Free agency officially kicked off on Friday at 5 p.m. The Reds need starting pitching. You can connect the dots there. Before the dominoes start falling over, it’s time to evaluate all the options and determine who Dick William and Co. will pursue. Part one of this series looked at the best potentially available starters this offseason: Clayton Kershaw, Patrick Corbin, and Dallas Keuchel. One of those names is already off the board, and the competition will be fierce for the other two. Given the relatively small number of top names available and the large amount of teams who will pursue pitching, a middle-of-the-rotation arm might be more feasible. Now it’s time to take a look at those options in part two of the Fixing the Starting Rotation series.

As a reminder, each player’s 2019 age is given and their 2018 stats are listed. Contract projections from MLB Trade Rumors are also included.

Tier 2 (Mid-rotation starters)

J.A. Happ

Pros: Happ is coming off a career year in his mid-30s. He earned his first career All-Star nod and was a key piece of the Yankees’ rotation during their run to the postseason. Like Corbin, Happ is also a left-hander who had a sudden spike in his strikeout rate fuel his breakout. Before 2018, he’d never posted a strikeout rate better than 22.7%, which he did in 2017. It’s clear Happ has figured something out that’s allowed him to fool more hitters. His swinging-strike rate was 10.4%, his first time ever above 10%, in part because he changed the way he uses his fastball. The pitch didn’t gain any velocity, but Happ has started to throw it up in the zone against right-handed hitters with great success.

Cons: Age is the primary concern. Happ likely won’t get more than a two- or three-year deal, as few teams are going to want to sign him into his late 30s. There are also questions about whether his 2018 is repeatable. It’s not often that pitchers suddenly become all-star caliber at his age. Even though he struck out batters at a rate he’d never achieved before, he still had a below-average whiff rate, meaning regression is probably coming.

If the Reds are targeting ground ball pitchers, Happ is also not a fit. He gave up 27 home runs in 2018 and allowed more fly balls than ground balls, which is likely connected to his shift toward throwing the ball up in the zone more often. Moreover, at his age, he’s likely going to be interested in signing with a contender. On paper, this doesn’t seem like a match for the Reds.

Charlie Morton

Pros: Along with Justin Verlander and Gerrit Cole, Morton is another starting pitcher who benefited immensely from the tutelage of Astros pitching coach Brent Strom. How much did that late-career move help him? From 2008 to 2016, Morton accumulated a total of 7.8 fWAR with the Braves, Pirates, and Phillies. In the last two seasons with Houston, he’s been worth a combined 6.3 fWAR. The Astros put a huge emphasis on spin rate, and Morton saw an enormous uptick in revolutions per minute to go along with a jump in velocity after joining the club.

That change has transformed Morton from a meager back-end-of-the-rotation arm who’s lucky to get three or or four strikeouts in an outing to a pitcher who’s been among the league leaders in strikeout (27.7%) and whiff (11.5%) rates over the last two years. The right-hander is also a prolific ground-ball pitcher, though less so since joining the Astros, with a career rate of 54.1%.

Cons: Morton can get erratic. He had a walk rate above the league average in 2018 and issued four or more free passes six times in 30 starts. In some ways, this is a similar case to Happ. Morton is going to be 35 next season and likely wants to pitch for a contender as he enters the latter portion of his career. He’s also publicly stated that he’s not sure how much longer he wants to play. Still, it’d be an upset if Morton retired right before a chance to get the most lucrative contract of his career. The chances he gets that kind of offer from the Reds are likely low, though. He has an extensive injury history, including a stint on the DL in 2018 with shoulder issues, only starting 25 or more games four times in his 11-year career. That combined with his age and the recent retirement talk may make the Reds balk at signing him.

