The Cincinnati Reds (44-56) are coming off a thrilling 2-1 win over the St. Louis Cardinals (50-50) last evening. The Reds were no-hit for seven innings by Cardinals starter Daniel Poncedeleon in his MLB debut. The Reds only had one hit through the first 8.2 innings, but Eugenio Suarez hit a home run with two outs in the 9th inning to tie the game at one. The Reds then had four straight batters reach base, the last being a walk-off RBI single from Dilson Herrera. The two teams will square off again this evening at 7:10 PM. The Reds will be facing another pitching making his first MLB start ever.

Starting Pitchers

Homer Bailey is back. This certainly does not induce a lot of excitement around Reds country, but he is coming off seven innings of shutout baseball in his final rehab start. Bailey just simply does miss enough bats anymore. The velocity is near his normal level, so it is hard to believe that he is magically going to get that back. For as bad as Bailey has been, he actually does have a 4.26 ERA in two starts against the Cardinals this year. I will not mention his career 5.71 ERA in 25 starts against St. Louis.

Another night, another Cardinals pitcher making their first MLB start. Austin Gomber is however not making his MLB debut. He has pitched 14.1 innings of relief, and has equipped himself fairly well, minus 8 walks. Gomber was a 4th round pick of the Cardinals back in 2014. The lefty has a 3.42 ERA/4.19 FIP in 11 starts at AAA this season. He struck out a lot more batters (76 in 68.1 IP) then he has in the majors. Here is Gomber’s scouting report from Viva El Birdos:

The arsenal for Gomber is solid and diverse, if unexceptional. He works off a fastball that’s a touch below-average in terms of velocity, sitting 89-90, but he locates it well and delivers it on a steep plane from a high arm slot. His curveball is probably his best pitch, and at its best I could see putting a 60 on it. Overall, though, it’s more like a 55. He throws an average changeup and what looks to me like a little cutter, as well, and both are right around average, maybe 45-50 as far as grades, but he mixes up what he’s doing well enough that everything plays together.

Starting Lineups

1. Jose Peraza (SS)
2. Scooter Gennett (2B)
3. Joey Votto (1B)
4. Eugenio Suarez (3B)
5. Adam Duvall (LF)
6. Phillip Ervin (RF)
7. Curt Casali (C)
8. Homer Bailey (P)
9. Billy Hamilton (CF)


149 Responses

  1. Sliotar

    “Keep tongues clucking.”

    LOL. Game thread is fiesty early tonight. Like it.

    Go Redlegs.

  2. VaRedsFan

    Votto was on the afternoon show on MLB Network. Talking about the Ted Williams show among other things, and about his approach to hitting. The best part, when he is done with baseball, he’d like to drive a school bus!!!

    Hopefully, whoever writes the recap can throw this video in there. It’s a good watch if you can look it up and find it.

  3. Jack

    Padres are in on trading for Chris Archer. The Reds? Who knows. Scuffling along at a snail’s pace as usual.

  4. Old-school

    I was at Homer Bailey’s debut. He scuffled a bit but battled and left the bases loaded in the 5 th inning to a standing ovation. It was electric when he walked off the mound to get out of a jam.

    I don’t know that Bailey has ever faced more pressure than he will the next 6-8 starts. His career and reputation is firmly on the line. He’s a stubborn Texan. I think in the short term , he does ok. For his sake, I hope there are no 362 foot opposute field GABP home runs.

    • roger garrett

      I really hope he odes turn things around because this team needs him.I felt before the season that with him and Disco and Finny anchoring this staff if could become middle of the pack but obviously that hasn’t been the case.

  5. Redgoggles

    Is this a showcase game for Homer? #dreambig

  6. Indy Red Man

    Matt Carpenter to hit a hr +400 (4 to 1)

    Don’t make me do it? He’s been hitting HRs right and left….and off some good pitchers.

