The offseason has been long and boring for most teams and front offices. For the Cincinnati Reds, though, it has not. They’ve been very active, both in action and in attempt. Since the start of the offseason they’ve been rumored to be one of the teams that was going to go for free agent starting pitcher Dallas Keuchel. He was arguably the best free agent pitcher on the market, but probably no worse than the third best pitcher on the free agent market. But it’s now February 4th and spring training starts in a week, and he’s still unsigned.

In theory, at least, the longer a player remains unsigned, the lower their asking price will be. Whether teams are doing this on purpose or not can be debated, but that theory holds at least some water. The offseason began with rumors of a 5-year, roughly $100M price tag out there for Dallas Keuchel. There hasn’t been much that’s changed, at least that we’ve seen. The talk of contracts that have been offered, or requested, haven’t really existed. All that we’ve seen is that the Astros offered him a 2-year deal, and that two other teams have offered him a 3-year deal. No word on dollar amounts.

For the Cincinnati Reds, though, it doesn’t seem that it matters if the price has dropped or not. According to Paul Daugherty of the Cincinnati Enquirer, the Reds are out on Dallas Keuchel because they didn’t like what they saw on his medical reports. The 31-year-old is coming off of season in which he threw 204.2 innings with a 3.74 ERA. The year prior he had an ERA of 2.90, but only threw 145.2 innings. Still, he showed he was healthy with his 2018, facing the most batters in the American League. Or, well, he was healthy enough to stay on the mound to throw 214.2 innings between the regular season and the playoffs.

Whatever it was, though, Cincinnati didn’t feel comfortable with something they saw in his medical reports. Even with a boatload of healthy innings behind him just last year. The rumors from over the weekend from Jon Heyman have the team still seeking a starting pitcher. Whoever it is, though, it seems like it’s not going to be Dallas Keuchel.

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70 Responses

  1. Matt Hendley

    Interesting, if the reds are truely out then i got to say the “pitcher” we do go after will be a one year deal.

    • Sliotar

      If the Reds still have money to spend on pitching…..

      Probably would need to be a 2-year deal, he turned down QO, and still would be pricey, but why not take a run at Craig Kimbrel?

      He is sitting out there and has to be sweating a little at this point, with pitchers and catchers reporting in less than 2 weeks. Greg Holland signed late and his season was a complete disaster at the start.

      If Iglesias is in the Hader role, Kimbrel would be a true late-inning hammer to finish things off. Then, Hughes and Hernandez aren’t forced into anything new and stay in their productive roles from last year.

      If Kimbrel was signed, the team would really look like the 2018 Brewers, on paper.

      • Old-school

        Good point Sliotar. I’ve seen dialogue today Kimbrel’s best bet to save things now is highest AAV and it won’t be over 3 years. Take a shot on a 2 year deal.

      • ToBeDetermined

        Sliotar

        I was thinking similarly re: having Both Lorenzen & Iglesias in Hader / Miller type rolls and bring a Quality Closer.

        I didn’t know that Kimbrel was still out there. With Kimbrel I think that would do fine. It would kind of remind me of the “Nasty Boys”. If I recall that worked out pretty well.

      • CP

        I wouldn’t be opposed to the Reds going after the Yankee’s plan, which is solid SP followed by dominant bullpen. If there is no way to get an ace at a price the Reds FO feel like they can currently justify, then upgrade where they can. Catcher and another great bullpen arm are two areas that could happen. I love imagining a bullpen with Kimbrell….

        Kimbrell
        Iglesias (can go multiple innings)
        Lorenzen (can really go multiple innings)
        Hughes (can go multiple innings)
        Hernandez
        Garrett (can go multiple innings)
        Duke

        They might go with 8 guys in the pen at times, but man when Amir & Hernandez are the lower end guys in your pen that is just a really good looking bullpen!!

  2. gusnwally

    Lets go with what we have.I would like to start tomorrow.

