The Short Version: Sal Romano surrendered six runs in the first two innings, and the game was over at that point. Fun, right?

Final R H E
Cleveland Indians (68-51) 8 10 0
Cincinnati Reds (52-68) 1 5 0
W: Kluber (15-6) L: Romano (7-10)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score

It may not seem like it, but Milton was unhappy with Cincinnati’s performance today.

38 Responses

  1. Jack

    Pitching staff sorting is getting tiresome.

  2. Keith

    Maybe it’s time to give Sal the rest of the year off and let Cody Reed start those games in his place.

  3. Sliotar

    That’s the spirit, Milton. You tell them.

    Sure, so far in this series, the Reds have been outscored by 2 touchdowns, but tomorrow is another day.

    As long as the players remind themselves that are part of a winning culture, then I am sure the team will get back on track soon, and achieve the organization’s big picture target … avoiding 90 losses.

    • lwblogger2

      That seems less and less likely.

  4. Old-school

    How bout some RLN folk tales?

    1.) Winning culture
    2.) Above avg shortstop
    3.) Havoc
    4.) Playoffs?!?!?!???
    5.) Scooter and a $50 million contract fixes this
    6.) 10 games behind 4th place Pirates in 2018 but passing all 4 NL Central teams in 2019 to win 90 games.
    7.) Homer Bailey’s contract.

    • Sliotar

      Phenomenal list, Old-School. Each one could easily be a stand-alone discussion in the off-season.

      #6 can also be looked at this way…..

      Each NL Central team made a big move in the last 12 months….

      -Signed in free agency 2 SPs from playoff teams (cost-controlled beyond 2018)
      -Traded for Christian Yelich (cost-controlled beyond 2018)
      -Traded for Marcell Ozuna (cost-controlled beyond 2018)
      -Traded for Chris Archer (cost-controlled beyond 2018)
      -Traded for Matt Harvey (free agent at season’s end)

      Which of the 5 is the outlier?

      • Colorado Red

        Let me guess, the team that is probably going to lose 90 games again,
        But that is a winning culture.

      • Dave Roemerman

        I’d say the one rebuilding team (5) and the one who, surprisingly, ended up not rebuilding and added Archer. If we don’t do similar next year, a lot of those remain myths ..

      • Bill

        -Yelich wouldn’t have helped the pitching and would have likely cost Senzel or Greene and Trammell
        -Ozuna isn’t better than the current options in the corner spot
        – The pirates are going to regret the Archer trade. He doesn’t make them good enough to beat the Brewers or Cubs, and his numbers aren’t really that impressive in recent years
        – I wasn’t a fan of the Harvey trade, but he was the best SP for awhile. The only issue was the failure to trade him at the deadline. Overall not much of an impact other than taking a few starts away from Stephenson which might not matter in the long run.

        If the Reds don’t make some moves this winter I will jump on the bandwagon to bash the front office. I just don’t think anything other than trading Hamilton really made sense last off season.

      • Indy Red Man

        I think Miami got Brinson as the headliner for Yelich. He wasn’t the 4th best prospect in the game? I’m thinking 23rd or something? The Reds just can’t let divisional competitors keep getting key guys they need. Mikolas with the Cards is another. I tend to lean your direction on Archer, but watch Milw or the Cubs snap up Wheeler in the offseason.

      • Bill

        Brinson was 13 and Senzel was 9 at the time of the trade

      • Davy13

        Bill, you have a point about Archer. About Harvey, you’re preaching to choir. However, I would love to have Yelich and Ozuna right now. Yelich is a stud batter. While Ozuna is having a down year, the upside is there and proven. I live in Miami and followed their careers. Ozuna put tremendous numbers in cavernous Marlins ballpark. If he’s playing GABP, watch out. Both are entering their primes. An outfield of Winker, Yelich, and Ozuna (with Schleber as a 4th) would be formidable (certainly much more than what we have now).

        What are Senzel and Trammell’s projections – .300/20+/80+? If that’s guaranteed then fine, don’t trade away that future. Otherwise, Yelich and Ozuna, at their age, are already hitting those numbers and more.

        So I buy Sliotar’s argument and Indy’s reply…I’ve been arguing for it all-season. The Reds have to be more aggressive to acquire young, but proven players.

      • lwblogger2

        That Chris Archer trade is going to come back to bite the Buccos. I think in 2 years Glasnow is the better pitcher than Archer and the Rays got Meadows and Shane Baz was named the PTBNL.

    • Mike Adams

      On number 1, maybe the front office is talking about profits and not wins or losses on the field?

    • roger garrett

      Alex can I have winning culture for 1 dollar?

  5. Davy13

    Yep, smells like a winning culture…in Bizarro’s world

  6. Dave Roemerman

    My question is why, a night after throwing a position player to save the pen, we tossed our three best relievers in the 7th-9th? If they needed the work, put them out there last night. If not (which is the case) why not let someone else hold it down until tomorrow? Another baffling Reds strategic decision…

    • roger garrett

      Yeah but he used Suarez at short for two innings which shows something I think.

