Final R H E
San Diego Padres (59-65)
3 5 0
Cincinnati Reds (58-66)
2 8 1
W: Perdomo (2-3, 3.52 ERA) L: Bauer (10-10, 4.06 ERA) SV: Yates (36)
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A depleted Cincinnati Reds side struck their way out of a 3-1 loss at the hands of the San Diego Padres. The visiting Friars combined to strikeout 13 Redlegs while sending them to their seventh loss in the last 10 games.

Trevor Bauer was much better than the last time I wrote a recap for one of his starts. He tossed seven innings with 11 strikeouts. He did allow two earned runs and one un-earned run (thanks to an error by Jose Peraza in left field). Bauer had all of his pitches working as he routinely got swings and misses. He even had a little fun with Manny Machado after one of those strikeouts, giving me one of my new favorite GIFs:

He was half of a dominant pitching performance for the Reds. Lucas Sims came in and pitched a perfect final two frames with three strikeouts.

Unfortunately, the lineup provided little bite. They tried to put together a late comeback after scoring one and loading the bases. Eugenio Suarez found himself in a deja vu moment, though, as he struck out with the game-tying run on base in the bottom of the ninth.

There are only two games in which the Reds struck out more than Monday night. On May 3rd against the Giants and on June 2nd against the Nationals the Reds struck out 16 times.

The bottom of the Reds lineup did their best to carry the team on. Jose Peraza, Freddy Galvis, and Tucker Barnhart all notched a pair of hits. Galvis scored both Reds runs. His first came of his own making.

On top of his night at the plate, Tucker had this play with his arm. Just file this is that overflowing folder of “reasons why Tucker Barnhart’s glove is made of gold.”

Probably the biggest news of the game was the late scratch of Nick Senzel. When asked after the game, David Bell mentioned an IL stint has not been ruled out. Senzel was plunked on the left arm in the finale against the Cardinals. He did pinch-hit in the bottom of the ninth, but grounded into a fielder choice. Should an IL stint be necessary, he will join Joey Votto on the shelf, with Jesse Winker possibly following close behind. Winker was also held out Monday, leaving everyone to speculate as to the seriousness of his condition.

With the above guys out, the top of the lineup struggled. Phillip Ervin, Jose Iglesias, and Suarez combined to go 1-for-11. To add to his not-so-good night, Suarez earned a golden sombrero.

The Reds will trot Sonny Gray out to the mound tomorrow. They need to start making hay in this 10-game stretch against sub-.500 teams. If they have any designs on finishing 2019 with something other than a losing record, they need to win at least seven of their next nine. Cal Quantrill is slated to start for San Diego.

58 Responses

  1. Jim Walker

    Bell said Winker was not available to hit in the 9th, Is it time to hold our breath in hopes that “upper back tightness” doesn’t morph into shoulder issue? I hope not.

  2. CFD3000

    Winker has now been out as long as Votto. Why not admit that he’s hurt, move him to the IL and get back to at least a 24 man roster (can’t be 25 until Garrett gets back from his suspension)? Disappointing game tonight. Peraza with two hits, but a critical dropped ball that was eventually the difference in the game. And with Senzel ailing, I was actually expecting a squeeze bunt. Alas, not to be. This felt like a game the Reds should have won, but between the spring training lineup and a disappointing night from Suarez plus the Peraza error they did just enough to lose. Frustrating. They need to take the two remaining games then 3 of 4 from Pittsburgh. It’s time in the schedule to make that push to .500!

    • JB

      Doesnt matter what manager, they just can’t seem to put guys on the IL. They just love to play with a short bench.

    • Scott C

      No way they are going to squeeze bunt with Barnhart on third. And they couldn’t run for him because Farmer was already out of the game. Poor Game management starting both of your catchers just to get another right-handed bat into the lineup.
      Peraza should never, never, ever play the outfield. He looked like a deer in the headlights last night.

    • RedsMonk65

      Sure was. Too bad it was wasted.

  3. RedNat

    Winker, Senzel and Votto now are just injury prone. This is the reason more than any, that We keep Peraza around. say what you want about him but he is very durable and can fill in for these guys at different positions when they are down

    • Sliotar

      Peraza isn’t playing 1st, and can’t play LF, as witnessed tonight.

      Van Meter and Senzel provide more pop at 2B, and probably better defense as well.
      Galvis is going to get time at SS next season.

      Peraza is making almost $3 million and has provided a wRC+ of 62 and negative WAR (-0.4), entering tonight.

      “Keeping him around” is a direct example of how botched the Rebuild (TM) was over the last 4 years.

