Final R H E
Milwaukee Brewers (46-42)
0 2 0
Cincinnati Reds (41-44)
1 8 0
W: Castillo (8-3) L: Woodruff (10-3) S: Iglesias (16)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Statcast | Box Score | Game Thread

Luis Castillo was nails, as was the bullpen as the pitching staff made a 1-0 lead that was grabbed in the 1st inning hold up over the Milwaukee Brewers. Your Cincinnati Reds are now 3.5 games out of first place.

The Offense

Runs, and offense, were at a premium on Thursday afternoon at Great American Ballpark, though it didn’t seem that way from the start. Jesse Winker led off the bottom of the 1st inning with a double. Joey Votto singled to put runners on the corners. After a strikeout of Eugenio Suarez, Yasiel Puig came to the plate and singled in the 1st run of the game.

After that, the offense was pretty much shut down. Fortunately the Reds had Luis Castillo on the mound so that 1-0 lead held up. The offensive struggles the rest of the way weren’t at the fault of Jesse Winker, who went 3-3 before being replaced by Phillip Ervin as a pinch hitter later in the game. Joey Votto walked and had a single. Derek Dietrich, Nick Senzel, and Jose Peraza all went 1-3 on the day.

The Pitching

Don’t talk about it! Don’t mention it! How dare you think about it?! Aliens and ghosts are real, but jinxes are not. Luis Castillo got the start for the Cincinnati Reds on the 4th of July and the right-handed pitcher took a no-hitter into the 7th inning before rookie Keston Hiura singled with 1 out to break things up. It was the only hit he’d allow until the rain came and put the game on hold with 2 outs in the top of the 8th in the middle of his match up with Jesus Aguilar. Castillo was behind in the count 2-0 when the umpires put a halt in action and the grounds crew sprung into action to get the tarp on the field. He finished with this line: 7.2IP, 1H, 0R, 1BB, 9K. That. Will. Work.

David Hernandez came on to finish the at-bat after a rain delay that lasted 1 hour and 9 minutes. He would go on to walk Aguilar, which goes down as a walk for Luis Castillo since he began the plate appearance. Hernandez would strike out Yasmani Grandal to end the inning and maintain the Reds 1-0 lead.

Raisel Iglesias came out for the 9th to face the heart of the order for the Brewers. On a full count he saw Christian Yelich unload on a ball, lining a double off of the wall in right-center to lead off the inning and put the tying run in scoring position. Phillip Ervin helped out by reaching into the stands on the run down the left field line for a great catch for out number 1. Keston Hiura grounded out to second, but saw Yelich move to third on the play – but there were two outs. Iglesisas then got Eric Thames to fly out to shallow right-center to end the game.

Notes Worth Noting

Alex Wood begins his rehab assignment on Saturday with the Louisville Bats.

Luis Castillo’s change up is absolutely filthy. You already knew that. But you probably didn’t know this about just how insane it is…..

While it’s noted below, it’s worth noting here, too: The Reds do not play tomorrow. They will open up a 2-game series on Saturday at home against the Cleveland Indians just before the All-Star break that will begin on Monday.

Here’s the current standings through the end of Thursday:

Team W L GB
Brewers 46 42
Cubs 46 42
Cardinals 43 42 1.5
Pirates 42 44 3.0
Reds 41 44 3.5

Up Next for the Cincinnati Reds

Cleveland Indians vs Cincinnati Reds

Saturday July 6th, 4:10pm

Shane Bieber (7-3, 3.54 ERA) vs Anthony DeSclafani (5-4, 4.35 ERA)

76 Responses

  1. RojoBenjy

    Cubs-Pirates getting hot.

    Maddon had enough Pirate bean ball ways and went ballistic on the Pirates dugout. He had to be escorted off the field.

    Later the Pirates hit Bote in the helmet…

    Of course, the pitcher was NOT ejected.

    • JB WV

      Clint Hurdle….

      We aren’t going to tolerate cursing, even if it’s directed at Clint Hurdle. Only warning.