  3. MARK MOORE

    No surprise. What will be interesting is who signs him and for how long.

  4. ohiojimw

    Rather due diligence operate as it should than see them take a risk outside of their risk tolerance envelope.

    Then again if this becomes a pattern involving other teams and other players, it will make me even more suspicious collusion is going on.

    • David

      Collusion? Well, of course it is. But it may not involve a lot of late night phone calls on burner phones between team GM’s. They all think sort of the same way. A lot of mistakes have been made signing older players to super-premium contracts, and now they have all learned the same lesson. Keuchel was offered some good money, but he wanted more. He can stew in his own juices.
      My guess is that he ends up resigning with the Astros, when it is all over. And let bygones be bygones, and all that horse puckey.

      • Bill

        All of this talk of collusion seems to be an overreaction. I don’t think the owners are all sitting around in their secret owners club plotting to suppress contract values. Of course they all want contract values to stay lower and increasing their profits and ability to sign players.

        I think the guys like Kuechel not having a contract has more to do with all the high AAV contracts teams are stuck paying to guys who no longer “earn” that money. Look at how many people complain about Votto’s $25 million and only producing 4 WAR, then want teams to sign the exact same kind of contract. Matt Kemp, Albert Pujols, and Josh Hamilton were all MVP caliber players who got massive long term contracts. Hamilton is out of the game, Pujols is making $28 million and provided .5 WAR last year ($29 and $30 million for 20/21). Kemp is now getting $22 million and is probably not an everyday starter for the Reds, and the guy traded for him, Homer is getting $28 million from the Dodgers to go away.

        We can argue about if the owners have the money or have $300 million payrolls all day, but the problem is they way pay is structured. Young guys in their prime are cost controlled and have a much greater return on investment. They are underpaid for six years, then are asking for large pay raises for the later years of their playing career when value is likely to decline.

      • LWBlogger2

        As far as “collusion”, I think what you describe is exactly what is happening. There are no secret meetings or discussions between owners or GMs of various MLB teams, with the goal of bringing labor costs down. What is happening is more of a market correction. Savy GMs and owners are seeing cheap production coming from players in per-arbitration or even in arbitration. They have become incredibly risk averse to giving out long contracts to players over 30 years old.

  5. ToBeDetermined

    “The rumors from over the weekend from Jon Heyman have the team still seeking a starting pitcher”.

    Are we still talking about Cory Kluber here ?
    Whose out there in Free Agency ?

    • Matthew

      Gio Gonzalez is the next best option in free agency.

      • ToBeDetermined

        Matthew, What do you think about Gio at this point with the staff that is already constructed ?

  6. Streamer88

    I found it slightly alarming that the Astros, who lost 3/5 of their starting rotation were not interested at 4-5 years. But they are at 2 years, so what’s in a medical report that suggests an injury in 3 years, but not 3 months?

    I hope they leak this to drop everyone else out and then we swoop in and get him for 4/56. What a steal.

    • Matt Hendley

      A dastardly plan…maybe it works

    • greenmtred

      Maybe not an injury, per se, but early-stage arthritis or other general wear and tear, which wouldn’t be surprising.

  7. BK

    I would love to see the Reds get Kimbrel on a team friendly deal. There’s really be no scuttlebutt on him at all this offseason.

    I’d also like to see the Reds swap a pitcher with the Blue Jays for Dalton Pompey, a former Top 100 prospect that has never had an extended look in the majors and is out of options. He’d start as a late inning defensive CF replacement, but has starter upside.

    I’m beginning to get suspicious that the Marlins aren’t really serious about moving Realmuto. This is really dragging on, but I feel good about the Reds sticking to a reasonable offer.

    • doofus

      Pompey is interesting. Nice insight.

    • Hotto4Votto

      R. Stephenson (out of options also) for Pompey seems to have a natural fit. Reds need a CF option for bigger parks/late innings, the Jays could use pitching and will be able to afford the patience for Stephenson in a rebuild year.

