The Short Version: Reds offense dominated by an All-Star pitcher for eight innings, but they scored seven runs in the top of the ninth — capped by a bases-clearing double from Joey Votto to grab the lead — and the Reds snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (41-51) 7 8 2
Cleveland Indians (49-41) 4 5 0
W: Crockett (1-0) L: Allen (2-4) S: Iglesias (19)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score

The Good
–Until the ninth inning, I had very little to say here. Maybe only Kyle Crockett — pride of the University of Virginia Cavaliers — who pitched 2/3 of a perfect inning in relief to pick up his first win in a Reds uniform.

–The Reds had three hits and no runs in the first eight innings. In the ninth, things got fun.

Designated hitter Scooter Gennett (single, walk, HBP tonight) was hit by a pitch to lead off the inning. Eugenio Suarez (2-5, run scored, 1 RBI) followed with an infield single, but Jesse Winker (single, two walks) and Tucker Barnhart were retired.

With two outs and the Reds down 4-0, Jose Peraza pinch-hit for Alex Blandino and collected an RBI single. Adam Duvall pinch-hit for Billy Hamilton next, and he drilled a double that scored two runs. #AllOfASudden, after no offense all night, it was a 4-3 game.

The Indians intentionally walked Scott Schebler, bringing Dilson Herrera to the plate. Herrera, who had already walked once, put together a beautiful at-bat in the ninth inning that loaded the bases for Joey Votto. Herrera was so patient, taking a close 2-2 pitch with two outs for ball three that blew my mind. How does a kid who just got back to the big leagues take a pitch like that?

So, bases loaded for Joey Votto, right? He worked the count to 3-2, and everyone in Redleg Nation was on the edge of their seats. Full count, two outs, bases loaded, ninth inning. Votto proceeded to murder a ball to deep right-center field that cleared the bases and gave the Reds a 6-4 lead on a night when it looked like they were dead in the water.

After an intentional walk, Suarez singled in another run, giving the Reds a 7-4 lead that would be the final margin of victory.

That was as much fun as any last place team can have in mid-July.

The Bad
Another sloppy error by Eugenio Suarez tonight. I love that guy, and I could not be happier that he’s going to be a Red for a long time. But his defense hasn’t been as good as it was last year. Fortunately, he’s one of the best hitters in all of baseball.

Never mind. Everything is great tonight.

Not-So-Random Thoughts
–Sheesh. This team is so much run right now. No one is going to want to face the Reds in the first round of the playoffs.

–Truthfully, I could have put Sal Romano’s start in the “good” section above. Romano gave up two runs in each of the first two innings, but proceeded to pitch into the eighth inning after that rough beginning. Sal’s final line: 7.1 IP, 4 R, 5 H, 2 BB, 1 K, 100 pitches. The fact that he hung in there after those first couple of innings was a big reason the Reds were able to stage a comeback.

–That’s 7 wins in 9 games for the Redlegs, who will go for the sweep against AL Central-leading Cleveland tomorrow night. Tyler Mahle will toe the rubber.

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  1. @hoynsie (Indians beat writer for Cleveland.com)….

    “Tito wanted lefty Oliver Perez to face Votto in ninth. He told pitching coach Carl Willis to call and get OP into the game. Willis thought he said OT for Dan Otero. Gulp.”

    https://twitter.com/hoynsie/status/1016868897495093249

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  2. “That was as much fun as any last place team can have in mid-July”

    Great Line for a great game.

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  3. That was a great comeback! My son was looking at me like I was crazy, screaming and running around the living room! Go Reds!!

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  4. Most of my family are Indian fans…….loved this game.

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    • Ditto here, a Reds fan in a family full of Featherhead supporters. I must confess I left the building and went fishing after Sal’s 1st inning bombs. Returned to see most of the 9th. A sweep at the crappy insurance field would be even nicer!

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  5. Another good: Reaffirming the Indians dire need for bullpen help. They get another close look at what we have tomorrow.

    What a job by Romano to rebound and adjust tonight.

    After blowing big leads to the Sox and Cubs last week, it’s good to even the scales a bit.