      • Indydoug

        He should be given a 50 day suspension. They bean way more than any other team

      • JB WV

        I understand, but does the term constitute cursing? I had harsher expletives in mind, but chose a term that means donkey. In this day and age I would hardly consider it cursing. But I respect the integrity of Redleg nation and will refrain from future insults. I apologize.

    • Lost11found

      Well now that the cubs are involved the league might do something after the fact even though pit pitcher wasn’t ejected. Gotta protect the cubbies!

  2. JB WV

    There has been talk about what would it take for Castillo to become a true ace, most notably to cut down on his walks and get deeper into games. Exhibit A today. Maybe his focus was a little sharper after Grays gem yesterday. What an outing! Reds are only two back in the loss column.

    • VaRedsFan

      I have to agree. The pitch efficiency has been tremendous. Hopefully this is becoming contagious with the whole staff. Limit your walks and pitch count, and you are allowed to pitch deeper into games.

    • Klugo

      That’s the best thing that can happen to a team, raising the bar on each other.

      • Jim Walker

        Exactly. Look at the LF situation between Winker and Ervin for another example.

  3. Lockersocks79

    2 questions:

    1. Are the Reds buyers or sellers?

    2. What will it take to keep Puig?

    • Seat101

      We need a catcher. And we need some help in the bullpen.

      So now I’ll answer your question with a question how do you think we get there from here?

      • Lockersocks79

        That’s a good question:

        – my top priority would be strengthening the bullpen, hopefully adding a few pieces via trade.

        -When Alex Wood does finally arrive I’d put him in the bullpen to start off. Best case scenario is that the 5 starters that we currently have continue to pitch great games and wood helps solidify the bullpen.

        -I’m all for signing puig but I think it’ll take 15mil/ 4-5 years to do so.

        -as far as the catcher, I think that is a weak spot and will continue to be for the remainder of the year.

        -Gennett might not produce at the level we’d like to see this year so I’d consider moving Senzel to 2b and bringing up quino and VanMeter to share some time at their respective positions based on performance.

        That’s my 2 cents!

    • Lwblogger2

      I think it takes more than 4yrs/$60-million to sign Puig. I think it takes another $4-million to get the convo even started. Realistically I think on 4 years he’ll need about $18-million a year to get it done. On 5 years you may see something like 5/$80-million (16 million AAV)

      Not saying the Reds should or shouldn’t but stating what I think it would take to get it done.

  4. Seat101

    The Pirates game is on ESPN and they’re wearing red hats. Are they allowed to do that?

  5. Indy Red Man

    Huge win today! This was their 3rd shot to win a series against Milw and they finally grabbed it! The offense is still inconsistent, but Woodruff is pretty good! I’d like to see them continue to push the the running game like Puig the other night. Peraza got on to lead off the 7th. Votto walked to lead off the bottom of the 8th. Why not pinch-run with JVM or Lorenzen or Farmer? Either way….they got it done and now they’re in the mix!!

    • Doc

      I don’t see the games, mostly following play by play in print on gameday or scorecard. It seems to me that the Reds have a lot of players on second base who make it no farther than third on a base hit to the outfield. Twice again today. Second base no longer seems to be scoring position.

      Can’t tell from print play by play whether there is good reason for this, like maybe the singles are just not hit in a manner or place that permits a score, but is there a component of being too cautious after so many were thrown out advancing or trying to score earlier in the year. Thought maybe those actually seeing the action might have a better impression.

      • Seat101

        I think it’s just chance occurrence that these hits our station to station. I hope it will even out by the end of the year.

      • CFD3000

        Winker couldn’t score from second on Votto’s single. It was a line drive over the third baseman’s head, off the tip of his outstretched glove. Winker had to see if it would go through before advancing to third. Votto couldn’t score on Dietrich’s single because a) when it came off the bat it looked like there was a chance it would be caught and b) it was smoked and the right fielder was playing somewhat shallow. Neither was a baserunning mistake or misjudgment. Happens.

  6. Klugo

    No one said beating the division leader 3 out of 4 would be easy. And it wasn’t. Now the Reds have achieved the level of play needed to win. Next step: sustain it.