    • Matthew Habel

      oh yeah and with Homer pitching, that is a solid bet

  7. Jim Walker

    In Louisville thru 5 BobSteve’s line is
    5.0IP; 2H; 0R 2BB; 3K; 68P/46S

    Stephsnson just weathered a nasty 5th with no damage. Following a lead off single, the runner stole 2nd and then advanced to 3B with 1 out. He was then “caught stealing home” on what I presume was a blown up suicide squeeze play on the 2nd pitch of the subsequent AB by Darnell Sweeney (recall him?) for out #2. Sweeney went on to extend the AB to 15 pitches and draw a walk. RS then came back to retire the next hitter on 4 pitches. So all in all a 25 pitch inning for Stephenson. Let’s see what he’s got left in the 6th.

    • Jim Walker

      Stephenson threw a 1-2-3 6th inning. 10 pitches. For the game 78P/54S

      6.0IP; 0R; 2H; 2BB; 3K

      What’s left for him to prove at AAA?

    • Jim Walker

      The Louisville game is over. it was only 7 innings because they are playing a doubleheader.

      Stephenson pitched a complete game 2 hit shutout. 2BB, 3K; 87P/60S

      • bouwills

        Congrats to R. Stephenson on his 10th victory of the year. He’s the 2nd sp in the Reds MiL to reach double digit in wins behind Scott Moss (11W- 3L).

  8. Jeff Reed

    It should be an interesting game tonight with Gomber and Homer.

    • Indy Red Man

      He works off a fastball that’s a touch below-average in terms of velocity, sitting 89-90,

      Come again? 94-95?

  9. wizeman

    nothing left to prove this is so frustrating to know he is there and not getting the chance he has earned.

  10. Gerardo Helguera

    Reds will hit tonight but will they hit enough? Bailey will get shelled tonight we all know it. 6 runs of support might not be good enough for the Reds tonight.

    • Jazzmanbbfan

      Wrong on both counts so far. Reds aren’t hitting and Bailey is pitching well.

  11. doofus

    “The Orioles are perceived as controlling the market for late-inning relievers, because Zach Britton is drawing widespread interest across the industry. Based on volume, however, the Reds are the most influential bullpen seller of all.

    Sources say the Rockies, Red Sox, Braves and Phillies are among the teams that have checked with the Reds on a late-inning bullpen group that includes Raisel Iglesias, Amir Garrett, David Hernandez and Jared Hughes.

    Among that group, one source said the Reds have no plans to move Garrett, but the other three are available.” ~Morosi

  12. Shchi Cossack

    “I will not mention his career 5.71 ERA in 25 starts against St. Louis.”

    I guess you just did!

    No Winker & No Herrera. Winker started the winning run rally last night and Herrera finished the winning run rally last night, but Riggleman will remain steadfastly committed to the stupid 4-man OF rotation even without the 4-man OF rotation.

    Winker: 128 wRC+ for 2018; APR-JUL wRC+ (122/48/156/203)
    2017 AUG-SEP wRC+ (146/130)

    Hamilton: 66 wRC+ for 2018; APR-JUL wRC+ (50/75/74/70)
    2017 AUG-SEP wRC+ (54/94)

    Duvall: 78 wRC+ for 2018; APR-JUL wRC+ (64/88/95/65)
    2017 AUG-SEP wRC+ (83/43)

    I have to believe that Riggleman, Krall. Williams, WJ & BC can both read and count, so there is simply nothing left but personal agendas that keep the 4-man OF rotation in place…nothing.

    • roger garrett

      Yep and hard to use a rational approach in dealing with others who are irrational in there approach.

  13. Jack

    Good luck to Homer. Hope he surprises us all.

  14. Old-school

    We’ve criticized Molina a lot- but have to appreciate the humanity he just showed. Visibly upset and unable to focus with a K after foul ball hits young fan.

    • seat101

      And he made sure Billy Hamilton took himself out of the game late last season when he was obviously hurt.

