After last night’s win, the Cincinnati Reds (46-53) have climbed out of the NL Central basement for the second time this season. They will look to earn the three game sweep over the Milwaukee Brewers (53-50) this afternoon at Miller Park. First pitch is at 2:10 EDT.

Starting Pitchers

Name IP ERA FIP xFIP K% BB%
Lucas Sims (AAA stats) 79.0 4.56 4.13 4.95 30.0% 10.6%
Jhoulys Chacin 85.2 5.67 5.67 5.26 19.4% 9.8%

REDS

With Tyler Mahle being sent to the IL on Monday, Lucas Sims makes his second start of the season this afternoon. In his first start on May 28, he faced the Pirates and pitched 7.1 brilliant innings, giving up four runs on six hits, while striking out nine and walking only one.

At Triple-A Louisville this season, Sims’ ERA of 4.56 was a little high in 79.0 innings. But he’s been steadily improving throughout the season and had a 0.75 ERA in two starts in July. What is most impressive is the 30.0% K% that Sims has at Triple-A. He’s been a strikeout machine, including 10 and 13 strikeouts in back-to-back outings in April and an 11 strikeout performance on July 4.

Sims throws four pitches: a four-seamer, curve ball, change up, and sinker. However, I’d expect to see mostly the four-seamer and the curve today. He’s only thrown his change up 9.2% of the time, and he’s thrown the sinker on exactly one pitch thus far this season.

Christian Yelich is 1-for-6 with a double and four walks against Sims. Ben Gamel and Yasmani Grandal are the only other Brewers position players to face Sims. They are each 0-for-2 against him.

BREWERS

In 2018, Jhoulys Chacin had a career year. With a 3.50 ERA and a 4.03 FIP in 192.2 innings, he was one of the leaders of the Brewers rotation last season. He had a career high 156 strikeouts,  allowed only 18 home runs, and was a key reason why the Brewers went to the NLCS. But, oh, how things have changed in 2019. In 85.2 innings this season, his ERA sits at nearly 6.00.

Chacin is still striking out batters at roughly the same rate and his walk total is about the same, but the number of home runs he’s allowed has been a problem. He’s already allowed 18 home runs in 2019, which is the total number he allowed all of last season. It’s not like he’s had a good stretch and has fallen into a rough stretch. He’s been consistently bad this year. However, if you look back at his career, he’s been a very up and down pitcher from season to season. Even when he played for the Rockies at Coors Field, he had an ERA of 3.47 in 2013. The next year in 2014, he had an ERA of 5.40.

There are a couple of Reds players that hit Chacin very well. Yasiel Puig leads the way, with a 1.231 OPS against him.

Lineups

REDS BREWERS
1. Nick Senzel (CF)
2. Joey Votto (1B)
3. Jesse Winker (LF)
4. Yasiel Puig (RF)
5. Josh VanMeter (3B)
6. Scooter Gennett (2B)
7. Jose Iglesias (SS)
8. Juan Graterol (C)
9. Lucas Sims (P)
1. Lorenzo Cain (CF)
2. Christian Yelich (RF)
3. Yasmani Grandal (C)
4. Ryan Braun (LF)
5. Eric Thames (1B)
6. Keston Hiura (2B)
7. Orlando Arcia (SS)
8. Tyler Saladino (3B)
9. Jhoulys Chacin (P)

 

News and Notes

-Eugenio Suarez is hot right now, so of course, he gets today off. He’s earned it.

-The Louisville Bats and the Billings Mustangs both won via a walk-off last night.

Final Thoughts

Last night, I was driving home listening to the game as I usually do when the Reds are playing and I’m in the car. Marty was just coming back to the mic for the fifth inning. He started talking about the Brewers broadcasters honoring him with gifts and Skyline Chili before the game yesterday.

He talked about how Milwaukee is one of the cities he’s going to miss the most, and then he launched into a story involving himself, Bob Uecker and Tommy Thrall at spring training. He did all of this while continuing to call an inning that was full of Reds scoring. It was very Vin Scully-esque.

Anyway, it got me thinking about how it’s nights like the perfect summer night that was last night that I’m going to miss Marty the most. He has such a way of being able to paint the picture of the game, while still entertaining the audience.