      • Still a Red

        Peraza apparently can pitch 🙂

    • Jim Walker

      Winker and Senzel may be injury prone. Joey Votto is age prone at this juncture. Check out his games per season. From 2015 thru 2018, his lowest games appeared in during a season was 145. This year he has already appeared in 113 of 123 games.

    • RojoBenjy

      How do you blame getting nailed in the elbow with a pitch on the player?

      Keeping Peraza around, as Sliotar states, is “business as usual,” which has netted a nice trio of 90-loss seasons for this club—and possibly a fourth.

      Van Meter can play LF, O’Grady has played some too. Why slot in Peraza?

      • RedsMonk65

        That was my question all night. Then when Van Meter did come into the game, Ervin was lifted, and Peraza shifted over to CF. Not good management, and not fair to Peraza. He is a SS.

    • SaveTheFarm

      Not sure a hit by pitch on Senzel can be grouped in with the “injury prone” title.

  4. Ed

    I’d love to see Suarez mash 40 homers this season. He’s not far behind Yelich, Trout, Bellinger… but it sure feels like he struggles with 2 outs, and folds with 2 strikes. Two big opportunities for him to sway the game with a base hit, but no dice.

    does anyone else think it makes sense to flip Bauer in the off season?
    And if someone needs a Peraza, please take him.

    • Sliotar

      (Bauer stays, IMO. Trading Trammell for 2 months of him would be horrible optics.)

      You mentioned Bellinger….

      Tonight is a reminder that the Reds need big upgrades offensively from somewhere…. the kids, Winker playing everyday, free agency…somewhere.

      The 3 NL Division Leaders all have minimum 3 positions guys with WAR near or over 3 this season….


      • Sliotar

        Reds ….

        Suarez 2.6 WAR
        Dietrich (!!!) 1.6 WAR
        Iglesias 1.5 WAR

        2 of these 3 may not even be on the Reds next season.

      • Ed

        I absolutely agree… from the ol’ approximate eye test, Iglesias and Galvis get the momentum rolling for this ball club. Iglesias, despite his low wRC, has one of the longest hitting streaks in MLB. Iglesias and Galvis, maybe Ervin, Senzel- they can hit the ball and get on base.

        Suarez and 34 homers is a serious accomplishment. Aquino is mashing the ball… I think another big stick or two would make such a tremendous difference. Reds have a couple guys who seem to hit and can get on base.

        As much as I like Tucker, I think catcher is a place to upgrade for power. As much as I love Votto, first base should really be generating power instead of just base hits. If Votto is going to be getting on base instead of hitting for power, I guess they need to find power elsewhere. Maybe that means short or second base? Left field?

      • CI3J

        To be fair, the Reds may already have those players. Suarez is having a down year, his WAR the previous two seasons averages out to 3.9.

        Aquino, even though he has “cooled off”, seems to be the real deal. He has legit 40 HR power and seems to know how to take a walk. He’s already generated 1.2 WAR in just 57 ABs. While I know he can’t sustain this pace over a full season, 3 WAR seems like a pretty decent bet.

        Then there are Senzel, JVM, and Winker. VanMeter has generated about 1 WAR in 157 ABs. Senzel and Winker have both been worth less than 1 WAR, but they are young and still have room to grow.

        Bottom line, the Reds probably already have 3 players who can generate 3+ WAR over a season. However, I think one of the most telling bits from your list is that on the other teams, one of the 3+ WAR players is the first baseman. Until the Reds move on from Joey Votto, they will never get 3+ WAR from the first base position again.

        I’d really like to know what the Reds intend to do about 1B, given that it is one of the premiere offensive positions on the whole team and the Reds seem to have no succession plan following the declining Votto.

      • Pete

        Sliotar, let’s do some math and see where we are at. You paint a picture that I don’t believe is fair. Apples and oranges. The Reds best players do not have enough PA’s to do a proper comparison so let’s try something different. Here we go:

        Phillip Ervin (lf): WAR is 0.7 in 140 PA’s, extrapolated over 500 PA’s = 2.5 WAR
        Josh VanMeter (2B): 0.9 in 146, over 500 PA’s = 3.2
        Aristides Aquino (rf): 0.9 in 67, 6.7
        Nick Senzel (cf): 0.8 in 363, 1.1
        Jesse Winker (1B): 1.0 in 384, 1.3
        Tucker Barnhart (c): 0.7 in 261, 1.3
        Jose Iglesias (ss): 1.5 in 410, 1.8
        Eugenio Suarez (3B): 2.5 in 514

        No, this is not great but these guys are young for the most part. Would they produce better if they were full time? Until now we have pleaded to see the kids play and they have to some degree. The players I listed would be the highest WAR’s at their positions. I submit, we have seen enough to go with this group on a regular basis. At the end of the year, we and the organization can evaluate what the team’s needs are based on solid data. It’s time for David Bell to cease the musical chairs – there aren’t many moving parts here. Play Farmer, Votto, Dietrich and Peraza on a very limited basis. These are reserve-level players and should be treated as such.

