Last night game was a shocking win, not in the sense that the Reds won against a very good team, but that the Reds won a game they had absolutely no business winning because of all the erroring and not-so-great offense. They don’t usually manage that kind of thing. I mean, I expected a loss, and preferred a win, but was fully to terms with a loss in a game in which I turned on the radio, heard Jeff Brantley say “That was ugly to watch,” and immediately turned it back off. Which means that tonight they will probably try very hard and make zero errors and probably lose anyway,  giant predator bobblehead giveaway notwithstanding.

Speaking of, this on the Reds website looks 100% like a WWII planespotting government information poster and is likely the result of death threats against poor defenseless ticket scanners:

Starting Pitchers

Anthony DeSclafani 4.43 1.32 65.0 64 3 3
Justin Verlander  2.41 0.73 100.2 125 9 2


Last night Jeff Piecoro said that DeSlcafani was “geeked” about pitching against Verlander, which… I… guess?


Justin Verlander was born in 1983, the same year Elizabeth Dole was nominated as Secretary of Transportation. Maybe this is what’s so exciting for DeSlcafani?


There was Much Discussion yesterday after Bell lifted Iglesius in the 9th because he was–get this– not pitching well. Certain juvenile people (okay, me) who navigated the charity telethon obstacle course that was Fox Sports Ohio’s broadcast yesterday hoping to see some verbal hand grenades were not gratified. Iglesias was humble, adult, and understanding; in other words, really disappointing from a Twitter perspective.

The ouster was thrilling in its implications of what is to be tolerated and what is not. Marty liked it; Cowboy liked it; Aunt Beth liked it. Price gingerly attempted this sort of thing in the first few days of his tenure– remember, all the winning?– but then apparently A Conversation Was Had and he went back to the Dusty Baker Anti-Sparky School of Leaving the Pitcher In Because Watching the Ball Sail Over Everyone’s Head Is Good Neck Excercise and we all know what the ultimate outcome of that was.

Starting Lineups


  1. Jesse Winker (L) LF
  2. Joey Votto (L) 1B
  3. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
  4. Derek Dietrich (L) 2B
  5. Nick Senzel (R) CF
  6. Yasiel Puig (R) RF
  7. Tucker Barnhart (S) C
  8. Jose Peraza (R) SS
  9. Anthony DeSclafani (R) P


  1. Alex Bregman (R) SS
  2. Michael Brantley (L) RF
  3. Yordan Alvarez (L) LF
  4. Yuli Gurriel (R) 3B
  5. Robinson Chirinos (R) C
  6. Tyler White (R) 1B
  7. Tony Kemp (L) 2B
  8. Jake Marisnick (R) CF
  9. Justin Verlander (R) P

News and Notes

-Scooter was 0 for 2 with a walk in yesterday’s minor league return. THIS REHAB IS A DISASTER.

-Eagles eat sloths. Sometimes they’ll snatch them right up out of a tree.

135 Responses

  1. Curt

    I enjoy your game thread intro’s Mary Beth, nice balance of fact, humor, sarcasm and love for the Redlegs. Thanks!

    • Mary Beth Ellis

      Thanks Curt. I think some would like more than 1% fact, but that would involve actual work on my part.

  2. Bill Hedges

    NIck in the 5-hole? Be still my restless heart.

  3. vegastypo

    So, let me see if I have this straight, after listening to that clip from Raisel … Part of the reason he says he wasn’t sharp is that he hasn’t pitched enough lately, but he whines if he gets used in other than closing situations?

    I have no idea what he’s worth on the trade market, but I hope the Reds at least explore the idea. (Quietly, of course. Because if he hears about it, that might tick him off too.)

    • Roger Garrett

      I thought the same thing.Always on somebody else as to why he isn’t doing well.He just wants his way and got it after he cried but this time it didn’t happen.Thought Bell had caved in either because he was told too or thought he had too.Lets see as we go forward.Personally I am with you Vegas he needs to be shopped and heavily.Last thing we need is a closer that thinks he is more important then the team especially on a team has 3 winning seasons in the last what 15 -18 years.

    • Mary Beth Ellis

      Yeah I heard that. But compared to what we thought we would hear, the clip as a whole was pretty professional.

  4. matt hendley

    the legitimate use of both WInker and Senzel, i like the lineup, hope it becomes permanent.

    • Pete

      Yes, hopefully it focuses Jesse mind on what the Reds really need from him: get on base by hook or crook. Homers will take care of themselves. Broken record but it would be great to see Casali behind the plate tonight and of course JP riding pine……..but what you going to do? Tucker and Jose are apparently a couple of management’s favorites and their going ride those horses until they completely collapse.

      • Jim Walker

        Maybe JP and TB are “management favorites” because it is harder to trade a guy for any real value when he is riding the pine???

      • Pete

        Sounds like a good reason as anything I can come up with.