    • Michael B. Green

      I’ve liked Pompey for years… Good call.

  8. CI3J

    You know, I’m not sure the Reds really need another pitcher at this point. Their rotation, as of right now, would probably be:

    Wood
    Gray
    Castillo
    DeSclafani
    Roark

    Just a reminder that these pitchers made the most starts for the Reds in 2018:

    Castillo
    Romano
    Harvey
    Mahle
    DeSclafani
    Bailey

    Granted, the rotation, outside of Wood, still has a lot of question marks. Can Castillo finally put it all together? Is Gray really as good as what his numbers showed away from Yankee Stadium? Can DeSclafani stay healthy, and can he still pitch well? Can Roark pitch well enough to hold down the 5th spot?

    But the nice thing is, now some of the guys the Reds were depending on last season get to hone their craft in AAA, and as soon as one of the starting 5 falter/get injured, the best one can step in, be is Mahle, Romano, Reed, or someone else. The Reds have actual pitching DEPTH now, not just “Gosh, I hope these young guys work out, because if they don’t, we’re in trouble.”, which is exactly what happened.

    I’m ok with the Reds going with what they have. There are a lot of unknowns, but it doesn’t seem as tenuous as it was in past seasons. Before, there was basically no “Plan B”. Now, they have that. The Reds still need to leave some room for the young guys to eventually step in. I think they have just the right balance now.

    • doofus

      You can never have enough pitching.

    • ohiojimw

      With the upgrades the Reds have made in the rotation, I think Castillo can be viewed as still a bit of project; and, Disco is clearly still in the question mark category.

      It will be interesting to see just how much patience the Reds show with Castillo should he start off hemorrhaging home runs as he did in 2018. He is still optionable at the team’s discretion with him having no say over it and could end up back at AAA to work things out.

      • lwblogger2

        I’d be very surprised if that happens. His 2nd half last year showed the ability to adjust as hitters adjusted against him over the off-season. Took him some time but he figured it out.

        Assuming good health, I think there is a real good chance he’s the best pitcher on the staff. His style is such that he’ll give up some HR but most will be solo shots.

  9. WVRedlegs

    I’ve been under the impression that the Reds have been out on Keuchel since the Sonny Gray trade. Zach Duke checked the lefty reliever box. Senzel is checking the CF box. The top of rotation starter box gets a reprieve until end of July. No boxes to check at this time leaves them with ample opportunity to upgrade the C position.

    • greenmtred

      I’ve come around to being excited about signing Realmuto, if it happens, but wouldn’t it be a clear sign that the Reds are opening a two-year window? And if that’s so, the pitching, though potentially better than last year, still looks thin for a serious run. Banking on finding a really good starter in July seems somewhat short of a plan.

    • Roger Garrett

      I agree when the Reds signed Gray,Keuchel was history.Never thought he was an ace and while I agree you can’t have enough pitching I found it interesting the Astros let him leave when they had first choice.I don’t know what they offered in years and money but you would now assume it was not even close to what he may be asking.Just way too much data to use to determine what a guy may or may not do after so many innings and of course his age.Some call it collusion but in fact its just long term contracts rarely pay off regardless of what metrics used to measure it.The gut,feel and sentiment that used to say we owe him for what he has done is long gone having been replaced by we want him in our organization but not at a max contract until he reaches 40 or so. The big markets will still overpay but now even they are beginning to look even closer.

  10. TurboBuckeye

    Paying any reliever that kind of bank is foolish. Reliever performance has far too much variance to commit such a high percentage of payroll. I would’t be interested in CK at $10mm, much less $17mm.

    As far as DK goes, boy 3/48 does sound appealing. But a small market team like the Reds simply can’t afford to take a risk on a such a big signing if there are medical flags.

    • Colorado Red

      Look at what happened to the Rockies.
      They shelled out massive $$$ for a below average pen.