Nathan Eovaldi

Pros: Eovaldi is on more radars after a postseason performance with the Red Sox that saw him star in both starting and relief roles. Now, he gets his chance to cash in after watching his value increase with each passing appearance. Eovaldi has always had the fastball velocity, touching triple digits routinely. Strangely, missing bats was still problematic for him until this year. Staying healthy was also problematic. He returned to a big-league mound with the Rays on May 30 following recovery from his second Tommy John surgery and looked like the pitcher Marlins and Yankees fans once hoped he’d become.

By wide margins, he posted career-highs in strikeout rate, walk rate, swinging-strike rate (10.7%), chase rate (33.9%), and WHIP (1.13) as he began to throw his fastballs more and his breaking pitches less. The big difference, along with better command, is he began to more heavily feature his cutter as his top secondary offering and embraced throwing up in the zone more often. Along with his electric fastball(s), his age relative to other free agent pitchers could make him a popular target in the open market. His injury history (two Tommy John surgeries) may scare some teams away from inking him to a long-term contract, but he has shown he’s fully healthy.

Cons: Can Eovaldi hold up? He’s undergone major elbow procedures twice, which may give some teams pause — though some of those fears have been expelled after his solid regular season and head-turning playoff performance. Still, he hasn’t pitched more than 150 innings since 2015, and that’s not a fact to ignore. The biggest question involves how the market will develop for Eovaldi’s services. He’ll certainly get a huge raise from the $2 million he made in 2018. Are teams willing to pay him a little extra after seeing his gritty, seven-inning outing in extra innings during Game 3 of the World Series? There’s no doubting teams already knew who he was, but his ability to perform on a big stage may have piqued the interest of more teams. Even if Eovaldi doesn’t get a mega-deal, he could be the most heavily pursued pitcher in Tier 2 this offseason. That competition may push him out of the Reds’ price range.

Hyun-Jin Ryu

Pros: Ryu has all the makings of a dependable No. 3 starter. He’ll have starts where he looks like an ace, and at the least, he’ll usually do enough to keep his team in games. Although he made only 15 regular-season starts, Ryu is coming off his most impressive season as a major-leaguer, setting career-bests in ERA, strikeout rate, walk rate, whiff rate (11.6%), and soft-contact rate (20.1%). Among all 162 starting pitchers who faced at least 200 batters, only 12 held hitters to a lower average exit velocity (85.6 mph). The South Korean-born left-hander was even chosen over Clayton Kershaw to start his team’s first game in this year’s NLDS against the Braves.

Ryu is more of a finesse pitcher, averaging only 90 mph on his fastball, so he may age well compared to other hurlers given that he relies more on deception than velocity. This year, his deception was at an all-time high. He managed a 12.9% whiff rate with his four-seam fastball, 13th-best among starters. The cutter became a bigger part of his repertoire as well, allowing him to get out right-handed hitters with more consistency. The changeup is his money pitch; only six starters who threw the pitch 200 or more times had a higher whiff rate than Ryu (23.9%).

Cons: He’s yet another pitcher who’s had a difficult time staying on the field and is on the wrong side of 30.  In 2018, he was out from early May until early August with a left groin tear. In 2017, he missed time with foot and hip injuries. He missed all of 2015 and most of 2016 as he recovered from shoulder surgery. After throwing 192 and 152 innings in his first two MLB seasons, Ryu hasn’t again topped 126.2 innings — and that’s the only other time he’s made it past the century mark. All told, Ryu has pitched in 41 games in the last four seasons. He’s better suited for a team with a deeper rotation that can withstand him missing more time. The Reds simply aren’t that team.

Gio Gonzalez

Pros: If the Reds are looking for a durable innings-eater, Gonzalez could be a target. Since 2010, only 10 pitchers have thrown more innings (1681.1). In that time, the southpaw has made 31 or more starts in eight of nine seasons. To last that long and throw so many innings, you have to do something right. He’s not exactly Chris Sale in his ability to miss bats, but Gonzalez has typically hovered right around a league average strikeout rate. Perhaps his biggest selling point is keeping the ball in the yard. He has a career ground-ball rate of 47.2% and has allowed only 0.77 home runs per nine innings; the latter number is only topped by six other pitchers since 2008, the first season of Gonzalez’s career.