  15. Timmy RedLeg

    As much as I like Iglesias, I think the Reds should cash in. Of course that doesn’t mean that they trade him for what ever they can get. But i believe there are enough teams interested, that some team will make it worth it to the Reds.

  16. Jim Walker

    So I guess the main event is on!

  17. CI3J

    Well well well. Homer strikes out the side in the first. Raise your hand if you saw THAT coming.

  18. CI3J

    Seeing Ozuna just painfully reminds me that both he AND Yelich were available this past off season, and both went to division rivals.

    Imagine an outfield with Winker/Schebler/Ozuna, or Winker/Schebler/Yelich.


    • Indy Red Man

      I don’t know if the Cards are happy w/Ozuna? He only has 10 hrs? He’s a good player though.

      • CI3J

        Yeah, to be fair, I would have much rather preferred Yelich, but either one could have helped our outfield.

      • Jack

        Ozuna has a bum shoulder or arm. They say it’s nothing but his throws from the outfield have been weak all year. And without Stanton hitting behind you it’s a whole new ballgame

    • Bill

      Both Winker and Schebler have hit better than Ozuna and Duvall only has a slightly lower OPS. Passing on Ozuna was a wise decision.

  19. VaRedsFan

    Thom said Winker jammed his arm last night diving to get out of the way of a hit. Said his shoulder has been giving him problems for a while. They showed a replay and it looked eerily like Ryan Ludwicks

  20. Indy Red Man

    Goober vs Gomer….battling cousins! This lefty is nasty! They may not get a hit off him either? Hopefully he’ll burn out quickly….first start.

  21. roger garrett

    Since the break everybody is nasty against us.

    • Sliotar

      Yeah, tonight it’s the Young Ghost of Cy Young, apparently.

      Since All-Star Break…1 run, 2 runs, 2 runs, 2 runs (win!).

      3 runs would be progress for the Reds, might have to wait for the crappy Cardinals bullpen to get there tonight.

      • roger garrett

        Yes and we play at GABP where pop ups become home runs.

  22. Indy Red Man

    Pirates 5-1 in the 2nd inning. Dickerson 2-2 now at .319. They are on fire!!!

  23. doofus

    I believe the Reds and Braves match-up well in a multi-player deal centered on Iggy and Wright. Sprinkle in Harvey or Stephenson and Duvall; and, Fried and Pache, maybe Wentz and you have the makings of a trade that benefits both teams.

  24. CI3J

    Homer’s pitching pretty well, but he’s at 53 pitches through 3 innings. At this rate, he’ll be lucky to make it through the 6th.

  25. CI3J

    I have been really impressed with Curt Casali. Looks like another shrewd, low-risk move that has panned out.

    • roger garrett

      I agree and he has some power.Looks and plays like a pro.

  26. vegastypo

    I’m a little surprised the Cardinals didn’t challenge Homer’s slide. It’s not enough anymore just to be able to touch the base. Runner has to slide into the base.

  27. Broseph

    Hamilton really showcasing how overvalued he is tonight. Little league AB and missing that liner. I get most don’t even get to that ball but he’s not giving this team $7M value. Sorry Billy fans

  28. Wayne nabors

    I just want someone to get a hit,this is ridiculous

  29. roger garrett

    Yep our offense is good enough.

    • Wayne nabors

      Wish it would come back from vacation

    • CI3J

      To be fair, two of our best offensive players aren’t playing.

      • roger garrett

        If you are talking about Scott and Winker you are right but because of the goofy rotation they don’t play all the time anyway even though they should start every game

  30. roger garrett

    Homer in probably his most important start can’t get any support at all.Just sad isn’t.

  31. roger garrett

    Well at least we will make sports center on back to back nights.

  32. seat101

    Are we going to wait until they take the pircher out before we get a hit?

  33. Jack

    Cardinal pitching. Last night’s starter is in the minors and tonight’s they drag out of the bullpen. Maybe the Reds should bring up some guy from the minors and another guy from the bullpen. Nah that’s not the Reds way.

