Redleg Nation has had moments of high hopes in 2019 – a sweep of the Houston Astros, and shortly thereafter winning five of seven against the Cubs and Brewers. And then, there have been moments like Friday night, when David Hernandez surrendered a late lead in Denver, leading to a third consecutive Reds loss.

Former Cleveland Browns and Baltimore Ravens owner Art Modell once described one of his primary roles as owner as, “I sell hope.” As Reds fans, we actually do have some hope in July for the first time in many a moon. So losses like Friday’s sting a bit more than ones that occur when your team has no pitching to speak of and is double-digits in games behind. They sting when you begin to believe that your team has at least two starting pitchers that are of “ace” quality, but that your team seems unable to capitalize on that good fortune.

The Reds try to come out of this particular dip in the season when they face the Rockies in the second game of a three-game set at Coors Field in Denver. Game time is 8:10 p.m. Eastern time.

Starting Pitchers

Tanner Roark 92.1 3.51 4.42 23.2% 7.6%
Kyle Freeland 59.1 7.13 5.36 18% 9.2%

Roark has been surprisingly effective for the Reds this year, at least compared to his recent seasons with the Nationals. It appears that he is fitting perfectly into Manager David Bell’s strategy of having a quick hook once the starting pitcher starts through the batting order for the third time. Or, perhaps Bell’s strategy fits Roark’s strengths and limitations like a glove. He has been mentioned as a possible pre-deadline trade candidate, but it seems unlikely that he would be able to attract enough of a return in prospects to motivate Dick Williams and Nick Krall to surrender one of their starters – at least, if they remain in the playoff race prior to July 31. Lefthander Freeland has struggled mightily this season after what appeared to be a breakout season in 2018.


All hands should be available tonight. It will be interesting to see for how much longer Manager David Bell believes using David Hernandez in high-leverage situations makes sense. Friday night would have been the perfect moment to use Raisel Iglesias against the All-Star-laden top of the Rockies order in the eighth inning – in the high-leverage, non-save role that Iglesias has filled on a handful of occasions previously this season.

Starting Lineups

Reds Rockies
CF Nick Senzel RF Charlie Blackmon
1B Joey Votto SS Trevor Story
3B Eugenio Suarez CF David Dahl
RF Yasiel Puig 3B Nolan Arenado
LF Phillip Ervin 1B Daniel Murphy
SS Jose Iglesias LF Raimel Tapia
2B Jose Peraza 2B Ryan McMahon
C Curt Casali C Chris Iannetta
P Tanner Roark P Kyle Freeland

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154 Responses

  1. matt hendley

    Missed in last nights uproar, the Angels while all wearing tyler Skaggs number, threw a combined No No. Powerful stuff.

    Trading season has begun- BOS picks up Andrew Cashner for Prospects and Cash.

    GUess Scooter is sick again.

    Go reds

    • RojoBenjy

      Matt- according to your theory tonight is an L.

      I hope not though.

      • matt hendley

        A double switch could alter that though

      • RojoBenjy

        If the errors and mental mistakes haven’t cost too much that is.

      • matt hendley

        I am not going to lie, I was crying a bit at the Tyler Skaggs memorial No hitter recap. Crazy, the Angels really showed up for him.

        Going back to RHB hitters that can play second. I was in Ann Arbor for College a few years back and picked up the tigers a little bit. (this was when they were good including the 2012 World series) I get notified by ESPN about their games. Lately all I see is, Brandon Dixon hits a HR, or Brandon Dixon scores, or Brandon Dixon RBIs someone in. Real mistake by the reds to DFA him.

        Anyone know when the Rain delay is supposed to lift?

    • vegastypo

      I’m fairly certain that even if Scooter is over his illness, they wouldn’t let him anywhere near a field that is going to be as wet as Coors Field if it rains for an hour or two … Except maybe to pinch hit. Maybe.

  2. doofus

    This sums up this season. 10 more wins puts the Reds 4 games up in first place.

    “Sonny Gray’s 7 IP, 1 run start last night was the 47th game this season a #Reds SP has limited the opposition to <=2 runs. "

    "They are only 29-18 in those games."

    via Twitter

    • doofus

      .250 batting averages from your prime hitters does not cut it. Votto, Suarez, Winker, Puig.