        Dose of reality: there will be some kind PT rotation at SS and Joey Votto will be back at 1B everyday at some point. If the rotation at SS is Iglesias/Galvis, we won’t lose much in WAR if any. Playing a platoon of Winker/Ervin in lf to make room for Votto may even be a wash.

        For the remainder of the 2019 season, I would like to see the anticipated 2020 line up in there 75-80% of the time. Let’s see if these youngsters are ready for prime time. The Reds left 14 runners on base last night and the disjointed line up didn’t help. Realistically, I don’t think David Bell is up to it but hope springs external. He is paid to manage and by God, manage he will. Sometimes applying economy is the best strategy, however.

        My point is don’t go overboard in your pessimism, my friend. This is not an old broken down team if Bell will play it right.

      • Jim Walker

        Winker and Ervin have played as a tandem since sometime in June; and combined they are at 1.7 fWAR. They could easily get to 3+ playing a full season being used as they have been this year.

      • Shchi Cossack

        @Jim Walker, the combined results from Winker and Ervin speaks to the efficacy of the LF platoon arrangement. With Winker performing to his career norms after whatever the first 2 months of the season represented and Ervin plummeting back to Earth with his BAbip regressing to career norms, the LF platoon looks not only viable and effective, but necessary.

    • Hanawi

      Jose Iglesias is a number 8 (NL) or 9 (AL) hitter on a good team. Peraza is in AAA for a good team. The fact that the Reds are batting both of them in the top 5 of their lineup shows that they still have a ways to go and/or Bell has no idea who his best hitters are. Probably both.

      • RedsMonk65

        We had three shortstops (3) on the field and in the lineup at once last night (!). And an extremely short-handed bench with all the recent injuries. That’s what drove me nuts. Argh.

    • Don

      Suarez for his career with 2 strikes has a 0.170 Average
      Strikes out 43% of the time (744 of 1750 PAs with 2 strikes)
      Walks 31% of the time with Full Count 164 out of 521 PAs

      From baseball reference for his career Late & Close which is (Late & Close are Plate Appearances in the 7th or later with the batting team tied, ahead by one, or the tying run at least on deck)
      461 PAs, 124 Ks (19%), 36 BB(5%), .234 BA. .298 OBP, .282 BABIP

      So he has successfully gotten on base just under 3 in 10 times in situations like have occurred on Sunday and Monday.

      In a comparison Joey’s career Late and Close Stats.
      1163 PA, 249 Ks (21%), 227 BB(20%), .279 BA. .426 OBP, .344 BABIP

      • VaRedsFan

        Thanks for digging those numbers up Don. Writers can pretend that there is no such thing as clutch, but they will never know it unless they’ve experienced it. Players talk about it all the time, yet the writers fail to acknowledge it.
        I’d be curious to hear the Joey late/close stats since the start of 2018.

    • Bruuuuuccceee

      Thom mentioned this on the broadcast the other day. If Suarez can get ahead in the count, he was one of the best hitter’s in baseball. If he gets behind however, he is one of the worst.

  5. Eric B

    So it seems with another disappointing season there has to be at least one guy who takes the brunt of criticism. This year it’s Jose Peraza. Let’s take a look at this.
    The guy lost his starting position then lost another starting position early on. His playing time was relegated to spot starts and pinch hitting. I would venture to say if any other player was diminished as Peraza they too would see similar results. There were other prime time players who did not exactly bust out in April or May of this year. They were not replaced for their lack of production as Peraza was. David Bell has not put him in a position to succeed as he often proclaims he does for his players. He has done the exact opposite for Peraza and subsequently destroyed the man’s confidence. Peraza needs to get consistent at bats to get into a rhythm. In a game where players are judged on a daily basis and the only concern of the critic is “what have you done for me lately” lets take a look at what a little consistency can do.

    Brandon Warne of Fangraphs at the beginning of the 2018 season was quoted as saying this about Jose Peraza.

    “There just isn’t much here offensively.”
    and “The evidence is stacking up that this guy just can’t hit.”

