If you somehow missed the news, the Cincinnati Reds acquired right-handed pitcher Trevor Bauer from the Cleveland Indians last night. They dealt away Yasiel Puig, and prospects Taylor Trammell and Scott Moss. The San Diego Padres were also involved in the deal, moving Franmil Reyes, Logan Allen, and Victor Nova on their end to acquire Trammell in the deal.

With a deal like this, there are going to be some opinions. Trevor Bauer has been an inconsistent pitcher over the course of his career. In 2018 he was a Cy Young contender. In 2019 he’s been a borderline All-Star caliber pitcher. Prior to 2018 he had a career much like that of Homer Bailey – dazzling at times, but mostly average. Yasiel Puig almost always draws opinions, and those opinions are all over the place. And then there’s a guy like Franmil Reyes who has 27 home runs despite playing his home games in Petco. Oh yeah, and the prospects. All of the prospects.

Perhaps some of us here in Redleg Nation are a bit too attached to Yasiel Puig or Taylor Trammell to be unbiased. We don’t really care – we plan to have our writers share their initial reactions to the deal later today. But we also want to provide reactions from those outside of Redleg Nation and in the national media, and how they feel about the deal.

Dan Szymborski of Fangraphs

He broke down the trade with a whole lot of words, plenty of stats, and more over at Fangraphs. You really should go give the whole thing a read. But here’s a part of what he had to say about the deal from the Reds perspective:

getting Bauer (who is signed for next season) in a trade for Puig (who is not) makes the Reds a better team in 2020 than they would likely be otherwise. Unlike many swaps of this kind, the Reds even make themselves a little better in the short-term. Given the team’s short- and mid-term goals, helping 2020 without sacrificing their slim shot in 2019 is a perfect move.

Eno Sarris of The Athletic

The Athletic got the opinions of many of their writers for this one. The article has stuff from several national writers, as well as the guys who cover the Reds, Indians, and Padres. For this one we’re going to look at some of the things that Eno Sarris had to say about Trevor Bauer and the Reds in what was a much more detailed breakdown by him, as well as multiple other contributors at The Athletic.

Trevor Bauer is really good at pitching, y’all.

His new team only has a four percent chance of making the playoffs according to FanGraphs, though, so the trade seems like a strange one.

And it looked likely that Bauer wouldn’t be available by the offseason, so they pounced.

Kyle Glaser and JJ Cooper of Baseball America

This is more of a tweet/quote tweet kind of thing here.

This was the original quote tweet from Glaser, responding to a tweet from Robert Murray, who is the Brewers beat writer at The Athletic. Clearly the executive he spoke to felt that the Indians did a good job on the deal. But Glaser expands on that, showing just how different the two returns were. Then JJ Cooper, also of Baseball America, chimed in with his thoughts on what Glaser had to say:

Jayson Stark of The Athletic

Hall of Famer Jayson Stark didn’t exactly chime in here, but did share what a National League executive shared with him on the deal.

Keith Law of ESPN

You will need an ESPN+ account to read the entire breakdown of the deal from Keith Law on this one. But it’s a good read if you do have access to the article. Here’s a small part of what he had to say about the Reds side of the deal:

The Cincinnati Reds’ side makes the least sense to me, as they traded away their top prospect plus two months of Yasiel Puig for a year plus two months of a good-not-great starting pitcher. Trevor Bauer the pitcher has had one outstanding year, 2018, and has otherwise been a little bit above average, adding value as much for his ability to take the ball every fifth day as for his performance.

Jim Bowden of LeatherPants.com The Athletic

We’ll wrap this up with a tweet on the trade from everyone’s favorite former Cincinnati Reds General Manager, Jim Bowden

84 Responses

  1. Seat101

    Random thoughts

    Has anyone found out how much input our pitching coach had into this trade?

    Yasiel Puig no longer has a possibility of a QO attached to him.

    Do you think Joe Girardi has inside info on the Reds flipping Bauer?

    Is Jose Peraza going to end up playing every position by the time this season ends?

    • Colorado Red

      With the overplay, I do not see the Reds flipping him.
      Unless they want 2 mid level prospects.