    *Thank goodness the kid with the glove can’t catch. Thank goodness Philip Ervin can.

  7. Jim Walker

    As noted above by JBWV, the Reds are only -2 in the loss column to the Cubbilces and Brewers. At the end of play today, they are also going to have 3 games in hand against both of them. So, what does that mean? They control their fate in reference to both. When was the last time that was true this deep into a season?

  8. matt hendley

    Reds beat the leaders of the central in back to back series. Way to go.

  9. Old-school

    The Cubs Cards and Brewers play each other 30+ times the second half. The Phillies and nats and braves will beat up on each other.
    If the Reds can get over .500 by mid July, it’s not of the question for this team to play 4-6 over .500 the second half and 85-86 wins might get a wild card. Will need a lefty bullpen addition.

    • Jim Walker

      The West may also pose a problem though. The devil you know and play against the most is the best one to tame.

      • Old-school

        Yup- dirty birds on the schedule a lot 2nd half.

      • Matt WI

        I’ve said before… the Astros had some teams in the early 2000’s that had bad first half of the seasons and then went gangbusters…

        2004 they hit the break at 44-44. They went 48-26 the rest of the way.
        2004 They went 44-43 and then 45-30.

        It’s doable. Especially with the Reds pitching… the math says they should be a lot better than they are.

      • Matt WI

        Oops. Second set of numbers belongs to 2005.

  10. Old-school

    Mathew Boyd 13k and 0 BB for tigers. Reds need to check in.

  11. Matt WI

    Brilliant win. Two back to back goose eggs against a very, very good offensive team. For all of our hand wringing over the offense, I can’t wait to catch some local talk radio about the Crew tomorrow.

    And the game Puig scored on the error… I feel that equals out the giant lead the Reds blew in Milwaukee in May (with Castillo on the mound). Baseball gods have a way of making things even.

    • Lwblogger2

      I found it interesting that Yelich was on the bench and didn’t play on the 3rd, the day after that error. His back may have been barking at him but maybe Craig Council benched him. I didn’t hear.

  12. RedsMonk65

    A Reds series win on the Fourth of July against the division leader to tighten up the race.

    A belly full of grilled hamburgers and baked beans.

    Life is good.

    (I see Clint Hurdle is up to his old tricks again. How does he constantly get away with that year in and year out?)

  13. John Ring

    Don’t count on Wood. If he comes back, it’s a bonus. The Reds need some bullpen help. Platoon Winker and Ervin. And Puig is dynamite.

  14. Shchi Cossack

    The Reds are now 14-16 in 1-run games. The 1-run victories have lead the resurgence just like the 1-run losses lead to the early pit. A few minority voices cautioned the 1-run games tend to even out over the course of a season while the masses were screaming about the sky falling.

    Both the Reds and the bush-league Bucos are just 2 games behind the rest of the NLCD in the loss column. We are seeing cracks in the armor of the Cubbies, Brew Crew and Dirty Birds. The NLCD is wide open for the taking.

  15. Steve Schoenbaechler

    We need to lock Roark up, I believe. Castillo, Roark, and Gray seem to provide 3 decent arms. The only question would be, are we going to bet on Wood? Right now, I’m happy with what I see from Castillo, Roark, and Gray.

    • Colorado Red

      I would rather sign Roark, then Wood.
      Too many injuries.

    • Shchi Cossack

      I believe that signing Roark to an extension would be a colossal mistake. Roark will be 33 years old in 2020. His strike out rate is 25% above his career norm this season with the rest of his peripherals sitting right at his career norms. I have no confidence that Roark’s performance this season is repeatable next season and if the extension represents a multi-year contract, his performance could really fall off the cliff.

      If Roark would sign a one year contract for less than his current $10MM, I’m on board, but I think he will find a suitor for a 2-3 season contract for too much money for the Reds to consider.