Cons: Gonzalez has always survived despite control that could be described as erratic at best. In 2017, he finished sixth in NL Cy Young voting and had the third-highest walk rate among all qualified pitchers. That number went up in 2018 and it caught up to him. Only three pitchers had a higher walk rate, and this time he didn’t have a .258 BABIP or 81.6% strand rate on his side. To make matters worse, his strikeout rate dropped to a career low as his velocity remained in the low-90s and his changeup whiff rate dropped for a third straight year. The southpaw has enough name recognition to get a solid deal in free agency. He’s someone else who will likely try to latch on with a contender. This doesn’t seem like a good fit for the Reds, and they’re probably better off staying away with his strikeouts and walks both headed in the wrong direction.

Yusei Kikuchi

Pros: Cincinnati is still the only team in baseball that has never had a Japanese player, but the organization has expanded its scouting efforts in Asia in recent years. Dick Williams said as recently as September that the Reds will be looking for talent in Asia this offseason. As the youngest player on this list with the ceiling of a No. 2 starter, Kikuchi will be a popular target for many teams and the Reds should be one of them. In 2017, he dominated the Japan Pacific League to the tune of a 1.97 ERA and 29.5% strikeout rate. Although his 2018 season wasn’t as dominant, in part due to some shoulder stiffness, he’ll be the top player available out of Asia this offseason if he’s posted. Because of the small step backward this year, Kikuchi doesn’t have the hype of Shohei Ohtani did a year ago, and that may play into the Reds’ hands because it makes him a more affordable target.

Kikuchi can touch 96 mph with his fastball, though he sits in the low-90s on average. He likes to lean on his slider — some have compared him to Corbin — but he’ll also feature a curveball and changeup. The left-hander can throw strikes with all his pitches, owning a 6.7% walk rate over the last two seasons. Scouts have also fawned over his competitive nature.

Cons: Although the results have translated well for the likes of Ohtani, Masahiro Tanaka, Yu Darvish, and others, there’s no guarantee that Kikuchi’s success in Japan will carry over in MLB. There are certainly examples of pitchers (Kei Igawa being one of the most notorious) who couldn’t make the jump successfully. Kikuchi wasn’t able to replicate his 2017 outburst in strikeouts this season and had never posted better than a 22.5 K% before that breakout. There’s no reason to think he was a one-hit wonder — he posted solid numbers both before and after 2017 — but it does lower the expectations on his ceiling. It’s also been noted that he doesn’t really have one dominant pitch but rather a handful of solid ones. The shoulder troubles, especially when paired with the higher pitch counts often seen in Japanese baseball, may also cause some teams to hesitate on paying both a posting fee to negotiate with Kikuchi and then an actual contract.

Stay tuned for Part 3 with the third tier of free agent pitchers.

 

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Growing up just north of Cincinnati, Matt has been a Reds fan for as long as he can remember. As a kid, he was often found leading the Reds to 162-0 seasons in MVP Baseball 2005 and imitating his favorite players (Ken Griffey Jr., Adam Dunn, Sean Casey, and Austin Kearns) in the backyard. One of his earliest baseball memories is attending the final night game at Cinergy Field. Matt is also a graduate of The Ohio State University and currently lives in the Dayton area. Follow him on Twitter at @_MattWilkes.

Join the conversation! 59 Comments

  1. I have really been intrigued with Kikuchi and Gonzalez for a while now. Even more so with Gonzalez now with his connection to Derek Johnson, and the improvement he made once with the Brewers. Neither will break the bank, but both would improve the rotation.

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  2. Feels like the cons outweigh the pros for all of these guys. Pass

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  3. Let’s make a deal; Iggy to the Braves got LHP Gohara and if possible OF Pache.