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  6. Tyler Mahle takes the mound for the Reds tomorrow in pursuit of the sweep. I believe he’s up for it.

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    • Here’s a nugget of truth from ESPN Mahle hasn’t lost since May 20, going 4-0 in eight starts, and has an NL-low 2.04 ERA since June 1.

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      • I am a huge Tyler Mahle fan. He just knows how to pitch. Reds fans will enjoy him for many years to come.

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  7. What an amazing comeback. Great 9th inning at bat by Herrera. Kept the inning going and bringing up Votto to bat next. Fantastic double by him.
    It is interesting to hear Francona wanted Oliver Perez to pitch to Votto, but bullpen had Otero up and ready to send in. Communication gaffe.
    Reds just need to get to the opponents bullpen. They have taken down some good closers and set up guys. Add Cody Allen to the list.

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  8. I tend to follow Earl Weaver’s vibe on any repercussions from a regular-season comeback like this….”Momentum is only as good as tomorrow’s starting pitcher.”

    The real lasting impact of the shenanigans by the Lake tonight…closer pulled at home forces Tribe to get serious about landing a stud reliever. If only one could be had.

    Playing in AL Central masks how meh that team is..a few top end stars and a lot of scrubs. Especially in the bullpen.

    (Nice re-write, Chad. You are dead on about this one being as good as it gets for this mid-July).

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    • Yeah…they’re farther away then just Iggy. Same thing with Atlanta. Their pen imploded again tonite, but they’d be dumb to give away much of their premium young talent for Iggy. We should be able to get a good looking starting candidate though somewhere?

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    • The tribe might not be great, but Bauer sure looked impressive. I gather that their rotation is very strong, and that two of the outfielders are playing due to injuries to regulars. Just because the Reds beat them doesn’t mean that they’re meh.

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  9. And you know, if Suarez is turning out to be just an average defender a 3B, maybe it’s not that far-fetched to let him be an average SS instead. His bat is far from average. It’d make room for Senzel at 3B.

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    • Or move Geno to the OF. Didn’t Dick Williams say something about Geno’s ability to play other positions besides 3B at the time of the extension (and I don’t mean just SS).

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    • I haven’t seen much of him this year, but did catch the first error last night. That one was just lack of concentration. He fielded the ball and messed up the transition from glove to throwing hand. SS would probably be worse than 3B so you might as well leave him there and move Senzel to SS if the desired endstate is replacing Peraza

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    • I think he’s a far-above average defender at third who is having lapses of concentration this year. If he really has slipped permanently, is shortstop a good place for him?

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      • Correct… I think it’s more disadvantageous to be average at SS if you can be above average than be average at 3rd. SS is a very dynamic position.

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  10. 5th time to score 6+ in an inning in 20 games. Thats a Red Sox type assembly line offense! If they can just put together enough pitching? That was the best Iggy I’ve seen all season too. They need a starter or 2…and maybe a quality late inning arm thats cheaper then Iggy. This is the time to cash in!

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    • I prefer the term “Big Red Machine” type offense, not that Fisk’s homer in game six wasn’t exciting.

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      • The BRM could run….most of these Reds are station to station slugs. Kind of like Boston other then Mookie and Bogarts. It all works though….grinds pitchers down and puts up runs!

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        • The BRM had a few stars who weren’t fast, but they were truly a complete and well-rounded team.

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        • Really? For speed this team is equal, if not faster than the BRM:

          Votto > Perez
          Hamilton > Geranimo
          Peraza > Concepcion
          Barnhart > Bench

          The only BRM players faster than everyday current Reds are:
          Morgan > Gennett
          Foster > Duvall
          And Rose > Suarez

          Schebler = Griffey. You can argue both ways on these two

          The BRM wasn’t without slugs on that team with Bench and Perez. So overall, they match up pretty evenly on the bases. Whether or not they’re as smart is another story.

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  11. I just texted all my Tribe fan friends from college and told them that the cost of Iglesias just went up, but he’d be worth every last bit. Handshake deal before the Reds leave town.

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    • Awesome. But wait until after tomorrow’s game so Reds get to use him for the sweep. Mike Clevinger can get right on the plane to St. Louis and pitch Sunday.