      • wkuchad

        .250 batting average in a vacuum by itself tells you little about the performance of your prime hitters

      • Jim Walker

        Run Expectancy Wins (REW) in 2019:
        Puig 1.03
        Suarez 0.88
        Votto 0.77
        Winker -0.72

        Puig comes in at #76 on the Fangraphs leaderboard for REW. Need we delve any deeper?

        BTW, Trout leads at 5.91 followed by Bellinger at 4.91, and Yelich at 4.52

  3. Don

    every player other than Iglesias on the team which has more than 200 AB is hitting 20 to 40 points below their career average.

    An entire roster does not forget how to hit, there has to be something in the perpetration/coaching/change of approach at the plate that is the root cause.

    Players look like they are thinking and worried about what the analysis of the AB will be when reviewed the next day or whenever that is done. They do not look relaxed and they all look to be trying to hard.

    Hitting has to be instinctual and reacting to the pitch, if the brain is thinking the body is not reacting.

    Hopefully the team can relax and get our of their majority of the year hitting funk tonight in the most hitter friendly ball park of MLB.

    • VaRedsFan

      Don is correct. It is sort of the reason they have so many blowout wins. Once the pressure is off, everybody relaxes, and hitting becomes easy and the runs come in bunches. There is a saying in golf….play golf….not golf swing. The same thing applies to hitting.

  4. Klugo

    Senzel is my favorite lead off option on the team.
    Still no Scooter. He has to return to form for us to have a chance.

    • RojoBenjy

      Just like Ryan Ludwig was going to push the 2013 Reds to win the division.

  5. Don

    according to accuweather app, rain , heavy for at least 2 more hours at Coors field. clearing by 9 PM Denver time. almost 7PM now.

    Looks like more late Sunday as well so they will probably wait it out tonight as no chance of a double header with the reds needing to be in Chicago for game Monday.

    • Colorado Red

      In addition to that, Col has a double header vs SF on Monday.
      Cannot do 2 DH is a row I am sure.

  6. Klugo

    Looks like a midnight EST start time

    • TR

      That’d be ten o’clock in Denver with a 1:10 p.m. game there tomorrow.

  7. Seat101

    With the exception of a certain journey man shortstop, many Reds players have very low BABIP.

    This should correct throughout the rest of the season.

    • TR

      I don’t expect much improvement in the Red’s offense until the hitting coach is replaced.

    • VaRedsFan

      Are you trying to say pop ups to the 2nd baseman will eventually start falling in?

      • Seat101

        If you’re not familiar with BABIP I suggest you take a quick tutorial.

    • vegastypo

      Yeah, it really is too bad the Reds don’t have someone on their bench who hits even worse, luck or no luck, and plays quite significantly worse defense, to use instead of that journeyman shortstop. Too bad indeed.

  8. Tom Mitsoff

    First pitch now expected at 9:20 p.m.Mountain Time (11:20 Eastern)

    • RedsMonk65

      I’m Tom’s echo.

      Must have been typing at the same time. 🙂

  9. Sliotar

    What is this sorcery?

    I come in, from a late dinner out, expecting to be just in time for David Hernandez’s nightly appearance. (Too soon?)

    Instead, full night of Mile High Excitement still ahead. Awesome.

    These photos of Rockies waiting, I guess in the little area right down steps from dugout most teams have (?), seem cool to me. Everyone, players and fans, in same boat.

  10. vegastypo

    Roark not happy at how long it took Ervin to get the ball back to the infield. Pitchers have to be getting tired of some of the Reds’ gaffes defensively.

  11. vegastypo

    And then Puig spikes his throw back to the infield, let the batter get to second as well. This ain’t starting very nicely.

    • daytonnati

      Can’t blame this one on Peraza … yet.

      • RedAlert

        Looks like a waste of time – Rockies
        taking batting practice

        P.S. Phil Ervin is an atrocious outfielder and Votto is killing this team in the 2 hole

  12. Wayne nabors

    It all started with another free hit by the shift,bell gonna live and die by it

    • vegastypo

      I’m fairly certain the shift has taken away a lot more hits than it has allowed. Just bad look that he barely made contact, left his bat in many pieces. I’m more worried about some of the hard contact that has followed.