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  4. If the market is like last year a two or three year contract to one of the younger guys on the list wouldn’t be terrible. The problem is a two or three year contract would just be as soon as the Reds are competitive those guys would be eligible for free agency. A long term contract with any of those guys holds too much risk. I think a guy like Gonzalez is probably the best the Reds can hope for until Bailey comes off the books or Castellini drastically increases the budget.

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  5. I would definitely go after Gonzales, particularly at 2 years $24 million. Not sure about Kikuchi, shoulder issues are tricky and then having to also put out a posting fee. No one else on that list looks that attractive except for Eovaldi and I believe he will get more than the Reds can afford.

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  6. If the Reds truley believe they have the team, then go after Kluber, AND pick up Eovaldi or Ryu.

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    • Absolutely! Klubber, Ryu and trade bham + for Zack wheeler

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      • Hamilton and who for Wheeler? Mets may not be trading him as just on MLB Trade Rumors the other day there were rumblings that the Mets feel they can compete with their rotation. If they do sell off pitchers, they will want prospects, not a guy like Hamilton. I mean, they have Lagares too.

        Wheeler only has one year of team control left so the ask isn’t going to be rediculous. That said, I think it will be something like: Trammel, Santillan, + a non top-20 guy. The initial ask would be higher. Not sure if I want to do something like that for one year of Wheeler in a year where the Reds would be long shots to contend.

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        • I’m doing a whole lot of supposing, I admit. What I’m really suggesting is that the Reds FO find 3 quality starters via trade and free agent signings. I agree that there is No way that we should give up a top 100 prospect for 1 year of control of any player.

          I tried to find an off-season trade in the last two years of a starting pitcher of the level of Wheeler, Wood or Gray and couldn’t fine one. However, Gray is on the trade block…

          Here’s another way of saying what I think. If the Reds sign or trade for a #1 or #2 (Corbin, Kluber, Keuchal, etc.) they should finish the job by trading for or signing two other #2 or #3’s this offseason; instead of waiting till next year. I think the Reds FO are also looking for market inefficiencies, like players with 1 year of control vs 2 years vs 3 years etc and what has to be given up to get them.

          Maybe the Reds could give up Billy Hamilton, Stuart Fairchild #11 and Tanner Rainey #24 for Sonny Gray or something similar for Zack Wheeler or Alex Wood.

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          • I’d like to see them get DeGrom or Kluber and I wouldn’t be upset if one of our best prospects was included to get it done. They’re still just prospects and we see how risky the health of prospects can be with both Greene and Senzel. I’d like to keep them, but if it gets us an ACE, DO IT! Try to get it done with quantity over quality though, and keep our high-upside prospects if possible.

          • Not sure if that would get it done for Gray but I don’t think the A’s hang up the phone. That package would probably at least get them talking and that’s a start. Gray is kind of a “buy low” candidate and should come at a much lower price than Wheeler as far as prospects.

          • LW, Sonny Gray is with the Yankees and Cashman has publicly said they will move Gray this off-season. It won’t be expensive in prospects to get Gray. Maybe 2 prospects in the 20-30 range or lower. And Sonny Gray will come with a $9M – $10M salary for 2019.
            I don’t get the interest in Sonny Gray for 1 year though. I understand interest in Wheeler for 1 year in the hopes of getting an extension with him. I guess they would try to “fix” Gray with the new pitching coach. But Gray would be more like Harvey with the intent to flip him at the deadline. What’s the use? That is so 2018, not 2019.
            I suppose they could try to upgrade the prospects. An upgrade in what it costs to get Gray in hopes that the return would be better than what they gave up for him. Seems like a lot of moving pieces to maneuver around for a small gain.

  7. I’m not sure I’m ready to endorse trying to sign Gio Gonzalez, but one other interesting aspect to his inclusion on this list is that he was traded to Milwaukee at the deadline and worked with Derek Johnson, the Reds new pitching coach there. Gonzalez pitched better for Milwaukee (only 5 starts) and credited Johnson for making a big difference. Might make Gio easier to sign if the Reds are interested.