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    • I think I want De Los Santos for Iggy….this 22 yr old Phillies righty. He made his debut tonite and got into the 7th and picked up the win. I think Atlanta might have more then Cleveland too….and their pen is bad. I would deal Cleveland Hughes or Hernandez. Hernandez is probably better then Allen at this point. Thats the rub though….if the Reds blow it up then hows our pen look next year? They really need Lorenzen in the rotation. Its all about the Reds pitching and finding groundball pitchers for GABP.

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      • Philly like Cle & Hou no question needs bullpen help but De Los Santos is probably going to be untouchable. Less likely the Phils would give up a 22 year old SP that can be a future #1 on staff that includes Nola & Arrieta.

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  12. What an amazing game to watch all the way through. We are at the Giants/Cubs game now but can’t stop talking about the Reds!
    Dilson’s walk was huge for the kid. Way to battle Sal.
    Let’s hope this increases what CLE will pay for our pen (let’s also hope that the article that Bob C won’t do deals with CLE is BS)!

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  13. Have to give Riggleman credit for pinch hitting Peraza for Blandino and especially Duvall for Hamilton. I’ve felt recently he’d missed several opportunities to pinch hit for Hamilton late in games. But he did it tonight.

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    • Yes and Scooter over matched by the lefty reliever a few days ago. Struck out on 4 pitches with 2 way out of the zone

      Has to use Dilson in that situation next time

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    • Thinking the same at the time… I give Riggle a lot of grief for his ill-advised bunting but those PH decisions were spot on. (And I’m glad there weren’t any sacrifice opportunities in that 9th inning that could’ve thwarted that 7-spot they put up!)

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    • I thought the same thing at the time. I don’t want to see Riggleman managing the Reds in 2019, but he has not been afraid to make some moves that Price seemingly was. Kudos to Riggs.

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  14. Reading the Indians blog….pretty humorous! They haven’t blown a 4 run lead in the 9th in 11 years.
    Francona asked for OP (lefty Oliver Perez) and their pitching coach Willis thought he said OT for Dan Otero…lolllllll. Why would you bring in a scrub righty to face Votto? OMG we would be crucifying Riggleman and Darwin if they pulled that one off. Actually I know Darwin isn’t that stupid.

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    • Votto was 0-4 against Otero before that at bat. Yes it was a huge error, but they did send someone up who had handled Joey before. Way to Go Joey for taking advantage and executing.

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    • I get it… I still get indigestion from back when Dessens, Graves and the boys blew an 8 run lead to the Cards in 2002.

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  15. Perhaps the best game of the year???

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  16. If the Reds aren’t careful, they might not be in last place anymore.

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  17. No analysis tonight. No trade recommendations. No speculation about future rosters. Just this: that was fun. That’s why I love baseball. Reds baseball is still the best reality show ever. And Joey Votto I’m sorry I had even a little doubt as to how your 9th inning at bat would turn out. That was awesome! Go Reds!

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  18. Jays righty Marcus Stroman back from injury with 7 strong (1 run) in Atlanta tonite. He’s been back for 4 starts now with a 3.04. 3 great starts out of 4. He’s 27 and one of the leading groundball pitchers in mlb. They need to put together something for Toronto.

    A rotation of Stroman, Disco, Mahle, Lorenzen, and Castillo and also add Senzel to this offense? They win 90 games!

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    • Castillo has done very little to nothing this year to indicate he belongs in this grouping.

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      • Talent….Castillo has arm talent. I’ve never believed in Romano, but maybe BobSteve makes it or they trade or sign a guy and they could use Castillo in a Brad Peacock type role where he relieves and spot starts. Give him a chance to get it together. He’s got the stuff. His slider was good against the Cubs but then he’d get them down 0-2 and start nibbling his way back to 3-2 or hang a slider on 0-2 (Russell) where he just snapped off 2 or 3? Fixable stuff imo.

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        • Not questioning Castillo’s arm talent or stuff or whatever anyone wants to call it but this train is moving past OJT at the MLB level.

