Marc Sheldon has a post with information on Charlie Montoya and Hensley Meulens. 

The ten people: Jim Riggleman, Pat Kelly, Billy Hatcher, David Bell, John Farrell, Joe Girardi, Brad Ausmus, Freddie Benavides, Montoyo and Meulens. 

Still waiting to hear: Chad Dotson (who had made it known he’s available).

66 Responses

  1. Hotto4Votto

    I like that they’re interviewing someone from the Rays organization. As a whole, they appear to be smart, savvy, and ahead of the curve more often than not.

  2. Michael Hutton

    if it’s not Farrell or Girardi they need to keep looking…

    • Ghettotrout1

      Both are old heads just like Riggleman so not sure why you would expect much of a difference

      • Ghettotrout1

        They are both retreads. Both got fired for a reason bull pen management and not connecting with younger players they will be just like Riggleman.

      • doofus

        Both have World Series rings, is that worth something?

        Perhaps young players need to learn to connect with more experienced managers? I’m curious, why is the argument always the other way around?

      • vegastypo

        It all comes down to talent anyway. Having a ring doesn’t make you a great manager. Joe Torre and Terry Francona didn’t win until they got the talent to work with. How many titles did Bruce Bochy win in San Diego?

    • Marty Nickell

      It should be Joe Girardi hands down, the guys got everything you need, the drive,the hard work, an fire plus motivation that this Reds club desperately needs

      • Ed

        I agree with you marty. Girardi would provide leadership that they have not had. A proven winner. I llike a manager who will hold people accountable. He would set the tone on a winning culture. This would be a cake walk to what he had to put up with in New York. Their seems to be a inference to this young and entitled generation that they have to be babied to get them to perform. I guess thats the way of our country today. They believe the tale wags the dog. The reds need a blend of a guy that knows when to kick their butt and pat them on the back. Girardi wins thats all i care about.

      • lwblogger2

        I think you may be generalizing too much. I think perhaps the perception is that young players need to be “babied” and I also think there is a perception that the Reds’ players need a kick in the pants. The truth however, is that an effective manager is able to know what motivates each of his players. I’m a fairly old guy but never responded well to having my butt chewed. All it did was get me down on myself and then I’d start pressing. Pressing in baseball is really bad. I required a lot of positive encouragement, especially after a mistake or during a slump. Other guys I played with would just skate with that kind of treatment and needed to be pushed or needed a good butt chewing.

      • jazzmanbbfan

        Completely agree LW. Being yelled at had an opposite effect on me, whether it was in sports or other areas of life. My best coach ever didn’t yell at us, but spent time teaching and letting each of us on the team know that he had confidence that we could execute what he taught. At least for that group of players, it worked.

  3. CI3J

    At this point, I’m hoping for Bell or Farrell first, Girardi or Ausmus second, although I’m intrigued by Montoyo.

    All the other names on the list can go pound sand.

  4. Scott C

    I hope that they look at a lot of candidates. Hope they are not just giving the appearance of looking and fall back on Riggleman.

  5. Jim Walker

    Interesting that Meulens represents the Reds second dip into the Giants org for a candidate (D.Bell the 1st). Perhaps Bell has quietly removed himself from consideration and tipped Meulens as a guy with similar views and outlook??

    • WVRedlegs

      Meulens was a finalist last year for the Yankees job and just got edged out by Boone.
      When I saw his name my first thought was that this changes things now in this search. Montoyo only adds to that feeling. The candidates seem more diverse now, baseball-wise. And if Eduardo Perez really interviews that gives the front office several different outlooks on baseball to choose from.

      • Joe Farfsing

        Eduardo Perez was the color analyst in the StatCast broadcast the other night. I didn’t watch but that song gives me faith he’s versed and open to advanced metrics

      • vegastypo

        You know, I was watching that because it was the first channel I came to, and I found it pretty interesting. I caught myself a few times wondering what they were saying on the ‘traditional’ broadcast (when I realized there was another broadcast), but didn’t care enough to change the channel and find out.

        I confess I’ve never heard of the guy from Tampa Bay, but if he brings a fresh perspective, and the Reds recognize that, I’d be impressed.

      • lwblogger2

        Agree with everything you put here.

  6. roger garrett

    Could be and I hope so.I just hope this isn’t just a for fun exercise but rather a deep deep search to find the right guy to run this team.I want to be optimistic and want to see the Reds give us some hope they actually have a pulse and are trying to improve but for me it can only happen if they bring someone in from the outside.We shall see.

