The Reds under Bryan Price began the season 3-15. That team played without Anthony DeSclafani, David Hernandez, Michael Lorenzen, Eugenio Suarez, Scott Schebler and Matt Harvey. They were the Reds of Gallardo and Gossington. Price was fired. With tonight’s loss to the lowly Kansas City Royals, Jim Riggleman’s Reds may finish the season 3-13.  

Don’t expect Clint Hurdle’s Pirates to show mercy this weekend. 

Cody Reed wasn’t sharp, wasn’t terrible, against his former organization. Jose Peraza lined his 14th home run over the left field fence. He’s been one of the few exceptions to the team-wide batting slump and he’s finishing a season of great improvement at the plate. Otherwise, Reds bats were shutdown by Heath “Cy” Fillmyer. Their offensive outburst of 3 runs last night, closer in the rearview mirror than it seems. 

Tonight’s calamity: dropped throws; errors on routine ground balls; not looking runners back; misjudged fly balls; relievers with more walks than strikeouts; and a second baseman misplaying left field, presumably still without his own outfield glove. Those lowlights were from the part of the game I could bear to watch. Peraza committed his NL-leading 22nd error tonight. Second most in the NL is Eugenio Suarez with 19.

Going through the motions: “To do something without making much effort to do it well.” 

Cincinnati Reds 1 (66-93) • Kansas City Royals 6 (56-102)

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91 Responses

  1. Dewey Roberts

    I am so glad we have developed a winning culture already.

  2. I-71_Exile

    Is Suarez regressing defensively at third? It so, is he playing himself into another position assuming Senzel’s minor league defensive reputation holds up?

  3. Sliotar

    “Cody Reed wasn’t sharp, wasn’t terrible”

    Well put, Steve.

    A full (or even half might do) season in the rotation in 2019 still feels like it is needed to “sort” him. The high K per 9 in limited starts is there, but so much still for him to clean up, if he can.

    Reed is a prime example of the 2018 Reds…what did we learn new about him, what did we learn new about the Reds?

    I feel like the answer all the way around is….not much.

  4. Scotly50

    I normally will watch Williams’ Reds when they pitch Reed, but just couldn’t. Feel bad for the Bloggers who must watch this debacle on a nightly basis. The Reds need to fire the entire staff. Especially Williams. He is a joke.

    • Jeff Reed

      Who’s going to do all this firing, Bob Castellini? Checking the box score gives me more time to finish the reading for my two monthly book clubs.

    • lwblogger2

      I really don’t think the problem is Williams. I think the problem is that Walt Jocketty is still in the ear of Bob Castellini and when push comes to shove, Bob Castellini gets what he wants. He’s got his fingers in the pie. He apparently was a big part of deals not happening for Harvey and for Hamilton. I think he and Walt are holding Williams’ hand. I don’t think Williams and Krall have much freedom to do what they want.

  5. Keith

    Hard to believe they’d even consider bringing Riggleman back after efforts such as this one. Not that ownership makes decisions based on on-field results, but this team is not only terrible but also terrible fundamentally.

  6. Sliotar

    Brewers sweep a 3-game series in St.Louis, clinched a playoff spot.

    Yelich….5 plate appearances…5 walks.

    Kudos to Milwaukee. When you are close enough to “go for it”, throw the kitchen sink at it to try and get there. And the Brewers have this season.

    • lwblogger2

      Wait, how is that possible? I don’t see any clutchy rib-eyes from Yelich there.

  7. BigRedMachine

    I know people post things like #positivemomentum as a joke in these situations but seriously the tone-deafness of that comment is and was just astounding.

    • Dewey Roberts

      Yes it is astounding! It is hard to believe they really thought they had turned a corner.

  8. Scott C

    We could now surpass the 94 losses of theist two seasons

    • David

      This seems likely, statistically speaking. The Reds have really played badly against Pittsburgh this season, and will liikely not win another game this year.
      And this is really a harsh criticism of players, coaches and ownership, in tolerating this slack attitude about playing. I don’t want to hear about how players getting paid this much money are tired.

      • greenmtred

        They’re playing terribly, but money has no bearing on whether a person is tired or not unless, maybe, they aren’t really tired and need a psychological boost. I can certainly believe that guys like Votto and Suarez are tired.