          After half a year seeing what we’ve seen this season, Castillo has pretty clearly regressed beyond the he will get it together soon stage. There are changes, mental and physical that need to happen in his game; and, to date we aren’t seeking evidence of them on the mound.

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          • He’s not done cooking yet.

            I remember how up and down Cueto was in his second year. It was a rollercoaster and not a fun one. Yet, at some point he found a way to become dominate. I think Castillo has the stuff to do the same.

            Also, how many number one or number two teams have the Reds faced over the last month? …Cubs (4-0), Atlanta (2-1), Milwaukee (2-2), Cubs (1-2) again, and now Cleveland 2-?). That’s an 11-5 record against some of the toughest offensive lineups in baseball. None of the Reds starters got destroyed. We’ve been in every game even if it wasn’t pretty.

            This team might be the one years from now we call CELLAR-TO-STELLAR.

        • I agree Tom. Not ready to pull the curtain on Castillo being a strong asset.

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      • Castillo has performed EXTREMELY well in spots, unfortunately mixed with getting bombed within the same games. The swings and misses he draws are no joke. He has more potential than anybody else on this staff to develop into a Soto, Cueto, Rijo, like pitcher.

        With Darwin and hopefully guys like Soto during the off season perhaps this happens.

        Severino struggled last year in his second season. He’s doing okay this year. Development doesn’t happen linearly. The talent in Castillo’s arm is there. It’s up to the Reds to help Castillo as much as possible to become the ace or co-ace they need.

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  19. Herrera didn’t get any hits but he drew a couple of timely walks and ran a good count in one of his K’s. Looked like Cleveland wanted no part of throwing him a hittable fastball.

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    • Agreed. I hope they don’t base his value on one performance like this like they did Winker and say he’s not ready. He should be starting against #4 and 5 on opponent pictchimg staffs and not Aces.

      He showed amazing patience, especially that last at bat that shows he has a mlb ready approach at the plate.

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  20. Big ups to young Peraza, he may not have killled that ball, but he still came up with two outs in the 9th inning, after stinking up the joint yesterday, and delivered. That’s gotta be a confidence booster.

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    • Peraza swung at a breaking ball out of the zone on the first stinking pitch and made incredibly weak contact. More evidence his plate approach will make OPS’ing more than .700 a huge struggle.

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  21. As of now, Iglesias value for the Reds is solid gold, team is winning and bullpen is short to only 4 or 5 effective arms (Iglesias, Hernandez, Hughes, Garrett and Lorenzen). Another lefty is urgently required. Go Reds!

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  22. Prior to the dramatic 9th inning, Bauer was dealing and completely stifling the Reds bats…almost. Against Bauer:

    Jesse Winker (1-1 w/ 2-BB)
    Alex Blandino (1-2 w/ 1-BB)
    Scooter Gennett (1-3)
    Dilson Herrera (0-3 w/ 1-BB

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  23. Following the 9th inning smackdown by the Reds on-base machine:

    .422 OBP Joey Votto (1st in NL)
    .405 OBP Eugenio Suarez (2nd in NL)
    .397 OBP Jesse Winker (5th in NL)

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    • Remember how long we as Reds fans lamented the lack of OBP skills on this team? For the longest time, it was Votto….. And no one else (except for the brief interlude when Choo was here).

      Now suddenly, the Reds are turning into the Oakland A’s circa 2002. And not surprisingly, suddenly they are starting to win. There was an article awhile back about how Votto’s approach was a huge influence on Peraza and Suarez, and you’d have to think the rest of the team is also trying to get in on the act. These are the intangibles that stats won’t tell you about having a player like Joey Votto on your team.

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      • I particularly enjoyed listening to the post game comments about moving the line along until someone provides the big knock.

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        • I enjoyed listening to Thom talk about how poorly Votto hit with men in scoring position and then Votto runs the count full and knocks the cover off the ball. Brantley then says “That was clutch, right there.” Almost woke my wife with my laughter.

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          • It was sickening to hear Thom in the run up to Votto’s hit pounding the “this is why they pay him $25 million, for these at bats.” You can tell he was hoping Votto would fail in that situation, so he could pound Votto. It’s part of the Brennaman family brand. Marty in the radio broadcast had been doing the same thing, saying that Otero had “thrown a 90-mph fastball right by” Votto. I can’t understand why the Reds put up with that from the lead voices on their radio and TV broadcasts.