  11. Eric the Red

    Anybody know the plan for Finnegan? He doesn’t seem to get talked about as what he probably is–a strong LH reliever who doesn’t have to be treated as a LOOGY–but he also seems to have fallen out of the starter discussion. If he isn’t likely to be a starter on the next good Reds team, I’d like to see if he could be a strong reliever on the next good Reds team.

    • Bill

      I assume that depends on how he shows up for Spring Training. If he arrives in shape and works hard you would think he is given a chance to start at AAA, then moved to the bullpen if he is not one of the starters at AAA. If he shows up demanding to be a starter and doesn’t back it up with results he probably doesn’t have much of a future with the Reds.

      • matthew hendley

        Somebody said something about drugs? is their any proof?

      • Doug Gray

        Someone said something, and no there is no proof, and that’s why that comment was deleted.

      • matthew hendley

        Good good, cant have any of that.

  12. Shchi Cossack

    The owners and front offices in MLB have entered a new era. The Phillies’ owner, John Middleton, said it best when discussing their off season plans, “We’re going into this expecting to spend money. And maybe even be a little bit stupid about it. We just prefer not to be completely stupid.” That comment was followed up by Phillies President, Andy MacPhail, “there are a lot of different ways to improve.” When the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox and Cubs all acknowledge a level of restraint (caveat there are obviously different levels for restraint among MLB teams), the days of blank check contracts for FA are dwindling and disappearing.

    Bryce Harper (age 26): unsigned with a week before pitchers and catchers report to ST
    Manny Machado (age 26): unsigned with a week before pitchers and catchers report to ST
    Patrick Corbin (age 29): signed 6 years/$140MM
    Dallas Keuchel (age 31): unsigned with a week before pitchers and catchers report to ST
    Craig Kimbrel (age 30): unsigned with a week before pitchers and catchers report to ST

    Contracts extending past expected productive years and contracts for 10+ years are simply not being handed out like candy. That’s not collusion; that’s fiscal responsibility. Is money available for premier contracts for premier players? Sure, but that doesn’t mean teams have to ignore fiscal responsibility and ignore more economical ways to fill their roster needs.

    • Mark Moore

      Agreed … it’s a change in approach. I think it’s what we’re going to see going forward from everyone.

    • ohiojimw

      Cossack, thanks for putting up the list.

      Neither of the top 2 position FAs have signed. Both are 26 years old and could be had for the peak seasons of their careers on a 4 or 5 year deal with little risk of decline on the backside.

      There is an axiom that the least complex reason for some condition is typically the correct one. So, do we believe that all teams all crunched the numbers in their own individual way and decided these guys weren’t worth the risk or do we believe the fix is in.

      I’m on the fix.

      • Bill

        What makes you believe they are looking for four or five year deals? Everything I have seen points to a much longer contract. Five years at $150 million is a lot different than 10 years at $300 million. The reports on Keuchel are he is looking for a five or six year deal and that has been a deal breaker for many teams. My guess is Harper and Machado are looking for 10 year deals, over $30 million AAV, and multiple opt out points along the way. I wouldn’t be surprised to see one of them take a one year $35 million deal and try again next year

      • Thomas Jefferson

        While it can be easy to see who is not signed and draw conclusions from it, it is instructive to also look at who did sign. When looking at the contracts for Corbin and McCutcheon and others, it is clear that real money is being spent by teams. It takes both sides to agree to make a deal.
        Harper is a poster child for over-hyped reputation not being fully backed by his numbers, and teams know it. He is a very good player. But since his one monster season, he has three seasons of track record that now serve as the core of his baseline for future performance (seasons when he would have actually been expected to improve on the age curve). He has been worth 3.8 WAR per year, making him the 34th most valuable position player in baseball (per Fangraphs). That makes him a very good player, but does not support the best player/biggest contract narrative that has become commonly accepted over the last years as his free agency was anticipated. Now also remember that he has reportedly turned down 10 years/$300 million as free agency was starting – and add in that he never seriously considered overtures by the Nationals a couple of years ago that would have had him negotiating with better numbers and more leverage – and it seems that agent Boras has played this hand all wrong, but he cannot get away from his wait-it-out strategy, a strategy that used to increase his leverage, but no longer does.
        This does not feel like a ‘fix’ to me, but rather a very distorted system that both sides agreed to in collective bargaining, a CBA that needs a big fix.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      I agree. Teams have finally figured out that there is most certainly diminished value to be realized on the back end of these 10-year contracts. The Reds are going to go through it with Votto at some point. And perhaps enough pitchers have blown out their elbows after signing long-term deals that teams are saying enough with that noise. I don’t begrudge the players their right to be paid, but I believe the owners have a right to say they are done with throwing away tens of millions of dollars on the back ends of long contracts.