  9. Jim Walker

    It will be interesting to see if the Reds try and spin what has happened in the last 6 weeks or just start making changes.

    I very much agree with the comment above that we haven’t learned a lot, at least of a positive nature in 2018.

    They had a full year of Castillo, 2/3 of a season of Disco versus none in 2017, about the same of Bailey and as much of Romano and Mahle as they wanted to have with. It netted them one pitcher with an ERA better than 4.50 (Castillo at 4.30) and only one pitcher with as many as 150 IP (Castillo with 169.2). Overall 10 pitchers made starts but only 1 made as many as 25 (Castillo again at 30). Seems to me the starting pitching is every bit as much a work in progress at then end of last season; and maybe more.

    • Jim Walker

      On the position side, I think it has emerged that they need an additional RH bat with some pop. Maybe that’s as simple as getting Nick Senzel into the lineup but maybe finding him a place to play isn’t that simple.

      Unless somebody is traded or Senzel emerges from the instructional league as a CF, who do they bench to play him? Gennett? Schebler? Winker? I’m guessing one of the latter 2 since they have apparently decided Schebler is not a CF candidate. This may be why it suddenly seems Winker is a RF again. Time will tell I guess.

      • lwblogger2

        I think Winker is going to end up on an AL club as a DH. I think he’ll be part of any trade for starting pitching. I’m not sure I’ll be very happy about that but he’s probably got the most value of anyone not named “Senzel” on the trade market.

      • Jim Walker

        I tend to agree with you. Winker is Yonder Alonso with 4 months additional MLB experience; but not clearly blocked if you are OK with him at a corner OF position, most likely LF despite what Reds have said in the last 10 days.

        The issue I see with him being traded this off season is he is in recovery and rehab from a torn labrum on his lead batting shoulder. Per his comments in C.Trent’s article earlier this week, he isn’t on line to start swinging a bat until January. I think that really puts a crimp into trying to lead a big trade with him sight unseen post surgery.

        https://theathletic.com/551480/2018/09/26/jesse-winkers-eager-to-get-out-of-the-recliner-and-back-with-the-reds/

    • BigRedMike

      The Brewers, after a successful 2017, went out and added 2 players for positions that did not need to be filled.

      The Brewers starting rotation only included a 2/$15 million deal to Chacin.

      The Reds are 27th in Pitching WAR. If they can find a Chacin, that would equate to 2-3 wins. Improvement is going to need to come from the current pitchers on the roster.

      The Reds should be attempting to create as good of a bullpen as possible.

    • Colorado Red

      More so,

      Now we know most of our pitchers stink.
      Tyler needs another shot.
      Cody unknown.
      Disco? Flash in the pan, or needs to be healthy for a full season.
      Matt, a 4 or 5 at best (Bob probably wants to give him a big contract)
      Homer, flat out sucks.
      90 loses in 2019 looks like a sure bet.
      The FO (including BC) is too stinking stupid to understand this.

  10. Matt Hendley

    Reed is a rotation option yes, if we dont overhaul, and if he has luck. Suarez is just having a down bit. Everyone is tired. End of the season nothing to play for. The mobility is still there he was still diving for balls the game, which you would have seen if you were watching the game. I know that eliminates about half of you though, a day off, then 3 more then a month off then the off season. Where does nick krall fit into all this anyway isnt he technically the GM. Is he another family relation? I am unfamiliar with his Bio?

  11. Scott Gennett

    The Reds are finishing the season just like it started, it’ll take a ton of effort to change the mood over the off-season, certainly more than a few nice words by Dick.

    • Jim Walker

      What’s the old high school cheer, A-C-T-I-O-N, Action, boys ACTION!

  12. Jim Walker

    If you have access to The Athletic and haven’t already read C.Trent’s article about Jesse Winker and rehab go take a read

    https://theathletic.com/551480/2018/09/26/jesse-winkers-eager-to-get-out-of-the-recliner-and-back-with-the-reds/

    Winker strongly infers that his shoulder hasn’t been right since that injury (in a car wreck I believe) he suffered back when he was in Class A+. If he knew it wasn’t right, I’m guessing the team must have known; and, his power fell through the floor the next several years. How do they not get around to fixing it until 4 or 5 years later?