I know that Marty isn’t very popular among some in Reds country and I understand why. I too have not agreed with his past comments about players, namely a certain first baseman. But I find it a little sad that in his swan song summer when we should be enjoying the voice of our childhood for the last time, all I see is complaints about his analysis. How about for one game, instead of worrying and complaining about what advanced stats weren’t mentioned on a broadcast, we all just sit back in our cars or on our back porches and let his voice take us back to when we were kids and all we cared about was listening to baseball?

134 Responses

  1. Phil Gasson

    TV volume down listening to Marty. Next year all Marty detractors will wish he was back. Waite, Al, Marty…we’ve been lucky to have spent thousands of evenings with the best.

    • Sliotar

      I will miss Marty terribly. Last of his kind to fearlessly “tell it like he sees it”, right or wrong to others.

      But, Father Time is undefeated and his performance (and interest, maybe?) has declined.

      The only silver lining is perhaps, maybe, hopefully….the Reds will not feel wedded to his son forever.

      It is matter of time before Thom says something on-air that will force the Reds to reign him in. It’s always like the team won’t do it now, in deference to Marty.

      • Ashley Davis

        I too think there is a greater chance that Thom won’t be a Reds announcer after Marty retires. The Reds have to know how much complaining there is about Thom on a nightly basis.

      • Pete

        And no one need worry about Thom, he’ll land on his feet if he is removed from his duties to the Reds. He doesn’t bother me but I realize he bothers many others. Jim Day is ready to assume Thom’s position.

      • ToBeDetermined

        Ashley

        Agreed. That’s because the Reds brass reads these posts after every game. 🙂

        And Pete. Agreed. As I mentioned before I’ve listened to Thom on national broadcasts for Football and Basketball and think that he does a fine job.
        I just think this Reds gig is a “round peg square hole” where he is concerned.

  2. Sliotar

    2 years ago, around Labor Day… the Reds swept the Brewers in Cincinnati in a 3-game series.

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/schedule/_/name/cin/season/2017

    Scores were 5-4, 9-3, 7-1. I remember Craig Counsell at the time looking so exasperated, like thinking, “we can’t get swept by the Reds and put our playoff hopes in jeopardy.”

    The Brewers missed the playoffs in 2017 by 2 games.

    Same kind of feel now.

    Brewers really need this game, and if they get swept today, this time around, Reds would be only 4 games behind them.

    Go Redlegs.

    • Shchi Cossack

      How ironic that Milwaukee would make a perfect landing spot for Roark prior to the trade deadline, maybe asking for Mauricio Dubon in exchange for Roark.

      I really like Roark, but the Reds need to make a serious effort to move him before the trade deadline. I would not be adverse in trying to bring Roark back on a 1-2 year FA contract during the off season.

      • ToBeDetermined

        Schi
        “How ironic that Milwaukee would make a perfect landing spot for Roark prior to the trade deadline”
        I know I was thinking the same thing. He goes out and beats the Brewers then his next start or two he may be trying to get that game back wearing a blue uniform with a wheat logo.

  3. VaRedsFan

    I’m hoping, going forward, that Lavarnway gets 2 out of 3 starts or more, instead of every other game. Day games after night games don’t count.

  4. Jeff Gangloff

    Marty made a comment the other day:

    “Analytics are great for pitchers and great for hitters – but they are straight up ruining baseball.”

    I think this sums up Marty’s view (and mine sometimes) pretty well. He gets why analytics are useful and he understands how and why they are used – but he just doesn’t like how they have changed baseball. I think that’s completely fair.

    • ToBeDetermined

      Jeff

      I heard that comment also.
      I thought he made an interesting point.

    • Ghettotrout1

      I agree. I understand them but it makes watching this game not nearly as fun.

  5. Chris

    Bell a moron to sit the hottest hitter in baseball IF we are supposedly “playing for 2019.” Somebody please tell me why on earth he would sit today? Just off All Star break, we all get a day off tomorrow, you are 28 years old. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

    • greenmtred

      Maybe so he doesn’t burn out later in the season. Maybe he’s got a ding of some kind. We don’t know, but it isn’t necessarily dumb. If the Reds were in serious contention right now, it might be different, but players–even 28 year-olds–need days off.

      • Wayne nabors

        And he’ll have one tomorrow,needs to play today

  6. CFD3000

    I don’t think I’d be happy listening to Marty every day, but on the rare occasion that I’m in radio range of Cincinnati it is a treat to get some play by play nostalgia from Marty. He is an all time great, and I will sorely miss “And this one belongs to the Reds” when he’s gone.