    • Matt WI

      I agree that it only makes sense to stop spending huge money on long contracts for players that will age out and be less productive over time… that really is common sense now.

      However, and this is a big however, then something really ought to change in the CBA about how players are treated on the front end. The owners now get the best of both worlds… league minimum payments for a bit for players who can and do outperform them, and when they do get “free” to make a big splash for their efforts, they are told they are “too old and not worth it.” Make pay more flexible on the front end of their career, then I have zero problems with not signing guys huge money at the end.

      • Shchi Cossack

        There are really 3 separate segments impacted by this issue. The players are obvious, but the owners are divided into 2 divergent groups, the large markets with virtually unlimited financial resources and the smaller markets with more limited financial resources. The fans want to see baseball, particularly competitive baseball, but the fans do not really factor into the issue. The next CBA should be interesting and contentious, but I really hope it doesn’t result in a work stoppage.

  13. Matt

    Spring Training – Unrelated Question. My family is going to Phoenix for spring break this year (3 boys, elementary school age). I have purchased tickets to see a few of the Reds spring training games at Goodyear, and one against the Cubs in Mesa. Other than seeing spring training games, what is there to see baseball related. Are there open practices? Can you get autographs? What do you recommend to take full advantage of spring training?

    • Mark Moore

      I believe practices are usually open to spectators. The atmosphere is far more casual during ST.

      And for a non-baseball thing, the Phoenix Zoo is top-notch in my opinion.

    • RedsinWashst

      Been there a couple times. Reds games are usually noon/1 pm. They will practice in the morning usually in the back fields. Some Reds will stop by and give autographs. You can also watch some of the minor league practices. Probably a good idea to get there early for autographs.

    • DocProc

      Get ready for a zoo at Mesa, where the Cubs always pack their park. Much calmer and quieter out in Goodyear. The Reds practice in the mid-to-late mornings on the back fields just south of Goodyear Ballpark. A slight chance of getting an autograph, but a better chance of getting a hello from a ballplayer and maybe a baseball during batting practice.

  14. Private Gripweed

    Where is the actual support for claiming the Reds are out on Keuchel because of his medicals? The referenced source in this article refers to a blurb in Cincinnati magazine that also doesn’t provide any source.

  15. The BBQ Man

    We all scoffed and were annoyed when a San Diego sports writer alleged that there might be something scaring away the Padres on Nick Senzel a few weeks ago, citing medical reports.
    Here we have the Cincinnati alleged sports writer, Paul Daugherty, now doing the same with Dallas Keuchel. Throwing out the “something in the medicals reports” line is very unscrupulous for a sports journalist. Very unethical, but that is the Paul Daugherty we know. I make it a point to never click on one of his stories over at the Enquirer. You only get to access a few stories each month before they want to hit you with an exorbitant fee. But I digress.
    Jon Heyman isn’t much better, either. A genuine New York City elitist, self-righteous boob.
    Whomever coined the phrase, “you have to consider the source” had these two scoundrels specifically in mind.

  16. REDSMAN

    Cannot guess the money he is hoping for…but IF Kimbrell could be signed to a ‘reasonable’ contract for a reasonable period, (like no more than 3 yrs) I would say yes, Yes, YES!