      The real decision regarding Roark is what to do with the pending trade deadline fast approaching. The Reds are competing again. If the Reds keep Roark past the trade deadline, then they will settle for a one-year rental with no return since QO is far beyond any reasonable consideration. I believe Roark has real value as a deadline trade, ranking 3rd best option behind Bumgarner and Wheeler. He could possibly return at least a Tanner Rainey level prospect for a contender needing a solid starter. The issue there is that the Reds are also a contender and replacing Roark in the starting rotation would require a roll of the dice. Wood will not be ready to step into the starting rotation by the trade deadline and any other option could also fail miserably, but for the right offer, I think the Reds need to carefully consider their options.

      • RojoBenjy

        I am in agreement with this, Cossack.

      • Amarillo

        If the return for Roark is a Tanner Rainey type prospect, ie a solid relief prospect but who has seen zero major league success yet…then I would much rather take the chance at relevant September baseball and get nothing when he leaves then throw up the white flag for a player that we already have a half dozen of at AAA.

      • Jim t

        You may be a bit off a n your assumption. Kuechel didn’t he big money when in Roak’s position. Teams are not handing out big money deals to players on wrong side of 30 anymore.

  16. Reddawg12

    Great series win. I would not mind seeing Alex Wood come back in the bullpen, at least at first. It might allow him to return a bit sooner and he’d be a good LHP to have while Amir is on the IL.

  17. Tom Mitsoff

    We’ve seen a half-season worth of Puig, and my opinion of him has changed. He plays hard, he is passionate about winning, is excellent defensively, and looks like he’s a 30- to 35-homer guy playing in GABP. Lockersocks above opined that it would take $15 million per year in a three- to four-year deal, and if that is all it takes, I’d do it quickly. Chances are it will take more than that. I’m also still in the sign-Jose-Iglesias-to-an-extension camp.

    If the Reds are still this close come July 31, we’ll see how much guts Dick Williams has. To get a contributor to a pennant-winning team will cost dearly in prospects.

    • CFD3000

      I’m on board with Puig and especially Iglesias, Tom. I’d also like to see a heavily incentive laden extension for Wood. When (if?) healthy he should be as good as Sonny Gray. Imagine an upgrade from Mahle or DeSclafani to another Gray? If it can be done for cheap depending on health and/or production I think that’s an easy call. Given how well the starting five have pitched as a group, the Alex Wood injuries may turn out to be a long term blessing in disguise.

  18. Steve Schoenbaechler

    This is not that bad a team at all. All the “only if’s”:

    – Only if we had some kind of offense
    – Only if we didn’t have that 1-8 start
    – Others?

    • JT WV

      Teams evolve, especially with a lot of new faces on the field and managing. This team is developing an identity starting with strong starting pitching and a don’t quit attitude. Guys that weren’t hitting now are: Winker, Puig, Votto. And I don’t hear anyone clamoring for Matt Kemp anymore, thank God.

    • Indy Red Man

      Blew a 8-0 lead with Sonny on the mound. Blew 3 games with LC on the mound & a 3, 4, and 5 run lead. Just take 2 of those and we’re over .500!

      • Jack

        The fact that they’ve been sitting 3 to 5 games under .500 for several months would tell me they aren’t contenders….but the rest of the central must be worse because they’ve somehow crept within 3.5 games. The team has flaws and normally I’d say think about the future but when you are this close you are doing a disservice to the fans not to do something to go for it, the question is what? I’d still hate to trade a top prospect for rental when I don’t really see that many difference makers in the system.

    • Amarillo

      If only Schebler when from a league average hitter to suddenly forgetting how to hit a baseball.

  19. Steve Schoenbaechler

    I was thinking of something and thought I would check it out, comparing out offense to last year’s offense. A lot of us have been talking about how the offense this season has struggled. I thought I would check it out.

    I only looked at runs/game, what I consider the bottom line for offense. For, it doesn’t matter what you BA, OPS, etc. is, if you aren’t scoring runs, the offense isn’t doing its job.

    Last year, we averaged just a hair under 4.3 runs per game, pretty much middle of the pack in the NL.

    This year, totally unexpected to me, even though we are much lower “in standing” this year compared to all in the NL, we are averaging just a hair ABOVE 4.3 runs per game.