  34. Sliotar

    Lorenzen warming up isn’t about pitching.

    It’s to get him in the batting order and give the Reds a decent chance at getting a hit.

  35. Old-school

    The Reds offense is reverting to the mean. Joey votto is a 6 time all star and my offensive player of the decade for 2010-19 in the NL….but….he’s taking a step back. Scooter is an All Star…..but Nick Senzel is the next Reds 2b. Adam Duvall is hitting .199. Billy Hamilton’s OBP is .299 – again.

    Get younger. No new money to players over 26. Stay the course and finish the rebuild. It’s 2020…. Don’t invest in 2019. Clear the slate.

    • roger garrett

      Agree,We have too many holes on offense and when our good hitters struggle we don’t have a chance.Its just the way it is and wanting Billy or Duvall or even Tucker and up until recently Peraza to be something they aren’t well its just wishful thinking.Although Peraza has improved and is 24 so lets hold off on him for now.

  36. Wayne nabors

    This has been the norm for the reds for a long time,just have trouble with rookie pitchers,especially in their debut

  37. vegastypo

    Homer is at 96 pitches, coming off injury, losing by a run, and he bats for himself ??

  38. Jack

    Why is Bailey hitting when he probably wont make it through the 7th due to pitch count? Takes Castillo out last night with 85 pitches.

    • J

      Riggleman is nuts. There is literally no other explanation.

      • roger garrett

        Nuts probably but I hope he tells the 8 position players that Homer got on once and maybe he can do it again which is better then the rest of you have done.Just dreaming but would be a good one don’t you think.

      • Old-school

        To build the narrative that Homer is a starter in 2019 this off season…. They have $30 million on the line and need that. They bought a Bronson Arroyo lottery ticket. They bought a Matt Harvey Lottery ticket. They are buying Homer Bailey lottery tickets.

      • roger garrett

        Works for me especially if he pitches like he has tonight.We need him.

      • J

        Nope, it’s not that sensible. Going 6 innings or going 7 innings in this game doesn’t make any difference to that narrative whatsoever. This is purely Riggleman being nuts.

  39. Jack

    I pray he dont leave him in one batter to long. He has pitched a great game.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      If you got that game from Homer every time, that would definitely fit into the 2019 rotation. It will be interesting to see if he can repeat that effort in subsequent starts.

  40. Sabr Chris

    Seriously, down by 1 and you have Homer lead off. He’s already thrown 96 pitches. Here comes the 3 inning and its should be charged to Riggleman

  41. vegastypo

    Wow, walk the guy, Riggleman !!!! Get Gomber out of the game, or make him hit !!!!!!!

      • Jack

        It is. Lorenzen has been warm for a bit. You knew the guy was going to get a hit. Blaargh

  42. Sabr Chris

    Maybe they trying to blow Homer’s arm out again

  43. Sabr Chris

    And now comes the pitching change

  44. roger garrett

    Dumber then dumb.Good night all hope you can bring us home a winner.

  45. seat101

    I think the interim manager made the right move with Homer.

    If nothing else, the next time the interim manager wants to take home or out of the game, Houma really can’t say anything.

    Plus, Homer is not about hitting pitcher.

  46. docproctor

    Should have been yanked as soon as he walked a .170 hitter.
    Bailey and infielders should be flogged for letting Fowler steal second.
    Bad baseball at crunch time.

    • seat101

      I agree with you that he should’ve been taken out as soon as he walked the better. But I like the idea of letting him come out for the seventh

  47. Jack

    Cardinals announcers going off on the Reds over the fire alarm.

    • seat101

      Everywhere and no other team but the dirty birds, or maybe even the cubs, I might feel a little sorry for that pitcher!!!!’

  48. Sabr Chris

    Gomber is so hot he’s set the place on Fire

  49. VaRedsFan

    Time for the 3 all stars to come through.