    As for today’s game, I’m glad to see Votto in the lineup day game after night. I’m hoping that he’s decided he’s not actually old and gets back to playing, and hitting, every day. I honestly think he ended 2017 with a near MVP season and decided “I’m not going to let Father Time catch me just yet, so I’m going to make a bunch of preemptive adjustments”. But it turns out a) they didn’t work very well, and b) they weren’t necessary. He may never be MVP Votto again, but I’m convinced he is still All Star Votto if he just gets back to basics. Here’s hoping.

    Finally, glad to see VanMeter starting, but disappointed that Gennett is too. I think Scooter is done, but I’m hoping he proves me wrong. Time for a sweep. Go Reds!

    • VaRedsFan

      I concur with your entire middle paragraph. People kept telling me his disaster in the last 1.5 is age related…that he was incapable of delaying father time. I refused to believe. In fact, if people just watched the games, you could see that it was his approach that changed, not just the months on the calendar.

      Now this little 5 game surge may not last an eternity, but I think it is more sustainable than his previous approach.

  7. rex

    I thought Geno looked tired last night and the night before too……he should have been rested both of those nights too.

  8. Michael Smith

    I will miss the waxing poetically Marty. The man can paint a picture and tell a story. I will not miss angry Marty.

    • ToBeDetermined

      Michael
      Great point !
      The man is talented.
      But, just the rest of us he is also flawed.

  9. Pete

    Ashley, great story about you listening to Marty. I’m with you, MB is an original and I’ll miss him badly. Many people don’t care for his opinionated style or his opinions period. I don’t mind I form my own but his style of play-by-play is among the greatest I have ever heard.

  10. Pete

    This looks like a trap game:
    Day game? yes
    Get away game? yes
    Blasted the opponent day before? check
    Going for a series sweep? Yup

    This is a big game to me to see if they can come up big today. Joey Votto is raking! Never thought I’d ever see this again. So happy for him, the team, and the fans.

    • ToBeDetermined

      Pete

      I feel what your feelin regarding Joey.
      I didn’t watch the game but watched the highlights after the game.
      I normally just watch each snippet and move on to the next.
      After I saw Joey’s home run I think I replayed it about 5 times.
      Wow, did he get his hips out of the way and just crush that ball. I haven’t seen him do that in 10 years. It looks like the guy may have some life left in him.

  11. CI3J

    Oh no….

    Senzel with the vertigo again?

    • Tom Mitsoff

      Gameday says Senzel got a hit and was replaced by Phillip Ervin as a pinch runner.

    • Pete

      Looked like Nick was having difficulties with his balance when he reached 1st base.

    • Jeff Gangloff

      Senzel looked dizzy/nauseous on first base. Took him out for Irvin.

    • ToBeDetermined

      Seat

      That is why I jumped into the Redlegnation a few minutes ago. I saw the box score with Senzel being replaced. I thought, hamstring or vertigo.

  12. Shchi Cossack

    DANG IT!!! Looks like vertigo is back.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      Please let us who can’t watch or listen know what you find out.

  13. Shchi Cossack

    After working the count full, Senzel lined a single to RF, but after passing 1B, he turned back and appeared VERY dizzy. He was removed immediately and looked shaky just walking beck to the dugout.

    • CI3J

      Yeah, he was definitely feeling something. I noticed he made it a point to stare into his helmet the whole time he was talking.

      Probably all the bright light and shiny helmets don’t help much with his condition. I’ve had a few panic attacks in my day, and I imagine it’s somewhat similar. Hope he’s in the training room with soft light and is comfortable.

      • ToBeDetermined

        CI3
        Interesting you mentioned about staring into his helmet.

        I had never had any issues with dizziness before until I was at Paul McCartney concert about 3 years ago and they went into the song “Helter Skelter”, with the music and the way they did they light show and the lazers (in a helter skelter manner). I suddenly got dizzy, sat down closed my eyes tight and put my hands over my ears. I couldn’t wait for that song to end.

    • Michael Lieb

      Didn’t Senzel have an issue with Migraine headache last time they were in Milwaukee, could there be something about the lighting there?