    I never would have expected that. It just seems like we have been struggling on offense. Interesting. I wish I wanted to put more time into studying this.

    • Jreis

      Great series win for the reds. Castillo is finally starting to follow old Doc Rodgers ( God rest his sole) advice that is a lot easier to make a living inducing weak contact early in the count than trying to strike everyone out on 10 pitches.

      Also someone needs to tell Senzel that he has to back up second base on steal attempts. This is the second day in a row he failed to do it. Luckily this didn’t cost an extra base like it did yesterday.

      The 4 hit/ 1 run first inning has already been commented on above. The offense is starting to develop its constipation problem it has had over the past years. Ton of hits but few runs. It’s a frustrating problem but there is no solution as we have little speed in the top of the order right now.

      • Jim Walker

        Think the offensive problem may indicate they are short hitter. They need a high OBP/ low strike out guy to mix in. Drop Eugenio down to #4. Put that guy at #3.

      • RojoBenjy

        Jim- couldn’t Van Meter be the missing piece (or at least a bit of an upgrade)? Maybe not a #3, but certainly has shown better on-base skills that some of the others that are getting a lot of ABs.

    • greenmtred

      Steve: Is the scoring more affected by blow-out wins this year than last? They seem like a team that, from time-to-time, fires on 7 or 8 cylinders and then reverts to 1 or 2 cylinders (Puig being at least one of those, lately) for multiple games.

  20. Indy Red Man

    Agree with Seat that we need bullpen help. Now!! If they leave it like it is then Bell will drive Hernandez into the ground and they’ll fall out it as fast as they got in it! Iggy and Lorenzen are good but inconsistent. Personally I’d run with Bowman, Stephenson, and Hughes more often. Its amazing Steph has decent numbers considering how little he pitches. Bowman seems like a nice change of pace….everyone throws 95+ out of the pen. They really need a lefty though! They needed a lefty before Amir got hurt! Trading for pen help is risky, but the Reds don’t have a choice if they want to compete this year! Get someone that they could keep for a couple of years, because H&H are almost used up!

    Aaron Bummer with the White Sox! 31 ip, 19 hits, 1 hr, 10 bbs/32 Ks. He’s almost 26 yrs old. Maybe the WS might like Aquino? Or Stephenson? They have a lot of young talent, but a lot of holes too! Cam Bedrosian on LA? He’s a righty, but having a good year and could really help! Maybe Alex Wood could help?

    Bottom line….you just know the Cubs and Milw will be active! Will Smith from SF or Domingo Santana back to Milw? Bumgarner? They both get full houses every home game and with that brings expectations….and $$

    • Jim Walker

      I have a feeling Stephenson is pitching about as much and as often as his body will permit. Relieving is a new gig for him. He missed time in the spring; and, he has also done an IL stint since the season started.

      This said, even though it sounds counter intuitive, I would not bet against them trying to stretch him out if a spot comes open in the rotation. I think that is certainly a possibility next year and perhaps why they have hung onto him to this point.

      Might he be good fodder for a rental reliever to a team that could carry him through the season with the intent of returning him to starting in 2020???

    • Lwblogger2

      The Reds tried that with disastrous results in 2006. They were in a very similar situation as they are now. Sure grab that LH reliever if the trade price is right but they definitely can’t afford to overpay.

  21. Stoney

    Great win today. Castillo and Gray are a great 1-2 punch. Puig has finally come around and is the spark this team desperately needed for years. Rasial always makes it too interesting at the end. Extend Jose. Great pick up.

  22. KYPodman

    I wanted to throw a interesting bone concerning Puig continuing on with the Reds for future years. I have heard through a source that Puig is moving into Triple Crown (where I live) in Union (KY). He is supposedly moving next door to one time major league pitcher Walt Terrell. Maybe an extension is in the works!

    • Jim Walker

      Don’t tell us if you find out he is taking a short term lease! 😉

    • docproc

      Scooter and his wife rented a house a few doors down from us last year. I kept hoping I’d hear that he switched from renting to buying.