    • VaRedsFan

      Scooter tagged it to deep center. Votto breaks up the no-no. Lets go GENO!!

  50. J

    This is yet another game to cite as a reason why Riggleman shouldn’t be given any consideration whatsoever next season. It HAS to be possible to find SOMEONE with managerial experience who’s actually capable of making sensible decisions. There was no rational reason for letting Bailey hit for himself to lead off the 6th. None. It hurt the team’s chances of scoring, and the best possible outcome would be he pitches 7 great innings instead of 6, which is a meaningless distinction.

    • seat101

      I disagree. I think it was a strategic decision, and a good one. Not a tactical decision.

      There’s a reason why he’s the interim manager… He won’t be around next year

    • Indy Red Man

      Horrible move….thats a Dusty special. He would do that all the time and drive me nuts! Latos or Harang or Arroyo would be at 92 pitches and he’d bat them in the 6th or 7th inning? When they were getting pulled when the first guy got on anyway? Idiotic! 12 outs left and Billy is batting twice so now its 10 outs left. Suarez saved him but it was stupid!

  51. Sabr Chris

    Yankees picking up Britton, come on Red Sox with a reactionary over pay.

    • Jack

      Astros lose out again on Britton. Wow

  52. CI3J


    Dude is single-handedly carrying this offesne.

  53. Old-school

    The reds should sign Suarez to an extension! Trust the rebuild and the young hitters!

  54. Tom Mitsoff

    Suarez is legitimately one of the best players in the game. We already knew he is an all-star, but he’s in the upper tier of the all-star category.

  55. Scooter Rolen

    Reds thankfully ruined the Cardinals’ idea of throwing 2 no-hitters in honor of Homer Bailey’s return. WOOOO Suarez! UNREAL!

  56. Jack

    The last 2 nights I have switched to the cardinals network to switch up the bad vibes and 2 Homers by Suarez. Now if I can just do that with the lotto.

  57. Old-school

    Suarez is really good. I’m glad he’s a Red for a long time

  58. Indy Red Man

    Anyone been no-hit thru 6 on back to back nights and won both games? It has to be no?

  59. VaRedsFan

    If Mike goes clean, he can bat in the 8th.

    • Jack

      Riggleman will pinch hit for him. Lol

  60. Indy Red Man

    Cover your eyes Seat….jumping on your boy with both feet!

    Can’t steal with Peraza at the plate. Impossible because he makes soft contact on everything. Its not happening.

    Picked off tonite. Didn’t cover 2nd on a steal which lead to their 2nd run. Double-clutched on their pitcher and gave him a basehit. Add to that 0-4 with his 70 mph bloopers being caught. I just want an offense without Billy and Jose. Trade Scooter if you have to, but get Senzel and Dilson or somebody that can actually do damage to fill out this lineup!

    • seat101

      Jose Peraza iwas not picked off. Casali was out on an attempted steal of home. Lily couldn’t feel second because Jose hit a foul ball as well as a fly out to right field.

      As for not covering second you realize he’s doing double duty because we have a gimp for a second baseman, right? Why do you think Joey goes for so many ground balls any decent second baseman would get to?

      And how do you know it was Peraza’s fault second wasn’t being covered?

      He’s 24 years old, and he is still learning his craft. And, by the way who are you going to replace him with?

      • Indy Red Man

        Yeah the backup catcher thought it wise to steal home…lolllllllllll. He thought he might as well go for it since Peraza got picked off and maybe they would fall asleep. Cmon….you know Casili wasn’t going on his own? Exit velocity. Peraza has none and that will seal his fate.

      • seat101

        Yeah you just have it that this guy is a bad player.

        I notice you didn’t address my point about whom you would replace him with, and the fact he has to cover for Scooter.

      • Indy Red Man

        I’ve said it many times but of course Senzel is done for the year. Suarez back to SS. Problem solved. If huge guys like ARod or Tulowitski could play SS then so could Suarez. He’s smaller then they are.