  2. Colorado Red

    Time will tell, but it looks like a significant overpay.
    Not worried about Puig, but Tyler is just too much for 1 year (this year is done))
    of a nice pitcher. Good rotation next year, then nothing.
    Are we a top 25 farm system anymore?

  3. Pete

    Bauer’s xFIP rank, among SP’s, in the 15-team American League:
    2019 – 12
    2018 – 3
    2017 – 11
    2016 – 21
    2015 – 15

    I’ll take him.

    • Pete

      Correction 2015 he was ranked 30th. I’ll still take him even with this flaw….

  4. Steve Schoenbaechler

    Like I said before, it’s what are the Reds looking to commit to.

    For instance, take the OF’s. On the big club right before yesterday, we had, of noted quality of any degree, Puig, Senzel, Winker, Ervin, and VanMeter. And, don’t forget, Aquino and Trammell were coming up still. So, they had (and some may argue still have) some room to move on OF’s. So, the question was, who were they going to commit to?

    It seems obvious that, so far, they have committed to Senzel, Winker, Ervin, and VanMeter, with Aquino coming in. I will play any game with those first 4, as well as with the 5th coming in.

    Trammell took a step backwards this year, if anything. he is still probably 2 years away. Puig I view a lot like Phillips was, a very popular player but, with the exception of the rare hot streak he would get on, was barely a serviceable player if that.

    Now, that’s with what we lose. With what we gain, in short, it’s 2 months of Bauer now in return for 2 months of Puig. And, from what I heard, Bauer will probably take Mahle’s spot in the rotation. I believe we are better from the deal in that respect. Second, after this season, this deal means, so far, Bauer takes Roark’s place. I can’t help thinking this might be a “break even” part here. Specifically from, at least what I’m looking at, their GB%, something I believe a lot of sabers look at to pitch at GABP, is pretty much even. So, I see pretty much simply another year of a similar pitcher.

    In summary, from what I see, we answer a bit of a “flood” in the OF and answer a need for pitching for next season, giving up a highly touted prospect who is still probably 2 years away and an OF who possibly wasn’t going to be here next year, since the Reds are seemingly going to commit to the others I mentioned.

    Not to leave out, they may decide to move Senzel to 2nd base.

  5. Rut

    Saw a national media take that TT ‘has all the tools to be a superstar CF’.

    And that is the problem with listening to many big media types parrrot what they hear from a single source (cough, keith law).

    Fact is that TT does not have the arm for CF, even in the minors. Even if he had not scuffled at AA this year his value is pretty diminished by that fact alone. The Reds, of all parties, should be most aware of TT’s abilities and they chose to play him in LF this year.

    Maybe he ends up being Starling Marte, but odds are he doesn’t. Reds are at least trying, which is good in my book.

    • Rusty

      Totally agree, would rather they take a chance with a guy who has history in mlb than a guy who is promoted by media as having what it takes to possibly achieve some future level of history!

      • Michael

        The problem with this line of thinking is that teams value prospects due to the control they have over them and the ability to keep costs down. In today’s market, Trammell should have brought back a lot more than 1+ years of Bauer, especially considering the Reds do not have a realistic shot at the playoffs this year AND the fact you moved Puig and a prospect in this deal as well. The Reds had an asset and while maybe not getting pennies on the dollar for him definitely could and should have gotten more back in return.

    • Doug Gray

      I saw Johnny Damon play center field for over a decade with an arm my dead grandma could beat. Trammell’s arm can handle center field. Catching the ball is far more important of a skill than throwing it.

      • doofus

        Doug’s words are wise. Johnny Damon had a wet-noodle for an arm. he played CF for long time.

      • Rut

        Ok, so why did the Reds put TT in left? He has speed, so was it route running or lack of ability to catch the ball?

        Hard to imagine the Reds put him in LF on a whim. They clearly did not feel like he was a CF for the future for this club.

        Perhaps other clubs value him differently or see a bigger role, but from a Reds perspective he was not going to be in CF. That has to impact his value, imo, making him more expendable. We shall see if the Reds were correct in that assessment in the years to come

      • Michael E

        Yeah, Damon threw like a girl…which may be giving him too much credit and may be underselling the average ball-playing girl.

