Final R H E
Chicago Cubs (45-38)
6 8 0
Cincinnati Reds (37-43)
0 7 2
W: Quintana (5-7) L: Castillo (7-3)
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Well, the Reds did provide some excitement….. when Yasiel Puig yelled at Pedro Stroop after being hit by a pitch in the 8th inning. But a strong start by Luis Castillo was for naught.

The Offense

Joey Votto continued to swing a hot bat. He and Eugenio Suarez both went 2-4 in the game, and Suarez had a double among his two hits. Jose Igleisas, Phillip Ervin, and Luis Castillo added a single to the ledger, but the Reds couldn’t push a run across on the day. Ho-hum. They just didn’t have it today.

The Pitching

Luis Castillo allowed a solo home run in the second inning to Jason Heyward. That was all he gave up in 7.0 innings – allowing 3 hits and walking 3 batters with 6 strikeouts. He was in control of most of the game. But then the bullpen came on, and that’s when things went south. And quickly.

David Hernandez came on to begin the 8th and allowed a leadoff single and a 1-out double to Kris Bryant. Zach Duke came on to face the left-handed Anthony Rizzo and proceeded to walk him on 4 pitches to load the bases. That’s when Jared Hughes came on to face Javier Baez, who gave up a grand slam that made it 5-0. Robert Stephenson came out for the 9th inning and was charged with an unearned run that made it 6-0.

Notes Worth Noting

Derek Dietrich was hit by yet another pitch today. That’s 16 on the season, which leads the league.

Luis Castillo’s ERA dropped to 2.47 on the season with this outing.

David Bell was ejected in the bottom of the 9th after a third Reds batter of the game was hit by a Cubs pitcher and no one was tossed. It was the 6th time this year he has been throw out of a game.

While Jason Linden always tells us that end points are arbitrary, and he even wrote about that exact thing this week, Joey Votto is hitting .371/.442/.562 since May 24th, a span of 120 plate appearances.

The Reds can still win the series by taking the game tomorrow against Jon Lester.

Up Next for the Cincinnati Reds

Chicago Cubs vs Cincinnati Reds

Sunday June 30th, 1:10pm

Jon Lester (7-5, 3.83 ERA) vs Anthony DeSclafani (4-4, 4.70 ERA)

60 Responses

  1. JB WV

    Reds probably would have lost anyway, but bringing in Duke in that situation can’t happen. Please FO, release him. His stuff has evaporated.

    • Old-school

      The Reds scored zero runs. David bell plays matchup baseball with lineups and bullpens. Fair Question… When does Nick Senzel get some starts at 3b?

      • Davy13

        I am not clear about your point. Senzel did start and Suarez had a good offensive game (though he had an error). Maybe the question should be, why not start Senzel at 2B, Winker at LF, and Ervin at CF. Overall, it just seemed that it was one of those low offense-output games no matter what.

        It is really nice to see Votto returning to form. Still, the team needs to sign an in-his prime consistent .300/.400/850 bat in the offseason. I don’t see any bat like that in the minors.

    • Pete

      I agree, scoring no runs meant they probably had little to no chance to win today.

      • Doc

        I think you can eliminate the “little” option. No team has ever won a baseball game without scoring a run.

      • Pete

        Should of used the /s or Doc should have.

  2. TR

    An upper yesterday and downer today despite great pitching from Castillo. A tough loss before 41,360. Going for the series win tomorrow with Disco.

    • Burtgummer

      Disco is borderline awful thankfully the Reds won game one to avoid the sweep

      • TR

        But even awful occasionally have a good day.

  3. Pete

    Perfect time to shop Joey Votto. The Teds can finish in last place with or without him, time to cash in the best they can and hopefully relieve themselves of some of the money owed and he can be on a championship team before he retires.

    • Burtgummer

      He has said he won’t be traded so forget that one

      • Pete

        I’d like to hear an update from him on that.

      • Mason Red

        I would think he would want out of this mess.

    • matt hendley

      Joey Votto has a complete No Trade Clause.

      He did not waive it when it was obvious that his team was not attempting to compete, and the Blue Jays, (his effective hometown team, were making the playoffs).
      He will not waive it now.
      He has indicated and accepted at the time a substantial discount to become the Franchise player for this decade.
      He will retire a red.

      This is a fact. as much as the sky being blue is one.

      • Pete

        You sound like you’re his agent. So the guy wants to retire playing for a cellar dweller? Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. He could possibly get a World Series ring and help out the Reds with their future, all at the same time. I certainly hope he reconsiders.

      • Rich H

        Matt sounds realistic, and is absolutely correct in everything he said. Joey Votto, in addition to his 10/5 status, is potentially both the greatest offensive player in Reds history and a Hall of Famer. To my knowledge, he’s never wanted to leave. He’s a Red for life as of now, and probably forever. I for one am glad for it.