  23. Jreis

    Man Suarez is the steakiest player I have ever seen lol. He has streaks within his streaks. I can’t tell right now if he is having a cold streak within his hot streak. Or the homeruns a few days ago was a hot streak within a prolonged cold streak ack that started in late May? Lol

    • Mike Adams

      I am not so sure it is streakiness.
      Yesterday Chris Welch described how to get him out and said every opponent knows this: pitch him fastballs just above the top of the strike zone, middle plate and in; then breaking balls outside just off the plate. I have seen with my own eyes this works 99% of the time (disclaimer: exaggerated estimate not based on actual data).
      I think Suarez hits homers when the pitcher misses these spots, or thinks “I will fool him with a fastball low over the plate”.

      • ToBeDetermined


        Pitchers can get a lot of guys out by executing fastballs just above the top of the strike zone middle-in and breaking balls just off the plate.
        When Suarez really started to come into his own, he was taking batting practice with Joey Votto and was emulating him in that Suarez was being much more selective (swinging at strikes) rather than chasing those pitches.

      • Shchi Cossack

        In yesterday’s game, I saw Suarez intentionally foul of a pitch he didn’t want to hit, al la Joey Votto. That was the first time I remember seeing Suarez do that and it was on a high fastball.

      • Old-school

        Suarez will hit 30 homers and ops .790- .810. and wRC+ 110-115. He’s going to make 20 errors and strike out a lot too but he gets the job done from a corner infielder.
        2b and catcher need major answers offensively.

      • Old-school

        Suarez might be V2 of Edwin Encarnacion. He can be a Firstbaseman and DH at age 30 when the DH comes to the NL.

  24. Hanawi

    Guess I don’t see the Reds as serious contenders yet. They still have the 4th worst record in the NL and are in last place in the division. Yes, they are getting close, but they have a ton of teams to jump over.

    They lost two prospects in Downs and Gray that would be in the top 2-3 of what they have on the farm right now. If someone wants to take O’Grady or Refsnyder (or Dietrich) for a competent bullpen arm, then fine. But, other than that, I’d try to sell Roark for sure. They have Sims at AAA who can join the rotation and possibly Wood for starts as well. They’ll have Reed and Garrett back from the IL in the 2nd half and Herget is up, so they have bullpen guys. As long as Bell doesn’t continue to run Hernandez out on a daily basis and trusts some of the other guys (Stephenson, Bowman).

    • Rich H

      You do not have contact with reality. Jeter Downs and Josiah Gray would not be in the top 2-3 prospects in the Reds system by anybody’s measure. Who on Earth is giving up something real for O’Grady or Refsnyder? Roark is not simply a replaceable part of this team at this point. Crazy talk.

      • Hanawi

        What? I don’t count Senzel and Downs is certainly ahead of India. He’s younger, plays SS, and is out-hitting him at the same level. Trammell has not had a very good year so far and Greene is hurt. Gray just threw 7 scoreless in a duel with Gore (both of whom could be in the Reds’ system right now btw). He’s outperforming Santillan (though at a lower level). Go look at his numbers. He’s dominating A+ right now.

        I’ll give you Refsnyder (though he is 3rd in the international league in average), but no one will give something of value for O’Grady? He’s in the top 10 in the international league in OPS, can play 1st or corner OF and has also been spending time in CF lately.

        And I just gave you two replacements for Roark. He’s by no means irreplaceable. The Reds have to stop holding onto guys until they lose all value. They aren’t winning the WS right now.

      • Indy Red Man

        Well I’m big on Lorenzen as a starter, but isn’t the trade deadline July 31st? Its real simple imo…..if they’re still hanging around in 3 weeks then DW won’t want to mess up the chemistry. Roark is sort of Dan Straily fools gold imo, but he’s a competitor and I bet he’s pretty good in the clubhouse. If they’re 7 games out then what difference does it make? Roark, Raisel, Scooter, DD, etc could/should be out the door.

