The Cincinnati Reds (49-56) fell to the Pittsburgh Pirates (47-60) 11-4 on Tuesday night at Great American Ballpark.

BOX SCORE

The on-field performances were something, but they were completely overshadowed in the top of the ninth when Amir Garrett charged the Pirates dugout as if he were storming the keep, leading to the latest Reds and Pirates fight. This story needs some setup, though.

In the bottom of the seventh inning, with Derek Dietrich at the plate, Keone Kela decided to remind him that the Pirates still aren’t happy about that really long home run he hit at PNC Park, and threw a fastball high and tight. The umpires, predictably, did nothing about it. 

As the Reds came on to the field, in the top of the eighth, Joey Votto made his way toward the Pirates dugout and had a few words for Kela. Votto was demonstrative in his objection, so much so the umpire stepped in-between Votto and the Pirates. Bell then came out to talk to the umpires and seemed visibly upset. It didn’t take a lip reader to tell he was not happy that the umpires did nothing about Kela’s actions. 

It was at this time that the umpires warned both benches.

In the bottom of the eighth, Yasiel Puig was unhappy with a strike-one call from home plate umpire, Larry Vanover. Many batters, from both teams, had taken issue with Vanover’s strike zone on the night, but Puig threw his helmet after the strike-one call. Protecting his guy, Bell sprinted from the dugout and had some very angry words with the umpire, who promptly ejected him. Puig remained in the game, and actually drew a walk.

Then came the ninth. Jared Hughes entered from the bullpen and plunked Starling Marte on his left leg. Due to the warnings issued, he was immediately ejected, and so was acting manager Freddie Benavides. Enter Garrett. He quickly recorded an out, but then allowed a two-run homer to Jose Osuna. He was able to record the second out of the inning before all hell broke loose.

Looking at what happened, Trevor Williams, in the Pittsburgh dugout, was saying some things that Garrett did not like. The scoreboard was already frustrating, enough, but whatever Williams was saying pushed Garrett over the edge. The acting-acting manager Jeff Pickler tried to go out to the mound and calm him down, but Garrett threw his glove to the ground, sprinted toward the third-base dugout, and attempted to land a haymaker that would have knocked Williams flat. He slightly missed, but did still take Williams to the ground. 

It was at this point that Bell came running from the clubhouse, at Clint Hurdle, but was intercepted by a Pittsburgh assistant. They rolled on the ground for a minute, among the fray, before Bell was pulled up by some teammates. While they were holding him back, the camera got a great shot of him pointing at Hurdle and yelling “You’re a piece of $%&@!”

At this point Puig, who was reportedly traded to the Cleveland Indians in the eighth inning, was attempting to fight anyone in black and yellow. At one point there were five people trying to hold him back. Not that he probably was aware of this, at the time, but he was protecting guys who aren’t technically his teammates anymore. The reports on him, coming into Cincinnati in December, were absolutely false. He has been a model teammate, during his short stint here.

Here’s the video of the Reds and Pirates fight:

The Reds did hit a few homers:

Somehow, the Reds and Pirates have to play a series finale, tomorrow afternoon. It’s sure to be tense, and there will sure be suspensions.

45 Responses

  1. Seat101

    I am really curious about how all of this will shake out over the next couple of days.

    I think the bottom line is the umpires lost control of the game

  2. Lockersocks79

    -I’m going to miss Puig. The Reds needed a guy that played as passionately as Puig has for this team over the past 4 months. I’m happy to have Bauer but I don’t think Bauer’s going to put the team ahead of himself, I don’t think Bauer’s going to run for home from first to win a game, I don’t think he’s going to celebrate with the guys after a homer and I don’t think he’s going to spend time in the community. The deal makes our rotation look pretty wicked and we have enough depth in the OF to offset the trade but man oh man we don’t have the catalyst that Puig was on many nights this season.

  3. Colorado Red

    Larry did a terrible job, should have ejected the pitcher right away, and nothing happens.
    When bells comes to bat tomorrow, throw just over his head.
    Get the warning, and it is over.
    The Ump should be suspended for this.

    • MK

      I imagine the Bench Warnings will come pre-game so the first inside pitch would create an ejection.

      The Bell/Hurdle animosity make the Baker/LaRussa relationship look like a love fest.