  6. Rut

    Also pretty clear Reds are fully all in on Drivetrain (or whatever that place is called).

    Yet to hear that angle looked at in depth, but given Bauer’s 100% belief in it and Reds hiring of Caleb Cotham there certainly appears to be a close tie here.

      • Rut

        Haha, yeah, Driveline.

        But point stands, and I do not think it is just a coincidence. Reds do appear to have embraced that philosophy/process with both hands.

  7. Eric Wormus

    Josiah Gray, Jeter Downs, and Taylor Trammell for 10 starts of Alex Wood and one year of Travis Bauer is not good at all.

    • Pete

      Actually it’s great. If any of those 3 become productive MLB players we can haggle about it.

      • Ghettotrout1

        Everyone is in love with prospects so much. Well we’ve had plenty in the top 100 that have either turned out Meh (Winker, Peraza, Garrett – he is good but if your a top 100 guy I’m expecting a starter), bad (Robert Stephenson) or who knows (Cody Reed…… Tyler Stephenson) I mean say what you want but Trammel wasn’t raking this year in AA and as I have just pointed out may times our prospects don’t really excite.`

      • Eric Wormus

        If the Reds were one starting pitcher away from being a legit 90-95 win team I would agree 100%. They are no where near that. They gave up 3 top 10 organization prospects to finish 2019 in 4th place and probably 2020 in 4th/5th place. There’s no real difference between 72 wins and 76 wins to anyone other than Bob “We just aren’t gonna lose anymore” Castellini.

      • Doc

        And that assumes no further extensions for Bauer or Wood, which is TBD. Evaluation of trades cannot accurately be done in the here and now; must see how they play out.

    • C Holbert

      They are still prospects, and so far have done nothing. If they get to the majors, it can be discussed. TT was the only one even on any MLB prospects list.

  8. Ghettotrout1

    Hot Take – I bet Trammel doesn’t turn out to be what everyone thinks he will be. I believe the Reds must have felt the same and that if they waited any longer his stock would continue to drop.

    • Matt V

      I kind of thought some of that too – I remember the hype after 2018’s Futures Game and thinking “the kind of hype he’s getting might make him more valuable to trade than he actually is”

      There’s always a distribution of possible outcomes though – it’s certainly possible he emerges a superstar, but he could just be a good-not-great player who doesn’t quite have the power to profile as a corner OF.

  9. Streamer88

    To quote brad Pitt in Moneyball, relative to Taylor Trammell: “if he’s a good hitter, why doesn’t he hit good?”

    Trevor Bauer’s advanced metrics suggest he isn’t just “good” he in the top 15 of a 15 team league…. that makes him an ACE by the only objective criteria that makes any sense.

    Aces do not grow on trees. You cannot win playoff series without them.

    I love this trade to death.

    • Eric Wormus

      You can’t win a playoff series without making the playoffs. The Reds are no where near making the playoffs.

      • Streamer88

        I disagree, kindly. The Reds are in the toughest division in baseball. Not something that is going to change, but it’s something that masks how close we are to respectability. I typically admire any transaction that acquires very hard to find things in exchange for widely available things (purposefully generic statement). I think this qualifies as that.

      • Michael E

        With the best rotation in NL Central and top 3 NL rotation this year and next year (barring injuries), they most certainly are playoff contenders. While they need to play .600 ball the rest of the way, they are well withing a playoff spot THIS year after acquiring Bauer. If the bullpen continues to pull solid weight, this is a staff that simply won’t be giving up 4+runs very often.

        They also have a favorable schedule the last two months compared to some others in front of them.

      • Michael E

        … and this coming from a Reds fan that rooted for them to lose in August and September the past four years…for a better draft slot.

        I am rooting for WINS and the playoffs for the rest of 2019 and it’s well within reach even if a small hill is in front of them.