          • Actually nice to hear.
            I watch a fair number of Rockies broadcasts, all I hear is kiss Rockies backside.
            I think a little complaining is nice.

          • Key word: a “little”

            Thom was clearly setting up the target to go after Votto. It’s kind of a win/win for him, he either gets to do his thing and tear down the star player, or get to call an exciting player. Thom is the guy that hate watches games just to complain, except he gets paid to do it.

          • Steve and CP: I heard the call, too, and I heard it a distinctly different way. I heard Thom being *HAPPY* that Votto came through in the clutch….and that in that AB, Votto earned his keep.

            Hopefully Joey continues to do more of this and drive home the bacon when the bacon is there to be driven in. As Thom said during the at bat, Votto was 0 for 3 in 2018 with the bases loaded and two outs, and hitting .220 with RISP and two outs. Overall he’s doing better hitting .300 with RISP regardless of outs.

          • I was talking about the lead up to the hit. The entire at bat. Once Votto got the hit, Brennaman had no choice. But he never misses an opportunity to slant his characterization of Votto’s accomplishments and be all over him every time he fails. Even that description, that this was the at bat the Reds are paying him for is wrong. The Reds pay Votto for an entire season of run production. Votto pays that off and more throughout the year. But Thom loved setting Votto up so that in the chance he failed – and the odds were against Votto – Thom would have gone on and on about how Votto was “not clutch” in the thing the Reds paid him for. A totally false framing.

            There is no fair interpretation of the broadcasting of either Brennaman that concludes other than they have a deep bias against Votto and they express it whenever they can.

      • The recent winning also coincides with relatively effective pitching.

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  24. Looks like the official scorer reevaluated the error originally credited to Blandino on the throw to 3B and changed it to a missed catch on Suarez. That’s 13 errors by Suarez this season. This is the defense we saw from Suarez in 2015 at SS and 2016 at 3B before his stellar breakout defensive season at 3B in 2017. That’s not a criticism on Suarez, just an observation. Suarez in putting together a 5.5+ WAR season.

    The Reds may have to face the realization that the 2017 season may have been the defensive outlier. The good news is that the Reds have a 3B-in-ready replacement if necessary and Suarez’ arm and bat play in RF, probably as a defensive upgrade. Sometimes things have a way of working themselves out if you just keep an open mind, open eyes and a willingness to adapt.

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    • If Senzel plays 3rd base and Suarez moves to right field, then Schebler could play left field. The Reds would then just need to find a good center fielder to have a really good lineup (assuming they keep Gennett at second base).
      This team is really close to being a good team—a couple of starting pitchers away from being dynamite. Of course those starting pitchers are the hardest commodity in baseball to come by. DeSclafani and Mahle are very good. I still think Castillo will find his groove and become consistent. I do NOT think that Reed or Stephenson will ever become the consistent starters that a team needs—both have huge control issues. They just never know where the ball is going when it leaves their hands. If they can be packaged with a few other players for a center fielder or a pitcher that is the way to go. Let another team try to develop them.

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    • Exactly on adaptability and flexibility. The Reds org and we as Reds backers need to realize they have a huge pool of talent at and about to burst upon the MLB level. Today’s corner IF may be next season’s or the season after corner OF.

      There are really only three positions, C, SS, and CF that are overwhelmingly special skill positions on defense. One and two tool players at other positions could lose out to multi tool guys who are not quite as good as the limited tool guys at those specific skills but stronger enough across the board to be the better choice. Unless a player’s OPS is off the top of the charts, he better be able to run bases and play solid or better defense if he wants a spot on this Reds team in a couple of years.

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    • WAR doesn’t weight hitting (none of the sabermetrics do) for importance of ABs – when runners are on base – and thus Suarez’s WAR is probably significantly understated (by percentage).