      • Big Ed

        Iglesias is on paternity leave; back tomorrow. Peraza is their best option at short tonight.

        As to Barnhart, I think we saw from Casali last night that he is not near the receiver that Barnhart is. They are unlikely to plate many runs against Mr. Kate Upton, so they may as well go with the better defender.

  5. Jim Walker

    Just saw a tweet of the Louisville lineup for tonight. Jose Siri has been brought up to the Bats and is starting in CF.

    Wonder if this in turn means Phil Ervin is not returning to AAA any time soon? If so what might that mean with the Reds?

    • Seat101

      Jim thanks for the update. I would love your thoughts on the matter.

      MB, That was a great pre-cap

      • Jim Walker

        I’ve been looking for a take on it from Doug because I figure he knows more about the internal reasons it might have happened than I do.

        In a another move the Reds put Taylor Trammell on the IL yesterday with a strained hamstring. That got announced in a release which also highlighted several other minor leagues transactions. However, that release apparently did not mention the Siri move which makes mw wonder if perhaps there was an injury at AAA which prompted it (but the Bats were off Monday).

        Here is the Reds Minor Leagues story about those transactions from yesterday

      • Mary Beth Ellis

        thanks! I supposed I should have heard “pre-cap” by now, but as of this moment I’m making it mine 🙂

    • Jreis

      Yeah. I have been saying it from the beginning. ERVIN had his shot last year to take the bull by the horns and be our everyday left fielder and blew it.

      SIRI has been really good this year. I am hoping he will be our center fielder of the future

    • David

      Siri was in some trouble with the umpires due to a remark he made regarding an umpire’s sexual preference. I think Doug wrote about that a few weeks ago.

      Maybe this promotion is to get him out of AA and away from the umpire crew he had some trouble with.

      AA seems to be a pitcher’s league. A lot of guys had “trouble” at AA (Winker, Aquino, etc) and Aquino is hitting pretty well at AAA this year.

      Siri coming up might mean another promotion from the outfield at Louisville to Cincy. I think Ervin is up to stay, too.

  6. RojoBenjy

    MBE- love the allusion to the Civil Air Patrol ephemera!

    The sign of a well-read and historically savvy mind.

    • Mary Beth Ellis

      The girl who had a picture of John Adams in her high school locker thanks you, as does the woman who married a member of the Civil Air Patrol 🙂

      • ToBeDetermined

        Joh Adams in your high school locker. I guess a girl can get away with something that geeky. A guy well let’s just say he would be teased for 4 years of high school to put it kindly

  7. ToBeDetermined

    Mary Beth Ellis
    “Eagles eat sloths. Sometimes they’ll snatch them right up out of a tree”
    Is there supposed to be some deep meaning here that I don’t get ?

    How long have you had that slice of knowledge ruminating in your head ?

    • Mary Beth Ellis

      All of 17 seconds. I’m not wasting a good DuckDuckGo search.

      • ToBeDetermined

        I knew it !

        It’s one of those things you find out and you think I have no idea how You’ll ever slide this slice of information into a conversation before it flitters away from your mind. So you blurt it out and see if anyone salutes

    • Seat101

      In what song was it “raining daisies”?

      No googling allowed

    • Jim Walker

      It isn’t raining rain at all you know. It’s raining violets.

      But April Showers are six weeks behind us or 46 weeks ahead of us.

  8. Steve Mancuso

    I’m at the game. Not even cloudy. Hasn’t rained a drop.

  9. Big Ed

    I remember 1983 pretty well, but had forgotten completely about Elizabeth Dole being big news.

    • Mary Beth Ellis

      It was the defining moment of the decade! I was six and clearly remember where I was and what I was doing when I heard!!

      • ToBeDetermined

        Your December 7th or 9/11 moment

  10. Seat101

    As I understand it, it should be called a “spark write mean“ delay

    According to my weather bug app, at least.

  11. rex aultman

    I went to The Tortuga’s game last night in Daytona and had a great time. 3 dollar parking, cheap front row seats, cheap beers and free food. I have not gone to a lower minor league game in years but I must say it was great to see a hand full of great prospects in a small setting.

    Scotter was swinging hard, running hard and easily handled a few grounders in the field. He looked relaxed and very much normal.

    • Old-school

      He’s not playing tonight. Rainy and wet and reds don’t want to risk. He could be up though last weekend in June

    • Mary Beth Ellis

      That’s great! Next time Josh The Pilot and I are in Daytona refreshing our house supply of horrible tacky objects, we really want to hit up a game. (Team wasn’t a Reds affiliate when we lived there.)

  12. doofus

    “Faithless Astros.” Those heathens!

    • Mary Beth Ellis

      The LORD does not look kindly upon those who join the legion of the DH.

  13. doofus

    Let us cross our fingers that “Homer” DeSclafani can limit the “faithless astros” to just 3 home runs.

