Garrett entered the game in the top of the 8th, so he doesn’t have to hit 2nd in the bottom of the 8th inning.

        Or another better alternative was bringing Lorenzen in to pitch the top of the 8th and leaving him in to hit in the bottom of the 8th inning.

        Almost any option was better than using Peraza as a pinch hitter with 2 outs and no one on base.

    • Steven Ross

      I agree plus AG had added incentive to close the deal. Let him start the 9th. He was nasty in the 8th. I’ve never understood the philosophy of “I gotta use my closer in the 9th” when AG was lights out in the 8th. The manager who recognizes that is the one I want and it isn’t Bell.

  4. B-town fan

    Just when you thought the Reds were gaining some momentum and maybe go on a little run here. Your closer goes and blows the game with the only out recorded a sacrifice bunt. He’s got to do better than that.

  5. RedAlert

    Ain’t winning squat as long as Bell is the manager of this team – moves everybody aroind in the lineup except Suarez- who has been horrible in the 3 hole in the
    second half – just horrible

  6. Jim Walker

    This was certainly a disheartening loss, no other way to look at it. Disco battled to avoid then limit damage. Stephenson overcame a lead off error; and, Garrett put up a strong inning. Then it all came to naught.

    As noted by others Senzel and Saurez are both scuffling big time. Particularly in the case of Saurez who was hit on the hand by a pitch last week, a person has to wonder if he is playing very hurt.

    • Roger Garrett

      You may be right Jim about Suarez and if so its all about the wins instead of whats best for the player and the team.Reds aren’t going anywhere this year and have lots of younger guys they need to see play or should want to see play.Suarez has I believe appeared in every game except one but I could be wrong about that.Could be its all about him and his chase to hit 40 homers.He didn’t even put a ball in play in the loss to the Pads,striking out 4 times,the last time with the bases loaded to end another 1 run loss.Senzel has never played this many games in a season and its his rookie year and is dinged up.My point is why are they even out there?Give them some time off and let them rest or heal and if when they get ready put them back in.Both will be here next year and they aren’t performing right now so set them.

      • Roger Garrett

        Didn’t even look at the box score before I posted.Suarez struck out all 4 times last night which gives him 2 games in the last 4 where he batted 9 times(1walk) and didn’t put a ball in play.As hot as AA is hitting behind him one would think Suarez would see some good pitches and may be he is but he isn’t connecting.Is it the 40 homer thing?Don’t like that if it is but I do like him so I will let it alone.He does need some time off regardless cause he ain’t helping.

      • The other JB

        I’m sure Suarez is banged up and wore down at this stage of the year , but his lack of a two strike approach is hard to watch , his swing is big, big and bigger. Put the ball in play and give the team a chance to win .The strikeouts are going to continue to add up until he remembers that he used to be really good at taking the outside pitch to center or right field . Nick Senzel does look gassed and watching him throw the ball it looks like he’s having issues with his throwing arm, give these guys some time off .

  7. Jim Walker

    Count me among those wondering how some reference to being a punisher of the opposition in a competitive sporting match is not OK for the uniform name on players’ weekend.

    Am I missing something in current culture due to my age?

    How can it be OK for AA to openly be called The Punisher all year at AAA in official team media tweets and literature but not OK at the MLB level.

    • I-71_Exile

      The Punisher is a character name owned by Marvel Comics and thus trademarked. I suspect that’s the reason. It’s not the content of the name.

      • ToBeDetermined

        The Punisher is trademarked ?
        Is the “Millionaire” trademarked by Thurston Howell III ?
        That’s a reference for you Jim.

      • ToBeDetermined

        Censoring for the Trademark can sometimes get ridiculous.
        I vaguely remember an episode of The Simpsons where Homer’s dad and Mr Burns were in competition in trying to woo the same lady. And Homer’s dad would do something and then a bunch of lawyers would show up representing “if i recall it was the estate of Buster Keaton” and they would stop him from continuing doing what he was doing as it was copyrighted.
        They were no fun.

    • Still a Red

      To be knicknamed the Punisher is different than putting it on your uniform in the MLB. There are big bucks associated with that…both from Marvel’s POV and from MLB’s POV (you don’t think MLB could sell a lot of Red’s Punisher jerseys with number 44 on it). I think the whole Players Week thing is silly…and how much are we paying for these different uniforms and cleats that get worn a few times, get a little dirty, then get sold back to us.