      Not sure if Suarez is a defensive upgrade from Schebler….but it’s a great point the Reds have to do the marginal analysis to determine the optimal defensive fielding lineup while keeping offensive considerations in mind to minimize damage done by Reds fielding to the young pitching staff. Subpar infield defensively all around as things stand….although the offense has been great since Suarez’s return and Peraza developing some plate discipline.

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  25. As Steve mentioned above, the move by Riggleman to pinch hit Duvall for Hamilton was huge, both from a game impact perspective and from a possible philosophical roster management change perspective. The fact that the move worked is completely secondary to it being the correct move to make.

    I wasn’t as enthusiastic about the move to pinch hit Peraza for Blandino. I just didn’t see the efficacy in the substitution, but it certainly worked to keep the line moving. I really like Blandino’s defensive work at SS. He simply makes plays I don’t see Peraza making, but Peraza is playing his way into the starting SS role.

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    • Applaud the PH moves too. Too often they are so obvious, but are never made.
      Duvall could have struck out on 3 pitches and it’s still the right move. Down 3, with 2 on and 2 out…all day every day, that you hope Adam runs into one and ties it.

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    • Duvall for Hamilton did work, but but it’s worth noting that Hamilton’s average and OBP exceed Duvall’s and have for some time. I would have done the same thing, though.

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  26. The Reds are very close to competing in 2019. They need:

    CF
    2 SP
    (possibly) SS

    They have these trade chips available:

    Iglesias
    Harvey
    Scooter
    BHam
    Duvall
    Hernandez/Hughes

    You would think from what the Reds have available, they should easily be able to plug their remaining holes. This July and offseason are going to provide the final answer on if the Reds are going to compete for the next 5 years or continue to avoid the bold moves that are needed to get there.

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    • I think you have to add one of Winker or Schebler to that list. If one of the infielders is moved to the outfield or the Reds pick up a corner outfielder in a trade then one of those two becomes expendable. Personally I want to see the Reds keep both, I love Wibker’s approach at the plate and think he is going to constantly get better. I think Schebler with more playing time will as well, but if it means opening a place for Senzel to play and improves the overall team, then I say do what needs to be done

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  27. “Joey Votto has 2 career plate appearances with the bases loaded, 2 outs, down 1, in the 9th-inning or later in his career.

    He hit a walk-off grand slam in the first instance (May 13, 2012 vs Nationals) and tonight he hit a go-ahead bases-clearing double against the Indians.”

    I hope this tweet finds its way to Thom. His rants against ‘small sample size’ references when those sss statistics are the only statistical support for his narrow, mindless, self-serving truths became stale a long time ago.

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    • Never ever when it counts

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    • Actually, on the Fox broadcast, Thom! did bellow: “That’s why he gets paid the big bucks!” when Votto hit that double. The issue is that Thom doesn’t really think about what he’s saying most of the time.

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      • I heard that on the replay. The problem is that he and Marty are so disingenuous about all that– heap praise on a good outcome, heap scorn on a bad outcome. That’s not “telling it like it is,” it’s reacting to the winds of each moment and never standing by an informed opinion.

        They’d both make excellent pitchers– “gotta have a short memory…”

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  28. After the dust settled from the 9th inning offensive explosion:

    161 wRC+ Eugenio Suarez (1st in NL)
    139 wRC+ Joey Votto (9th in NL)
    133 wRC+ Scooter Gennett (13th in NL)
    123 wRC+ Scott Schebler (25nd in NL)
    122 wRC+ Jesse Winker (26rd in NL)

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  29. 11-5 in 16 games against 4 of the best teams in MLB during the past 3 weeks. That’ll do!

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    • Would it be fair to say 13-3

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      • I meant 13-3 after blowing games

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        • Letting a few slip is part of the game… if they get to take credit for last night’s win against the Tribe in a comeback, they have to take their licks when they let it happen to them. The best part of all of it is that they are playing competitive, nose to nose baseball.

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  30. I think its already been said, but loved the move by Riggleman to pinch hit Peraza and especially Duvall for Hamilton. Really nice move and in Duvall’s case it gave the Reds a legit chance to tie game w/ a HR compared to Billy (Duvall hit a double instead, but worked just as well!).

