For years, I’ve followed both Jonah Keri’s and Fangraphs’ versions of establishing top-50 MLB Trade Value lists. Both annual rankings seek to provide an idea of how the baseball industry values its players, creating a sort of “absolute value” for what players could fetch on the open market. It’s a delicate balance of friendly contracts, overwhelming talent, and/or promising potential, with both Keri and Fangraphs often polling from front offices themselves to create their rankings.

While I don’t have the same sort of insider access as the other lists, I do have oodles of time to pore over player pages and a decent-to-good understanding of how front offices generally look to behave. By that second part, I mean I’m a 20-something male with a tendency to always believe he’s outsmarting everyone around him. You know, exactly the type of guy who gets put in charge of baseball teams.

What I’ve done here is rank the top 15 trade assets the Reds will hold at the beginning of this year’s offseason. Notably, (most likely to be shipped) Matt Harvey won’t be on the list because his contract is expiring and odds he remains a Red are low. Another big name you won’t see: Joey Votto. Not too many teams want to pay $145 million over the next six years to a first baseman entering his age-35 season. It doesn’t matter if he’s one of the best in the game, that’s expensive.

Ultimately, I doubt much of the list will surprise you, especially not No. 1. The rest of the top 5 I could see as being a shock, but whatever the case, the bottom line is the Reds lack uber-desirable trade pieces. Especially ones they’re actually willing to move.

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Honorable Mentions

Guys Who Are Too Young: Mike Siani, Josiah Gray, Lyon Richardson

I was really tempted to slip in Josiah Gray but extrapolating on 35.0 innings is foolish. He’s only 20 years old, already striking out more than a batter per inning and not walking too many people, so Gray is quickly becoming a name to watch. Just not that quickly.

Guys Who Are What They Are: Tyler Mahle, Amir Garrett, Robert Stephenson Sal Romano, Dilson Herrera

At this point in these guys’ careers, the league just kind of shrugs. Mahle could fetch a nice return, maybe, I guess? His recent struggles aren’t encouraging at least. Garrett loses value by not starting, Stephenson and Romano have lost value by starting ineffectively, and Herrera has been hurt forever and is nothing more than a lottery ticket now. All four could be worth something down the road, just not this offseason.

Guys Who Just Missed: Shed Long, Tyler Stephenson, Stuart Fairchild, Michael Lorenzen

I love Shed Long, let me make that clear. If Nick Senzel can somehow find a way to play short, a 2020 infield of Eugenio Suarez, Senzel, Long, Joey Votto sounds ideal. However, all of that is pipe dreaming as Long has yet to prove anything will translate to the MLB. Same for Stephenson and Fairchild, who both have Minor League sheen but not much more right now. Lorenzen just fails to register enough value from the middle of the pen, and his frequent injuries haven’t helped.

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15. Billy Hamilton

Finally after much build-up and deliberation and “will this be it?,” we’ve reached the start of the list. Kind of resembles Billy Hamilton trying to get on first, right?

The thing about Billy is that he’s essentially a poor man’s Jackie Bradley Jr. except Bradley Jr. is a better hitter and has only reached his first year of arbitration, not his last. So the hypothetical poor man would probably prefer Jackie Bradley Jr. than Billy Hamilton anyway.

The idea has been tossed about ad nauseum by baseball pundits, but Billy’s trade value entirely originates from his potential role as a super-sub. Think Terrance Gore on the 2014/2015 Royals. With only one arbitration year left, Billy will likely cost the Reds $5-6 million in 2019, which is more than peanuts but no small potatoes either. Another, richer team could see value in Hamilton and trade a non-prospect or two, but considering Bob Castellini’s fondness for the centerfielder, odds are he’s ours to keep for 2019 at least.

14. Tony Santillan

The first of the Reds’ prospects to make the list, Tony Santillan has truly played his way onto the board. In 122.0 innings across two levels in 2018, Santillan has recorded a 2.43 ERA and 8.0 K/9 rate. The reason he makes the list though is not prospect shine like the Reds top four prospects have, but rather his numbers only got better when he moved up to AA.