  7. Jim Walker

    With Reds moving their external search from a usual suspects list (except for maybe Bell) into the territory of guys looking to step up to the manager spot for the first time, I’m feeling somewhat reassured that Riggleman is not the choice unless no one else the Reds wants will take the job on the Reds terms.

  8. redlegs64

    This is good… very good. Both of these candidates have organizational pedigree. They are not current managers, so they have different perspectives. It does not mean they are the best or even qualified, but the fact that the Reds are talking with them indicates a break from the most recent manager search. It’s also important that Krall & Williams see some various perspectives.
    If the Reds are going to turn the page, these outside guys with fresh perspectives can only help. Let’s hope that one of them really shines, because I’m not sure I can take more of the same.

    “Definition of insanity – doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.”

    • greenmtred

      It would be insane to hire a new manager and expect a big change unless there’s a serious and effective overhaul of the roster. Catching bits and pieces of the playoffs and seeing the crisp competence of much of the play from these good teams puts the Reds’ situation into uncomfortable relief for me, since I spent the season seeing only the Reds and their opponents, and I’m feeling little optimism about the near future at this point. I certainly agree that they need a manager who is forward-thinking, open-minded and able to use the data available in his decision-making process, but changes notwithstanding, the game revolves–as it always has–around pitching, hitting and fielding. If your players aren’t good at those things, it will only matter a little how you deploy and analyze them.

      • roger garrett

        I agree 100% that’s why I cringe when I see or hear or read that the Reds seem to be content with their starting 8.I like them all but if they want to improve to open next year with these same guys is not the way to go.Sure we are just bad at pitching and the stats say so but we are no where close to being good enough on offense and defense.I also understand the fix if you will must come in stages so I am good with that but lets do something please.

      • lwblogger2

        Yes. I watch a lot of games and there were a lot of times I found myself saying “Man, the Reds have a long way to go to beat these guys out over the 162”

  9. Wayne nabors

    I have to agree with jim,i think this search is more than smoke and mirrors, if they were gonna stick with the buntmeister I’m not sure it would be this many interviews, intrigued by meulens tho

  10. Chad Dotson

    I still haven’t heard from the Reds.

    • Jim Walker

      Clearly you the guy are too far out of the box DW keeps referring to.

      • Chad Dotson

        Yes, Dick Williams does. Bob Castellini isn’t my biggest fan, though.

      • greenmtred

        More evidence, if any were needed, that he should content himself with signing checks and stay out of baseball opeations.

    • lwblogger2

      I haven’t either but I was just trying for a job on the baseball operations side, not the dugout. I’m not sure I’d be a good baseball manager.

  11. Hotto4Votto

    I do like that the stated “expansive” search appears to actually be more expansive than I thought it would be. I had guessed during the season they would take a look at Larkin, Farrell, Riggleman, and Bell and pretty much stop there. I’m glad this is one of the times the Reds are following through with what they said.

    If they still end up hiring Riggleman I reserve the right to take back any good will. ha.

    • jazzmanbbfan

      I’m with you all the way on the good will H4V. Happy they are at least giving the appearance of being serious about this search.

    • Jim Walker

      Very much agree with your last sentence. I’ll be more frustrated/ disappointed/ angry if they make Riggleman Mgr after a search than if they would have just handed the job to him during the season.

      • vegastypo

        That’s pretty much how I feel as well, Jim. It wasn’t good to just give it to a guy without a real search, but it would seem maybe even worse to go through with interviewing a dozen people and then give it to the same guy anyway.

        I’d like to think that maybe a few of the early candidates just seemed so ‘old-school’ that Williams/Krall had to cast a wider net to get some different perspectives.

        And for the record, I’m still waiting to see a clear sign that this organization has a point of view beyond Walt Jocketty and his cronies. If it’s Riggleman after all, then we know Williams is just for show.

  12. KDJ

    Will the just go with the lowest bidder?

  13. Bill

    While they are interviewing they also had the to trade some international pool money to the Marlins for a A ball pitcher, 22 year old Ryan Lillie.

    • lwblogger2

      Interesting. Played at three levels last season. Seems to be a strike-thrower. A little more from marlinmaniac.com

      “Lillie had started his college career as a catcher and relief pitcher, and didn’t make his way into the rotation until his junior season in 2017. His fastball stays between 91 and 94 MPH, and is rated as his best pitch. He also has a decent curveball and an average changeup.”