  10. CFD3000

    I haven’t chimed in on the trade yet, but my initial thoughts are:
    Puig was either extend or trade. I enjoyed his stay with the Reds, but he was probably leaving in 2020 anyway. The Reds got value in return. I’m fine with that.
    Trammell was only a prospect, and perhaps one whose promise had faded a bit in 2019. If the Reds FO saw him as expendable, and given that the Reds have an exciting young outfield with more on the way, I’m also fine with that.
    Moss was not on my radar, so no comment there.
    Bauer makes the Reds better, now and next year. I’m excited to see him pitch for the Reds.
    It’s time to turn some attention to shortstop. Extend Jose Iglesias as an insurance policy, admit that the Peraza experiment is over, acquire a solid starter. And the bullpen. Move on from Hughes and Hernandez and probably Stephenson. Upgrade with Reed and Romano. Acquire a killer setup man or two. And catcher? Not sure how to solve that one, but it’s the smallest of those three problems. Then, stay healthy and make a playoff run starting next year.
    Bottom line, I’m fine with this trade, and I like the change from prior inaction. Go Reds!

    • Doc

      Peraza got one year at shortstop, and has been utility this year, at best. He has not had the opportunity to show growth at the shortstop position.

  11. TR

    I like the idea of flipping Bauer to the Astros for a good young centerfielder and a reliever. Then Winker/Ervin in left field, Aquino in right field and Senzel/Van Meter at second base. Important areas covered and go younger.

  12. Kindell

    Yes, the Indians got a good return for Bauer, but a lot of that was coming from the Padres. I want to see what Derek Johnson can do with Bauer.

    I think Trammell’s struggles this season are much more concerning than we wanted to say.

    • Ghettotrout1

      I agree. I have been worried about Trammel. He is one of those tools guys that doesn’t seem has the results.

      • Gonzo Reds

        Can you say Byron Buxton part 2?

  13. Robert Strong

    This trade is horrible for the Red’s, Trammell and Moss were young stars with bright futures. Let’s not kid ourselves, someone brought up 2020 and how Bauer would help us. If we don’t address our main needs relief pitching & hitting 2020 does not matter. I would rather get what Cleveland or San Diego got in the trade rather than Bauer. This is why we have been on this life long rebuild, bad front office decisions, just like this! In the end San Diego got the best of the trade, because the two players we gave up will probably become future All-Stars! Maybe I need to become a Braves fan I am tired of suffering with Red’s and Bengals. I guess this is my curse I love teams with bad decision makers!

    • Big Tony

      Its funny, because the Padres side is saying how horrible the trade is for them.

    • Chris Holbert

      Probably become future All Stars, maybe they should get to AAA first…

    • doofus

      I have never read that Scott Moss was a “star.” He is not even on any Top 100 list.

    • earmbrister

      Like I said elsewhere, would you trade top prospect Bob Steve for Bauer?

      Top prospects are sure things, until they’re not.

      Let this play out Robert, before you enshrine Trammell and Moss into the HOF.

    • Michael E

      Moss “upside” is SP3 in MLB and that is if everything clicks…not likely. He has low ceiling, so lay off the kool-aid.

      Trammell is well thought of and a top prospect…but I think the Padres got the worst of this deal, the Reds came out okay, even if a slight overpay (Puig and Moss are bit pieces really), and Cleveland made out really well (mostly thanks to the Padres).

      The Reds got the best player in the deal. That alone helps ease any concern of an “overpay”. I feel bad for Trammell, going to the Padres. Poor fella and we thought the Reds were lacking in success.

  14. jessecuster44

    Why do you trade for 1 year of a pitcher when other controllable pitchers were out there? madness.

    • Streamer88

      Because Bauer, whose future performance is unknown (just as trammells is to be fair), was the only player (of any position) other than Syndergaard who has a potential future outcome % for absolute immediate greatness.

      What I mean is Bauer’s 1SD of possibilities involves being elite. Whereas no one else’s really does. Stroman has been good, but some stat cruncher likely told DW that he is more like a 2SD chance of future greatness.

    • doofus

      Maybe the teams with controllable pitchers did not want to trade them. Perhaps because they were controllable?

    • Michael E

      Not many out there that would have been gotten for just Trammell, Puig and Moss. Syndergaard would have taken Trammell, another top 5 prospect and a current good, controllable player on the MLB team (Puig doesn’t fit that).