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    • No, No, No on Gio. He averages about 4 1/2 walks per 9. That is a recipe for disaster at GASP

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      • That’s kind of where I’m at on it. I’d love to see that durability with a lower walk rate. Honestly, I’m not thrilled with any of these guys. If they had to go tier 2, I’d go for a guy like Ryu because his injuries the past couple years have not been arm related. He may have a couple 150 IP seasons in him over the next 3.

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  8. I think it’s interesting to look at some of the pitchers that Houston added and the “narrative”, for lack of a better word, around them at the time of the trade vs. what happened with Houston.

    Verlander FIP: 3.49 (DET) 3.48 (DET) 3.84 (DET) 4.07 (DET) 2.69 (5 starts, HOU) 2.78 (HOU)

    Cole FIP: 2.66 (PIT) 3.33 (PIT) 4.08 (PIT) 2.70 (HOU)

    Morton FIP: 3.60 (PIT) 3.72 (PIT) 4.19 (PIT) 17 IP (PHI) 3.46 (HOU) 3.59 (HOU)

    If, and this is a big IF, the Reds new pitching coach really has a philosophy and the Reds are going to actually develop pitching, the Reds may not need to pay for the past performance of a “true ace.” What the Astros have done (and of course, they have paid some price for the moves, monetarily and with prospects) is create an enviroment and philosophy that seems to allow for pitchers to blossom into the best version of themselves. If the Reds can do THAT, they might be able to trade for one of those “change of scenery” type guys and maximize his value.

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  9. I think the Reds will be shopping at this level. Ryu would be my guy from this list. I think one free agent and one trade acquisition (Sonny Gray-type) would be enough for me to feel comfortable going into next season.

    It’s funny how all these guys have significant injury histories and yet are still in line to make more money than Raisel Iglesias will over his career. To me it seems like converting him to a 4 inning per start/2 times thru the order/130IP guy would 1. protect his health (as much as anyone on this list) 2. maximize his earning potential 3. provide the Reds with more valuable innings.

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  10. Reds are clearly after Lefty’s and for good reason. Ryu is my favorite on this list. I also like the lower cost Anderson and the lower available cost of kikuchi. Two of those three and we’re close.

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  11. What bothers me the most is the MLB Rumors still are mentioning Matt Harvey as a potential signing of the Reds. Certainly hope they don’t know something that the Reds aren’t talking about.

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    • It is based off the comments that have supposedly have been made by individuals in the organization who wanted to keep him and the fact that he wasn’t traded. I don’t think any of that matters unless Castellini is having direct negotiations with Boras.

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    • Wouldn’t the terms of the signing matter? Change his name and consider the quality of his pitches, and we’d probably think he’s worth the gamble. Few of the available pitchers have no injury concerns, and Harvey–here’s the gamble–was showing increased velocity and command. If the improvement continues, he could help.

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      • I agree here. I mean, I think he’d be a better sign than some guys out there. I don’t want the Reds to sign him but as far as risk, he isn’t riskier than some of these guys and his stuff still looked above average to me.