Before 2018, Santillan was profiled to have No. 2 starter stuff by Fangraphs, if he could develop a changeup and increase his command. Well, this season he’s dropped his BB/9 from 3.9 at A ball in 2017 to 2.2 across A+ and AA. As for the changeup, Matt Wilkes wrote earlier this week:

“Santillan made significant strides in his game in 2017, particularly with his changeup, which he converted from an inconsistent-at-best offering into a pitch that flashes as plus.”

If he keeps this up, Santillan could make a Luis Castillo-like bid for the rotation next summer. For now though, he’s an intriguing piece to imagine in trades, with the highest ceiling of his potential coming into focus.

13. Anthony DeSclafani

If only he could avoid the injuries. Anthony DeSclafani has long been a serviceable No. 3 starter, and he still has two years of arbitration left. In theory, any contending team would take a flyer on him for a return similar to what the Red Sox sent for Nathan Eovaldi. It’s just, can DeSclafani’s arm hold up?

12. Tucker Barnhart

If there’s any position in baseball where it’s hard to find good help, it’s catcher. Staying behind the dish is an unforgiving job, with teams moving hitting catchers to other positions in order to lengthen their careers.

Tucker will never be described as a hitting catcher and with a Gold Glove to his name, he’s a good bet to stay behind the dish. He’s taken a step back from his breakout 2017, but he’s still posted the fifth-best catcher OBP across the league and the seventh-best OPS. And the Reds locked him up through 2021 at a relative bargain, never paying him more than $4.2 million. If Tucker can return to his 2017 production at the plate, he’d be an improvement over most of the league’s catchers at the plate while providing top-tier defense. Someone worth trading for in other words.

11. Hunter Greene

Ulnar Collateral Ligaments are delicate things. And when you throw over 100 mph at the tender age of 18, sometimes they are prone to sprain or snap. Hunter Greene was poised to rank near the top of this list until his UCL did what it is wont to do, and now Greene is shut down for the rest of 2018 with a UCL sprain. No word has been made on if Greene will need Tommy John surgery.

If his arm stays healthy, Greene has all the makings in the world to be a generational ace. But few arms stay healthy and potential in 18 year olds so rarely comes to fruition. The Reds could still fetch a decent return in a Hunter Greene trade I’m sure, but it looks a lot less promising now than it did two weeks ago.

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10. Scooter Gennett

Let’s play a game of selective end points featuring Scooter Gennett:

  • April 23 — May 28 (127 PA): .402/.432/.726, 208 wRC+, .457 BABIP
  • May 29 — Aug 7 (239 PA): .283/.349/.434, 108 wRC+, .323 BABIP

April 23 was Scooter’s lowest batting average this season, at .270, and May 28 was Scooter’s highest batting average (min. 50 PA), at .347.

It seems to me that Scooter’s world-changing numbers were largely buoyed by a 32-game stretch where NEARLY HALF OF ALL BALLS HE PUT IN PLAY LANDED AS A HIT. Does that seem sustainable? No? Well, you’re right. In all of the games since that 32-game streak, Scooter has cut his production at the plate nearly in half (208 wRC+ to 108) while watching his BABIP plummet from .457 to a much more normal, but still inflated!!, .323.

Now, if you believe Scooter profiles as a 108 wRC+ hitter (as I do), there’s still value there! It’s just Ketel Marte value, not Jose Altuve value. The Reds missed their window to deal Scooter at his peak, but some team could still reasonably deal for his last arbitration season in 2019, hoping that he hits like the May-version of himself and not every other version.

9. Scott Schebler

Unbelievably to me, Schebler still has another season of team control before he even reaches arbitration. And he’s only entering his age-28 season next year. Trading Schebler would essentially be moving a third-outfielder for all the years of his prime costing next to nothing. That’s appealing to pretty much any team, whether rebuilding or contending.

Still, Schebler probably holds more value to the Reds, but were he to be put on the market, he’d fetch more in return than many would expect.

8. Jose Peraza

There seems to be a collective amnesia in Reds’ Country that Jose Peraza is only 23 and currently a top-15 Major League shortstop by wRC+. He still doesn’t walk enough, though he is walking more than last year (3.9% in 2017 / 5.2% in 2018). He doesn’t hit for a ton of power, though he’ll end up doubling last year’s extra base hit output by the end of the year (18 XBH in 2017 / 31 in 2018). Oh, and he still has another year of team control before even hitting arbitration.