    • Matt Hendley

      A cost control measure. If he is a prospect that doesnt pan out then don’t pay for the surgery. Put if he does other then stuff that the accident can pay away, then pay for it. It sure ain’t right, but i bet its what it is. Expecially since minor league players are uninsured.

    • greenmtred

      I’m told by several different orthopedic surgeons I’ve had cause to consult that surgery is not a guarantee and carries its own risks. If rehab can be successful without cutting, don’t operate.

      • David

        I think this is exactly the correct medical prognosis. Surgery can have bad outcomes, regardless of who is doing it. Not all surgeries go perfectly. For normal mortals, this may not seem so bad, but for “elite” athletes who have to be in optimum shape, a less than perfect surgery can make things worse.

      • Jim Walker

        Understand what everybody is saying but when he had gone from winning HR derbies and slugging better than .500 to slugging less than .400 2 years later at AAA, I’d think that might have been the time, especially since he was needing to sit out periodically to “rest” the shoulder which we now know meant either getting it popped back into place or waiting for it to reseat itself.

      • David

        Yes, Jim, I think you are right. But sometimes physical therapy and strengthening excercises can help as much as a “risky” surgery. I think the damage was finally enough to say that surgery was necessary. But I am not a doctor, although I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express a few weeks ago.

    • lost11found

      Plus as a prospect he may have not felt like he could be fully truthful as well. He has the surgery, sits, and someone else steps in and starts raking it. You could be on the outside looking in very quickly.

      • lwblogger2

        Very true. As he was a high draft choice, he’d probably have more rope than other guys but it’s a fair guess that he may have had that concern.

  13. TurboBuckeye

    I thought the beginning of the year was bad, but this is truly rock bottom. I’m 39 and have been a fan since I was a little kid. It’s never been this bad.

  14. Steve

    1982 was worse. Then there was no Votto. No Suarez. No Peraza. And no farm system.

    • Jim Walker

      But there was that crazy pennant which said “Best Record in Baseball – 1981” and I was at a game where they handed small replicas out to all in attendance!

      • greenmtred

        I still have the newspaper clipping of that game tacked on the bathroom wall. Probably should get toilet paper of this year’s roster to complement it.

    • Indy Red Man

      Eric Davis anyone? Larkin? Browning? I would think they were in the Reds system then? They had a dominant starter in Soto. The Reds went 89-72 in 1985. How is this team going to be well over .500 in 3 years time? Not happening in the NL Central? If they could switch leagues like Milwaukee and get into the AL Central maybe?

      The Reds versus the Cubs, Brewers, and Cards is about like my Indiana Hoosiers football squad being in the same division with Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, and Mich St. Outmanned, outspent, and outworked.

      • greenmtred

        They’re a bunch of bums right now, Indy, but 3 years is a long time. Lotta worms can turn in 3 years…

  15. jeffery stroupe

    Yes 82 sure was. No hope at all after years of great teams. Rock bottom.

    • MrRed

      82 was bad but it wasn’t preceded by two consecutive 94 loss seasons and the expectation (whether reasonable or not) that this year’s squad was going to at least be marginally better. They’re going in the wrong direction in their rebuild which is a bad thing when the team is proclaiming they have a winning culture and positive momentum.

      • Colorado Red

        Have to basically agree.
        82 was terrible, but 4 straight 94 (or more) loss seasons really sucks.
        This is probably the worst I have seen the Reds play.
        I go back to the BRM days.
        Hopefully BC will leave well enough along this year, or we will always be a 90 loss team.

  16. jeffery stroupe

    Larkin was in college at that time, Davis in A ball and Browning was in Rookie league. Back then you did not hear much about the minors unless it was about players at Indy. And if you look at the 1982 Indy roster then yeah, no hope.

    • Jim Walker

      Yep. I don’t think Doug (Gray) had gotten born yet.

    • Ed

      The culture of the reds changed in august of 84 when marge purchased the team from the williams family who ran it into the ground from 1982-1984. Yes they are the same williams that dick williams is related to scary! Marge brought back pete rose to be player manager. Pete provided the winning culture for the team to rally around. Marge put her money where her mouth was and spent to get talent. This would provide winning teams that contended until lou piniella culminated in 90 with wire to wire. I know marge disliked the minors but she put all her money in the big league club. In 16 yrs as owner she had 11 winning seasons and a world championship. Since she sold the team. the last 2 ownership groups have 3 winning seasons in the last 18yrs. The reds have been bad for a long time folks. Outside of dusty ,lou and pete all winning players and teachers the reds hire cheap non winning managers. Thats the reds culture.