  13. RedsMonk65


    Maybe I’ll just go to bed …

  14. Seat101

    I keep getting hijacked when I try to get into this site.

    Anyway, it’s time for this one to go to bed. I may be 64 but my five-year-old gets me up at 6:30. Keep the hate up on Peraza because that’s what you people do.
    If that’s what makes you happy…It sure is heck doesn’t make you proud

  15. Seat101

    Another cheap it for Peraza. Let the micturating begin

    • Sliotar

      Too lazy to look it up, but 2 runs in an inning without a HR involved.

      Doesn’t feel like that has happened a lot in the last few weeks.

    • Wayne nabors

      You may be fairly certain ,but I watch most every game and reds have been burnt by the shift on a regular basis this year.can’t afford to pitch a 300 hitter outside with no 3rd baseman,but they did

      • vegastypo

        There were stats on this website awhile back that indicated the Reds were among the best in the league, maybe MLB, at getting outs with the shift. Yeah, it’s gonna give up some hits, but it takes away more hits, such as up the middle and in the hole at second, for example. … Ones like tonight’s stand out more.

  16. Sliotar

    Really, I am staying up for Seat’s 101 commentary when Peraza goes 4 for 4, leads the team to a win….and most of Reds Country is asleep and won’t believe. Gonna be lit.

  17. Tom Mitsoff

    Roark appears to have absolutely nothing tonight.

  18. Sliotar

    Senzel as leadoff tonight… legs out infield single, then reads play – triple

    The NL version of George Springer.

    Leave him at leadoff and forget about it. Best on this team at it. By a Mile (High)

  19. RedsMonk65

    Tie game! (Yes, I’m still up, but probably not for long.)

  20. Mark Lang

    MLB.TV has the Rockies home TV announcers and they have what sounds like a teenage girl as a play by play announcer. It’s really disconcerting.

    • vegastypo

      Does that give you the option of keeping the video feed while shifting over to the Reds’ radio feed as an overlay?

      • Mark Lang

        Yes – you can go either way – it’s default is the home team.

    • Colorado Red

      They are that bad.
      Drew is one of the worst in baseball.
      He is a homer or homers.
      Hope he retires soon

  21. Ed

    Heck yeah, Phil Ervin! What a rollercoaster of a game already.

  22. Tom Mitsoff

    This inning, I am NOT allowing Roark much leash. Your team has come back from four down.

    • Sliotar

      Yes, good call Tom.

      Twins pulled Kyle Gibson (similar vet) at Cleveland last night after 3.1 when he did not have it. Minnesota rallied for win.

      Bullpen is rested. Reds need this game, stop losing streak.

      • RedAlert

        Roark brutal – Bell will leave him in until this game is TOTALLY out of reach

  23. Tom Mitsoff

    Okay, that’s Roark’s last inning. You have a million guys in the bullpen, most of whom haven’t pitched since Sunday or before.

  24. Wayne nabors

    And I said then,each article for or against the shift is constructed by the author in the stats he or she uses,it is not a science ,and to take it as fact is misguided

  25. matt hendley

    hey Seat…. Pearaza came through

  26. Mark Lang

    Time for Joey to do his – watch 3 strikes thing he does

  27. Mark Lang

    Earvin (and – against a right hander) – GIVE THE MAN MORE AT BATS

  28. TyGuy88

    Ervin deserves more starts and ABs.

  29. vegastypo

    Ah, there was no interference, but Ervin made a heck of an effort there. The ball was over the fence, so the fan has the right to try to make the catch.

  30. TyGuy88

    To quote Major League – “You may want to go on and get him” David Bell.

  31. redsfan06

    13 hits, 7 runs. Bell has misplaced his quick hook.

    • Sliotar

      Roark was due up 3rd in 6th.

      Easy to speculate that “the plan” was to get through this inning, drop in PH.

      3rd time through lineup, though…Story/Dahl/Arenado/Murphy. Yikes.

      If the Reds don’t bounce back, 2 nights in a row where Bell has put himself right in the middle of things with some “ehhhhh” decisions.

      • vegastypo

        The Reds don’t have a scheduled day off until July 25, so I’m guessing Bell is trying to wring every last pitch out of his pitching, especially with one more game to go in Rockyland, and this game far from over yet.