  14. jreis

    I think more than anything the next reds manager needs to be a good motivator. I thought maybe Riggleman could be that guy but the last 6 weeks of the season proved me wrong. the guys just stopped playing.
    we have good young talent it is just a matter of getting the players to play to their potential for a full 162 game season. of the 10 candidates so far I like Hatcher and Giardi. I think the players would respond to them and play hard.
    I still think Larkin eventually will be the next long term manager for the reds it is just a matter of when he is ready.

    • David

      Yes, I personally think the “end of the season” fade might have really tarnished Riggleman in the eyes of Williams, for certain.
      Riggleman FAILED in resting key players down the stretch, and was complacent about the Starting lineup (remarks) for 2019. Is this the view of the Front Office?.
      I am NOT satisfied with the starting line up for next year, at all. We may end up with same starting line up, but losing 90 games for the 4th straight year should cause the manager to at least make noises about not being satisfactory and end the complacency. I think at least ONE player has to go, and that would be Hamilton. There are a couple of others that could be replaced with improved players. This was Peraza’s first FULL year at SS, and I would expect him to be better next year.

      And I would also be surprised if Winker is 100% after shoulder surgery in 2019. I don’t know if the Reds can depend on him to be a good hitter next year. Time will tell.
      I am overall NOT satisfied with the Reds outfield both offensively and defensively. And defensively, their infield kind of stinks.

      • Scott Gennett

        Yes, I agree too Riggleman failed to rest players here and there, in particular he should had played Herrera more often to spare Gennett and Suarez. The OF is a big question, I don’t think that of Winker, Schebler, Hamilton & Ervin will make it, but it’s yet to be seen if a) Senzel is inserted in the mix, b) if Hamilton is tendered and c) if a new CF is brought in. As for the IF I believe it’d be a defensive liability to carry all three back again in 2019. Suarez is a long term asset and Peraza should just get better, therefore Gennett is scapegoat and should be traded.

      • David

        We need a fuller understanding of Gennett;s shoulder injury. is is chronic, or can surgery or time and therapy fix it?
        Can he play left field? Would it be better to have Gennett in LF and Senzel at 2nd base ?(Ancient Aliens theorists say yes.) Gennett has always been a kind of crummy 2nd baseman, and Senzel could be pretty good.
        From what I understand, Girardi is also pretty much “old school” in Thinking. Tampa Bay has been an early acceptor of advanced baseball metrics, in terms of evaluating players, so the candidate from Tampa Bay (Charlie Montoya) could be a stonger candidate if that’s your thing.
        Hensley Meulens served under Bruce Bocchi, who has been a successful manager, when given talent.

      • roger garrett

        The last month of the season the Reds pitched to an under 4 ERA but the offense was exposed.Maybe they were tired,shame on Riggs,maybe he was more focused on getting Votto,Scooter and Suarez some personal rewards,maybe they were facing teams fighting for the playoffs and the games stayed close in and beyond the middle innings but the lineup minus Erving in for Winker is what we would call the regular lineup.I never thought the Reds were good enough offensively and certainly wouldn’t say basically we know who are starters are going to be so why conduct an audition.That’s just a dumb comment about any team but for one that has lost as often as this team has in the last 4 years that’s beyond dumb.If this is just the company line that he swore to say then we have bigger problems then Riggleman.

      • greenmtred

        I firmly believe that we have bigger problems than Riggleman. This off-season could reveal alot about what the Reds’ intentions really are. They have some promise, but significant upgrades are needed if they are going to be competitive. Maybe the right thing to do in, for example, centerfield is to use a place-holder such as Schebler rather than trade for high-end talent, since Trammell and Siri and others are waiting in the wings. But if they apply that theory to much of the team, we’ll know with some certainty that they aren’t serious about competing, regardless of what they say.

  15. Kyle Farmer

    If you want to get a better feel for Charlie Montoyo, check out the book “Where Nobody Knows Your Name” – he is one of the central minor league personnel that the book follows. He’s a pretty amazing guy and I really hope the Reds hire him. Plus, the book itself is outstanding.

    • lwblogger2

      Thanks for the tip! I’m always looking for good baseball reads.

  16. Dowdeezy

    It’s all fun and games until uncle Walt weighs in.

  17. Mason Red

    So a new manager will fix things? Not hardly. If bringing in a new manager is the only major move this franchise makes this offseason it’s going to be another long year next season. This team didn’t lose over 90 games again because of a bad manager. Unless this franchise is going to be aggressive in bringing in more talent a new manager,regardless of who it is,won’t matter.

    • Bill

      In addition to the new manager, you should expect at least one free agent starting pitcher. The question that remains is what caliber of player will be signed. If you believe what Castelini and crew say, then payroll will be the highest it has ever been. I believe the previous high was around $115 million. Currently they are on the hook for around $70 million in 2019 plus whatever the arbitration eligible guys will get, which will push it closer to $100 million.