      • Jim Walker

        This alternate jersey thing is out of control IMO.

        I am watching Premier League right now. Arsenal is dressed in colors matching that college football team up north. For those not familiar, the Arsenal team colors are red and white. Yes they are the road team facing the PL Liverpool “Reds”; but dark blue and gold?

      • greenmtred

        Not that I have any say in the matter, but it seems obvious that all individual , not made-up words should be in the public domain.

  8. Great Redlegs Fan

    Twice they had the chance for rallies that came short and then the 9th inning colapse. Cannot blame manager for closer’s poor performance, but I think it’d be wise to start thinking in another option for next season. The offensive continues decaying, Senzel is not providing and Suarez looks tired.

  9. CI3J

    That was a pretty sickening loss to be sure, but you can’t blame Bell. He did everything right and had his team set to win in the 9th. When his closer fails to do his job, that’s on the player, not the manager.

  10. Ed

    After a few really rough starts from Garrett, I would posit his scoreless inning was a product of luck. He generated some big fly balls and verged on running up the count. 10 pitches to 3 guys but no strike outs. Garrett hasn’t been shaky for a month or so now, as much as I love him.

  11. CI3J

    Here’s an interesting tidbit I looked up:

    Bullpens all around baseball are getting absolutely slaughtered this year. There has been a gradual, almost linear increase in bullpen ERA for the last 5 years, but it has jumped a significant amount this season. To wit:


    2014 – 3.63
    2015 – 3.71
    2016 – 3.93
    2017 – 4.15
    2018 – 4.08
    2019 – 4.52

    I really have no idea what has happened to bullpens. 5 years ago, it was common for the best bullpens to have sub-3.50 ERA, and the very best had sub-3.00 ERAs. Now, only one bullpen in all of baseball has a sub 3.50 (Cleveland, at 3.43) and, paradoxically, the AL is actually performing better than the NL in this regard (4.46 ERA for the AL, 4.60 ERA for the NL).. The Reds are actually slightly better than the MLB average 4.39, and much better than the NL average.

    All this is to say, it’s not just the Reds who have a bullpen that’s getting killed. There hasn’t been this kind of pitching bloodshed since the tail end of the Steroid Era 15-20 years ago. I’m really curious what is causing it.

    • ToBeDetermined

      Great observation !!!

      Now we need Wesley to ask “Why”

    • Jeff Gangloff

      Bullpens are being used now more than ever.

    • Jack

      Same thing that is happening to starting pitching I imagine…home runs are cheap and easy

  12. Indy Red Man

    That was ugly. Between the uniforms and Tucker batting 5th….couldn’t watch it. Suarez needs a few days off. I don’t know why DD is so bad? I think the 3 hr game and wanting to be in HR derby really messed him up. He has a .840 career road ops….something like that.

    Look at an elite offense like the Nats. They have their professional table setters. The consistent mashers in Rendon and Soto. Solid role players like Matt Adams and Suzuki. A solid consistent lineup that just wears pitchers down. The Reds are just miles away from that. Suarez is way too streaky. When he came up he hit .280 and hit the ball to right all the time. Senzel is young, but has to get alot better. JVM looks like a rock solid leadoff man with atleast some power. He’s got the right approach atleast. Overall though? Who knows? I like the Nats chances against anyone if Scherzer & Strasburg are right, but if they choke then maybe they blow things up? Rendon to 3B and Suarez to LF or something? Turner at SS? The Reds have some fantastics arms for a change. It would be a shame to waste them.

    • JB

      Like I said Suarez and a prospect? For Lindor. Senzel at 3rd , Lindor at Short.

    • DX

      You are right. Right now, the Reds don’t have a lot of guys that look like they can hit 1 through 3. Suarez and Aquino could be the 4,5 next year. The 1B, 2B, SS, CF, and C all look like they should hit 6 through 8. VanMeter looks like he might be able to hit higher in the order. Senzel has been a big time disappointment. Last night one of the tv announcers said Senzel is in the process of changing his swing to get more of a launch angle which he needs to do. I believe Senzel has all the tools to hit 1 – 3 next year. It would be nice to land a Donaldson type player. Suarez could move to 2B.

    • greenmtred

      I noticed the same thing about the Nationals offense, Indy. DD has fallen off the cliff. He needs to start getting HBP again or all hope is lost.

  13. Don

    It would take Suarez and 2 or 3 other players for Lindor. Lindor is a 6+ per year WAR and Suarez may get to 3.