      • Scott Montgomery

        Painful to read, but accurate nevertheless. Three winning seasons in 18 years…wow.

      • redlegs64

        Wow is right. I didn’t realize the futility. For some reason the promise of Dunn, Casey, Graves, Kearns, Griffey, Votto… seemed to keep me in a positive outlook. But this stat is truly horrific.

        I sure hope Krall & Williams have a clue. I don’t often make statements like this, but if there aren’t some changes (especially manager), I may need to find another team. It saddens me, but I’m just not going to buy merchandise, tickets or MLB package to watch a truly horrible product that has no guts to try to right the ship.

  17. Mason Red

    The rebuild is a bust. There are a handful of decent players here but in NO WAY is there enough,either at the big league level or in the minors,to field a competitive team. The Reds may be the worst franchise in baseball top to bottom. It is what it is. It can’t be sugarcoated. I admire any Reds fan who still believes and I hope I have to eat a massive,huge crow but I’m raising the white flag. The Reds are a complete and total disaster.

    • sultanofswaff

      I agree. It wouldn’t bother me to see them blow it completely up, it wouldn’t bother me to see them sacrifice their long term plans by unloading the farm system. The only thing that will bother me will be if they try the band aid approach by signing a couple middling starters, make a couple inconsequential trades, and hire a retread manager.

      • David

        I think we should find comps to Eric Milton, that standout free agent signing from the last decade. That would be my prediction for a FA signing (pitcher).

    • Jeff Reed

      If so, this calls for a second rebuild. The first step would be ushering Walt Jocketty out of the front office, and installing a general manager with control over baseball operations who is not related to the ownership.

      • Dewey Roberts

        Jocketty is the main problem by far.

    • BigRedMike

      The Reds are so good, there is just no way to find a spot for one of the top prospects in baseball.

      Other contending teams play their top prospects all the time and are in the playoffs. The last place awful Reds are just too talented to play a top prospect.

      The best plan is to continue to run the same players out there next season and hope for the best.

  18. Basil Legg

    Suarez is the one who should be learning left field, or first base.
    Trade Votto!!!!

    • lost11found

      I would not be opposed to trading Votto for a good package. Start teaching Winker 1B?

    • Colorado Red

      Votto has a no trade clause.
      Votto is due a boat load of money.
      NO ONE will take him, without the Reds give 100 Mil with it.

      • Matt Hendley

        Votto has been crystal clear on this subject. He doent want to leave cinci.

  19. Grand Salami

    Last night was a tough game to attend. There may have been 1000 Royals fans in attendance. Reed slept walk through the first few innings and both initial runs were entirely preventable.

    Luckily the kids didn’t care and we had an excuse to leave after the 7th inning stretch on a school night.

    The Reds Heads is a great thing they do and the kids care less about the product on the field. Maybe they can create a program to distract the adults with bells and whistles in other parts of the stadium so they don’t witness the on field product too often.

    • MrRed

      The “adult program” would be all of the craft beer booths spread throughout the ballpark. Have enough of those and you won’t care about the onfield product either. It seems the team’s marketing and ballpark operations folks have a viable plan. Just wish the baseball operations folks had the same.

    • greenmtred

      Yeah. They had shots of people playing ping pong and listening to Bronson Arroyo play. An amusement park where, from time to time, a baseball game erupts.

  20. ChrisInVenice

    Is it possible the players have been putting in their “vote” on Riggleman the past few weeks? Perhaps sub-consciously?

    Players are tired and most regulars have played a ton of games & he hasn’t rested them much … there’s a difference in playing games that mean something & those when 20 games under in Sept. He has not inspired them despite what he’s said to media about setting winning tone.

    • Kyle Farmer

      I don’t disagree but the Marlins and the Royals don’t have much to play for either.

      • Scott C

        The Royals and Marlins are all young, playing for their future. The Reds young guys sit on the bench and play occasionally, not enough to get accustomed to MLB pitching

      • Jim Walker

        I bet as individuals more of the guys on the Royals and Marlins who are seeing game action feel like they are playing to secure their personal futures than the Reds who are seeing game action.