        They have the best starting pitching in the division. That’s not normally the case for a last place team. They have a chance! They’re 12-10 vs the Cubs/Milw. I don’t like the Milw lineup at all besides Yelich & Moose. The Cubs & Cards are struggling. Who knows?

      • Rich H

        Gray is killing high A ball, and Downs is a real prospect. But there are doubts that Downs can stick at short, and Gray is still raw. Doug would be a much better authority, but from everything I’ve seen and read it would be shocking to see somebody rank them in the top three in the system. That is just reality, go look at all the lists and scouting reports.

        Brian O’Grady is 27 and OPS’ing 150 points higher than his career average in a year where everyone is killing the ball at AAA. He and about four other teammates are hitting the ball like Mike Trout, as are comparable players across the league. You just aren’t going to get anyone to give a competent big leaguer for that player. That is reality.

        Roark is pitching very well this year, even if some of his peripherals aren’t matching his ERA, and as awesome as Sims was in his callup this year, he’s getting banged around a bit in AAA (although almost every pitcher is). I can’t imagine Wood getting stretched all the way out in less than a month. There’s also been some comment on Roark’s clubhouse presence. He’s just been better than people thought, and you are unlikely to replace that production with Sims, and who knows what Wood looks like IF he can actually get through this rehab. If you can get good value for him, by all means, go for it, but so much that has been written and talked about here and elsewhere suggests that Roark probably has more value here than to any team that would be giving up real pieces for starting pitching. I think every single discussion and article from people who cover the team I’ve come across suggest this.

        Maybe someone would overpay for these guys, but it is a stretch and you certainly can’t count on it as a strategy. Castillo for Dan Straily doesn’t happen but once in a blue moon, and two guys having solid-to-very good years don’t just magically jump 5-10 quality, pedigreed guys on prospect lists because of half a season at A+ ball. Unless they have incredible raw tools to match an incredible year. Gray is closer to that than Downs, but I think your statement is very inaccurate.

    • Grand Salami

      The standings are not terribly important when 3.5 games separates first from last with about 75 games left to be played.

      Mets may want to part with Wilson Ramos who is in first year of 19 million 2 year contract. Taking on that money may mean giving up much less. One of the catching prospects in the minors and DD could be enough. Who says it’s crazy or a bad trade?

      • old-school

        Ramos’ defensive metrics aren’t good and he wouldn’t help the Reds get better and younger. Ramos has also been fired by DeGrom and Syndegaard during their starts for their own personal catcher in Tomas Nido. But catching needs to be addressed.

        The Arizona Dbacks have lost 3 in a row and with the Dodgers leading the division by 16.5 games, they have zero chance of making the playoffs in the division. FG has their wild card chances at 9% and the Reds at a season high 13% and climbing.

        Id like to see the Reds make an aggressive mega-trade that pushes 2019 forward but also helps 2020+ by improving the catching position and the bullpen.

        The Dbacks have a young catcher in Carson Kelly who is 24 and a former 2nd round pick and #2 prospect of the Cardinals. He was traded in the Goldschmidt deal and has as an .850 OPS and solid defensive metrics. Andrew Chafin is a solid lefty in the bullpen with another year of control and from Ohio. Start with a package of Tyler Stephenson, Lucas Sims and Aristides Aquino with Curt Casali giving immediate help catching this year and next.

      • Pete

        Aquino & Stephenson? No. Maybe one or the other but not both. Kelly has an OPS of .704 with a SLG% of .380 in his MiLB career. Very likely a 2-month outlier. Let’s see some more before jumping. Stephenson is 2 years younger, I’d like to see him in September. No deal if management is smart and I think they are.

  25. steve stevens

    I’d trade Roark if/when Wood is ready since some kind of regression is probablu due. Target 1: An excellent defensive SS with a good bat. Iglesias has proved the importance of defense to help a pitching staff. That’s what Cozart brought up. I’m not sure Jose will keep his bat going so extension talks might wait some.
    Target 2: A true CF with speed / obp combo. Senzel goes back to 2B. No true CF in the farm close to MLB. (Trammel, Siri seem a couple of years away, not sure thing.)