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  31. Reds are 3-2 on the current 9 gamer 3 city road trip. Love how things are shaping up but would give anything to have not given away 1 of our two losses to the cubs. Before the trip started I posted that I would be happy with 5-4. I still think that is doable. The bull pen has fallen a bit recently but they were pitching very well in our recent good run. If this team can find some starting pitching we can contend next year. Per Williams we have money to spend. We have some young talent ready to contribute or be utilized to acquire some missing pieces to the rotation. Lots of options for the reds. We shouldn’t trade anyone unless the deal absolutely bowls us over and makes us better NOW!!!!

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  32. The Tribes spin was they brought the wrong reliever into the game (Otero) intead of Oliver Perez. I read the recap on SI and not one bit of credit to the Reds hitters. That was surprising to me.

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  33. It’s not surprising to me. After all, it is Cleveland regarding anything concerning Cincinnati.

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  34. Old guy outdated stat time:

    Adam Duvall on pace for 100 rbis. Tied for lead league in 9th inning HRs…interesting? Perfect 4th outfielder/defensive replacement for Winker imo!

    Scooter is at .322 & trails Nick Markakis’s .324. Eugenio coming up fast at .316! A Red in the mix for a batting title might keep me channel surfing a little in late September. 45 years since a batting champion is a longggg time.

    I thought Iglesias looked fantastic last night! His changeup was great and velocity was a little better at 96….plus the slider too and he dropped down on a righty hitter which is nice to throw in occasionally. With that mix of pitches it makes me want to revisit him in the rotation even if its 5.1 ip or something? I could go for trading him but its a big loss at the same time! I would absolutely have to get a starter back. De Los Santos w/Philly or maybe Bieber with Cleveland?

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    • Or use Iglesias in some modified Tampa Bay Ray sort of way?
      TB Rays pitching staff have the lowest ERA in baseball since they began matching up relief pitchers strategically for the first inning or two. 2.70ish. They’ve given up only 27 runs in the first inning in the 50 to 60 ballgames since they began doing that while the league average is 50 runs or so.

      Analytics is one thing. Applied analytics is better. TB is doing it.

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  35. This team is just a few pieces away from being really good. The time is now to add those pieces.

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    • It is time to add—not trade our players for prospects as we have been doing. This team is close and they are developing a winning attitude. So I agree with you.

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  36. This recent 6 or 7 week run of good baseball by the Reds will have a profound effect on the Reds trade deadline moves. It is going to throw a big bucket of cold water on any Reds trade talks. It is going to give the front office the false belief that they have been on the right course all along. There won’t be much action on the trade front for the Reds because of this. They will hold on to Harvey too long hoping to get an affordable extension with him and won’t trade him by July 31. Once it becomes evident that Harvey will test the free agent waters, the Reds will try to trade him later in August. But they will have to place him on waivers first and some team will put in a claim, probably just to block a trade from happening. As a result of waiting, the Reds will get no return on Harvey.
    Good relievers seem to have more value in July than they do in the winter. The Reds might, and I say might, put one reliever up for trade. But I have a hard time believing now the Reds will make such a move and will hold onto all of their relievers.
    The Reds are very deep at 2B. But they will not make any moves at that position even though Herrera is out of options and cannot be sent back down to AAA without being exposed to the waiver wire. Gennett will still be with the Reds and Senzel will be ready next spring for the spot. After Herrera, there is Shed Long, Jeter Downs and Cash Case in the 2B pipeline with a few more further down the pipeline.
    Then there is the OF where the Reds have a 4 man rotation and a couple of spare outfielders. The 2 that were the most expendable are now hitting better and the Reds will stand pat on the OF.
    And then there is the rotation. Harvey will leave at the end of the year. The Reds will see a mildly resurgent Homer Bailey and will pencil him into the rotation for 2019, not giving RStephenson, Cody Reed or even Lorenzen a second look.
    The Reds front office will see themselves as contenders now for 2019 with the way they have played the last several weeks. There will only be a couple of subtle changes to the lineup where a bullpen spot or bench spot are filled. There won’t be any big or medium sized free agent signings this winter. That is fine. Maybe another reliever deal like they signed with Hughes or Hernandez, or a similar type of deal for the bench. However, there won’t be any big trades this July or this winter to get a CF or a Starting Pitcher.
    Unfortunately, the trade deadline regarding the Reds will be much like last winter, very little action. And then this winter will be more of the same. This recent play will have the Reds front office believing they are set for 2019 instead of going out and doing the necessary things to improve upon the lineup. No upgrades are coming via trade. Where the Reds are concerned, don’t look for much, if anything, to happen between now and July 31 on the trade front. There won’t be any top prospects coming back to Cincinnati in trades. It is going to be the same old song and dance at the deadline with the orchestra being led by Dick “Stand Pat Jr.” Williams and his trusty sidekick Walt “Stand Pat” Jocketty. Williams is already laying the ground work down by saying that the Reds “don’t really have to trade anybody”.
    It is going to be a very disappointing trade deadline for Reds fans expecting more. For me, I was expecting a semi-blockbuster trade at the deadline (Iggy or Gennett) and a blockbuster trade this winter for a SP similar to the Latos trade to get Latos. I don’t think either can be expected now.