If we compare Jose Peraza over the same stretch of games I outlined above, May 28 — Aug. 7, you find something just a bit shocking. Over 256 PA, Peraza is slashing .312/.360/.444 with a wRC+ of 114 and a BABIP of .335. That last number points to the slashline not being wholly replicable, but still, it’s in line with what Scooter’s is over the same stretch and shows that Jose Peraza is good! Or at least better than we thought! In fact, he’s the better half of the double play duo!

For a less cynical comparison, let’s look to the Atlanta Braves and their uber-shortstop prospect Dansby Swanson.

  • 2018 Peraza: .282/.325/.385, 90 wRC+, .305 BABIP
  • 2018 Swanson: .241/.296/.385, 76 wRc+, .306 BABIP

Peraza, by all accounts, is better than Dansby Swanson, the more heralded and one-year older shortstop of the future. Swanson was the first overall pick! What I’m saying is, Jose Peraza is already good and still getting better, so there’s no need to undersell him.

7. Luis Castillo

I don’t understand what happened to Luis Castillo for the first half of 2018 any more than the next guy, but that shouldn’t downplay his talent. Castillo has pure ace stuff and is under team control for two more seasons before he hits arbitration. His last few starts have shown a return to the 2017 form that got everyone so excited.

But…who knows. He’ll be 26 next year and if it’s more of the same, most of Castillo’s value will evaporate because the potential just won’t be translating. Starting pitching is perpetually a need across baseball, so Castillo’s potential holds a lot more value than Peraza’s. Hopefully, he turns the corner and stops making mistake pitches so frequently. Right now, Castillo has promise. By the end of the 2019 season, he may just have memories of promise.

6. Taylor Trammell

And here begins the run of Reds’ prospects that should be untouchable and most likely are. To be honest, I have a blank Louisville Bats jersey and am waiting for Trammell to be promoted so I can put his name on the back. Nick Senzel is another option for jerseydom, but I’d prefer Trammell.

The thing about Taylor Trammell is that his reputation seems to have far-extended his production. He’s starting to gain notoriety around the league and in the organization as Billy Hamilton’s heir apparent, but he’s only compiled a .777 OPS at A+. That’s good but also Juan Soto’s slugging percentage was higher than that at A+ before he made the jump to the Nationals. Let me repeat: Juan Soto had a higher SLG than Trammell has OPS at the same level.

So yeah, Trammell should be pretty good one day, but he’s a long way off and definitely not the second coming of Mike Trout. Still, he’s the kind of prospect that any team will take a chance on because all the tools are there and a 127 wRC+ isn’t anything to shrug at.

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5. Nick Senzel

Nick Senzel made the Fangraphs’ Honorable Mentions list, which makes it super weird to only rank him five on my list. After all, Kiley McDaniel had all the same information plus more and is generally smarter than I am.

Still, Senzel’s history of vertigo scares me, so I’m assuming it’ll scare other teams as well. He’s clearly the best prospect the Reds have and one any team will probably take a chance on, but the Reds’ bargaining is severely limited by the injury history. No one wants to trade for the next Nick Esasky, even if all signs point to the two players’ conditions being completely different.

4. Jonathan India

Immediately after the World Series concludes, Jonathan India could find himself on the trading block. He’s acquitted himself nicely across 23 Minor League games so far, compiling a .920 OPS. In his most recent stop at A-Dayton, he’s posted a 143 wRC+ across 24 PA, which just isn’t a meaningful sample size but it sounds good.

If India keeps this pace through the end of the year, his trade value may never be higher. He’ll have no injury history, a proven record of hitting professional pitchers, and only entering his age-22 season. The Reds should hang onto him because no such thing as too much talent, but still, a Swanson-esque trade for pitching is a tantalizing though.

3. Jesse Winker

Before his season-ending injury, Jesse Winker had a .405 OBP, a 128 wRC+, and a higher walk than strikeout rate. Of outfielders with at least 300 PA, Winker is third in the league in OBP behind only Mike Trout and Mookie Betts. He’s not the new Joey Votto, but he’s also not-not the new Joey Votto.

Most importantly, Winker has two years left of team control before entering three years of arbitration, which means the Reds have their outfielder of the future locked up until he’s 30. Winker’s lack of power limits his shot at becoming one of the most valuable players in baseball, but he’s affordable and an above average bat on any team.