      • Sliotar

        @Bill…good post.

        The struggle I have is… adding a age 30+ pitcher, paying free agency $….for a 67-win team.

        Would much rather the Reds take the “free agent SP $” and see if a team would make a trade, where the Reds get a controllable young arm and also take on another team’s bad contract. Try to use the $ that way.

        Examples – trade with Dodgers, get young pitching and take final year of Matt Kemp
        or, trade with Indians, get young pitching, take on final year of Kipnis or Alonso.

        Personally, I can’t believe the Reds won’t give all the young arms the 2019 season to fully prove themselves, but the Reds ownership is apparently as knee-jerk as ever.

      • Joe Farfsing

        The Reds gave the young arms 2018 to prove themselves. And 2017. And 2016. They failed. That’s not knee jerk, it’s possibly finally acknowledging that they failed with this crop, by and large. Votto is post-prime but still good. Suarez, Schebler and Gennett are in their primes. Winker entering his. This is a team set to contend now if there is substantive pitching. Deal your prospects for one really good pitcher and try to sign one of Keuchel or Corbin and you have a legit contender.

  18. Bill j

    The pitching should have been sorted this year. I would have liked to have seen the young pitchers given every opportunity to fail, but they have BobSteve at Louisville, Garrett in the bullpen and Romano pitches 1 good game at the end of the year like BobSteve did last year and they think everything is ok. Then the first thing you hear about the winter is they may be looking for a couple of outfielders.

    • Sliotar

      The 2018 Reds did not hit enough HRs.

      Most of the Top 10 in HRs made the playoffs.

      Playoffs…Houston got 8 HRs in sweeping Indians, Brewers 4 in sweeping Rockies…Dodgers 7 HRs in first 3 playoff games, Yankees 6 HRs in first 3 games.

      Adding an OF and replacing Hamilton would help…we will see if he gets DFA’d.

      On top of this….in 2018

      Wisler zero starts
      Sims zero starts
      Garrett zero starts
      Lorenzen three starts
      BobSteve three starts
      Reed seven starts

      Throw them all in the bullpen in 2019? That is a lot of cost-controlled young arms who all can’t be the closer and who aren’t going to be maximized, pitching less than 100 innings.

      But….sure feels like Big Bob is embarrassed by the unfinished rebuild and is set to “do something.”

      • BigRedMike

        I concur in regards to the offense. The Reds need improvement in the OF. Not sure why there is so much content with the offense.

        Reading articles on the Athletic in regards to the other teams in the division. Their GM’s have all discussed how their teams need improvement and few positions are safe. These are teams that finished well ahead of the Reds.

        Adding a couple of average pitchers is not going to make this a competitive team in the NL Central. The other teams are looking to improve as well and are not standing still.

      • Bill

        It’s probably not that everyone is content with the offense. It is that the offense can compete when everyone is healthy, the starting pitching is absolutely horrible in comparison. Almost everyone agrees that CF must be upgraded. Winker shows promise in the corner, Schebler is above average, and the infield had three All Stars plus improved performance from Peraza as the year went on.

        Defense and pitching is what kills the Reds chances. Offensively they lack some slugging, but don’t struggle to get on base. Replacing Hamilton will immediately improve the offense, however possibly weaken the defense. Yes we would take Trout, Machado, and Harper as free agents, but realistically the best place to spend money is on the second tier of SP

      • greenmtred

        A conundrum (not THE conundrum, for there’s more than one) for the Reds is that those infield all-stars were major contributors to the poor defense.The outfield wasn’t stellar in any area, but improvement in offense there will also probably come at the expense of defense. It’s a hard balance to strike, since neither is, by itself, sufficient.

    • greenmtred

      It’s probably true that young pitchers don’t develop on a uniform schedule, so it’s certainly possible that, with some of them, the sorting is not complete. But it’s also true that the Reds need to add pitching talent from outside the organization, since it is inconceivable that all of the young guys will prove to be good MLB pitchers.

  19. doofus

    Legitimate contending teams are comprised mostly of pitchers they obtained in trade, free agency, international signing, etc. They do not rely solely upon their own draft. Pitching is fickle. A good front office uses ALL methods to obtain pitching.

    OTBT! Outside-the-Box-Thinking! In other words: GET RID OF WALT JOCKETTY!

  20. msanmoore

    Tom Prince of Pittsburgh. I’m really beginning to hope we’re moving away from Riggs and the old school candidates.

    Fingers crossed.