    Jose Peraza Stats 2018

    157 g (team best)
    632 ab (team best)
    263 tb
    288 / 326 / 414 / 742 (team 2nd best avg 500 plus ab)
    182 h (team best)
    85 r (2nd to SG’s 86 r)
    49 xbh
    14 hr
    58 rbi
    31 2b (team best)
    4 3b. (2nd to BH)
    23 sb
    6 cs
    75 so (team lowest 467 plus ab)
    k% 11.0 (team best)
    29 bb
    .307 babip
    wrc plus 97
    war 2.7
    er 22
    f% .962
    erpg 0.14

    Stats don’t lie. These particular stats are an inconvenient truth for some concerning Jose Perazas ability.

    • Pete

      Whoever has a year-long wRC+ of 63 is going to take the brunt of the criticism, comes with the territory. I feel for the guy as I have expressed but he’s had a miserable season: at the plate, on the base paths and in the field. It may be a jinx. You make a good case for giving him an opportunity and I agree. The opportunity should be at AAA. I think this is fair.

    • Hanawi

      Not sure what you’re trying to say. He led the league in errors and OPSed under .750 last year. You think that deserves a starting spot no questions asked? They should have sent him down and told him he wouldn’t be recalled until he found some plate discipline. Instead he’s been one of the worst hitters in baseball who gets regular at bats.

      • Eric B

        I’m not trying to say anything. I stated my opinion and backed it up with last years statistical data which correlates Perazas number of at bats with success. What’s so difficult to understand? Stats don’t lie. I never said he was a superstar. I’m not going to try and explain my reasoning to every self appointed talent expert who’s bashing the player I am giving the benefit of the doubt.

    • JB

      You all have good points. As soon as he lost his job they needed to send him down so he could play every day and work on his game. He is young and has skills. He just needs to fine tune everything and get comfortable. Playing different positions and not playing consistently isnt helping. They botched this big time.

    • VaRedsFan

      So his inability to catch a fly ball comes from irregular playing time?
      His failure to properly cover a base and apply a tag, started because his playing time has been cut?

      NO….he loses his playing time, not just because he is the weakest hitter in the league (as if that weren’t reason enough). He fails, because of the numerous mental errors he makes day after day, week after week. Things you should know from high school, or Little League even

      • RojoBenjy

        Yes, but his manager keeps starting him in games.

        That should BOOST his confidence, because no matter what he does, he’s still going to get PT.

      • JB

        That’s why he needs to go to AAA and play every day. If the light comes on and he figures it out then he comes up. If not he stays there like everybody else. I dont know of any other player that doesnt start thst way. Why they are letting him learn on the job in the majors is baffling.

      • Eric B

        No. That was a mistake. Everybody makes them.

        Though touching a nerve of the Peraza haters was purely unintentional it was obviously accomplished just the same


    Even some MBE game thread magic couldn’t overcome our inept efforts last night. What a waste of Bauer’s start.

  7. Don

    Having watched almost every game this year, the starting lineup last night did not instill confidence in this fan. I was hopeful but figured the Reds would struggle to score. They just have not seemed to have any answer vs Left Handed starters this year so I started to look at stats to back up this feeling.

    Team stats
    Vs RHP (3569 PA)
    BA 247, OBP 314 SLG 434, BABIP .291 841 Ks (23%)
    Vs LHP (1050 PA)
    BA 262, OBP 334, SLG 423, BABIP .305, 215 (20%)

    My gut feeling is not accurate as vs LHP other than slugging are better than RHP

    The Reds offensive is just below average across the board.

    I agree with the comments that what looks to be constant experiments could be a factor.

    I am by no means a Bell defender as he does seem very overmatched as a manager so far this year but the reality may be he could be getting the most of out of the players that just do not have the talent as other teams in the league.

    The numbers seem to bear this out and the FO jettisoning the veterans that did not perform this year to me are examples of recognizing this short coming in talent and seeing if they can address. There is only so much which can be done during the season. Other FOs can see the lack of talent and not offer anything for it either.

    Hopefully the Reds (Bell) do have the less experiences players play (cannot say younger as the entire 25 man roster is under 30) more even in the left vs left and right vs right situations the rest of the year to get data as if there is talent which can be built for 2020 or not.

    Galvis, Iglesias, Barnhart, Suarez, Votto, Peraza all have enough of a history (> 1500 plate appearances) at the MLB level to have enough of a history to be able to know what they will contribute in 2020.

    The rest of the position players on the 25 man roster do not have a track record which can be used to have confidence in 2020 with them.

    Play the young guys if they cannot go 15-23 the rest of 2019 to avoid the 90 game losing season they do not have the talent to build around in 2020.