      • Pete

        Rich -if this is the high priority, you are 100% correct. Red for life! Many in the fan base have been conditioned to the Reds way of conducting business and yes keep Joey until he retires. In the end, whatever appears to be in best short-term interest of the business end wins out and we’re all happy. It’s very frustrating to those that may want to try a different path.

  4. Doc

    Eighty or so games into the season, we see what we have. They are around a 75-77 win team. They might keep saying they are better than that, but talk is cheap. The game is measured in wins and losses, despite what all the metrics say. You don’t make the playoffs based on the number of games metrics say you should have won. That is certainly a marked improvement over last year, but we really don’t know what we have.

    Unless something happens in the next few weeks, our RF is gone, a SP is gone, a couple of relievers are gone, a starter who never showed up except to collect a very nice paycheck is gone. We don’t know if JW can handle all pitching, if JP can handle full time play, if PE can handle the outfield full time, if we have a suitable catcher going forward. On top of that, people want to trade away one of the best pitchers they have had in years.

    On top of that, we have players who don’t know how many outs there are despite those huge displays they call scoreboards, players who get picked off regularly, or doubled off by outfielders, or can’t score from second on a base hit. Bad fundamental baseball by people who only seem to care about their launch angles. If this is baseball at its best, by the best, I’m outta here.

    Wake me when its over, 2020 spring training, that is.

    • Pete

      I for one only want to trade Castillo away if it improves the team more than if he stays. Just so I’m perfectly clear in my opinion.

  5. BigredSteve

    At this point, putting Duke in feels like Bell is conceding the game.

    • Doc

      Conceding the game and not giving youth a chance to show what they have and whether they will be useful pieces going forward. At least Duke has shown them that when the three batter rule goes into effect, he will be rocking chair material. They couldn’t seriously bring him back and keep a straight face or credibility.

      • RojoBenjy

        Doc, sadly, I think the Reds front office is sincere in thinking they have a competitive chance despite the utter mismanagement.

        A real travesty.

  6. Burtgummer

    Plus he’s still owed well more than 100 million dollars
    No team will take that contract

    • Pete

      If they took a third of it or maybe half it would certainly help the Reds payroll overall moving forward.

      A penny saved is a penny earned. Or millions of dollars in this case.

  7. RojoBenjy

    Who foresaw Baez diving out at a low and off the plate pitch to hit a home run?

    Ultimately still didn’t matter. Heyward had the old-fashioned “game-winning RBI.” (Man, how did that stat ever become popular?)

    • Doc

      Should only be a GW RBI if it occurs 7th inning or later. Baseball has ventured into absurdity with statistics.

      • Lwblogger2

        Had. That’s a really old stat. Not well regarded.

    • ToBeDetermined

      That really didn’t look like a bad pitch at all. It was on the outside corner and below the strike zone and had some downward movement.
      Baez is a very good hitter. If he tries to pull it he will rollover it and put in on the ground. But, went with it. and put some power behind it.

      NOTE: I didn’t see the pitch sequence. Just that one pitch that went for the HR. So from what I saw you tip your hat to Baez.

      • Jim Walker

        It was an 0-1 pitch. I didn’t see the first pitch either. Play by play calls both pitches sinkers at virtually the same speed (89.1/ 90.7).

  8. Roger Garrett

    Reds are 13th in runs scored and OBP in a 15 team league.Only the Marlins and Giants are worse and nobody could name 10 players on either of those two teams because well they are playing young guys that nobody have heard of yet.We play older guys,look at our starting infield and a guy in right field that will not be here next year.Thats why we are where we are at and why we will stay there until we develop or acquire younger players.By the way the two teams I mentioned are trying to lose.Been a fan for over 50 years and I am just so tired of the same old worn out thought process of lets keep everybody and hope they get better when most are past their prime to begin with.I am with Doc and I am out of here.

  9. Burtgummer

    I just hope the Reds sell these guys who are in the last year of their contract unlike last year when they kept Matt Harvey and let him walk for nothing

      • Burtgummer

        I don’t believe anything ownership or the front office says.They’ve made a habit out of lying to the fans

    • Scott Gennett

      Several contract-year players: Wood, Hernandez, Hughes, Duke, Roark, Dietrich, Iglesias, Puig and Gennett. I’d only offer an extension to Iglesias and try to trade Roark and Puig. As for anybody else, who knows…

      • Burtgummer

        I’m not sure why any of them would even want to return to a perennial last place team and no hope of change in the near future

      • Roger Garrett

        Team has and will continue to lose unless they get younger players with some upside.None of these guys were wanted by any other team and that’s why they are here on the Reds team.It just is what it is and this team will lose regardless.Just depends if the owners think 75 wins is better then 72.Reds are better then in previous years and I expect them to just do it again in the free agent market and take chances on guys nobody wants again next year.Nobody on this team should be untradeable if the return is good enough but the Reds love all of their players which is another problem in itself.For example I like DD and all he brings to the team but he is a bench piece at best but on this team he is a late blooming star.Yeah right.