        Safe to say the entire Reds starting infield knows they are going to be playing at MLB next year and making million(s). Low guy on the scale is Peraza; and, he becomes arb eligible (super 2) off a huge offensive year. Even the backup catcher is probably going to be arb eligible (super2) and has had a year that would push him to 7 figure territory or possibly even a 2-3 year deal for several M$ total.

        I’m generally on the players’ side in financial matters; but, this is a situation entirely too easy to be comfortable in despite losing 90+ games.

    • Scott C

      Losing causes disinterest not only in fans but also the players. They develop the attitude of what is the use. Personally I am done for the year and we will see about next year. This weekend I am going to be watching the Ryder Cup.

  21. WVRedlegs

    Boy, I remember Dick Williams this past winter just before spring training talking about a real emphasis had been made to improve the team and to “significantly” improve the win/loss record. He was talking about going from 68 wins to 78 wins, and maybe even 80 wins this year. What a farce. I was dismayed at the roster they had constructed coming out of spring training. I thought if there was any improvement it would be minimal, to 70 or 72 wins. No one was accounting for any type of sophomore slumps from the young pitchers. Bailey, DeSclafani, and Finnegan were no where to be found. And here we are one full season passed, and Bailey and Finnegan have pitched themselves into oblivion, DeSclafani isn’t back 100%, Harvey won’t be back, and only Castillo has emerged as a full time starter for 2019. Romano and Mahle are still big question marks. Reed probably joins Lorenzen and Garrett in the bullpen. And Romano may also join that mix. A bullpen full of former starters, Iglesias, Lorenzen, Garrett, Reed and Romano. And a rotation almost void of any of the young starters who started and ushered in The Rebuild.
    What an epic roster engineering and rebuild failure this has been. Epic.

  22. WVRedlegs

    The Reds manufactured Billy Hamilton and Hamilton’s hard work made him into the defensive gem he has become. I’d say the Reds should again follow that blueprint and try to manufacture their next CF in the same manner. Is there a middle INF at AA or AAA the Reds have that they can move to CF and be ready to take over the CF duties on the Reds team in 2020? Shed Long is the only one and that may not be a good move for him to make. In trade talks this winter the Reds should be looking for one of these types of players that could be ready by end of 2019 or for beginning of 2020. That takes me to the LA Dodgers SS/2B Gavin Lux. He has the athleticism to make that move to CF. He made a good number of errors at SS this year, 27 I believe. He probably isn’t a future SS, though he played most of his games at A+ and AA at SS. He has the bat with a little pop. He finished at AA this year and would probably start out 2019 at AA, especially if his position changed. A mid-May to mid-season bump to AAA and a September call up could be his avenue to starting CF in 2020. He could also make a good leadoff hitter.
    I don’t think Jose Siri is the CF of the future and Trammell is destined more for a corner OF spot than CF.
    The Reds and Dodgers have a pretty good trade avenue opened up over the last couple of years.

    • Colorado Red

      Please do not ask the Reds FO to think.
      It hurts the heads.

      • Dewey Roberts

        LOL! As bad as it hurts to laugh, that caused me to do so.

    • docproctor

      How about moving speedy Peraza and his league leading errors at SS to CF?

    • sultanofswaff

      I’ve thought the same thing. Whit Merrifield would be a good guy to target and probably only cost you 2 guys in the 4-15 range. He played a little CF before settling in at 2B, and is cost controlled.

    • greenmtred

      Maybe Peraza? He could scarcely be worse there than he is at short. Of course, trhey’d then need to manufacture a shortstop.

      • Shchi Cossack

        The Reds lack of any viable replacement SS within the organization, should lock Peraza in at SS for at least the 2019 season, despite his woeful defense at the 2nd most important defensive position on the diamond.

        Alfredo Rodriguez (age 24):
        2017 (A+) .588 OPS, .294 OBP, 3.16 K/BB in 118 games
        2018 (A+) .595 OPS, .273 OBP, 2.91 K/BB in 31 games
        2018 (AA) .468 OPS, .276 OBP, 3.50 K/BB in 9 games

        Jose Garcia (age 20):
        2018 (A) .634 OPS, .290 OBP, 5.89 K/BB in 125 games

        And that’s it for any SS prospects within the organization unless India can play SS and the Reds make a commitment to get him regular plying time and experience at SS.