2. Raisel Iglesias

The Reds asked a king’s ransom for Iglesias at the deadline, and rightly so. Iglesias is under contract for two more seasons, both a touch under $6 million, He hasn’t had the most successful 2018 campaign, but still posts elite K/9 numbers and has a 2.57 ERA. The Reds obviously feel that they can compete if not in 2019, then in 2020 and having a lockdown bullpen has become a necessity in the postseason.

If the Reds do feel that they’re a bit further off this offseason though, someone could pay for Iglesias, though it would be more likely to see him moved at the 2019 deadline. Reliever value peaks midseason after all.

1. Eugenio Suarez

Did you really expect to see anyone else here? He’s the only Red to appear on the Fangraphs’ ranking. He’s signed to a very team-friendly long-term contract. And he’s just so freaking good.

Suarez has already put up 4.1 bWAR for 2018 and will be entering his age 27 season in 2019. Or, you know, his prime. It’s fair to expect Suarez to be a top-5 third baseman for the next two to five years, and at less than $12 million for each of those years, that’s a criminal bargain. (Jose Ramirez, Nolan Arenado, Eugenio Suarez, Alex Bregman, Kris Bryant is my ranking of third basemen if you’re wondering.)

Given the Reds’ current roster construction, trading Suarez would be Dumber than Dumb™. But he’s the one player on this team that is producing at a Major League level with little fear of extreme regression and all 30 teams can afford. The Reds have made some mistakes and had some victories during this rebuild, but Eugenio Suarez will go down as one of the greatest heists in franchise history by the time it’s all said and done.


So what does this exercise mean? Mostly, it’s a calibration for how to think of the Reds offseason. These are the guys that all 30 teams will consider valuable to some degree. Some are untouchable, most should be put on the block immediately.

It’s also meant to illustrate the discrepancy toward how fans feel for their players versus how front offices value them. Scooter is beloved in the Queen City, but doesn’t hold too much value outside of it. His contract and true talent level undercut any bargaining the Reds have at the trade table.

The Reds have the pieces to make something happen next year. They just need to put their money on the table and stop letting sentimentality get in the way.

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  1. Wow I disagree with a lot of this list. Garrett is way undersold. Lefty out of the pen who could turn into a closer. We know teams were asking about him at the deadline. Tyler Stephenson would also make the top 10. I don’t see much value in Peraza, Scooter, Disco or Hamilton. Winker would be closer to 15 than 3. Mahle would still be in the top 10 IMO.

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  2. I think any of the guys listed in your “Guys Who Are What They Are” section would return more than Hamilton. Team control is a valuable thing. Garrett supposedly drew interest at the deadline and Herrera had returned to the levels he displayed earlier in the career making the roster as a 19 year old. Romano and Mahle aren’t likely to be highly sought after, but still young enough to take a chance on. Stephenson is the real question mark, but also still has team control and a top prospect pedigree that would draw interest. The returns wouldn’t be astronomical, but Hamilton is returning anyone’s top talent either

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  3. Top 10 for me would be (not necessarily in this order): Suarez, Iglesias, Senzel, Greene, Trammell, India, T. Stephenson, Mahle, Castillo, and Garrett. Winker and Schebler both in the 11-15 range with Santillan, Barnhardt, and a fight for the last spot (Lorenzen, R. Stephenson, Peraza, Gennett, Romano?).

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  4. I think your post could have been really good without all of the Scooter and sentimental player talk. You are reminding fans that their beloved player holds very little value to other front offices, yet we need to trade those sentimental players to those same front offices. I think it is just the opposite. The Reds will need to most likely put some of the untouchables on the market in order to obtain what this team desperately lacks. They need to find teams with SP depth that are lacking in areas where the Reds have organizational depth, or a team like the Mets with valuable SP under team control that are looking to rebuild with can’t miss prospects. It all really comes down to the Reds plan for timing, if they have one. I don’t think other teams are looking to trade for players that most fans consider to be sentimental, so that becomes a moot point.

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    • I think you’re conflating little value with no value. Scooter has trade value, it’s just not as much as Reds fans feel is necessary to move him. We do need to trade Scooter because he is blocking a potentially much better player, regardless of the fact that he won’t return all that much. I also agree that at least one of Greene or Trammell should be on the market.