  4. Aaron B.

    They did what had to be done and I commend them for it. It’s not good that it was Garrett, I would have preferred someone else to show them we are sick of their nonsense. I just can’t believe the league allows Clint Hurdle’s team to intentionally throw at guys. It happens every single series. No other team does this. They hold silly grudges from two months prior. They are crazy and degenerate. I am so proud of Bell for going after Hurdle. I know he will be criticized by many for it, but really how can you witness these dangerous shenanigans and not lose your temper? I like the Bauer trade too, even though we are a huge longshot to win the division, but it gives us hope. The rotation is rock solid now and 2020 seems like a legitimate year to make the playoffs if they can solve the inconsistent offensive woes and patch up the bullpen.

  5. CFD3000

    I wasn’t able to watch this game, and it’s rare that I’ll watch one knowing in advance the outcome. And especially when it’s an unhappy one. But between Votto’s bomb, Puig’s last game as a Red, the shouting and shoving and emotion from Puig, Garrett and Votto, I was thinking about watching it any way. But if Bell came out of the clubhouse to tell Clint Hurdle what he really thinks? Just try to keep me from watching that! It’s still just one loss, and I hope the Reds suspensions are minimal. But I do like the fire in the 2019 Reds.

  6. Tom Mitsoff

    Post-trade, the Reds’ outfield situation is likely to be Senzel in center most days, with Winker and VanMeter on the corners against righties, and Ervin and perhaps Aquino on the corners against lefties. This is of course pending any additional trades, and Roark would have to be seen as likely to be traded in the wake of this evening’s deal.

    • Pete

      I hope they don’t take half measures, VanMeter should be playing second base from here on. Scooter, like Puig, has been a cherished Red and always will be but it is incumbent on the Reds to field the best lineup. Time to get serious, 2020 can be special but the time for playing favorites should end.

      • CFD3000

        Agree Pete. There are four spots in the lineup for Senzel, Winker, Ervin, VamMeter, Aquino, Gennett and Dietrich. VanMeter should be starting every day. His natural spot is 2B. And Scooter and Derek are not the future of the Reds any more. JVM at second base every night for the next two months please.

    • Hanawi

      They’ll have to make a 40 man move to bring Aquino up. Not that there isn’t plenty of guys who could go.

    • BK

      While at AAA this year VanMeter and Aquino have hit lefties and righties equally well. The ML sample size for VanMeter is too small. Neither needs to be part of a platoon and both have earned extended looks. In contrast, Winker and Ervin are perfect platoon partners and should share LF. I’d play Aquino in RF and capitalize on VanMeter’s versatility (but mostly 2B) to get them on the field nearly every day and see how they perform.

  7. FreeHouse

    Clint Hurdle needs to get his. This has been going on for years and MLB does nothing. David Bell is a rider I really like him as a manager.

    • Pete

      Me too. I have to imagine he has endeared himself to his players and coaches not to mention the fans. Someone had to stand up to Hurdle and in no uncertain terms and Bell has. You would have to believe he is being celebrated in many clubhouses tonight. Hoping Joe Torre gets more phone calls and texts than he can handle.

  8. Lost11found

    Bell and Garrett (cotton too) are right to challenge the pirates bench rather than retaliate by throwing at the head of another player. If you like throwing at players, then Hughes handled it the best by hitting a guy in the thigh with an off speed pitch.

    Retaliation against the pirates wouldn’t solve anything. Saw hurdles PC and he is trying to take the moral high ground by saying reds came over to bench an Hughes getting tossed.

    • Lost11found

      Votto got AC’d into cotton. Blarg!

      • vegastypo

        Right, apparently the Pirates players were giving “atta-boys” to the pitcher who threw at Dietrich, which is what Votto was unhappy about.

  9. Jim Walker

    All I’ve got to say is that if John Tortorella didn’t already have a very deep and talented pool of defensemen at the CBJ, he probably would want to trade for Puig too. Can’t begin to imagine what a terror YP would be on skates with a hockey stick in hand in a game where hitting people was within the rules.

    • Sliotar

      Jim, see my post below.

      David Bell acted like he was auditioning to “Carry The Flag” (old CBJ tagline, but a goodie) as well.

    • Gonzo Reds

      Just look up Jerome Iginla Calgary Flames…

      Wild horse rides off North… been fun but love the trade!

    • Tom

      I can’t look at Puig without thinking he should have played ? Rugby. Fast, strong, big, coordinated, and fearless – that’s a hard combo to stop.

  10. vegastypo

    Whoa, Joe Girardi on MLB Network is saying he suspects the Reds are going to turn around and trade Bauer.

    • Sliotar

      The Pirates are who they have been for years….I could understand anyone in a Reds uniform feeling they have to defend themselves. A league office that won’t rein in a Pittsburgh team (hard to believe, I know).