        Maybe Peraza can improve defensively at SS, but I don’t see that happening. At least his bat has improved to now be viable at SS.

      • lwblogger2

        I think that Peraza has the athleticism and the arm to improve defensively at SS. I don’t know if he’ll ever be an above-average defender at SS but I think he can get to average and certainly reduce the number of errors he makes.

      • lwblogger2

        Ugh, and when I think of the Alfredo Redriguez signing, I get sick. I hated it when they made it and I hate it even more now. Sometimes when international scouts are saying “we don’t think he’ll hit enough” they are actually right. In fact, most times they are, especially on a player who isn’t 17-19 years old.

    • Shchi Cossack

      The Reds have a plethora of good CF prospects coming thru the pipeline and approaching MLB readiness as early as 2020:

      Taylor Trammell (age 21): Speed & instincts to play CF, below average arm
      2016 (ROK) .795 OPS, .374 OBP, 2.48 K/BB in 61 games
      2017 (A) .819 OPS, .368 OBP, 1.73 K/BB in 129 games
      2018 (A+) .781 OPS, .375 OBP, 1.81 K/BB in 110 games

      Stuart Fairchild (age 22): Speed, instincts & arm to play CF
      2017 (ROK) .805 OPS, .393 OBP, 1.84 K/BB in 56 games
      2018 (A) .836 OPS, .377 OBP, 2.10 K/BB in 67 games
      2018 (A+) .656 OPS, .306 OBP, 3.71 K/BB in 63 games

      TJ Friedl (age 23): Speed & instincts to play CF, below average arm
      2016 (ROK) .969 OPS, .423 OBP, 1.92 K/BB in 29 games
      2017 (A) .850 OPS, .378 OBP, 1.59 K/BB in 66 games
      2017 (A+) .659 OPS, .313 OBP, 3.90 K/BB in 48 games
      2018 (A+) .817 OPS, .405 OBP, 1.18 K/BB in 64 games
      2018 (AA) .719 OPS, .359 OBP, 2.00 K/BB in 67 gmes

      Jose Siri (age 23): Speed, instincts & arm to play CF
      2016 (ROK) .908 OPS, .348 OBP, 8.25 K/BB in 59 games
      2016 (A) .344 OPS, .163 OBP, 17.00 K/BB in 27 games
      2017 (A) .871 OPS, .341 OBP, 3.94 K/BB in 126 games
      2018 (A+) .675 OPS, .280 OBP, 8.00 K/BB in 30 games
      2018 (AA) .775 OPS, .300 OBP, 3.79 K/BB in 66 games

      Mariel Bautista (age 20):
      2018 (ROK) .927 OPS, .386 OBP, 1.81 K/BB in 56 games

      Mike Siani (age 19):
      2018 (ROK) .737 OPS, .351 OBP, 2.19 K/BB in 46 games

      Siri is no better than the 4th best CF prospect, but he is still a valid CF prospect.
      This does not even include internal candidates who could possibly be moved to CF (Senzel, India, Long, etc). Trading for another CF prospect seems like trading just to be trading. No question that CF needs to be upgraded and upgraded immediately, but using short- term, internal options (Schebler, Ervin, Williams, Lorenzen, etc.) or adding a FA option (A.J. Pollack or Leonys Martin) seems like better options than trading for a non-CF prospect and converting him to CF.

      • WVRedlegs

        I know what you are saying, but those are really way down the chain. How many get past the AA hump? Lux has made it past the AA hump with flying colors. The Reds prospects not named Senzel have flamed out at AA, or taken 2-3 seasons to get past it.
        A free agent option like Pollack, has to have the Qualifying Offer situation settled first. Many believe Pollack gets, and declines a QO, so the Reds would likely forfeit their second highest draft pick next year to sign him. Which will be their Competitive Balance pick between the 1st and 2nd rounds if it plays out that way. That is a heavy price to pay, in addition to his high $ signing, for the often injured Pollack.
        The Dodgers, especially if they get eliminated from the playoffs before the World Series, are always tinkering with their roster and would have more urgency if eliminated early. They have to get some kind of bullpen insurance next year for Kenley Jansen and his heart troubles. Co-closers maybe? Bullpen help?
        Lux has some SS issues, that is why I can see him in CF. He has 60 speed and a 55 arm. CF could be a natural for him. It isn’t hard to see Lux as a 20 HR/ 30 2B/ 20 SB type of CF. He doesn’t turn 21 until late November. He will/could be ML ready for his age 22 season in CF for the Reds in 2020. This I would be willing to bet on. If the Dodgers keep him on the INF, he won’t rise as quickly as he has several players ahead of him at middle INF spots. Lux has a 11% BB%, 16.5% K%,
        I think he would be just the type of player to have paired with Senzel going forward. Two solid up the middle players. Both 1st round picks of 2016. Lux won’t be cheap if going after just him individually. But he could be part of a larger deal.