    No clue why Cleveland would trade
    Lindor uness Cleveland is going to do a salary dump. Lindor is going nowhere. They traded Bauer to have cash to pay Lindor.

    Reds hitting has been everyone swing for fences every swing almost the entire year by every player and they do not have players which fit that type.

    This all gets back to poor coaching and managing of the offense and hitting. Wrong hitting theory for players on Reds roster.

  14. TR

    I’d like to see a new hitting coach in 2020. This season’s offense has featured too much swinging for the fences instead of meeting the ball and making contact. The coach in the minors who helped Aquino could be a good candidate.

    • ToBeDetermined

      I was kind of thinking similarly in that I was wondering if Turner Ward was on the hot seat.
      But, Apparently a number of players have been tweaking their swings and approaches to this year. And they have given a big shout out to the new hitting coaches and how much they have learned this year.
      So I don’t think we’ll be seeing a new hitting coach for a while.
      However, as guys embrace the new hitting styles we may see positive results in the future.
      (for reference I think I read this over on If someone else knows what I’m referencing maybe they could post a link. thanks

      • Mason Red

        A different hitting coach wouldn’t have mattered with this team. Of course all young players struggle but Reds players…regardless if they are position players or pitchers…seem to struggle more than most teams even with the very basics of hitting,pitching,base running,defense,ect. The problem may lie with Reds coaches in the minors instead of the majors.


    Just plain ugly. Guys are looking completely gassed at this point. And we helped Hurdle keep his job. All bad things.

    • ToBeDetermined

      Helping Hurdle.
      That is the most unkindness cut.
      Which I just found out is a reference to Brutus and Julius Caesar .

      • MARK MOORE

        Ain’t that the truth. Thought we were putting nails in his coffin. Instead we bend them annd yank them out.

  16. Hot Chili

    The offense wasted 3 chances to rally. Typically poor situational hitting this season even if they score 32 runs tomorrow.

    All hits against Iglesias were with 2 strikes. The trend continues and I wonder about the pitch calling. It’s so common that when our pitchers are 0-2 I’m nervous.


      Some cheapish hits, but that doesn’t matter in the end. We let them get in a position to beat us.

  17. HoosierRed

    Jared Hughes gave up 4 runs in 2/3 of an inning tonight as the Phillies blew a 7-run lead and lost by 8. Yes you read that right.

  18. CFD3000

    Several observations, most of them negative:
    Bell – he does seem to replace relievers until he finds the one who has an off night. Maddening. And the observation that letting Stephenson and/or Garrett go two not only keeps in the effective pitcher, but keeps more of the one rested for extra innings or tomorrow night is spot on. This loss is partly on Bell.
    Dietrich / Senzel / O’Grady – Really? Not one ball in play with a runner on third and no one out? All three should be better than that.
    Suarez – the man needs a rest. Last 5 games .150 with one HR, and striking out at a .600 clip. Not a typo.
    Senzel – also needs a rest. He’s going to be an all star level player but he looks tired at the plate right now.
    Suarez – two hands on that pop up young man. Can’t give the opposition an extra out and an extra base runner. But…
    Stephenson – if the Reds had won, he should have earned the save. Pitching around a leadoff two base error in a tight game was impressive. I don’t know if he’s part of the 2020 Reds or part of a trade package but he was impressive last night.
    Aquino – still great fun. Next jersey night everyone can wear 44 on the plane.
    Reds – time to step up as with the Padres and take 2 of 3 then roll through Miami. Go Reds!

    • Indy Red Man

      Take one bad game vs the Cards away and Stephenson has a 3.40 era. 51ip with only 35 hits and a 68/21 K to walk ratio. I’d keep rolling him out there in high leverage. I’d consider giving him for the rotation next year too. Bell doesn’t seem to know what he has. All they need is one solid lefty to back up Garrett! They’ve got everything else they need to have a top pitching staff.

      • Doc

        They need eight position players and 17 bullpen arms the way Bell uses them.

      • greenmtred

        They’re treating Stephenson like a guy who needs his confidence carefully rebuilt. He has usually looked good, so maybe–if that’s what they’re doing–it’s working.

  19. James

    In reference to Ed’s earlier comment about saves/holds. This to me would be a better way to value the stats: regardless of inning. Enter at start of inning or leave in middle of inning with the lead=hold. Enter with tying run on base and finish inning=save.