      That said….

      1) Enough with the whining over ball and strike calls, especially early in the count. The Reds act like they are the 1927 Yankees offense. They aren’t. Far from it.

      2) David Bell needs a lengthy suspension for coming back out onto the field after being ejected. That is every bit as “chicken crap” as some of the other stuff we saw tonight.

      Bell is a MLB manager and a face of the team, not some hockey enforcer, kicked out after a fight, and coming back for revenge.

      • Jim Walker

        Even before tonight, I was wondering if Bell could be in danger of losing his job for both his personal ejections and what the Reds team ejection rate infers about his leadership and control (or lack thereof) over the players.

        It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Maybe they suspend him and also take him out of the dugout during games for an even more prolonged period?

      • Lockersocks79

        Sliotar, would you rather have a manager that sat in the dugout with his legs crossed while the Pirates picked off our batters like snipers at a shooting range?

        The only thing that sucked about this brawl was Puig taking on an entire team not realizing that the guys he’s fighting for traded him in for someone else.

      • Sliotar

        @Lockersocks79

        You are making my point.

        This is MLB, not the NHL of the 1980s.

        What is David Bell doing by coming back out? There are 25 players much younger than him, probably some Reds coaches, as well. He was ordered to leave….and chose to came back. To what? Fight?

        He has 8 ejections and now, clearly, has gotten sucked down to the Pirates level. Remeber, he said earlier in the season that he and the Reds were staying above all that. “Retaliation isn’t the answer” was the quote, or something like it.

        Coming back out after ejection gives the Pirates fuel to carry this on.

    • Lost11found

      Votto got AC’d into cotton. Blarg!

    • Pete

      Totally disagree, I’m 100% behind Bell on his actions tonight, the bully needed to be punched and Bell punched the bully. I respect him for his actions but more importantly I bet his team does. The interviews in the locker room after the game were telling.

      I do not like the arguing over balls and strikes, it’s dumb and counter productive. All teams and all players get lousy calls sometimes, it’s part of the game. If a bad call ends the game or is in playoff games, I get it but it’s still dumb to get thrown out even then.

      • VaRedsFan

        I concur with this. At least his last 2 ejections came when players were arguing over a pitch that was actually a strike.

        I also support Bell for sticking up to Hurdle, and his players.

  11. Jim Walker

    Word coming across Twitter that Taylor Trammell also goes to Cleveland, I guess somebody in the Reds front office believes JVM is for real?

    • CI3J

      Trammell to the Pads. It was a 3 team trade.

  12. Hanawi

    I think I would have rather had the 3 guys that the Padres sent to Cleveland for Trammell than Bauer.

  13. CI3J

    Well, many on here were saying the Reds were stacked in the OF, so the Reds made the move to trade from a position of strength. Puig to the Indians, Trammell to the Padres. Suddenly, the OF isn’t so stacked any more. But boy, if they are going to keep Bauer and Wood, this Reds rotation can match up with anybody now.

    Castillo
    Gray
    Wood
    Bauer

    Three of those pitchers have finished in the top 10 in Cy Young voting at some point in their careers, and I will be shocked if Castillo doesn’t join them at some point.

    Wood and Bauer were born 5 days apart, and are both 28 this year, meaning they are just now entering their prime. Gray is 29, and Castillo is 25. This is a rotation that is set up to win RIGHT NOW (again, assuming they can sign Wood), especially since the Reds have no shortage of viable candidates for the 5th spot, and could also easily fill it via FA if they don’t like any internal candidates (unlikely).

    Now, if they could just do something about the offense…. Now that Puig and Trammell are gone, I guess that means Senzel is locked into the OF. Given this, I would extend Scooter, as there really aren’t any better offensive players the Reds could put at 2B. Scooter is 29, once again, another player in his prime years, and he has proven he can put up All-Star calibre numbers at 2B. Keep him.

    The OF seems set now with Senzel/Winker/VanMeter/Ervin/Aquino vying for playing time. All are young and have room to grow, so that will be fun to watch, and this will be the key to this team taking a big step next year.

    Suarez is having a down year at 3B, but I have faith he will bounce back. Iglesias, like Scooter, is 29. PRIME YEARS, and signed for another season. He’s below average with the bat, but makes up for it with the defense.