  14. RedsMonk65

    That cannot be good at all. Keep us up-to-date for those of who can’t watch/listen to the day game.

  15. Wayne nabors

    Yes he was shaky going back to dug out,actually had to reach out to get help to stand at 1st

  16. Shchi Cossack

    Absolute pitch-around to Puig. Hope VanMeter make Chacin pay.

  17. Shchi Cossack

    Craig Counsell is ODing on sunflower seeds watching his dry tinder of a pitching staff.

    • vegastypo

      Gee, if only the Reds had a veteran starter whom the Reds could trade to the Brewers. Maybe even somebody who just pitched in this series. If only.

  18. VaRedsFan

    It wouldn’t be a Reds-Brewer Series if Braun didn’t homer

  19. RedsMonk65

    Stupid Braun. Let’s raise him with an Ervin.

  20. Shchi Cossack

    Sims just made Cain and Yelich look foolish at the plate. That’s was an impressive beginning, but a walk and a 3-2 pitch to Braun for HR stopped that momentum.

  21. Pete

    Votto is really hitting, puling the ball too.

  22. VaRedsFan

    Another pulled base hit on the down and in pitch by Votto! Reds lead 3-2!

    • Pete

      He looks great. You spotted the changes before anyone else that I know of. Has he had a check swing in the last three games? Man, he looks so confident up there.

  23. Jon

    Has Votto begun one of his Votto-second-half runs that he also did in 2015 and 2016?

    • Tom Mitsoff

      Let’s hope. He is looking fantastic at the plate right now.

      • Shchi Cossack

        Everything Votto is hitting now is a hard line drive. He fouled a line drive off the facing of the 2nd deck, just 15 feet foul, in the 1st inning.

  24. Shchi Cossack

    Ervin lines a solid line drive single to LF that Braun whiffs, then kicks into the corner for an error, allowing Ervin to reach 2B. Votto follows with a line drive single, driving in Ervin.

  25. vegastypo

    Have there been rumors about the Reds pursuing Charlie Blackmon of the Rockies ? Marty asked C Trent about it during the ‘reporter’ inning, but I didn’t hear the answer.

    • Shchi Cossack

      Gosh, I hope not. Blackmon is a product of Coors Field.

      2019
      Home .415/.470/.848/1.318
      Away .237/.267/.392/.659

      Career
      Home .350/.409/.591/1.000
      Away .259/.311/.426/.737

  26. RedAlert

    Pow !!! This kid can handle the bat man !!

  27. Redgoggles

    Maybe Suarez is getting traded. #freetheJVM

  28. ClevelandRedsFan

    Uncle Phil and DJ Jazzy Josh!

    • ToBeDetermined

      Just like Roger Daltry sang it.
      you can sign it again

  29. Roger Garrett

    Kid can hit.Hit around 350 all year at AAA.Just needs to play and as much as possible but Reds just don’t play young guys regardless and I have never understood that at all.Its one thing if you are a winning team but when you are a losing team you just have to find a place for guys to play especially if they can play multiple positions.He is 24 years old and he just looks like he belongs as a hitter.Will he struggle,of course but so does everybody else.Can he be at second base next April?Find out for goodness sake please.

    • Satcmo

      VanMeter isn’t part of the future; he’s part of the here and now.

      Let the kid play.

  30. RedsMonk65

    I’ve never seen a team have this many injuries to their catchers. Bad break. That’s four and counting, now. Who’s the backup in case Lavarnway goes down?

      • Matt V

        @vegastypo – I missed what actually happened, but I saw them taking him out and they mentioned he’s undergoing the concussion protocol.

      • Tom Mitsoff

        He got hit with a foul ball in the face mask, similar to what happened to Farmer.

    • Matt V

      On TV they showed Suarez in the dugout squatting and catching some pitches. I’m guessing that makes him the backup to the backup to the backup to the backup.

      • RedsMonk65

        Fay and C. Trent are guessing Van Meter as the emergency backup.

      • ToBeDetermined

        Monk

        I would agree. VanMeter would make sense.
        I can here it now. “Hey kid, nice hit, now put on the catchers gear”

      • RedsMonk65

        They were saying whoever makes the least money and has the least number of starts is often tabbed in cases of emergency. So, Van Meter.

    • Redgoggles

      I heard last night that Farmer was close (and Tucker next week.)