  20. Doc

    Stephenson’s inning was not perfect, through no fault of his own. Suarez’ error put a runner on base, but BobSteve was perfect in overcoming the error.

    • Doug Gray


      I missed that inning while taking my dog outside. He decided he wanted to literally walk around the entire block before “doing his business”. He’s a good boy, but sometimes he doesn’t want to work on my schedule lol. I just looked at the box score for his inning and saw no hits, no walks, no hit batters. Didn’t even pay attention to the error. Thanks Doc. I’ll go correct it, even though at nearly 20 hours later, it probably doesn’t matter to anyone but me to correct it.

      • RedsMonk65

        LOL. Hey, dogs have lives, too. They’re not all about “doing their business.” They have things to check out, places to go, scents to explore, other canines and critters to check up on.

        Anyway, escorting the pooch during his social time has to be more fulfilling than witnessing Saurez flub a sure out. Your time was better spent.

      • Doug Gray

        And it was a GREAT night, weather wise, too. It felt great. And my little guy certainly felt the need to explore ALL OF THE SCENTS. I’m just glad we still get to go out on our little adventures around the neighborhood. We had a big scare a few weeks ago.

      • greenmtred

        I’ve had similar problems with various dogs, Doug. One tip: When it’s below zero, they are much quicker.

  21. Still a Red

    Senzel is tweaking his swing….FOR WHAT!….he was doing just fine. Votto out, Winker out, Senzel tweaking, Suarez slumping…thank goodness for Juan Inglesias, Galvis, and Aquino.

    • Pete

      Still: they started working with Senzel after he was already slumping. Nick wants to get more power out of his PA’s and he needs to. Give it some time and hope he’s working with Ecker and not Ward. Apparently, Winker is doing the same and I’m all for it. Reds need to acquire power hitters or develop them.

    • Don

      Senzel is a worker whom wants to be considered a great baseball player. He knows he can only live for so long on the former 1st rounder prospect.

      HE also know that players have to have a 32x or high BA, 39x or higher OBP a 1.x as the OPS and a 3 or 4 as the first digit of their HR total and a 8+ WAR to be considered great.

      See Trout, Bellineger, Yelich. These are the CFs he wants and thinks he should be. His talent and work ethic and draft position all say that is what he needs to be to be a successful 2nd overall draft pick.

      He sees Winker in Year 2 of MLB career being targeted with a platoon player tag with limits a players chances to be great.

      Senzel knows if he is hitting like he is now this time in 2020 he will be a platoon player only against left handed pitchers. He wants to be feared by the opposing team whenever he comes to the plate.

      He is not satisfied with where he is at hitting and is working to be better. This should be applauded and cheered by fans.

      • Still a Red

        I applaud his to be better yet…but to do it right when the Reds were still in the mix seems counterproductive. Of course, now, as the years slips away…go ahead and tweak.

  22. Pete

    To add a little dose of reality, xFIP second half:

    Gausman: 1.78
    Iglesias: 2.78
    Stephenson: 4.12
    Sims: 4.37
    Garrett: 4.61
    Kuhnel: 4.88
    Lorenzen: 5.12

    IMO this paints a pretty clear picture. Last night hurt but RI is going to have an occasional game like this.

    In order – hit balls in the Pirate 9th, EV:

    So, three softies fall in ahead of the one that was hit hard. The meaning of “hit ’em where they ain’t”.

    • da bear

      And even the last ball that was hit hard 96.5EV was a good pitch, located at the bottom of the zone moving away from the batter, the kid did well to anticipate the type and location of the pitch. Frazier tied the game on a cheap bat breaking pitch, to his credit he got contact on the ball.

      Hopefully the Reds aren’t tipping their pitches, either the catcher or RI. A bad luck day for R.Iglesias/good Pirate hitting.

    • Jim Walker

      Saw a comment above about several 2 strike hits and wondering about the pitch calls. I’ve consideredj the same. Too many of these cheapies over the last couple of weeks have been balls blocked or served to open areas on pitcher favorable counts not to wonder if other teams aren’t dialed in on the Reds pitch calling tendencies.