      • David

        What about Gabriel Guerrero? I think he could handle CF. And he is at AAA, and actually got a few AB’s this September. I think he is “as ready: as he can be to get a shot at playing in The Show.

      • lwblogger2

        I don’t know. He hasn’t exactly raked in the minors. .273/.314/.410 is his line in 8 minor league seasons. He has the same issue Peraza does in not taking walks and he strikes out a lot more than Peraza. In 2018 his line was .293/.328/.474 (again low walk rate) in a decent sample of >500 plate-appearances in AA/AAA this year. I wouldn’t want to rely on him as my every day CF. I think he would be more of a 4th/5th OF in his career.

      • greenmtred

        Thanks, Cossack. I hadn’t been paying enough attention to realize that there was that much organizational depth at center.

  23. jreis

    I remember the 82 club well. I lived in the city and I must have gone to 50 games that year. that 82 team at least played some defense, minus Johnny Bench at 3rd base. although I think SUAREZ actually has more errors than Johnny had that year.

    I remember the outfield defense being superb with Milner, Householder and Cedeno. the pitching wasn’t terrible although I remeber Seaver being at the end of his career, but usually they would keep you in the game. I remember a lot of 3-2, 4-2 type losses.

    this team is a lot worse given the talent they have and these games against the worst teams in baseball are not even competitive.

    I don’t know what the answer is. obviously we have to upgrade our pitching but I think the second half of the season proves that our infield and outfield needs upgrades too.

    the 2019 everyday 8 of Votto, Scooter, Peraza, Suarez, Barnhart, Senzel, schebler and Winker all of the sudden doesn’t seem as imposing.

  24. Matt Hendley

    Money has zero effect on tiredness level. The question that needs to be asked is, of everyone had been completely healthy how would the team have been better, releif pitching, not much. Starting pitching not much although i think a little more could have been gotten out of disco. The starting line up, alot. Winker and senzel are two individuals that would have been mlb level talents putting more runs up in games, i also beleive they would have finally pushed Hamilton out of a job and reduced peraza to the point where his defense had not damaged the team as much. There are improvements, while bad a teardown is not nessasary. Pitching is however.

    • jreis

      as above. I think the last 2 months prove that,no, even with a healthy WInker in left and ,lets say a healthy adjusted, Senzel in center, the team still would be lacking something offensively.

      not sure what the answer is because individually the players are putting up fairly decent offensive numbers, it just isn’t translating into a lot of runs.

      • Jim Walker

        Missing piece is a RH bat in addition to Suarez who can do what Duvall did well enough in 2016-17 and was still seen as a threat to do in 2018; and that’s provide the slugging side of OPS but hopefully with an OBP in .330- .350 range..

  25. roger garrett

    Agree on the missing piece(s) and its about power right now for me.The numbers were posted on another thread and that won’t get it done in 2019.Billy,Peraza,Tucker,Joey and Winker/Ervin together have hit around 55 or so long balls.Five of these guys could start next year on opening day.

    • BigRedMike

      True. This roster has no true power, which is shown in the large ISO drop.

      Votto will likely get back to the 20 HR level next year, but, he is really ideal in the 2 spot now.

      The Reds likely have one of the lowest ISO OF’s in baseball, of course, Hamilton has no business playing every day.

  26. Matt Hendley

    Guerro is up at the majors cause he would be a minor league free agent at seasons end. 7 seasons in the minors without a look? Hell i would say i would risk billy over that.

    • lwblogger2

      I posted his numbers above. He might be a legit starting CF in MLB but I’m not seeing it. I think maybe a 4th/5th OF. He had a better 2018 than really any other year in his MiLB career though so it’s certainly possible I’m wrong.