    And if Realmuto were to be added, WOW! That lineup with the SP as is right now, aaaaand Kimbrell added to our pen!? That dog will hunt! It simply boggles the mind.

    • Mark Moore

      I’d say max of 2 years for a “closer”, but that’s just me. Their value fluctuates so quickly and across such a broad range that it’s hard to justify anything more than that. Look at Kimbrel’s post-season struggles (and Jansen’s).

  17. Roger Garrett

    I certainly agree Mark.Closers are to me the last piece to the puzzle if a team is indeed competing to win their division or to win it all.We aren’t there yet and for what some of these guys get well even if we were would we shell out what Kimbrell wants.I say nope which it appears what others are saying as well.The market is what some are willing to pay and its becoming more and more obvious that the dog just won’t hunt like he used too.Closer stats are just nutty to begin with.Bring in any major leaguer to get 3 outs with a 3 run lead facing the bottom of the order is gonna get you a win 90% of the time.Coco Cordero made millions just that way and always made it so interesting he ought to have got a bonus just for the excitement he caused.

    • Mark Moore

      +100 for the memory of Coco closing …

  18. Tom

    I’d like to see players given a contract choice.

    Option A is the current 6 years of team control, arbitration, and free agency. This is for the players who think they’ll be super stars and are seeking a windfall

    Option B is complete team control but a standard contract with WAR escalators. The better you play, the more money you make. But, it standardized across the league. This would be great for a guy like Scooter, a now above average player, who could make a very nice living and not be in constant fear of being traded.

    • Tom

      On option B, after 6 years, if the player is cut, they get one additional year salary at their current WAR bonus level for separation.

  19. Matthew Hendley

    Now the philles are talking to the Fish about JTR

    • old-school

      Clearly the Marlins are extending their tiny window of relevancy as long as they can. Realmuto and his agent have to be disgusted.

    • Mark Moore

      I’ll take this to mean our Reds front office is standing firm on their offer (Barnhart, India, lesser prospect). Plus don’t discount the possibility of wanting to negotiate a couple more years of service.

  20. old-school

    The problem in MLB right now is too many teams don’t have a chance. They aren’t incentivized to pay to have a chance. They are also rewarded to lose. MLB needs to get rid of the “5 year rebuild manual”. At most it should be a 2 year rebuild. Or else, a strike is coming in 2022.

    Give more teams a chance and incentive teams to spend money.
    1.) Put a salary floor in place but keep the luxury tax.
    2.) Advance the playoffs to 8 teams in each league- like the NBA.

    Round 1 is a 3 game series of 1-8,2-7,3-6, and 4-5. Home teams get games 1 and 2 in their venue. With 8 teams , the top seeds can use the last 5 games to set up their rotations while the bottom teams will be fighting to get in. Winning over the long hauls is still preserved.

    Round 2 is a 5 game series of the winners.

    The NLCS is 7 games.

    Make it a 154 game regular season and start April 5 and finish Sept 25.

    Something needs to change. Too many bad teams and 5-7 mega teams.

    • Mark Moore

      Definitely the shorter season. The play-in structure you call out seems a little more like the minors where you have first and second half teams competing. The NBA or NHL playoff model might be a little too much, but if more teams get a chance to make a run at it, then you could be right about less teams tanking.

      The salary structure does need an overhaul before the CBA turns to a pumpkin and we see a work stoppage. I’m not sure how well the game can survive one given the changes in fan base.

    • Colorado Red

      Then add a draft lottery.
      So the worst team, can lose 3 spots.
      Any time not make the playoffs can get the #1 – #3 seeds.