  14. Mark Lang

    Da’Wink – you don’t have to run too fast when you do that.

    • vegastypo

      Radio broadcast said Verlander was paying close attention to Winker as he whooped it up by the dugout. Let’s see if he gets ‘brushed back’ next time up.

  15. DHud

    Hmm…Winker must be trying to prove that he wants to be an every day player

  16. matt hendley

    Votto against the shift. This Verlander guy is a bum.

    • matt hendley

      I meant this as a joke of course, but DD should have stopped and stared on that one and Verlander really simmer

      • matt hendley

        Now not joking, Justin Verlander is notoriously a complete bum with the bat.

      • matt hendley

        Did i mention that Verlander is a bum

  17. Mark Lang

    Double D! Let’s chase this bum they have on the mound here in the first.

  18. Old-school

    Welcome to Cincinnati Justin Verlander .

  19. Old-school

    This game is why the Reds are frustrating. They are so close to being good.

    • Roger Garrett

      I agree but they are better because their starters keep them in the game.They are up right now 3-0 and we know if they can get a couple more then its probably over but so many times they just go for long periods in a game and are just woeful at the plate.If they get more consistent in scoring runs the game changes for Bell and everybody can relax and fall into their roles.

  20. VaRedsFan

    OK Suarez, at least get Votto to 3rd.

    • VaRedsFan

      Nevermind…since its 1 out…. drive him in.

  21. Cincyborn2012

    What has happened to Geno’s plate discipline? He is really struggling.

  22. Roger Garrett

    Suarez needs a game or two off and he will be fine.For several games he has looked really slow with the bat.

      • VaRedsFan

        If you’re going to to find a wallet, that would be the one I’d pick

      • Mary Beth Ellis

        Ha. I think his loose change could clear out the student loans currently ruining us.

  23. RojoBenjy

    Can’t get this player White out this series LOL

    • RojoBenjy

      STILL can’t do it. He’s killin’ us.

  24. Old-school

    Gennett is coming back and it may be time to admit the obvious.
    Geno Suarez can’t play everyday against righties if that means Gennett and Dietrich and Winker have to sit. It also may mean the best 3b in minor league baseball might need some starts or rotations at 3b. Suarez was awful last August and he’s awful in june now. Put Dietrich at 3b when Gennett comes back some. Put Senzel at 3b some.

    Suarez not leading this offense and big splits with handedness… Bell sent a message to Iglesias… Time to send one to Suarez

  25. Mark Lang

    and that, ladies and gentlemen, is why you don’t let your pitcher “swing away” with a runner on first and less than two outs.

  26. RojoBenjy

    Not impressed with Winker not running hard down the line on the last two grounders. Won’t see Nick Senzel doing that.

    • Broseph

      There is a counter argument to this. Does his hustle, basically a jogging tortoise really effect the play? Or does him being available to walk or drive in runs going 4 for 4 the next day matter more?

      People would complain about Votto not running out plays. This isn’t the 60s where HOF players make close to rookie league minimum salaries. There is a lot of money invested, and it’s not worth a pulled hamstring or torn up knee (see Bryce Harper).

      • Mark Lang

        Fielders bobble balls or throw off base… that’s hit’s that are being given away.

  27. C Holbert

    Does Votto expect every pitch he takes to be a ball?

    • Hanawi

      I think he expects consistency. Which is a big ask for MLB umpires these days.

  28. matt hendley

    Not every pitch, just every ball. just like the rest of us.

  29. matt hendley

    He is out out out,good job holding the tag

    • matt hendley

      which means Dave H, just got a Flyball Double play on one pitch thrown

    • C Holbert

      The analytics probably say he complains more than any other big leaguer..

  30. Seat101

    Hey guys! We’re in the middle of an exciting game. Let’s have Jim Day talk to some guy about cars instead.

    We won’t miss anything. It’s just a ball game. Everybody wants to hear an old man talk about cars during a baseball game

    At least he wasn’t talking about soccer

    • Curt

      Day’s impersonation of Turner Ward’s high pitched southern voice was pretty darn funny if I may say so…”throwin’ lawn darts, cmon”…

      • Seat101

        From the few recordings I have heard, George Patton’s voice was that high

  31. VaRedsFan

    Reds catch a break. I’m on record saying I hate that call of briefly losing touch with the bag in the process of a slide.

    This one is slightly different, because he overslid….which all bets are off in that case

  32. Seat101

    Suarez K’s On the same pitch 3 times in a row

  33. VaRedsFan

    Suarez with the hat trick already.

  34. Curt

    I’m pretty sure Suarez had his eyes closed on that last swing. Yikes

    • Indy Red Man

      Do they have any other lefties on the bench besides JVM? Verlander makes righties look like they’re blindfolded at the plate.