      • vegastypo

        Bell said on the pregame show that Barnhart is ready for a rehab assignment, and that it probably wouldn’t be a very long rehab assignment since he hasn’t been out of action all that long …

    • ToBeDetermined

      Monk
      I already said that when it was 3 catchers within a few weeks.
      Now 4 !!!

  31. Shchi Cossack

    Trade Roark…trade Puig…open up 40-man roster spots and improve the minor league prospects.

    Plug VanMeter into the starting lineup for 2 months.

    Promote Aristides Aquino to the 40-man and 25-man rosters and plug him into the starting lineup for 2 months.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      Cossack, you don’t like Puig?

      • Shchi Cossack

        I like Puig a lot. I also like Roark. It’s about contracts. I think Puig has serious value in trade at the deadline this season and he is not signing an extension before becoming FA. I would welcome Puig back in 2020 on a FA contract if the price is right, but I think Puig’s FA contract will be too long and too much $$$ to make sense for the Reds.

      • Tom Mitsoff

        What do you think of the idea of making Puig a qualifying offer after the season if they don’t trade him?

  32. Roger Garrett

    As usual the Old Cossack speaks with wisdom.

  33. Pete

    Ervin is a hitting machine. Line drive after line drive, it’s all he does.

  34. CI3J

    How about Ervin? I keep waiting for him to cool off and come back to earth, but he just keeps on hitting.

    I imagine his BABIP must be sky high and he’s probably due for regression at some point, but boy is he going good right now.

    • Shchi Cossack

      Senzel may make that decision. If his vertigo has returned, he may be out for the rest of the season. Winker-Ervin-Aquino form at the lf to rf with VanMeter at 2B. the Reds get 2 months to evaluate the hot-shot youngsters MLB level AND in a playoff race against the best competition the opponents can put on the mound.

      • Pete

        I like how you think.

        And if all works out well, next year becomes real interesting. Without a doubt a young, up and coming team that will have to be reckoned with. If Nick is good to go, could the Reds move Suarez to SS and put Senzel at 3B. It could be a line up to remember.

  35. Shchi Cossack

    Sims is dealing and the Reds knock Chacin out after just 3 IP, getting to the Brewers already overworked bullpen.

    • CI3J

      I think Chacin was injured. Too bad, he was cruisin’ for a bruisin’ if he’d stayed in. I could see the Reds jumping on him for another 5 runs.

      But I’ll take the overworked Brewer bullpen too.

      Knock on wood.

      • Shchi Cossack

        “Knock on ‘Wood'”.

        That may be Alex Wood within a week.

  36. Pete

    Josh gets a triple and he hits for the cycle.

  37. Seat101

    Whenever I get a chance to listen to the game on the radio or get a peek at the TV it seems that they’re always playing Abba music in the background.I guess Wisconsin loves Swedish music?

      • Seat101

        I really enjoy your comments. Are you a new poster or just a more frequent one?

      • RedsMonk65

        Gracias. Longtime reader. More frequent poster of late.

    • ToBeDetermined

      Seat
      I’ll have to listen for that next time.

    • doofus

      Many Swedes in WI. I lived in Appleton for 5 years. I had season tickets at Lambeau. my oldest son has them now.

  38. Shchi Cossack

    Sims has thrown 58 pitches thru 4 innings, but very efficient since his 22-pitch 1st inning. If Sims gets thru or to the 6th, I hope DB has the bullpen ready for a quick hook if necessary.

    • Shchi Cossack

      Hiura looks like a good young player. I wish he was under contract to the Reds. Now Braun, I can’t stand.

      • Tom Mitsoff

        Hiura is going to plague the Reds for years to come.

      • RedsMonk65

        Me too. Still can’t stand him. Since he’s a Brewer.

      • TR

        I’ve never liked Braun and his imperious attitude, plus he hits well.

  39. vegastypo

    Ya know, so often I see a guy dive when it doesn’t look like he really needed to, but that catch Sims just made was spectacular in the effort required. Full extension, dodging the catcher. Amazing.

    • Shchi Cossack

      VanMeter demonstated some impressive agility to avoid stepping on his starting pitcher.

  40. Shchi Cossack

    Sims making a HUGE impression after a diving defensive play in foul territory and a strong pitching performance against a dangerous Milwaukee lineup at Miller Park.