      Bauer has less control and costs more, but less injury concerns than Syndergaard or Wheeler (two available).

      Doug says the Reds way overpaid and is focused on youth and cost-control, which we all want to see, but he has stated recently the Reds owners can afford to spend a lot more on payroll given they have a billion dollar valued team. So Doug has me leaning to the “so what?” side. Talent trumps cost-control at this point and Reds got the best player in the trade to go with a top pitching coach. My ONLY concern (unless Trammell becomes Trout 2.0…lol) is whether Bauer will be a plus or minus to the TEAM chemistry moving forward as he is a flake at times.

  15. Scott in Texas

    The top 3 in our rotation becomes Castillo, Bauer, Gray. We should be excited about this y’all!

    • Colorado Red

      Yes, but how many times have we lost 1- 0 or 2-1 or 2-0.
      Can’t win, if you don’t score.

      • Pete

        If the Reds don’t insist on playing Peraza and Dietrich in the Of and start JVM at 2B, the offense has been upgraded maybe more than the starting rotation. Only time will tell.

        The guy I’m keeping my eye on is Aristides Aquino, a very rare talent- can he carry it over to the Bigs? I can’t wait to find out. If he does hit, the Reds could easily be the second best team in the NL right now. They will fix the bullpen, I have little doubt.

        For the fans that require a lot of structure in their team, it will be a little tense for awhile. It’s a great time to be a Reds fan.

      • Jim Walker

        True but there is the off season to deal with that situation. This trade was the 1st step in putting together the 2020 team. Or in another context this was the Scott Rolen acquisition 2009 table setting trade.

      • Tom Mitsoff

        Good analogy, Jim. How is your eye?

      • RojoBenjy

        @Jim Walker

        I would love to think that the Reds see this as a step toward 2020. However, if they don’t show other signs of that such as starting Jose9 every day at SS, VanMeter every day at 2B, and possibly adding Aquino to the 40 and calling him up to play RF, then I am afraid they are still operating under the Big C’s delusions of making playoffs this year.

      • doofus

        Eye? Jim did you get caught up in that scuffle on the field last night?

      • doofus

        Thank you Jim for your succinct insight. You could not be more correct.

        Many of us cannot see the forest because of all the trees.

    • Bob Purkey

      If Wood is healthy, I would make him a very competitive offer. Castillo, Bauer, Gray as Scott says above, then add Wood and Disco as a #5. . . wow.

      The Reds will have money to spend, with Puig, Roark, Scooter and whatever they had to pay Kemp, come off the books. They should be able to address a couple of needs with those $$.

    • Michael E

      considering how sucky the Reds pitching has been in my lifetime (apologies to Rijo, Nasty Boys, Soto and Cueto), I am super excited that we have a top 3 NL rotation for this and next year. We may have the best rotation in 2020 if another move is made or a AAAA/AAA/AA prospect takes the next step to put a good SP3 into the SP5 slot.

      • Michael E

        Now, the key to success is allowing these guys to pitch 110+ pitches regularly and not yanking them after 85 and 5 or 6 innings. I want to see 7 innings often with some 8 inning and CGs mixed in here and there.

  16. Jeff Gangloff

    The Reds could trade Austin Kearns for Babe Ruth and Keith Law would still say “it doesn’t make sense” for the Reds.

    • Ghettotrout1

      I seriously can’t stand Keith Law. I just finished his book “smart baseball” in which he claims there is no such thing as playing the hot hand and that clutch players are not a real thing. I think Keith Law is crazy.

      • Vancouver Dave

        I don’t have an opinion on Keith Law. But I remember Bill James tested both the hot hand and clutch hitting theories thirty years ago in his Baseball Abstracts. The evidence shows Law is correct on both these cases.

      • Ghettotrout1

        So when Puig and Bruce before him have gone on hot streaks and cold streaks those are not real?

      • Eric L Wormus

        When analysts say “clutch players are not a real thing,” typically they mean that over the course of a career, Player X will perform roughly the same in clutch situations as in any other situation and the deviations from year to year are rather unpredictable.