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      • But he isn’t blocking anyone long term. I think this last month is a great reminder of how important it is to have depth, and there are still a lot of question marks for this young team. I see greater value in having his bat in the lineup (if only for 2019) than I see in obtaining the caliber level of player that we both think they would receive in a trade. It’s a different story if they’re out of contention next July.

        If this current lineup were in contention and had a healthy Senzel in the mix, I would hope that they would find starting positions for both Senzel and Gennett. I just wish they would do that now for Herrera.

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        • I guess I don’t see what keeping Scooter around for another year adds to the team and that’s the disconnect. If he’s gonna be gone after 2019, then get something for him. If he’s not going to be gone, then he is blocking Senzel long term. Scooter can’t play anywhere else and frankly Senzel should be given a shot at an infield position.

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          • It’s just a difference of projected value. I would roll the dice for the arb $ for one year in the hopes that he puts up a wRC+ of 115 or more. Little risk IMO. He still isn’t blocking anyone. Senzel is an athlete, can easily play OF and it’s not like Peraza is lighting it up at SS. He has shown signs of improving defensively, but I am not sold yet long term. I think Senzel still gets plenty of looks in the IF.

            You made the statement that other teams will want to hope for the May hitting Scooter as opposed to every other form. He has over 950 PAs with the Reds with a wRC+ of 124 and 128 during those seasons. He will likely regress, but that’s enough data that I’m willing to see how he can help this team next season.

      • I guess Pete Rose should’ve got traded 3-4 times for Foster, Driessen, etc. Whats wrong with moving guys around and keeping talent? Scooter is a good hitter….could be better defensively, but now that Votto looks faded and Schebler may need to DH somewhere….they’re not so lefty loaded as they were. Daniel Murphy got $37 mil/ 3 years. That’s not outrageous. They paid Mesoraco 13 mil/yr or whatever for 350 atbats? What lockdown #1 starter are they getting for $37 mil?

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        • Scooter is a good hitter yes, but he’s not the world beater his been made out to be. He’s pretty average at the end of the day really.

          If you have a potentially better option for younger and cheaper, you go with it, no matter how little $37 mil may be in the grand scheme of things.

          Thing is, if Senzel proves to be a dud, then you try Long or India, again younger and cheaper. Keeping Scooter doesn’t make the Reds any more of a contender next year and extending him only hurts their long term prospects.

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        • They aren’t going to get a lockdown starter in free agency. None will be available. They’re also not going to be able to trade for one, because teams don’t trade those guys. There will likely be more trades like the one involving Duvall where they bring in a starting pitching prospect who has performed well or decently at Class AAA. Hamilton may bring someone like that in a package if they decide to trade him. The Reds will have to hope for strength in numbers, and that a few starting pitchers in that age 23 to 26 grouping they currently have will separate themselves from the pack and eventually develop into average or above-average starters.

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  5. Nice work, Wes. My top 5 would be the following:

    1. Suarez
    2. Senzel
    3. Trammell
    4. Iglesias
    5. Scooter

    Greene would be top 4 somewhere before the injury. I wouldn’t have Peraza, Hamilton, or Barnhart. I’d definitely have Garrett and Mahle somewhere in there.

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  6. Fantastic work, Wes.

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  7. Nice list.
    One thing about Iglesias, his contract runs through end of 2021 season, 3 years left. But that 2021 salary is yet to be determined, either arbitration or settling on a deal. I don’t know if that changes your rankings, but it might change Iglesias’s trade value in your mind.
    The trade winds need to be at gale force this off-season. Some Reds fans peeps are going to get disappointed this winter when some fan favorites go bye-bye.
    I’d put Senzel-Winker-Greene in the untouchables by default because of their significant injuries. They should be there to begin with. Sure a team could trade for them but it isn’t likely. I believe Santillan and Trammell have one foot in and one foot out of the untouchables. They will be at the top of the list of other teams whom the Reds will seek out for trades. The Reds might get to hold onto one.
    India + a huge package to the Mets for Syndergaard is my top off-season trade target. Now that package would probably require one of Santillan or Trammell. The Mets loved India in the draft.
    The Reds do have creativity on their side if they would choose to use it. The have good depth in the #5 to #15 prospect range, maybe even down to #20, from which to trade from. The Reds could try a couple of packages that are a mix of some current team players with a few years team control in a package with those #5 – #20 prospects. Or use these prospects to sweeten a Scooter trade, a BHam trade, or a DeSclafani trade to get something they need. They won’t bring much by themselves. Expectations of a return from a Scooter trade are wildly over-estimated by many.
    But you just never know how a trade market will unfold. With a much ballyhooed free agent market this winter, will it then influence the trade market in a positive way or a negative way? Positive = many trades, negative = fewer trades. The Reds have targeted this off-season as the one in which they will participate. The timing may be good, the timing may be bad. We’ll have to wait to see.