      • Indy Red Man

        Honestly…I could live with him as a stopgap batting 9th. He’s Honus Wagner compared to Billy. To me its just a long ball game and Scooter is looking to launch with every atbat. He just missed twice in this series. I don’t want to lose that but more agree with you and thats ok. They drafted India for SS though. Also Siri is coming on hard at AA so some big trades are going down between now and 2020.

      • VaRedsFan

        Peraza doesn’t have to cover any ground for Scooter, nor does any SS in MLB cover the 2nd base side of the infield., where is that coming from?

  61. Scott C

    I have to say Ervin has looked really good in right field tonight. Sure looks like he can cover center.

  62. docproctor

    Seeing Iggy hitting 97, 98. Haven’t seen that in weeks, perhaps months.

    • Indy Red Man

      Yeah great sign! I really wanted Frazier from the Yankees or their young pitcher they call Johnny Lasagna. Have to see what they gave Baltimore for Britton?

      • Jack

        I wanted Frazier as well but I think he takes over for Gardner after this year.

      • Indy Red Man

        Not impressed with the O’s haul for Machado or Britton. We really need a good young arm for the rotation, but it doesn’t look like Iggy is bringing that?

  63. CI3J

    Well, 3 best hitters coming up in the bottom of the 9th. Can the Reds do it again?

  64. VaRedsFan

    Scooter hit a foul HR last night, and a foul HR tonight, and a 400 foot out to deep center. I think he might walk it off right here.

    • VaRedsFan

      warning track. Votto’s turn. Walk it off Joey

  65. vegastypo

    Hate to tell ya, Iggy, but that pitch WAS outside. No use ticking off the ump.

    • VaRedsFan

      Yes it was. Thom been calling that pitch “right down the middle” all night. Finally Welsh stepped in and corrected him

    • Scott C

      The issue is not whether or not it was a strike or ball, the issue is the inconsistency of the calls. He has called that same location a ball and strike. Neither pitcher or batter have any idea what is going to be called.

  66. vegastypo

    Gee, a bunt that didn’t work. Go figure. If the next managerial candidate even mentions bunting in the interview, please show him the door.

  67. Indy Red Man

    God forbid they ever just fake the bunt and hit the ball thru all the misplaced infielders? Riggleman and his bunts? The guy is alright for the most part, but that is absolutely the definition of insanity!

  68. Gerardo Helguera

    Winker should have pinch hit

  69. VaRedsFan

    I hate bunting, but a successful bunt increases the chances of scoring 1 run by 5-6%. Other than the pitcher, that was about the only time it is warranted

    • vegastypo

      Perhaps, but with a hitter like Casali, who has been hitting the ball hard, and who probably has little experience doing it, I’d just as soon see him swing away. As it is, he tipped it off the plate and got a great bounce, but it still didn’t work.

      • VaRedsFan

        If they are going to play that close, I agree with you, swing away.

    • J

      A successful bunt could conceivably have helped, but when you factor in the very real possibility that a bunt won’t be successful (and can even result in a double play), the overall effect of asking a player to bunt in that situation is to make your team less likely to score. Another dumb decision. Riggleman trusts his own instincts more than he trusts math.

  70. Indy Red Man

    Amir has been pretty bad for a while now…..too much of the plate on the fastballs. What happened to the great changeup he had when he came up last year?

    Overall good night though! Homer looked fantastic! Iggy looked better then ever. If we can’t get value then he keeps the pen strong next year.

    Jose Siri update….2-5 with a triple and 2 runs scored. 13 for 37 (.351) streak with 4 HRs. I think he could make the Reds next summer at some point?

  71. Red Moon

    If the bunt there was successful there the Reds get the win..

    • J

      First, that’s a big IF. But even IF it’s successful, they’re going to walk Tucker. Then it’s going to be Hamilton with the bases loaded and one out, and I don’t have a lot of high hopes for that. You could pinch hit Dixon for him, but Riggleman probably wouldn’t.