    • Shchi Cossack

      I’m on record in full support of Bell’s decision to pull Sims in favor of Garrett to face Yelich with 2 outs in the 5th.

      • Grand Salami

        Garrett appeared rusty. Or something. He did not look like the guy before he was disabled.

        Senzel out bc of “illness”. Marty says that really narrows it down. Ha!

      • Chris

        Dumb. Bell continues to mis and over manage. Don’t even let Sims have chance to be pitcher of record? This isn’t the playoffs, he had fine pitch count. Then, instead of Peralta goes to Amir in the 5th??? Not fair to either Lucas or Amir.

    • Grand Salami

      He surrendered all his runs in his first outing on his last batter. A grand Salami.

      This time he gets touched for 3 and Amir costs him two more. He has pitched a little better than his line.

  41. Bruuuuuccceee

    Garrett’s slider betrayed him this afternoon.

  42. RedsMonk65

    Looks like this game is beginning to slip through the Reds’ fingers. They will need to score (many) more runs.

    Battle of the Bullpens

    • Shchi Cossack

      And score quickly…otherwise the Reds will get a full dose of Hader.

      • RedsMonk65

        We definitely want to avoid that.

      • Grand Salami

        Didn’t avoid and he makes Votto, Winker and Puig look silly. Buzzsaw through heart of the order in the 7th with more to come. He is everything Raisel wishes he was.

  43. Grand Salami

    Looks like joeys swing has a hole in it high within the zone. According to Gamecast it was three straight fastballs is nearly identical locations.

  44. Roger Garrett

    Reds do what they have done all year long and I am not being critical just stating facts.Fall asleep at the plate and it lasts and lasts then the game is over.Hader of course is good but the guys before him aren’t.Council looks like a genius getting his guy out early although there was something about an injury but I am not sure.Just tease us enough to keep us around but boy oh boy a sweep would have been nice.

  45. Roger Garrett

    Peralta will leave no doubt on this one.Goodness he is just awful isn’t he?

  46. Tom Mitsoff

    Nice job by Peralta to get out of it!

  47. Roger Garrett

    No.That was a great job to get out of that!

  48. Pete

    Hader reminds me of Randy Myers and Norm Charlton back in the day. Nothing but heat and comes right at you. Lots of attitude on the mound.

    • Sliotar

      Ultra high K rate.
      Can’t put the ball in play enough to rally

      5Ks today of the 6 outs.

      Brewers are off tomorrow. Hader coming back for third inning?

      • Sliotar

        Nope. He’s out.

        Reds gonna get a real chance in 9th.

  49. Pete

    If Peralta gets a save, he’ll have to earn it.

    • Roger Garrett

      Pete,it was easy for Peralta.Brewers pen goes 6 innings gives up 3 hits and no runs.One of the worst pens in baseball reminds us one more time who we have been over the entire season.

      • Pete

        Help may be on the way. Per MLB.com’s front page the following teams have a need for Puig:
        Yankees
        Indians
        A’s
        Rays
        Phiilies
        Cards

        Let the bidding begin. Note: Reds don’t want your old beat-down veterans, shows the top prospects in your farm systems and we’ll get back to you.

        Roger, I’m all about the future and I’m liking what I’m seeing. Ervin and VanMeter having big games is better than a win, IMO.

  50. RedsMonk65

    Bummer. Got the series, at least, though the sweep would have been nice.

    All in all, a good showing in Milwaukee after starting out so lackluster after the AS break.

    Back home after the off-day for the Rockies. Hope Senzel is going to be OK.

  51. Pete

    After today’s game, this is the updated wRC+’s of our youngsters:
    Winker: 108
    VanMeter: 113
    Senzel: 108
    Ervin: 165

    I’m starting to like the Reds future. Let’s go out and add some more talented youth to the squad.

  52. Ron Payne

    I would like to see what kind of numbers VanMeter could put up as an everyday player. Not sure what his best spot in the field would be, but it seems like he can play multiple positions.

    Would love to see the Reds pull off a blockbuster trade with Arizona to get Ketel Marte and Robbie Ray. Marte is signed through 2022 with very affordable options in 23 and 24. Ray would give us a solid lefty to go with Castillo and Gray. I think he has 1-2 years of control left.
    I realize it would take an unbelievable package to get it done, but they both would be perfect fits on this team.