  32. Tom Mitsoff

    Think they’ll need a few more. 🙂

  33. Sliotar

    “Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good.” – D. Bell

    First to 12 runs wins?

  34. TyGuy88

    DD back from a slumber!! Been a fun game to watch.

  35. Scott Gennett

    Votto’s contract run until 2024. I wonder how much more FO will stand behind it, no competitive team can afford such a subpar production from the first baseman.

    • Lockersocks79

      I have faith in Votto. He had a strong June and if he picks up the pace again in July and August he might end up with decent numbers. I agree that this type of production at the cost is scary when his contract is still years long but I’m also not one to throw away a player over a bad season.

  36. mark lang

    3 run lead won’t be enough tonight…. more, I say… more!

  37. Doug Gray

    So this is just a heads up – I was on recap duty tonight. It’s not happening. It’s 1:30am and I’ve been up since 9am, and I went to bed after 3am last night. So, uh, yeah.

    • Matt WI

      What time do you wake up, Doug? Cause it will probably only be the 8th when it’s 24-23 in favor of Reds.

      But I literally logged on to have a laugh about who got recap duty. Go Reds!

    • Pete

      Don’t blame you. If anyone deserves a night off, it’s you. Thank you for all the hard work and dedication. RLN has a history of great moderators but I believe you top the list.

  38. mark lang

    Mark, this is your one warning. Don’t post garbage like that.

    • Mark Lang

      Take you’re one warning and shove it.

      • Doug Gray

        Alright then. Have fun commenting somewhere else, Mark.

  39. Optimist

    The Reds must have a trade offer they cannot refuse conditioned on Hernandez appearing in 20 games in July. Any other reason, baseball related, unlike mark lang’s?

    • Old-school

      DW said this week the Reds are looking to add controllable bullpen pieces. With DH recent performance, me may be at risk of being DFA’d. His contract has appearance bonuses with $100000 every 5 games he pitches above 40. He got $50000 for 40. He’s now at 43. Two more appearances, another $100000. Bell knows this.

  40. Matt WI

    It’s Redleg Nation “up all night”

  41. Matt WI

    Shame on Puig for that throw. He giveth and now taketh.

    More shame for the Hernandez appearance. That’s on Bell.

  42. daytonnati

    Does anybody remember Bob Shreve’s Schoenling All Night Theater? Just wondering. It was a lot of fun.

    • Matt WI

      Negative. Like a local cable thing?

      • Jim Walker

        VLBC, Very Long Before Cable. Overnight movies on Friday and/ or Saturday. Shreve was the host and did his thing during and as part of commercial breaks.

      • Jim Walker

        Not sure about KK but he did a lot of stuff mostly on WCPO (CH 9), among them a stint as Bozo the Clown when ‘CPO was producing a local version of the Bozo BigTop.
        If my memory isn’t too crossed he made it up to Dayton on WHIO (CH 7) for the overnight movies later on when he was dropped in Cincy.

        In the mid 70’s I was “on assignment” in Indy. I lived on the far east side and on a “good” Saturday night could twist my rabbit ears around enough to barely pull in Shreve despite CH 8 being the big channel there in town.

    • gusnwally

      I certainly do. Great show. Horrible movies, but what a great time. Roll it charlie, Spidella, Garoro and chicky. Let’s see chicky a little longer.LOL

      • gusnwally

        By the way, you can watch videos of the show on Youtube.

    • Jim Walker

      I’ll admit to watching Shreve. A time or 2. All in favor of flavor say…..
      Do you think Bob was really putting away those Little Kings between commercials or just stringing us along.

      • gusnwally

        He was puttin em down. My brother in law was a production asst on the show. They also paid for an shall we say exotic dance to appear on his birthday. She was behind the back door that he always answered. That boyish grin was in full bloom that night.

  43. TyGuy88

    Gonna be tough to get Hernandez going. Might have to throw him out there in a couple more super close games.

  44. Jeff Morris

    WHY is David Hernandez in? Did Bell not learn his lesson from last night? And…see what happens now again with Hernandez. Why not leave Hughes in?

  45. Matt WI

    Joey somehow hit an “excuse me” double. Coors.

  46. Rich H

    This game is taking place in the upside down.

    • Matt WI

      Good call. Can Eleven just tell us who will win?