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  12. The GM Meetings start today in San Diego. The off-season gets a kick start here, but not to be confused with the Winter meetings next month. Trade conversations though can get started here.
    Jon Heyman had this tweeted out about an hour or two ago, “After a couple years mostly sitting out free agency, reds finally have some $ to spend. Starting pitching is the priority. Will consider top of market (Corbin, Keuchel). They liked Harvey, too. Tough to get pitchers to Great America. Also will consider adding an outfielder.”
    I doubt the Reds are anywhere near discussions with Corbin or Keuchel. Both had been given Qualifying Offers and will have draft pick compensation tied to them.
    It will come down to one free agent pitcher, hopefully not named Harvey. I think Gio will be given serious consideration. Being a LHer, the years and money all fit rather neatly. Eovaldi almost gets too expensive, but I think the Reds will be in up to a point, then bow out. The competition will be stout. I think the Reds will try to buy very low on Sonny Gray. One, because that is there usual M.O., and two, the connection the with new pitching coach.
    Again though, OF is being mentioned as of a particular interest for the Reds. Free agent-wise, there isn’t much on the OF market. Of course there is Bryce Harper, but also Michael Brantley, Cargo, Marwin Gonzalez, Nick Markakis, Andrew McCutchon, and AJ Pollock. Pollock is an ideal fit for the Reds in CF, and a RH hitter. But he was given a Qualifying Offer and will also have draft pick compensation tied to him. That might make the Reds stay away. McCutchen might make for an interesting corner OF addition.
    The 7 players given a Qualifying Offer: Corbin, Keuchel, Ryu, Kimbrel, Grandal, Harper, and Pollock.

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    • I believe the Reds 1st round pick is protected even if they sign someone with a QO, so it isn’t as big of deal as in the past. If I am reading it correctly the Reds would lose the third highest pick if they signed one of those guys

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      • Only if we sign “two such players” i believe is the new rules.

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      • Yes it is their third pick, which next year’s draft will be a 2nd round pick. That will be a pick around #50 overall, since the Reds will be picking #7 in each round.
        The new CBA brought new compensation rules on that Qualifying Offer that I still get confused on.
        I keep forgetting that the Reds are a revenue sharing team so that means that don’t have to give up their 2nd overall pick, which would be the Competitive Balance pick. But they would have to give up their 3rd pick as you correctly point out. That probably won’t be of much concern.
        Giving up your 2nd pick in the CB round in the low 30’s overall gives some pause for concern about giving that one up. That is where the Reds have drafted Michael Lorenzen, Alex Blandino, Taylor Trammell, and Jeter Downs.
        In this regard, it is good the Reds are a revenue sharing team.

        https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-qualifying-offer-rules-explained/c-259650658

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  13. FanGraphs has published the Steamer player projections for 2019.
    https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/2019-steamer-projections-now-available/

    Not the “end all/be all” but very useful. It projected a big step forward for Suarez in 2018.

    Projections for some of the names mentioned above (in WAR)…..

    Happ 3.3
    Eovaldi 3.0
    Ryu 2.2
    Gonzalez 0.9

    If the Reds are going to try and squeeze more life out of Gonzalez and Miley (not seen in this series yet, 0.7 projection)….OK.

    But, IMO, wait until after the New Year, and sign them to a cheap 1 or 2 year deal, as the Brewers did with Chacin.

    Gonzalez only got through 6 innings once in 5 starts (vs. Reds) with Brewers/Johnson.

    Signing 33 year olds to exceed expectations and become 2 win pitchers feels more logical for 86-win teams, like the Brewers in 2017, but less than optimal for 67-win teams.

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    • I really agree about signing older pitchers. The Reds won’t get anybody who’s pefect, but unless they believe, with good reason, that they’ll be contenders next year, they should avoid mid-30’s guys who would be, essentially, placeholders with hefty price-tags.

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  14. The winter of 17-18′ redlegnation demand was trade for Christian Yelich, to the point of absurdity – LOL.

    This winter, I think it’s: Trade for Corey Kluber!!!

    Kluber’s contract looks like one that could be extended to a plus one year and take away the 1M club buyouts.

    I would trade A LOT for Kluber – Hunter Greene, Tyler Mahle, Jose Siri and Shed Long for example, may or may not be enough. Kluber seems clearly to be on the trading block.

    1. Kluber
    2. Alex Wood – Trade Billy Hamilton + to get him
    3. Kikuchi or Ryu
    4. Luis Castillo
    5. Anthony Desclafani

    We still have valuable assets in: Romano, Reed, R. Stephenson, Garrett, Sims, etc.

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    • Most of these guys Romano, etc have virtually 0 value.