      • Davy13

        Could it be showing a future infield of Senzel at 2B, Suarez at SS, and Jonathan India at 3B, perhaps?

  7. Jack

    Starting Pitcher Locks for next year
    1) Philip Ervin
    2)Brandon Dixon

    • Mason Red

      You nailed it with question marks for 3,4 and 5. Maybe the FO will invest in a nice dart board to help make decisions or they can actually bring in a couple of established starters.

    • Mike Adams

      Funny, Jack!
      But you may be on to something.
      Position players would get shelled after more than an inning (or two).
      Maybe the Reds could carry NO relievers and carry extra position players.
      Then when relief is needed, just pick a position player to come in for an inning.
      Naw, that is too radical of an idea. Just stick with the “Book”

  8. roger garrett

    Top of the order guys go 0-16 while the other 4 guys(Tucker and the 3 outfielders)go 5-11 and two walks.Yeah we miss Scott and Winker but the new guys ain’t doing too bad(3-7 and a walk)

  9. cfd3000

    Do you think Cody Reed was siting in the bullpen thinking – I want Big Sal’s spot. Cody has to be better than that – right?

  10. Indy Red Man

    I watched Lorenzen’s portion of the game and thought he looked really good! He doesn’t K many people, but he gets soft contact and groundballs. He got a little out of whack in his 3rd inning, but that’s to be expected when he usually goes 1 inning.

    What would impress me with this front office? Show some kahunas and release Homer and send Romano down. Go back to the 5 man rotation and put Lorenzen in there. Call up Sims and SIms/Reed can be the long men while Lorenzen stretches out and for when BobSteve walks the beer vendors. If he doesn’t improve then Sims or Reed goes in the rotation!

    • VaRedsFan

      I thought Lorenzen looked good too. Then you look at his final line of 4.1 innings and 2 ER’s, and you see the same thing that you see with Castillo, Romano, Mahle, Stephenson….periods of brilliance, but mediocre in the results department.

      • Indy Red Man

        True…but with this team you have to grasp at straws. That’s a 4.15 era and I heard yesterday that they are 25-9 when they get a quality start. Go 6 innings & give up 3…maybe drive in 1 or 2 once a month. That would be better then what they’re getting now.

    • lwblogger2

      “… walks the beer vendors.” Bravo!!

  11. Indy Red Man

    Anyone notice that play where the comebacker was hit off Lorenzen and he immediately takes off after it while signaling Joey to stay home and go to 1st base? Joey hesitated and was close to the bag when Lorenzen starting waving his arm, but instead of going to the bag he just rambles over to watch Lorenzen pick up the ball? Its like he was deliberately ignoring Lorenzen? They would’ve had the guy by 2 steps if the 1st baseman goes to 1st base? Joey needs to hit because he’s a D- both defensively and baserunning.

    • VaRedsFan

      I saw it. I tried to come up for an excuse for why Votto didn’t go to the bag, even with Mike yelling and pointing at him to do so. Maybe he didn’t hear him because of the hundreds of fans in attendance.

    • big5ed

      I hardly ever defend Votto’s defense, but after watching the replay, Votto was pretty much guilty only of keeping his eye on the ball. Yeah, Keith Hernandez may have looked up and read what Lorenzen was signalling, but I’m not going to criticize a guy for focusing on a ball in play in his direction. It isn’t like they can practice that play, even in PFP in Goodyear.

  12. WVRedlegs

    Could the Matt Harvey trade potential get a lift today and get trade talks percolating?
    The Mariners have already demoted King Felix to the bullpen, and they are going to place James Paxton on the 10-day DL. The M’s have fallen 3.5 games behind the A’s for the second wild card spot. And the A’s are only 1 game behind Houston for the division lead and 3.5 games behind the Yankees for the top wild card spot.
    Houston did themselves no favors at the trade deadline. The defending champs could very well regret their passive and ill-conceived moves they made this year.
    It is so good to hear all the Yankee fans complaining. It is like hearing the Cardinals fans whine and bellyache. Boston’s 4 game sweep of the Yankees just killed them. Also, the Yankees rotation is a mess.

    • Jack

      King Felix goes to the pen and without a peep. Homer throws a temper tantrum and he hasn’t even come close in his career to what King Felix has done. Yet the Reds give in to him.

  13. roger garrett

    Lots of teams in both leagues that still think they can.Again I am shocked that teams weren’t willing to trade for Iggy,Hughes and Hernandez.I hope it wasn’t because we still think we can this year or next but all of these guys would help a contender in a big way.I don’t know what we turned down or even if we had offers but these guys can and do shorten the game.Puzzling to me.

    • Jack

      I can only imagine what these jokers turned down.