The Reds announced today that Jesse Winker will likely miss the remainder of the season. He is expected to have surgery on his shoulder. Here is the story from Bobby Nightengale of the Cincinnati Enquirer:

Throughout the last couple of seasons, Jesse Winker has dealt with pain his right shoulder.

After aggravating the injury Monday, Winker is expected to miss the remainder of the season. He was placed on the 10-day disabled list Thursday, diagnosing the injury as a right shoulder subluxation.

Winker is expected to undergo surgery on his shoulder.

“He’ll be ready for spring training next year,” said Reds president of baseball operations Dick Williams. “I don’t think we’ll see him playing this year.”

Winker felt more pain in his shoulder when he ducked under a line-drive single in the ninth inning of Monday’s game against the St. Louis Cardinals and fell to the ground on the base paths. Winker later scored the game-winning run.

This is obviously a major blow for the Reds, who already have Schebler on the DL. The silver lining is this will open up some playing time for younger players. The Reds need to be creative and find ways for Dilson Herrera and Phillip Ervin to get playing time. They should at least get a look to see if they could be part of the Reds future.

39 Responses

  1. Jim Walker

    John Fay (@johnfayman) tweeted that Winker told him he had been dealing with shoulder issues since class A..

    First round draft choice. Suffered a prolonged and distinct drop off in power at about that time which seemed to persist for several years and nobody took a deeper look at the shoulder which the player was now saying was bothering him all along?

    Who is running the store?

    • Jack

      Face palm. The guy who reads the xrays for the Reds is legally blind

      • David

        Tissue injuries will not show up on an X-ray. They might show up on an MRI.

        Jesse and Alex Blandino should be moved to the 60 day DL, and make room on the 40 man for Gabriel Guerrero. He and Dixon should be back up

        Chance for Gennett to play some outfield, and Dilson to play some second base..

      • greenmtred

        One bad shoulder for another. What is it with the Gennett to the outfield narrative? It might make sense when his shoulder is fixed, but makes no sense now.

      • VaRedsFan

        It’s like people aren’t paying attention.

    • big5ed

      It seems that he has had persistent minor shoulder separations over time, none of which were serious enough to require surgery, so they kept rehabbing it. Finally, the time has come to fix it.

      It is what it s. Next man up. Gives Winker a chance to get the problem behind him, plus it opens some playing time for others who need to be evaluated.

      • David

        Yes, that is the optimistic view of things.

        Also, unlikely now that Duvall or Hamilton get traded, as the Reds are now short of outfielders.

      • Jim Walker

        Continual or chronic subluxation seems to be an indicator of other underlying Issue(s) which is why surgery is being done. Or at least that is the inference from this linked article. The part about when surgery is indicated is on down toward the bottom.

        https://www.healthline.com/health/shoulder-subluxation

        Seems to me that when a guy is a big time power guy like Winker was up to A+ and it disappears overnight and he is concurrently having a chronic shoulder issue, there should be more follow through than apparently there was.

      • big5ed

        I hate to accuse people of malpractice, having not seen one atom of medical evidence. Winker has been healthy enough to have a career OPS OF .850+.

        Kris Bryant just got put on the DL for a shoulder problem, for the second time this season. Should we assume the Cubs are run by quacks, or is it possible that shoulder injuries occur fairly regularly in baseball?

      • Jim Walker

        In Winker’s case we are talking about a guy who was exhibiting Bryant type power in the minors right up to the point he said today was when he started having a shoulder issues and the power concurrently disappeared and hasn’t been seen to anything approaching the same degree a since.

        With the power he exhibited early on in his career, he is maybe Votto.

      • Jim Walker

        And to be clear, I wasn’t pointing a finger at anybody over malpractice. A Doc can’t treat what he doesn’t know about which could have just as easily been the case here. Then again trainers could have been popping it back in all along and sending him on his way. At some point there should have been somebody doing due diligence oversight who realize this guy is having chronic subluxation incidents which is an indicator of some underlying issue.

    • greenmtred

      Didn’t he have a wrist injury that was blamed for the power loss? If he didn’t tell anyone that he had shoulder pain–and he might not have for fear of lossing lots of critical time–it’s hard to blame the storekeepers. If he did disclose the shoulder pain it is, of course, a different story.

    • lwblogger2

      I understand surgery being the last option but wow! Maybe this should have been addressed a long time ago? Now he spends time on the MLB DL, earning MLB service time, as he recovers from shoulder surgery that he maybe should have had 1-2 years ago. I really don’t get this organization.

  2. jreis

    may be a blessing in disguise. I am willing to give Ervin another chance. he is the only real 5 tool guy we have in our outfield above AA.

    • The Duke

      Ervin should be playing every day for the rest of the year. He’s been hitting well in AAA this year, and has the tools and plate discipline to be a valuable player. The Reds have 59 games left. Ervin should start at least 55 of them.

  3. msanmoore

    Stinks, but better to have him get fixed and healthy.

    Trade focus should still be on the relievers, Harvey, Scooter and maybe Billy (assuming a club with a big outfield wants him). But I’m still waiting for a headline that involved one of our players. If we don’t at least move Harvey for something, then that whole deal was a waste.