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      • Romano had good numbers out of the bullpen in a small sample size 3.77 era, 3.58 fip. He has potential to be a middle reliever with several years of control and still has upside.

        Reed had an under the radar season with 3.98 era, 3.91 fip and 3.51 xfip in 45 innings. He is also probably a middle reliever with several years of control and has some upside.

        Garrett – clearly has value as there were request made from other clubs per mlbtraderumors this past trade deadline.

        Stephenson – still has the best stuff, but the least value, but not “0” and same for Sims.

        I think the FO will be wise to shop some of these guys to upgrade the starting rotation.

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    • I can’t imagine getting Kluber without giving up Senzel and I might be okay with that.

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  15. I am glad that they have Derek Johnson on board before they start making offers to any of these guys.

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  16. Gio nope but could go with Ryu though even if they are basically the same kind of pitcher.Ryu misses more bats so he gets the nod.Morton is interesting though.He has at times stuff that is unhittable but can walk himself in to trouble.Wouldn’t pay Morton 16 million though way to much for a guy 35 years old.Would go 10 on him or Ryu and not blink.Eovaldi goes to the highest bidder but he would great for us but it ain’t happening.Happ is homer happy to being with and that doesn’t fit in GABP.

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  17. Eovaldi will get more than 4 yrs/$60 million, just hope it isn’t the Reds that buy.

    Does anyone think Harvey could be one of the type of guys our new pitching coach can help reclaim some magic? Sure seems like that was Derek Johnson’s main selling point when he got hired…

    And if we could import Kikuchi for 6 yrs/$42 million i would bite hard on that. My bet is he gets closer to 6/60 or better. Just so few real FA options, teams will end up buying hype as they (almost) always do.

    And while I think Gio might be a decent get given his history with DJohnson, only way I want the Reds to buy there is if he is much more of a “Tier 3” purchase based on that cost.

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  18. Are the Reds trying to win a World Series in 2019 or go 83-79. My sense is they want to convince you of the former but really targeting the latter.

    Winning a world Series means signing Keuchel at 125 million over 5 and adding a dominant proven starter in a mega-trade for top prospects who aren’t major league ready plus a pitcher who is : Corey Kluber for Hunter Greene, Jonathan India, Jeter Downs and Tyler Mahle.

    SP: Kluber/Keuchel/Castillo as traditional starters 1/2/3.
    SP 4/5 – Disco/Reed as 3-5- inning+ starters with early bullpen help
    Bailey as a spot opener for 2 innings to be followed by Reed or Garrett
    H&H and Iglesias in the late innings plus the mutil-dimensional Romano, Lorenzen Garrett combo. If Bailey cant prove he can be a spot opener, sign a FA bullpen guy and DFA him.

    Put Senzel in the offense, prioritize offense and keep Trammell and Santillan as high minors prospects ready to step in for 2020.

    Otherwise, just go 72-90 and purge veteran contracts and go for 2020.

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  19. Cleveland is only going to trade Kluber for a package including a cost control impact bat that is ready now. If we want him, its going to take Senzel.

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    • Kluber contract is great .
      But Cleveland is in trouble for 2019 with kipnis and encarnacion contracts and lost bullpen and Houston and Boston and Yankees seemingly dominant for 2019. They need a reboot for 2020 and lindor and Ramirez will soon need massive extensions if the Indians expect them to stay.

      Greene/ India/Schebler and Mahle .

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      • SABR Chris is all over this.

        Can’t envision a scenario where Kluber (projected 4.9 WAR in 2019) comes to Cincinnati without Senzel going back as part of a package.

        Plus, probably also have to take a bad contract to give CLE salary relief….one year of either Kipnis or Yonder Alonso.

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        • That said…I am with you, Old-School….fine to sign some FA guy for 2 years (even Harvey, I guess) and let Big Bob declare “victory” that pitching was acquired.

          But…signing Keuchel for 5 years (Boras client) or gutting the farm system for a Kluber that has thrown 200+ innings for 5 straight years (and shown it in the playoffs)?