  23. Shchi Cossack

    O’Grady was promoted for 8 days and made and had no PA before being optioned back to AAA, 8 days with no game action. The Reds promoted O’Grady again 5 days later and he made 5 PH appearances in consecutive games (1-5 w/ 1-SO). Then he sat for nearly a week before getting any game action when he appeared in 5 consecutive games with 4 PH appearances and 3 PA in one game (0-7 w/ 3-SO). He has played 10 games with a total of 12 PA. He has 1 hit & 4 SO, all in PH appearances. Thru O’Grady’s 1st 10 MLB games (12 PA):

    During VanMeter’s 1st 5 games after being promoted, he had 2 PH appearances and 3 games with 2 PA, 5 PA & 4 PA. Thru VanMeters 1st 5 MLB games (13 PA):

    The entire point of giving rookies playing time is to determine if they can hit at the MLB level. Every rookie promoted to MLB came from an environment where they started nearly every game, getting consistent PA and playing time. Throwing them into a utility role with sporadic PA and playing time proves nothing, especially in a small sample of 12 PA. If the Reds had thrown in the towel on VanMeter that quickly, he would not be hitting .295/.380/.453/.833 now and the reds would have missed another opportunity. Dismissing O’Grady because he isn’t slashing .333/.385/.583/.968 after his 1st 13 PA like Aquino (who happened to start 4 of his 1st 5 games with only 1 PH appearance) is absurd.

    I certainly don’t know if O’Grady can succeed at the MLB level, but I do know the only way to effectively evaluate his capability is thru consistent PA and playing time. O’Grady’s 9 PH PA and 12 PA thru 10 games fails to provide an effective evaluation. This season has become a lost cause regarding post season aspirations, but this has certainly been an interesting and entertaining season. Interesting and entertaining represents a huge improvement from the past 4 seasons, but interesting and entertaining will not suffice in 2020. In order to compete in 2020, the Reds must utilize the available opportunity to fully evaluate their existing young talent so they can make intelligent and informed decision during the off season. The Reds simply can’t afford to miss on any of their decisions during this off season. They know what J. Iglesias, Peraza, Galvis, Suarez and Votto can do and what to expect from those players. Suarez and Senzel need some R & R. If the Reds have not decided what to do about the SS position in 2020, they are fools. If the Reds intend to sacrifice playing time for Winker, JVM, Aquino, Ervin & O’Grady by playing veterans with known, established performance expectations, they are fools.

    • Shchi Cossack

      Well Senzel sit for a much needed rest, but…
      1. Josh VanMeter (L) LF
      2. Freddy Galvis (S) 2B
      3. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
      4. Aristides Aquino (R) RF
      5. Tucker Barnhart (S) C
      6. Jose Iglesias (R) SS
      7. Derek Dietrich (L) 1B
      8. Phillip Ervin (R) CF
      9. Alex Wood (R) P

      • matthew hendley

        Yep, guess they didn’t want to sit them both on the same game. My bet is Suarez sits tommorow

      • RedsMonk65

        Someone else needs to try batting third, with Suarez moving down to 5th, perhaps. Maybe Winker/Ervin (when the former is healthy)? Something needs to shake this team out of its offensive (pun intended) doldrums.

      • Jim Walker

        Curious we get PE in CF when there have been times when both he and Winker were playing; and, they put Winker in CF instead of PE.

        In regard to your previous comments about O’Grady, he has played some CF, right? How about a start for him there tonight?!?

      • Shchi Cossack

        @Jim Walker,

        Yes, O’Grady has started 124 games in CF, 111 games in LF, 35 games in RF and 129 games at 1B (along with a few at 3B). With Senzel and Suarez both dragging themselves thru the dog days or injured and Votto out on the IL, 3B, CF & 1B seem like perfect opportunities to start O’Grady every day, but Bell simply ignores the opportunities.

      • RedsMonk65

        Yes, I agree. That would be a good option. Alas, they sent O’Grady back to Louisville today and called up Casali.

    • RedsMonk65


      Absolutely — not to mention that PH is one of the most difficult tasks for any hitter, let alone a rookie.

    • Pete

      O’Grady has been sent back to Louisville, Casali called up.

      • RedsMonk65

        Oop, on the case, I see!

        (Wish they’d have given O’Grady more of a chance.)

      • Shchi Cossack

        Completely wrong message. With rosters expanding in just a few days, the move doesn’t make a lot of difference, but it does represent another week of lost opportunities going into the off season and it sends the message that only veterans matter to Bell and the FO. Someone had to go down. Peraza and Farmer have option and no option would be burned by sending them down for a week. Senzel is really struggling and he may have actually benefitted from a short time in AAA to recover and work on his hitting mechanics without the pressure of starting in CF at the MLB level. I’m not sure if one of his options was already burned when he was on the minor league IL or if the 20-day rule for burning an option is per each time or total cumulative time, but I don’t think options are a concern regarding Senzel.