    • Ed

      I’m not sure players on the last year of their contact have as much value as some people seem to think. Someone should ask Jason about it on a podcast. Go Teds!!! #viewermail

    • Matt WI

      The Reds got Harvey for nothing (well, for a broken down Mesaraco) and left with nothing. It was pure speculation on their part. If you’re on the other side of that deal, what would have given up for Harvey? If we’re honest, he only surprised us by not just absolutely being awful. That’s where the bar was. But it wasn’t good either, and I imagine that’s what other teams saw. Not a piece they “had to have” when they could just wait 2 more months and give up nothing.

  10. VaRedsFan

    Ditto on the out of here people. They are like all of the people that were going to Canada if a particular person won an election.

    • vegastypo

      For the record, I’m outta here, too.

      (Until tomorrow. … Or maybe later today.)

  11. Jreis

    I wonder how many times this year a team gets 8 hits and gets shut out? Can’t be too many.

    Imo this has been a problem since the franchise moved to gabp. Run generation without assistance from the long ball.
    The corp group of Scooter, Winker, Votto and Suarez are not very good baserunners which frustrates the heck out of me. It takes a ton of labor to get them in from first base when they reach.

    Anyway I love Puigs passion and I hope they resign him. I am starting to agree with the above comments that our studs in the minors are not as studly as we thought originally. So if you have a puig at least fans have a reason to come to the park if the team struggles over the next few years

  12. Jim Walker

    3 losses in 4 games and burned by the bullpen in all 3, although as noted above did it really matter since the Reds did not score at all.

    • Jim Walker

      Sorry, got those left coast games muddled. The score was the same in both but only Weds was a late pen meltdown like Saturday.

      2 losses in 3 game somewhat attributable to the pen giving up late multi run bombs.

    • Jreis

      Yes it seems like the bullpen pitches much better with a lead than it does when the team is trying to come from behind. Not sure that it is a concentration issue or what?

      • Pete

        Reds with a lead in games after the 6th inning have the 2nd best record in the NL, only the Brewers are better by 1 game. Jreis, your instincts didn’t fail you.

      • Jim Walker

        I wonder if this is pretty much the norm across MLB.
        Also consider that at least for most of the season the Reds have had a positive run differential which seems to belie their losing record (currently 5th best in NL; 12 overall MLB depsite being -7 in their last 3 games) ). Maybe the pen has had multi run leads to work with and allowed almost as many runs in the wins as in the losses??

  13. Hotto4Votto

    I don’t particularly think that the stupid Cubs were throwing at either guy, but Bell had a point about going out there and arguing. If a warning has been issued, any player that gets hit afterwards warrants an ejection of that pitcher. The umpires aren’t there to judge intent. If not, it’s just another piece of mounting evidence that the umpires aren’t going to do a darn thing about players getting hit. It just goes to further show that the players have to take matters into their own hands because the umpires and MLB aren’t doing anything to protect them.

    • Jim Walker

      I have to wonder if the game situation didn’t factor heavily in the Cubs pitcher not being ejected when Peraza was HBP. There were 2 outs in the 9th, 6 run margin, nothing going on by way of a scoring threat and the HBP did not look obviously blatant. Who wants to wait around in those circumstances for a guy to come in and warm up on the mound?

      I’ll be watching to see if today’s game starts with the teams already under warning about throwing at batters.

    • Scott C

      It did nor look intentional, nor did the game situation call for hitting someone. I haven’t read the rule book on this but if their is a warning given, is there anything in the rulebook that gives the umpire the opportunity to judge intent? Umpires have to judge intent all the time, game situation, was it a fastball or an off speed pitch, is the pitcher prone to wildness, etc. BUT. if the warning is given to both teams has not the umpire given up that right to make a judgment? I understand that forcing Chicago to change pitchers at the point was probably not going to effect the outcome of this game, but making Madden use another pitcher hurts them on Sunday. And remember the replacement pitcher only gets the standard 8 pitches to warm up. I am not in favor of retaliation, and in no way want a Reds pitcher throwing at someone’s head, hands or knees but I do think that Desclafani putting one in the back pocket of Baez is a bad idea. If the league and the umpires do not police this then each team needs to send a message you throw at my guys then expect to get hit.

    • greenmtred

      The umps do judge intent. Otherwise, they’d issue warnings after every hbp. Puig’s, to me, looked intentional. The others did not.

    • Lwblogger2

      Honestly, I wouldn’t have tossed that pitcher, even with a warning issued. It was a breaking-ball that spun up there and didn’t do anything. It plunked him.

      I would like it noted however that I would have tosses Strop without warning or notice. From where I was sitting there was little doubt that his hitting Puig was intentional.

  14. Justin

    Yes…plz…we must have better options in the minors or in the Cincy area that are better than Duke!

      • matt hendley

        No they are saying another 10-14 days.

        Good news is Peralta is ready to go HAHAHAHA