    Then there’s Votto…. It’s sad to say, but Votto has been a 1.0 WAR player this year. You really need more offensive production out of the 1B position. The Reds last playoff runs were fueled by MVP Votto and his 6-7 WAR each year. Votto cannot give that any more. I would be shocked if he could ever even give 3 WAR again. Votto is going to turn 36 in about a month, and the Reds really need to start looking for what comes next at 1B after Votto if they plan to compete in the next 3 years. They also could use an upgrade at Catcher, but 1B has to be a priority. They simply HAVE to get more out of one of the prime offensive positions on the field.

    The rotation, if they sign Wood, is set to compete. The outfield, if the kids are for real, could really explode on offense. Suarez and Scooter should bounce back and put up All-Star level numbers next season. The key is figuring out 1B and Catcher.

    Interesting times in Redsland.

    • Lockersocks79

      I agree with your analysis of the pitching staff and some of the other things that you mentioned but I do have a few exceptions:

      – Suarez is down on average and OBP this year but it’s not that far off from other years. His average is down 2.5% But he’s killing the ball otherwise!

      – I like Scooter but you also have Van meter and Senzel that are capable of playing the position. I’m not oppose to signing Scooter but I believe there’s a few other strategies that the Reds might think about thy could work as well or better than Scooter locking down 2nd. Let’s see how he performs in August before rushing to sign him long term.

      – I love Votto, but I agree that he’s definitely begun decline. With that said though, he’s still Votto and that means a few things:

      1. If any players going to figure out how to hang on and be vital a few more seasons it’s Votto
      2. It’s Votto, he’s earned his place on this team and the Reds should find a way to slowly phase him out when it’s decided that he’s not productive enough to start.
      3. Vottos stayed in the past that when he gets to the point that he doesn’t contribute to the team any more, he’ll retire rather than stick around.

      – there’s not many options for a great offensive catcher. I’d love to have one but I’m also a bit old school in the thought that a catcher should help the pitcher control the game and protect the plate and bases first and a batter 2nd. In other words I’m not pressed on finding a catcher in a market that doesn’t have a great catcher available.

    • Gonzo Reds

      You forget we have 2 guys that can play 2B in the OF currently. One of them will be at 2B in 2020 unless Scooter wants to give the Reds a big home town discount to stay. Winker can also spell Joey more games at 1B.

    • TR

      I like your last sentence. It is interesting times in Redsland. Go on from the rebuild and bring the young guys up supported by strong starting pitching. What was needed is being done by the FO; stirring the pot. We’ll see what happens.

    • CFD3000

      I’m on a bit of a crusade to stop everyone thinking of JVM as an outfielder. He is a natural infielder, and because he’s athletic has handled LF pretty well when necessary. But he is not an every day outfielder. As Jim Walker has suggested, maybe he’s a Ben Zobrist type who plays every day, mostly at second but occasionally at third to spell Suarez, and in the outfield. But I think more likely he’s the starting 2B of the future. Which starts today. Play JVM at 2B, Winker / Ervin, Senzel and Aquino in the outfield. Sorry to say it, but I think Scooter’s best Reds days are now behind him. Free JVM – at second base.

  14. Westfester

    The suspensions handed down will be in the pointless length of 2-3 games for the most extreme fighters. If MLB really wanted to end intentional hitting and fights, they need to institute a mandatory minimum 10 game suspension for leaving the benches during a fight. If you actually fight, it will be a month.

    • Jim Walker

      Agree about stiff penalties for leaving the bench. That along with “third man in” sanctions is how hockey cleaned things up.

  15. Scott C

    The Pirates have consistently thrown at opposing batters and continually get away with it. When Archer hit Dietrich he got a 5 game suspension and all the Pirates did was move his start back a day. Bell is right, Hurdle is the main culprit or he has no control over his team. I personally believe the first. The evidence is there over several seasons, if MLb wants to stop this they can. If the umpire want to stop it they can. If not them the individual teams need to step up and stop it.

  16. LWblogger2

    Honestly, I think they should just go for round 2 today. Beginning of the game just the whole team rushes the Pirates dugout. No HBP, no bull, just action. Accept the consequences with the message being that if the league won’t defend batters against Hurdle’s blatant head-hunting, this sort of thing is going to happen. Yeah, it’s Bush League but it’s more fair and more straightforward than HBP quid pro quo games.

    • Pete

      This is where Puig’s trade will hurt the most. I was always afraid he might break someone’s neck, not purposely but just the guy’s mere strength unleashed.

  17. Ed

    Make sure you check out the Jomboy Media video breakdown on YouTube for the fight from last night. I think it’s hilarious.