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    • Agree. I saw a chart the other week that showed the Reds were last or 2nd to last in the number of trades made since 2012. Which, considering they have been in rebuild mode that whole time is unbelievable. It shows a front office that is stale and without any ingenuity. And probably with too many cooks in the kitchen.

      I’m not sure they will get anything of interest for Harvey, so that may not be a big deal. However, they absolutely need to resolve the 2nd base and outfield situations now. And cash in on a reliever, whether that is Iglesias or Hernandez. I’m hopeful that they will look to add the best talent and not necessarily major league ready guys, but I’m not optimistic. IF they even make any deals.

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      • Well, it is not a great comparison since they haven’t been rebuilding since 2012, they made the playoffs in 2013, and thought they were going to contend in 2014 and even went into 2015 thinking they could still compete (dumbly).

        I also don’t really see why the number of trades would mean anything. Zack Cozart was the only guy they really let walk away, everyone else they should have traded, got traded, even if it was too late to get optimal value. If anything, its a sign that they had resigned a lot of their better veterans during that time rather than flipping them. They’ve relied on their minor leagues for talent, and that can be a slow process that doesn’t show up in transactions.

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    • I don’t think they need to trade anybody (except Harvey) either. It’s time to add “players”, not “prospects”. Lets unload some off our 15 or so 2B prospects to a non-contender to acquire a Latos-like pitcher.

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  37. It all depends on the quality of offers, but moving (or signing) Harvey is a must. Bring up BobSteve to fit his rotation slot. Everything else depends on the offer. Since the first month, this team has been very healthy (knock on wood.) That is Riggleman’s best managerial feat! I think the depth is a refreshing change of pace – we actually have MAJOR LEAGUERS on our roster, perhaps a full roster allotment (for the first time in a long while)! But, if injuries creep up – as they tend to do – then we are actually in a good position to plug/play across the board. The recent (unexpected) resurgence reminds me of a few years ago when Votto went down and they plugged in Frazier and the Reds won something like 12/15. Good times!

    I’m cautiously optimistic of the front office’s approach, with the demotion of Bailey/Finnegan to AAA, and to bullpen that the front office is rightfully prioritizing who can help in the final stages of this rebuild regardless of the player payroll/veteraniness. Now, if they bring Bailey back before BobSteve (as a starter) then I’ll be disappointed since BobSteve is now excelling and seems to be ready to take the next step at the major league level. I am a bit confused the timing of the Dilson H. promotion, but it could be due to the timing of AAA all star break too (he would be sitting down there too). I have a feeling that either he or Scooter will not be here August 1, perhaps the front office already knows this? Now if he sits the entire second half, then I think we are right to question the front office/timing on this. Perhaps they have a deal for Scooter, but want to wait until after the All-Star break?

    Regardless, I’m just enjoying the ride, it’s been unexpected and so refreshing!

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    • Don’t read too much in Bailey’s bullpen stint the other day. AAA is on all star break, and they wanted to get some innings before the shutdown.

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      • With the GM’s comments yesterday, it appears you were, sadly, correct. Was/am hoping that BobSteve got the chance first.

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