    • Jim Walker

      The way the market for guys like Harvey has moved along leaves a person starting to feel he is going to end up being a face saving dump more than a gain of talent. But hopefully not.

      • Sanantonefan

        And his last start was his worst. Don’t know if that slowed things down on the trade front, but he was pitching really well before that.

      • msanmoore

        Yep … was thinking the same thing. But there are still 5 days to go.

  4. CI3J

    Gutted for Winker, but with what we know now, seems like it was inevitable at some point. Hopefully this doesn’t turn into another Austin Kearns situation.

    The best case scenario is that by fixing this long-lingering shoulder issue, Winker comes back and re-discovers his power, morphing into the second coming of Joey Votto. The worst case scenario is….Well, Austin Kearns. Hopefully this is just a speed bump in the young career of this kid.

    As a complete aside, does anyone else think Winker might end up at 1st base long term, given his plodding pace in the outfield?

    • jazzmanbbfan

      He might have already been there if the Reds didn’t have Joey. I could definitely see it.

    • The Duke

      Winker will be hid in LF until Votto hangs them up at which point they’ll move him to 1B. If the NL gets the DH in the next collective bargaining agreement, then Winker will be the guy in that slot more often than not.

    • Matt Esberger

      Hope the Smothers Brothers are ok with this moonlighting as an outfielder thing. He wrote many of their bits. He does have baseball lineage in that his great uncle is Walt “No-Neck” Williams.

  5. Shchi Cossack

    For the 5 games between tonight and July 31st, the Reds should plant Herrera in LF and Ervin in RF for every game. Obviously Riggleman Is not playing Herrera anywhere tonight. If Riggleman refuses to start Herrera at every opportunity for the remainder of the season, the Reds should thank him for his service and immediately offer the interim manager job to Billy Hatcher.

    Reds have 2 months to determine if Herrera can hit MLB pitching. with such a limited time available, every game and every opportunity matters. If they fail to make this determination, the Reds organizational management have fully demonstrated their lack of commitment to finding and fielding the next competitive team.

    After the 31st, Scooter should be shut down to address his shoulder issue and Herrera can take over the starting 2B position. Irrespective, Ervin should start every game for the remainder of the season in the OF.

    • roger garrett

      I agree Cossack.The problem is they never have gone all in on the rebuild and won’t.The right thing to do is to tell Billy and Adam we must see what these other guys can do and you will need to go along with us but they won’t.They won’t because somebody may play well and then well he sets like Winker has so its a no win situation for Herrera or Ervin or anybody else.Performance does not count and giving guys a legit chance won’t happen.Winker was still a platoon situation and his numbers were Votto like.Winning games is still at the forefront for the Reds even with 60 games left.Your big time right about Scooter and his shoulder issues.Why risk anything with him?Every team sees it and won’t touch him and somebody mentioned on here that he couldn’t pass a physical which is probably right.

    • bouwills

      Comeon SC. Are you going to log time in the lunchroom so the boss can see if the guy they just hired can become astute at your job so that you aren’t as valuable to the company in the future? I hope not. Neither is Duvall, schebler, or Gennett.

      • Shchi Cossack

        Sorry Bouwills. I’m not understanding what you are asking/saying.

        Are you saying that Duvall, Schebler and Gennett should be filling out the lineup card or that they should be happy if they aren’t in the lineup? Are you saying that the Reds can’t or shouldn’t sit them in favor of another player because they won’t be happy with the decision? Are you asking if Duvall, Schebler and Gennett should deliberately tank so the Reds have a reason to insert another player?

    • greenmtred

      Yes, Cossack, the use–or lack thereof–of Herrera is beyond perplexing, and it’s hard to find a rationale for it, regardless of how charitable I’m being. He gives every evidence of being a good hitter and a solid or better 2nd baseman. He could, in fact, be the Reds’ 2nd baseman of the future. But how will they know? Agree also about Ervin. When Schebler returns, he will probably need to be used cautiously, and since Ervin can play all three positions, he should always play one of them.

  6. vegastypo

    Riggleman is too busy trying to scrape every win possible using his “known talent” to keep the managerial job for himself.

    • bouwills

      Maybe, but it appears the staff at this site is so overwhelmed by the Winker news that they forgot to post the game thread for tonight’s game.

      • vegastypo

        Milton might have gone on a rampage and they’re trying to console and corral him. How much can he be expected to take ??????????

        Riggleman said on the pregame show that he’d like to play Mason Williams in one of the games this weekend. … While reading what the Cossack wrote above, it made me wonder what Herrera has to do to get some playing time before the 8th inning.

    • greenmtred

      If true, it’s hard to blame him, and hard to ignore how much better everybody (including RLN) obviously feels when they win.

  7. Streamer88

    I wish Winker well in his recovery.

    Doing it 162 times can be hard on them. Resistance to these types of chronic reinjuring type conditions is part of what it takes to succeed. Here’s hoping Winker is not the new Mesoraco.

  8. Michael Smith

    Your last options should be going under the knife especially with a shoulder. Sounds like the reds have tried every other option and are at the point that rehab is not going to work.