        Let’s take Tony Perez:
        1975 he hit .282/.350/.466, .816 OPS.
        In high leverage situations it was .244/.311/.450, .761 OPS

        In 1976, he hit .260/.328/.452, .779 OPS.
        In high leverage situatuins, it was .252/.336/.350, .685 OPS

        In 1977 he hit .283/.352/.463 .816 OPS
        In high leverage situations it was .312/.373/.486 .859 OPS.

        He didn’t suddenly “become clutch” in 1977. In other orders, clutch hitting happens, but we have no way of accurately predicting who will have a “clutch” season, who will not, and when it will happen.

      • RojoBenjy

        @Eric

        What about Big Doggie’s RBI in high leverage situations?

        That counts as clutch. A sacrifice fly doesn’t raise your batting average, but it can tie a game or give you the lead.

        Is there a measurement of that factored in?

      • da bear

        To Vancouver Dave – clutch hitting might not be ‘predictable’. However, it is often the difference between 70-92 and 92-70 for at least a couple teams each season.

        More importantly, it is the determinant between winning and losing. Not all batters are created equal, and similarly not all hits have the same value.

        It is the (1) difficulty of accessing a comprehensive enough database, plus (2) the laziness of statisticians, that leads to such conclusions by the likes of Bill James

      • da bear

        To Eric – even more to Rojo’s point: would u rather late in a one run or tied ballgame less than two outs have a batter hit a groundout that drives In a runner from third base or take a walk and depend upon a less gifted hitter in the lineup to succeed in bringing the runner home? Current sabermetrics (inaccurately) rewards the BB over the groundout.

      • VaRedsFan

        da Bear…You speak the truth man. Numbers guys think an at bat in the 1st with runners on is equal to one in the 8th when you are down a run.

        The difference is, pressure. In the 1st, you are relaxed and know there will be other opportunities later in the game. In the 8th, there aren’t any more chances, so the pressure is at it’s highest.

        Relaxed hitters will always outperform tensed up hitters.

        The people that have played the game know…people that write about it don’t.

      • Streamer88

        Keith must have never been the hot hand. I have. There is no doubt that for 2-3 weeks at a time the baseball can appear to be the size of volleyball. And other times it’s a blueberry.

    • Mark Moore

      Mr. Law has never been fond of our Queen City Redlegs. Never.

      • Doug Gray

        I can’t stand Keith Law. But let’s be real about this: He started writing about baseball and being “known” in the early 2000’s after his stint working in the Blue Jays front office. In that time how much good have the Reds actually done to warrant praise? Not a whole lot.

      • earmbrister

        I can’t stand Keith Law either. He’s almost as annoying, and know it all, as Mel Kiper.

      • Michael E

        good point Doug and we fellow fans agree for the most part. Some think Reds have done nothing good and others give out a bit too much praise, but in the end, the rebuild was inefficient and the good seasons lacked that extra move each season to truly try for a championship.

        Keeping Billy Hamilton starting was one of the worst, painful moves, aside from minimizing trade value of vets and expiring contracts.
        Frazier and Chapman were sold for peanuts compared to what could have been gotten a few months earlier for both. Sigh.

        I feel like MOST of the blame is Castellini’s, with little evidence to back that up. Some moves it just hard seeing a decent or even bad GM making, unless prodded behind the scenes by a meddling, short-sighted owner, overly sensitive to the small minority of fans (a few hundred maybe) that cared about not trading Frazier before or after the all-star game when his value was sky-high and we all knew it. Or the same few hundred that cared about Chapman shooting up his garage in some far away place and selling low with suspension looming. sigh.

  17. Ghettotrout1

    Hot Take – I think the FO saw how hard it was to get FA’s to sign in Cinci because the team was so bad the year before and realized that if they didn’t look serious no one was going to sign here anyway. Having a top 5 rotation in the game next year will entice more FA’s to actually want to come here or atleast take them serious.

    • Eric Wormus

      So long as Bob cries poverty, FAs won’t be willing to come here.

      • Ghettotrout1

        They didn’t cry poverty and actually tried to outbid teams this offseason it just didn’t work because no one wants to lose……..