        Meanwhile, Bell continues to start Dietrich over any of the young guns, despite his .136/.321/.262 slash and 64 wRC+ with just 2 HR since May 31st. That performance is dwarfed by even Peraza’s .279/.311/.377 slash and 76 wRC+ during that time.

      • Don

        DD should have been DFA and assigned to Lousiville if noone picked him on waviers and O’Grady kept on the roster and started tonight. Either he or JVM at 1st and the other in the OF.
        No reason for DD to be in the lineup. He had a great 8 weeks and has lost it. There are reasons why he was a FA in February and only could get a minor league contract from a team that was expected to loose 85 games.

      • Roger Garrett

        Of course we need to see what Casali can do in his one or two starts a week over letting O Grady play every day for a week or two.Just totally insane.Who in the world is driving the bus?It can’t be anybody that has a pulse on what needs to be done the rest of this season.I don’t think Casali is even under contract for next year but regardless if he is here or not we know about Curt.

      • Jim Walker

        Senzel was not on the 40 man roster until he was brought up in May. He has a full complement of 3 options remaining.

        Only 1 option can be burned in a given season, regardless of how many times a guy is up and down during the year. If his total minor league time on option is less than 20 days during a season, an option is not burned for that season.

        Senzel could go down to AAA for the remaining week plus of the AAA season and be recalled anytime after the minimum 10 days and not burn an option this season.

    • Roger Garrett

      Your last sentence is exactly what they are doing.As stated these young guys played every day and have no clue how to perform coming off the bench in a late game at bat with the game on the line.Its absurd to even put them in that position.While they have done some things I like this year its not complete until they play these young guys the rest of the year because they should be looking to 2020.The Reds just seem to never ever get it right.They tease their fans and are just awful dealing with young players in fear of I guess of looking as if they have given up on the season.Most fans after all these years don’t go to GABP to see Votto nor Suarez,they go to see AA and Castillo and now JVM and Senzel play.It doesn’t matter to the true fan if they win 75 or 78 but until it doesn’t matter to the folks calling the shots we are just going to see what we are seeing.

    • Curt

      Wonderfully laid out @Shchi Cossack. Funny though, I tried to make this same point in yesterday’s game thread albeit less eloquently without all the numbers and was quickly challenged, nay, given a hard time by (a) certain commentors. “O’Grady’s had 1 hit!! 1 hit!! …”i’d be glad to see him sent down” “some guys are just AAAA players” etc. Interesting that no such debate/confrontation has greeted you and your analysis. Wonder why not? Am I that bad at making a point or is it something else? (Scratching head).
      I look forward to your comments.

      • matthew hendley

        funny since all three comments came from me. If you have something to say then say it. Ogrady had his chances. He didn’t produce. Aquino had his chances, he produced. The Reds need to produce. If that is internal from Aquino so be it, I am not waiting three years for some ‘potential’ to finally realize itself.
        I am sorry your standards are so low.

      • Pete

        Matthew, DD is absolutely horrific right now, it wouldn’t hurt for BO to get starts while Votto is out – he didn’t get an opportunity – DD has no excuse.

      • matthew hendley

        False…as all have seen now DD was playing injured. Never good but I can, from my line of work, sympathize with individuals trying to play through injury. he has had 6 PA since he has returned and produces 1 walk. While there is no definition of small sample size I am sure 6 AB is under it. We need to see if he has gotten it back. Ogrady was an Auto out. It isn’t spring training. its late August, if you cant show up you don’t stay. Ogrady will have a shot next year.

      • Pete

        Come on Matthew we are all friends here so let’s not talk falsely. DD stats since June 1st:

        137/323/265, wRC+ = 65

        It’s worse than Peraza, he has stunk up the joint since May, let’s not kid ourselves. I’d DFA him tomorrow morning and bring back O’Grady.

      • matthew hendley

        A player has the ability to block an IL stint if he is not actually injued, therefore DD was injured. I understand the mentality of not wanting to go on the IL but he was injured and that is that, therefore I am only accepting his stats after the injury. simple as that. All deserve a look.

      • Curt

        “If you have something to say then say it.”

        I did.

        “I am sorry your standards are so low.”

        Don’t be. They’re not.