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  8. I don’t think anyone in your Top 8 is going anywhere but for the right price, Iglesias should be moved. Schebler at 9 is a possibility. Hurt back to back years now so a DH role might suit him. Hamilton can go but you’re probably right about Mr. C. Scooter’s a tough call.

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    • Yeah I think is Iggy is the only one approaching movement though an India deal could end up making sense. Unless Mason Williams is for real, I think the Reds should hold Scheb.

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      • I still think Schebler is a potentially above average hitter and power guy. But, maybe he is injury prone. Winker is on the road to becoming a very good hitter. And he is not small. I think he can be a 20 HR /year guy.

        Actually, very impressed with what you did here, and how you went about it. Of course, people will disagree, but following a sports team is supposed to be fun, and not all that serious.

        The way you went about placing value was at least methodical and not attached to special sentiment.

        I personally would be loathe to trade Trammel. I think he is going to develop into an exceptional ballplayer. I also would not trade Senzel. I would trade Gennett for something of value, but remember the Reds got him for just about nothing. I like the guy, but he is less than average as a 2nd baseman, and probably not much good anywhere else.

        If the Reds were going to trade Iglesias, they should have done it last winter, when his value was higher. Really, the Reds bullpen is going to be overloaded with guys that can’t cut it as starters but have good arms next year.. Which is why they should have also traded Hughes and Hernandez. Too late, and little imagination.

        Billy is just about worthless, besides being a very good centerfielder. His OPS is tiny, and he actually is not stealing as many bases this year. His “twitch” quickness may be starting to fade. Still very fast as an outfielder. I can’t see the Reds paying him what Arb money will be alotted to him. That’s just nuts.

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  9. I enjoyed this article a lot. The subject matter is intriguing, but Jesse Winker at #3? Seriously? He’s never had 500 AB in a season (MiL or ML). He doesn’t hit LHP, nor run the bases well, or even defend his position well. His trade value is well below that of Trammel, Senzel, Castillo, Greene,Barnhart, & Gennett. Probably of less value than Peraza & Schebler as well. Fact is we’re talking about trade value for the Reds. They don’t trade Iglesias, Suarez, or Winker types. The only guy on your list the Reds might trade is Billy Hamilton, but Castellini won’t allow that. Guys the Reds might actually trade would be say Wandy Peralta, David Hernandez, & Jared Hughes. Prospects include Mitch Nay, Jose Siri, Gabby Guererro, maybe Scott Moss. I’m not saying they’re wrong to not make the big deals, but I am saying that they rarely do & other teams act accordingly.

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    • I justified Winker under a different comment, but yeah, you’re right. I just think everyone below him has more pressing injury concerns or hasn’t demonstrated quite the value Winker has at the highest level with age on their side.

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  10. Winker needs to be multi dimensional to be high on the list. Given his tool set that means hit with power. Not sure a guy coming off shoulder surgery which repaired a torn labrum in his lead batting shoulder is going to have much value (again) until he has shown the shoulder is sound and he has demonstrated he can hit for power.

    To me this is a risk on the same order as Senzel’s vertigo until we see the shoulder healed and Winker bashing the ball again.

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    • Completely agree, but I think his production already at MLB level warrants him being as high as he is. Everyone else has big question marks or injury concerns

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      • I think Hunter Greene could be less of a health risk than Winker, largely because of his age, potential versatility and the fact that UCL recovery is a much more known commodity than shoulder repair. They could spend two years working on getting Greene back as a pitcher and still instead switch him to a position guy at age 21. Maybe the elbow mitigates against him at SS but likely not at 2B or a corner OF spot.