    • IndyRedsFan

      I agree Ghetto. The Reds know it will be extremely difficult to get a FA pitcher of Bauer’s quality to come to GABP. Now, with Bauer they can focus on getting FA hitters….using the quality of the rotation as a selling point.

      My first reaction to the trade was disappointment, but thinking of it this way, I’m on board.

  18. Centerfield

    I noticed some comments in the media that the Padres did really well with this trade. That simply makes no sense. They traded their top power hitter and a MLB ready lefty and received an AA player who IS NOT a centerfielder and has shown only limited power. Cleveland picked up some offense for a stretch run, but gave up their best pitcher (and biggest headache.) If Cincy can generate some offense, they could still win their division. Ervin can replace Puig with little or no offensive drop-off. Reds have enough to start winning those 1-0 games. Hernandez to be activated today, so that they can trade him. Roark goes (Yankees?) as well. Reds post Allstar additions: Bauer, Wood, Barnhardt with Caselli and Reed on the horizon. Loses: Puig and probably Roark & Hernandez. I would say the Reds have improved. I also don’t care about the financial aspects, I’m a fan, it isn’t my money, I’m old, I want to see the Reds win now. +100 on this trade.

    • da bear

      U should care about the financial aspects. Bad financial decisions handicap the team, good ones enable more flexibility.

  19. Rusty

    My guess is the FO has somethings already set up to move Tanner Roark (Phillies maybe?). They’ve already back-filled his spot with an even better guy for next year, at what cost? A “top OF prospect”…TT having an off year at AA, won’t be mlb ready for a year or two, and when he gets there he could possibly be a 4th OF type…Reds have plenty of those types already. I like getting a proven above-average mlb starter, we have plenty of young OF’s who’ve already hit at the highest level. Trammel, Downs, and Gray were just names on a top prospect list, glad this FO is making moves to improve the big club!

  20. Klugo

    Reds must have other plans for their OF that don’t include Trammell. For whatever reasons.

  21. Jack

    I like Trammel but kind of view him like Ervin, good walk and strikeout rates but not hitting like you think he should given his eye and athletic talents and not really a center fielder. Ervin never really hit for average until the last couple years. His future is good but like Ervin he may be 25 or 26 before its real. Reds probably figure they have other options and can’t wait that long.

  22. Eric

    Love the trade. Reds gave up a lot(not not as much as pads)but they got the best player(in his prime) for a 2 month rental and 2 guys that might do something 2-4 years from now. We have waited long enough; its time to win now. Hopefully front office isn’t done. Roarks trade value just went up, Yankees are desparate, can we put a package together to get didi back?

  23. David

    This trade sort of reminds me of the acquisition of Latos, or when the Reds acquired Tom Seaver in 1977.

    In an economics sense, you reach a point of diminishing returns. But to get a really high quality pitcher, you have to pay a lot. You can’t get coal for ashes, as the late Bob Howsam used to say.
    I don’t think trading Trammel was too high a price to pay for getting Bauer. Bauer himself only wants one-year contracts after his present contract is up. And the Reds could resign him if he is happy here and the Reds are willing to pay.

  24. redsfan06

    Wondering if one of the reasons the Reds were willing to move on from Puig is his history of slow starts at the plate combined with Votto experiencing the same the last couple of years. As we saw this year, the team cannot withstand two of their top hitters scuffling at the same time coming out of the gate.

  25. Robert Strong

    Bauer has a career 3.79 ERA and a 4.26 in his last 15 starts. Hardly what I would call an ace pitcher and his last act as an Indian was throwing the ball over centerfield wall. At least Trammell was exciting to watch play! And again, if you can’t score runs, you can’t win. We have trouble scoring runs. And even when we have a starting pitcher, who gives us a lead, our relievers screw it up. We gave up a guy in Trammell we could have for a while, for a guy we rent for 1 year. How is that good decision making? Especially a guy who is electrifying on the bases and can generate runs. Look what we keep doing as an organization, we give up our best players they go to other teams and we are continuously being told we are building for our future. That has been the case for the last 20 years. Look at the track record. You can’t deny that our front office has not been communicated to winning? How is this trade any different than what we have done in the past 20 years?