  47. CI3J

    21 hits for the ol’ Redlegs tonight.

    At least that should help get some offensive numbers closer to career norms.

  48. Matt WI

    Wait, what? Wandy instead of Lorenzen. This is as risky as Hernandez.

    • Matt WI

      Ok. No runs. My thanks, Wandy. I yield.

      • vegastypo

        Bell was kind to Wandy. Gave him lefties toward the bottom of the order. Glad it worked, but wasn’t exactly optimistic.

  49. Sliotar

    There are few “never say nevers” in baseball, but I doubt I will see the following scenario again like this one tonight….

    It is 2:30 AM ET and one Reds player is guaranteed to get another shot at the cycle (Senzel).

    A second guy needs one baserunner to get his second shot at the cycle (Ervin).


    • Seat101

      I just woke up and checked on the score.

      There’s another possibility the game could go into extra innings.

    • Rich H

      Puig also just needed a triple, 3 players a hit away from the cycle lol.

  50. vegastypo

    I wonder how many times a player has had 6 hits in a 9-inning game. Go, Ervin !!!

    • Sliotar

      Posted earlier (much earlier) in this Game Thread….

      “Really, I am staying up for Seat’s 101 commentary when Peraza goes 4 for 4, leads the team to a win….and most of Reds Country is asleep and won’t believe. Gonna be lit.”

      Close enough. Check, please.

      What a night. One for the ages.

    • Lockersocks79

      I just looked it up he’s something like the 102 player to ever do so. Think the last player to do so was George springer a few years ago.

  51. Ed

    What an insane game- Senzel, Ervin on Fire! You know it’s a wild ride when Peraza is knocking in 2 RBI base hits in the 9th. He had a great day- Wandy has good luck, but maybe Bob Steve looks a little shaky up there. Would love to feel some more confidence in the bullpen, but it’s always such a rollercoaster of emotion.

  52. Rich H

    Great flippin game. Wild one out west.

  53. ToBeDetermined

    Well, those Reds fans that stayed up for this one. It was fun.
    I stayed up because I had work I wanted to get done. Almost turned off the Radio and stopped work, but decided to continue a little longer. Ended up staying through the whole thing.

    I guess the wind must have been blowing out in Denver

  54. matt hendley

    I slept through everything past the second, I am watching it now. Box score indicates that crazy things happen in between.

    Shame about the delay, not shame about the victory

    • matt hendley

      what time does sundays game start?

      • TR

        The winner of a blowout game usually has a tough time scoring a few runs in the next game. A scheduled 1:10 start coming up.

  55. Mark To,arski

    As a resident of the Denver area, all Rockies games are blacked out here, a blunt-force weapon to get us to buy high-band cable to watch them. This applies even when the Rockies are in Cincinnati. Once upon a time they justified the blackout as a way to force fans to attend live games. Now they use it for TV viewing. Reds/Rockies was the “Free MLB game” on Friday, but was blacked out there too.

    Consequently, even after nine years in Colorado, I have developed no interest in the Rockies, never being able to watch them even as I pay for baseball on DirectTV. I deeply resent MLB and this crude gimmick.

    Is this true everywhere? Are local Reds fans prevented from watching live games? Are they too herded into expensive high-band cable? If so, living there I would not be a Reds fan, just as I don’t care about the Rockies. I resent being pushed around by marketing thugs.

    • Daytonian

      Yup. I never get to see the Reds on home TV (and almost anywhere) as I won’t yield to the pressure to buy a TV package. It’s business, and so be it. But MLB is losing fans who can no longer casually watch a game and make connections with a team. Football is on TV for free. Baseball tunes you out and wonders why they are losing fandom to football. Short-term profit seeking and a long-term loss of fans.

  56. Indy Red Man

    6 for 6, 5 triples/3 hrs for the 1st time in the modern era, and a relief pitcher appearing in 29 games in a row. I missed alot! Seriously I think the Reds are like 8-1 in games where I never saw 1 pitch live. The game in Milw where they blew a 5-0 lead w/Castillo was the only loss. I’m going to stay away for a while and see what happens?

    How does Ervin go about passing Winker for LF? I like Jesse, but he’s had Rolloveritis this year! Wayyyyy too many groundballs to the right side. He rifled that triple down the left field line on Friday, but thats been rare this year! Ervin, on the other hand, will hit the ball all over and is a much better/faster defensive player.