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    • That’s where I’m at on it too. He was starting to impress me and the power was getting flashed from time to time but then whammo, he got hurt. Not saying he’s injury prone but shoulder injuries create huge question marks and Winker would be much lower on my “want list” if I was looking at Reds players as an opposing GM or other baseball operations person.

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  11. This is really interesting stuff Wesley. Food for thought, and hopefully a hint of what may lie in store for the Reds down the trading road and down the future rosters road. For my money I think the Reds already have the building blocks for a very good offense for several years to come: Suarez, Votto, Schebler, Winker, Senzel and a solid if not spectacular Barnhart in a key defensive spot. Peraza is the wild card, but there’s no room for Hamilton or Gennett. Just my opinion of course, but this is a fascinating article to contemplate. Thanks.

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  12. Matt Harvey did not like being moved to the bullpen by the NY Mets.
    Homer Bailey did not like it or take it well when he was informed he was being moved to the bullpen.
    Now up in Seattle, King Felix Hernandez is being moved to the bullpen.
    This would have to increase Seattle’s interest in Matt Harvey. The M’s have 4 starters now and nothing but ????? after them. James Paxton, Marco Gonzales, Mike Leake, and Wade LeBlanc. The M’s will have to do something and Harvey is probably one of the better August pitching targets.
    Oakland is 2.5 games ahead of Seattle for the last wild card spot and on the move. They are only 4.5 games behind the NYY for the first wild card spot. The M’s will have to do something to catch up with Oakland. I think the M’s missed the post-season by 1 game last year. And here they are this year letting Oakland pass them by for that last playoff spot.
    There is probably some urgency in Seattle to do something quickly.

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  13. Kenley Jansen from the Dodgers will be sidelined at least a month with an irregular heartbeat.

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  14. People need to remember, there are several other factors that go with making a trade. Who are we going to get? With who we trade off, do we have a plan B? What kind of contract are we bringing on?

    We should never trade people just for the sake of trading people.

    Bottom line, regardless of who we bring in, how we bring them in (trade, FA, etc.), our team’s priority has to be starting pitching. We’ve betted for several years now on the youngsters, and they haven’t stepped up enough. I’m not sure I would trade for anything else. Even with outfield offense, with Winker and Schebler injured, so ones like Ervin starting to get some regular playing time, I believe we will have enough offense.

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  15. Fun article. I like to view lists like this from the perspective of how much the Reds should value individual players rather than what they could fetch in a realistic trade.

    My list would be a bit different, with Senzel right behind Suarez and Iggy. There’s no way India has more trade value than Senzel even with his health struggles.

    India is too high and Winker is way too high. India does not have much professional playing time under his belt. Trammell (in addition to Senzel) and probably Castillo, Peraza, Greene, and Santillan too would be ahead of both. Castillo is still young enough with incredible stuff to have good value. Peraza has show competence at SS; and like you said, he’s 24 and will be a 2 WAR player this year. As with all of these young players, there’s so much cheap team control ahead. Greene (even with his injury) has enough going for him to still be high on the list. He’s a consensus top 30-40 prospect, is just 19 years old, and has an incredible make up. Santillan is a 21 year old dominating AA. He’ll be on top 100 lists by the beginning of next year, where he could start the year in AAA.

    My list would start out: 1) Suarez, 2) Iglesias, 3) Senzel, 4) Castillo, 5) Trammell, 6) Santillan, 7) Greene, 8) Peraza, 9) India

    I’d have to think a bit more about the rest, but it’s initially hard for me to separate the batch of Winker, Barnhart, Hamilton, Scooter, Disco, and Schebler as well as Mahle, Bob Steve, Shed Long, Ty Steve, and Jose Siri.

    For as promising and exciting as Winker’s bat is, his defense is grim. His biggest deficiency is his plodding first step/jump. He doesn’t make terrible misplays when he gets to the ball like Adam Dunn used to, but he is a similarly rated defender. When I go to look up his defensive metrics on Fangraphs, I get an error message stating I can only browse his stats while wearing a hazmat suit. Once I put on the suit, I can see that he is the worst rated outfielder (out of 81) to have played more than 500 innings this year according to UZR/150. He had an even worse rating last year. I’m just not sure what you do with a guy like that or how you value him. But he’s outside my top 10.

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