    Better to know going into the off season with that data than with the hope this inexperienced player can fill this spot all off season,

    Please play the inexperienced players the rest of the year, the team and fans needs this data to have confidence in 2020 as potential only means the person has not done anything yet and the plan is hope.

  8. Shchi Cossack

    So Bell opts to ignore the data that tells everyone that Lauer was dominant against RH hitters and toast against LH hitters, despite pitching LH and deploys a completely RH lineup (2 switch hitters)…

    2019 Lauer:
    v. RH Hitters (.257/.313/.399) 22.2% K rate, 6.9% BB rate, 0.99 HR/9
    v. LH Hitters (.339/.388/.532) 10.4% K rate, 6.7% BB rate, 1.61 HR/9

    Career Lauer:
    v. RH Hitters (.270/.334/.416) 21.9% K rate, 8.0% BB rate, 1.06 HR/9
    v. LH Hitters (.318/.380/.507) 11.7% K rate, 7.7% BB rate, 1.57 HR/9

    Bell’s starting lineup:
    (.250/.363/.392) 33.3% SO rate, 9.1% BB rate, 1.0 HR/9

    Who would/could have foreseen such an outcome? BTW, the 2 switch hitters (both riding hot streaks) in the lineup went 4/8 w/ 1-HR, 1-2B, 2-R & 1-RBI.

    • RojoBenjy


      What you’ve outlined here, seems to expose the manager as a buffoon. And to top it off, the prep for the RH hitters was to set up a pitching machine in a unique way before the game?

      Lauer has splits like that and he leave both JVM and O’Grady on the bench?

      Someone make it stop. There needs to be an intervention.

  9. Still a Red

    Read that Senzel is tweaking his swing…apparently as an investment in the future…but at the expense of today. Everyone rightly disappointed in Suarez’s inability to deliver in the 9th in the last two games, but Senzel has too (swung at first pitch two nights ago to pop up, ground out to third last night trapping Barnhart, when a fly ball likely scores tying). Why on earth tweak things now, when he seemed to be doing pretty good as is. Sure, maximize his attributes, but work on it in the off season.

    • Pete

      Don’t look now but Winker is making the same adjustments. I couldn’t be happier. Neither of these fellow have enough pop and now they’re working on it. The benefit of doing it now is hopefully we will see the fruits of their investments.

      Nick says he basically isn’t happy with the hitter he is and neither am I. Not that he’s bad but the team needs more from him and Winker. Fair? Probably not but there it is – nothing ventured, nothing gained.

    • RojoBenjy

      Well–Nick had an elbow the size of a pomegranate too, so there’s that.

      And after the game Bells says it may require IL time.

      So it begs the question, why did Bell send up a pinch hitter that they are contemplating the IL for? More madness.

      • RedsMonk65

        Playing with a 4-man bench (with 2 of those 4 IL-worthy and the other 2 having mashed at AAA), and then starting your emergency C elsewhere on the field just reeks of …. something.

      • RojoBenjy


        Or malice.

        Or incompetence.

        Which is it?

  10. RedsMonk65

    Well, this is an interesting lineup for tonight, to say the least:

    Josh VanMeter (L) CF
    Freddy Galvis (S) SS
    Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
    Aristides Aquino (R) RF
    Tucker Barnhart (S) LF
    Jose Iglesias (R) 2B
    Nick Senzel (R) 1B
    Brian O’Grady (L) C
    Sonny Gray (R) P

    • RedsMonk65

      That was from Looks really funky, even for David Bell. Here is what C Trent posted:

      VanMeter 3
      Galvis 4
      Suarez 5
      Aquino 9
      Barnhart 2
      Iglesias 6
      Senzel 8
      O’Grady 7
      Gray 1

      • Don

        The c Trent one looks right.

        The one on looks like an April Fools Day joke with all the players out of position.

        Iglesias has not played 2nd all year and has not played at any position but SS since 2013.

        Barnhart in left and O’Grady catching, that is funny

      • RedsMonk65

        Yeah, Big Ed said it best on another thread: “I thought maybe Bell had been into the Pappy Van Winkle a little early today.”

        I thought so too, but then again, these days, who knows?

        ( still has theirs up by the way!)

  11. matthew hendley

    SO Senzel is probably healthyish and Winker is probably still (ph worthy). O’grady wins out.

    DD 2-4 on base 3 times scored twice in first rehab start. Would be great to get him back and firing on all cylinders for the pirates series.

  12. matthew hendley


    Someones out of time out.

    Amir Garrett off suspension and back in bullpen

    • Eric B

      Just in time to pitch against the pi-rats in the steel city. This could be fun!