    • Jim Walker

      I’m wondering the same. Behind the fun loving façade, Winker hopefully is aware that there is one hungry and talented dude in Ervin who has his sights set on increasing his share of playing time in LF. Otherwise he is headed toward a seat next to Barnhart on the bench more nights than not.

  57. Matt WI

    Last night’s theme: Pitching? Where we’re going, we don’t need pitching.
    Great Scot!

  58. matt hendley

    just watched Joey Votto being tossed. VOtto was right…. that ball was a ball and was outside. Not even close. Now votto knew that it was the 9th and that there was a 6 run lead. Let him know you ware not tolerating that” speed up the game” expanded strike zone, which worked cause suarez walked. Umpire was garbage on that play and Votto was right to tell him so.

    • Hotto4Votto

      Votto’s been called out more on “strikes” that seemed obvious balls this season than I can remember in a long time. I’m sure he’s pretty frustrated by it.

      • Matt WI

        Agree. A few boderline calls in that game alone led to that for Votto. In the absence of K zone, Joey Votto is the authority on balls vs. strikes. The ump failed to recognize.

  59. Slicc50

    Last 30 games for Yasiel Puig. .345/.385/.717. Dude really does heat up as the summer months kick in doesn’t he? Give Phil Ervin more playing time! At whose expense, I don’t know. This bullpen worries me guys! Does anyone think they will make any moves to improve? What do they do about offense? Stick with what they have? Or go out and get a bat? Gosh, I love having these questions leading up to the trading deadline. Instead of……well, who are we going to dump this year? This team is not far off. Especially in this stacked division. I really hope they make some kind of move to improve the team in areas of weakness!

  60. Don

    went to bed during delay, woke up normal 6 am EST Sunday and just finished watching game on app (great to be able to watch the game and skip commercial breaks)
    Everyone but Suarez and Votto looked good at the plate tonight. Votto has reverted to his stance of April and May (leaning back all his weight on back foot) and not balanced weight like he did all of June when he was hot. He is trying to hit home runs and getting the right launch angle to make the analytics people happy. Votto is thinking at the plate again, he needs to get back to June stance.

    Suarez is just looking to hit a HR with every swing and not caring about contact. rest of team picked up these two swinging for fences.

    My guess (hoping there is some intelligence) on Hernandez is that was a front office direction to give him another shot as they have(had) a possible trade and hoped he could have a good outing so that they could finalize the trade before he totally implodes.

    Lorenzen made the difference to stop the Rockies hitting momentum but getting 2,3,4 hitters out in 6th and keeping the lead.

    Team won a game and came back, good overall night.

    Need to do the same Sunday to win series.

  61. Colorado Red

    Thought I would go to the game.
    Went with an old buddy of me.
    Decide to call it quits during the rain delay (he was driving).
    Watch a bit on TV, then went to bed.
    Like most, saw the recap this morning.
    Reminds me a bit of the 24 -12 game I saw here a long time ago.

    • Jim Walker

      Just wondering, do you have any sense that these crazy games are influenced by the type of weather there was last night? Like maybe it offsets whatever the humidor does to the balls?

  62. Pete

    So great to see the youngsters producing so well: Senzel, Peraza and especially Phillip Ervin. These guys need to play every day, so does Winker and VanMeter. Time to trade Puig, I doubt his value can go any higher. I hope we didn’t miss out on the opportunity to trade Roarke at max return.

    Wandy looked very good.

    • Indy Red Man

      Puig’s bobblehead night is coming up. He’s got talent, he hustles, and he’s a can or two short of a six-pack! He’s fun to watch! Trust me….Reds marketing sees that too! I’ve been wrong before, but I’d be shocked if they traded him.

      • Pete

        If he played SS or C, or even 1B, maybe, but he is an outfielder and the Reds should bet they are stacked there. They desperately need a catcher and SS not to mention a starting pitcher prospect. Trade from strength, save money, promote youth and improve weak spots. The Reds can’t afford Puig in more ways than one. Sorry, I’ve grown to love the guy but still love my Reds more so.

        Food for thought: what could a Puig/Roark package bring in?