    • WVRedlegs

      Make MLB like the NBA??????
      With all due respect, you have lost your mind. The NBA sucks. And I mean it really sucks. Regular season is meaningless. 80% of teams get to the post season. I like you O-S but mimicking the NBA is a bad, bad idea.
      I’d like to see some changes made, but not that radically. A 154 game schedule is OK, but owners will never approve that. I wouldn’t mind seeing spring training reduced by 10 days. Too long now. Increase rosters to 26. Can’t increase playoff games as they go into November now. And if expansion is on the horizon to 32 teams, I am afraid MLB will be more like the NFL, 8 divisions with 4 team’s each. That will be a travesty.
      MLB doesn’t need radical change. A winter time trade deadline and free agent signing deadline of December 20 would settle some of the nonsense. A dead period from Dec. 21 thru Feb. 1. Team’s would have a couple of weeks after Feb. 1 to the up loose ends before spring training.

      • Old-school

        Didn’t say make MLB like NBA. Said make 30 team.league have 8 playoff teams and more rounds… Like NBA where #1 seed has to play abd win first round. 162 no longer matters. The AL is not competitive. Cleveland has already clinhced. Boston and the Yankees and Astros too. There’s going to be a strike because there’s no market for players because 2/3 of teams aren’t competing from day 1.

        Recent contracts front loaded before 2022 …knowing that year won’t get paid because of the coming strike

      • Old-school

        Change to 8 playoff teams in both NL and AL.
        Huge advantage to top seeds but incentivizes 24 teams to try and pay for 16 playoff slots . Current structure creates megateams ad 24 teams competing to lose for draft slots and 5 year rebuilds.

  21. Roger Garrett

    I haven’t followed the NBA for years and don’t really plan on doing it.Its like pro wrestling in that we know what we know and everybody else does as well.I live 70 miles or so from Charlotte and wouldn’t drive there to watch a game if Jordan gave me a car to do it in.It has the best players on the planet that march to their own beat of the drum and most can’t even make 8 out of 10 free throws.They write their own contracts and decide who they want to play with and for what team.They decide when they play and how they play.They only have a coach because well they have to have one I guess and finally the regular season is an absolute joke because almost everybody makes the playoffs and the ones that don’t tanked to get a high pick next year.If Wilt could and Oscar,Jerry,Elgin and Russell would they would say they are ashamed as to where the league is at today.Out of words to tell you how I really feel about the NBA.

  22. Steve Schoenbaechler

    I don’t think we are out on Dallas just because of what one person says. And the rumors may just be something started to try to throw others off Dallas.

    I will say we are probably off Dallas. But, the reason would be because I don’t believe the FO wil increase the payroll anymore. I believe they could; I just don’t believe they would. I mean, all you have to do is consider. Sure, signing Dallas may increase the payroll to the level the Reds haven’t seen before. However, signing Dallas may also cause the Reds to sell more season tickets than they’ve ever seen before.

  23. JayTheRed

    This reference is suspicious of just trying to create news to me. Medical reports are extremely protected documents. I know he didn’t say he saw them but any information that would be leaked out like this about anyone’s medical information would result in someone losing their job most likely.

    There are lots of laws that protect medical information and if its getting out that they didn’t like what they saw that could lower his value and his ability to make more money.

    My honest opinion on why we don’t have Keuchel is because he doesn’t want to pitch here. Or maybe we didn’t offer enough years for his liking. Or it could just be the money amount.

    Either way I don’t know how much I trust it. And honestly Williams said we were probably done getting more big name pitching.

  24. MK

    Wonder which Reds’ personnel member disclosed to a reporter that there were problems with his Medical reports. This might be considered a HIPPA violation. I remember the Orioles/Grant Balfour situation a few years ago when it was disclosed he he signed followed by no contract due to a poor physical. That one almost ended in court not because he didn’t sign but because they disclosed the reason.

  25. Sam

    Medicals aside, I doubt Keuchel or Gio have any interest in signing with a last place team playing in a bandbox. I give the Reds props for trading for legit starting pitchers but top free agents aren’t coming here. If you want Kluber (or anyone in that category), the Reds will have to give up some of their prime prospects/suspects to get it done.