  35. VaRedsFan

    Verlander has the most devastating breaking stuff. He can throw it for a strike, or in a perfect spot to have players chase.

  36. VaRedsFan

    Does DH seem to not seem to do as well on the 2nd of back to back days?

    • Indy Red Man

      Feels like its the 6th of 6 days? Meanwhile Bowman is MIA

      • matt hendley

        indeed, short of some knowledge that is not being shared, Bowman will be a future solid piece of this BP. He effectively will replace Hernandez after this season, they should get him out there. Tigers taking it to the Pirates. ok fine they are winning by one. 4th place is within reach

    • RojoBenjy

      I don’t know, but i’m nervous.

    • VaRedsFan

      He’s done it 7 times this year….gave up runs in 3 of them…not including inherited runs.

  37. Mary Beth Ellis

    OK. Time for Hernandez to go.

  38. Grand Salami

    Now to Garrett. DB sure has his set up roles. And he pulled a Dusty for a L/L when Reddick is a reverse split type hitter.

  39. Mary Beth Ellis


  40. Curt

    Yes it’s Verlander but we’ve sure seen this movie a few times. A few quick runs early and then crickets. Hope they can hold, yes nervous.

  41. Grand Salami

    Out of the inning but reds get Verlander for one more.

  42. Indy Red Man

    Farmer can play! Short arms and short powerful swing reminds me of a couple of Dodgers from when I was a kid. Ron Cey and Steve Garvey. Less to fall apart mechanically with a short swing! Big time HR

  43. VaRedsFan

    So Bell went with the reverse platoon of Farmer over JVM.
    Paid off big time

    • Curt

      I think Farmer came in on a double switch earlier. But yes big time

  44. Grand Salami

    Great AB by Farmer. I think he was looking for the FB since it hadn’t come in the first 6 or 7 pitches.

    Do they go back to Raisel in the 9th?

    • RojoBenjy

      Farmer won the chess match there.

  45. Grand Salami

    Amir you gotta make him take his bat off his shoulders. Lead off walk is ugh.

    • RojoBenjy

      they took the bats off their shoulders.

  46. Grand Salami

    Amir stayed outside for both batters and got stuck forced to throw a strike. He’s looked pretty bad in the 8th and all breathing room gone.

  47. Indy Red Man

    Well when your starter never gets thru 6 and you’re running your A team of relievers out there every night then they’re going to wear down.

  48. VaRedsFan

    That’s the Iggy we need for the 9th

  49. Grand Salami

    Raisel slamming the screen door in the 8th. Just need to close the Big one.

  50. matt hendley

    Some one got their ($#$*) together.

  51. Indy Red Man

    678 for Houston next inning. I think they ride w/Iggy unless a couple of guys get on

  52. Curt

    See what a little “tough love” can do

  53. matt hendley

    Detroit has beaten the Pirates, this game is for 4th place again.

    • matt hendley

      Marlins working the Cardinals. If this game continues as such, 3 games is not insurmountable

  54. Indy Red Man

    Joey? Did Choo not teach you anything when he got hit 57 times in 1 season:)? 86 mph….take one for the team?

  55. Seat101

    MB, I’ve got an early wake up call. Once again I’m asking you to hold the victory for me while I get some sleep

    You seem to have a knack

  56. Indy Red Man

    Hmmm? Iggy was back up to 97 and he just got 4 & 5 out. I’m a Lorenzen fan….maybe its a changing of the guard?

  57. Grand Salami

    Lorenzen not getting any calls but his control is meh early.

  58. Indy Red Man

    Good game….all the way around!! Excellent job by David Bell. I like him!!

  59. Mark Lang

    We’ve tied our best winning streak of the year! That’s the good news.

  60. VaRedsFan

    Farmer has played a huge role in the last 2 wins.

    • Indy Red Man

      Good point! He’s a good player! They have some guys that I’d like to see play more instead of cringing when our bench guys came up like in years past.

  61. matt hendley

    Reds win 3 in a row, win the series against the Astors. Statement win. Back in 4th place. Only 3 games out of third against a foundering cardinals club. Look ahead and not behind.

    Good work all around by all aspects.

  62. Grand Salami

    Last AB ML really painted it and had perfect location on last two batters to induce weak contact.

    It worked.

    Both VanMeter and Farmer with productive PH appearances. They should be in full platoon with Peraza at this point.

  63. Mary Beth Ellis

    REDS: (struggle to beat Pirates)
    ALSO REDS: (poised to sweep first-place Astros)

    • RojoBenjy

      This was the modus operandi of the 1982-1983 Paul Householder Reds. Get beat by the losing teams, look like champs against the good teams.

  64. RojoBenjy

    Farmer with a huge insurance run that ended up being the margin.

    Raisel pitched very well. Lorenzen gets it done.

    Some timely hitting early on. Some good pitching by DeSclafani to get out of jams.

    Nice game!