          That feels desperate/knee jerk..whatever the right word is.

          Play 2019, blood Senzel/Winker and young arms, then ditch Hamilton/Bailey and make moves next winter.

          I feel like the Brewers winning 86 games, then landing Yelich as Marlins are gutting team is some sort of blueprint in Reds Country for where the team is at this winter.

          The two teams aren’t in the same situation. I hope someone in the front office convinces Castellini of that.

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          • This is exactly right. A team that won 68, 68, 67 games and then blowing up its farm system for a 33 year old with 2 years of team control left is literally insane. I can’t believe anyone is even seriously considering it. Trading for Yelich made total sense because the guy was 25 and under contract through 2022.Oh and in 2022 he will be 31 years old, still younger than Kluber was last year.

            Someone above mentioned what Cleveland needs is bullpen help and a 2nd baseman. Conveniently enough, the Reds have a closer they can’t use and a 2nd baseman blocking their best prospect in ages. If the Reds are going to make a deal with Cleveland it needs to start with a package of Iglesias/Scooter. Maybe they add someone to that, maybe they take back Kipnis’s $16.5 million to help make it work and use him as a back up. But the Reds should absolutely not be in the business of trading Major League ready talent for 33 year old players with 2 years left on their contract.

          • The cost to win in 2019 is exceedingly high. Or- it’s shoot for 83-79 and target 2020.

    • You are correct, and Kluber is 33 next year. We’ve waited too long for Senzel to swap him for a pitcher in his decline phase.

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    • No, No and No. There is no way the Reds should trade Senzel for two years of a pitcher already on the wrong side of thirty. We are not going to compete this year. And while we are there no taking bad contracts in order to get an older pitcher on the downward spiral. We already have Homer for that.

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  20. The Reds should seek pitchers in trade, but Senzel, Greene and Trammell should not be included. The Reds have other prospects and young major leaguers that can be included in deals. Why can the Astros cut deals for pitching without including their Top prospects and still get effective arms?

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  21. Is there a trade out there where the Reds could take another teams bad contract in order to get a good young pitcher?
    For example: Reds send Iglesias to the Indians, take the Jason Kipnis contract off their books, and get top-50 overall pitching prospect Triston McKenzie in return. Indians get bullpen help and save about $9 million, Reds get a talented young pitcher.

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  22. Dallas Keuchel reportedly declined Houston’s qualifying offer. That means he’s still up for grabs!

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  23. It looks like tier 2 is where the reds are targeting. Paul Daugherty says the Reds are adding $30 mil in payroll in the form of a mid rotation starter and mid/ late inning bullpen piece. MLB traderumors has a list of projections. Happ and Ottovino would improve the Reds immensely- but only to 80-84 wins. Still no path to winning in 2019.

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    • Adding $30MM to payroll sounds impressive, but any addition includes Hamilton & Scooter (3rd arb eligible), Disco (2nd arb eligible), Peraza & Lorenzen (1st arb eligible, Bailey ($2MM raise over 2018). The expiration of Mesoraco’s contract will offset the bulk of the known payroll increase but probably not all.

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  24. Reds payroll is ~ 100 million with scooter and Hamilton and raises… 30 million gets it to $130 million and 82 wins with FA pitching add-ons.

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  25. You can take Ryu off the list. He accepted the QO from the Dodgers

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About Matt Wilkes

Growing up just north of Cincinnati, Matt has been a Reds fan for as long as he can remember. As a kid, he was often found leading the Reds to 162-0 seasons in MVP Baseball 2005 and imitating his favorite players (Ken Griffey Jr., Adam Dunn, Sean Casey, and Austin Kearns) in the backyard. One of his earliest baseball memories is attending the final night game at Cinergy Field. Matt is also a graduate of The Ohio State University and currently lives in the Dayton area. Follow him on Twitter at @_MattWilkes.

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