The Reds failed to extend their 3-game winning streak, falling to the Pirates in the struggle for 4th place in the NL Central. Joey Votto missed a game-tying extra-base hit by one foot with two outs in the 9th. 

Cincinnati Reds 2 (25-44) • Pittsburgh Pirates 3 (34-35)

Box Score || Win % || Reds Pitcher Statcast || Reds Hitter Statcast

Matt Harvey was OK. He gave up four hits, two walks and struck out two in 5+ innings. His ERA is 5.92 and FIP 5.33. He got pulled after giving up singles to the first two batters of the 6th inning. The Pirates made a couple loud fly ball outs to end the 5th. His fastball was around 95 mph, which is good. But his ability to induce swinging strikes, as Matt Wilkes pointed out in the game preview, is lagging. He got just 8 whiffs in his 100 pitches, which is right on his season average and 14th worst among starters in the major leagues. The Reds might be able to squeeze a tiny bit of trade value out of Harvey, but it sure doesn’t seem worth the starts he’s soaking up at the expense of Robert Stephenson, Cody Reed, Amir Garrett or Michael Lorenzen. Take your pick.

Wandy Peralta was brought in to face a single left-handed batter with runners on first and second in the 6th. He threw two pitches. The first was a ball well out of the strike zone. The second was a HBP, loading the bases. Peralta has more walks than strikeouts this year. As we’ve said many times, it’s hard to fathom why the Reds keep using Peralta in important spots. 

Michael Lorenzen got the last 9 outs for the Reds, allowing two hits and a walk while striking out two. If he can pitch three innings, he can pitch five. If he can pitch five, he can pitch seven. Rinse, repeat. 

The Reds scored their first run on a single by Scott Schebler, a 401-foot double by Joey Votto and a sacrifice fly by Scooter Gennett. That sequence is a pretty good example why RBIs are a pretty lousy measurement for offensive production. Votto’s double contributed four bases of offense, Gennett hit a routine fly ball that gained one base. Votto’s hit obviously contributed more to the run than Gennett’s fly ball. But Gennett got the RBI. Measures like wOBA and wRC+ do a much better job of isolating the hitter’s contribution. Votto’s double would have been a home run in any other major league ball park. 

Scott Schebler made a nice catch against the centerfield fence, jumping to take away a Pirates extra-base hit. In fact, he made all the plays tonight. The Reds didn’t miss Billy Hamilton in CF. Schebler was 1-for-5 with a run scored. Billy Hamilton entered the game as a pinch runner in the 9th after Tucker Barnhart singled. He stole second with two strikes. That’s the best way of using Billy. 

I still don’t like Eugenio Suarez batting 5th. He’s too productive a hitter to bat that low in the lineup. The #5 hitter gets 54 fewer at bats than the #2 hitter over the course of a season. Suarez and Votto each had a walk and a hit. Jose Peraza had two hits and drew an intentional walk. 

Batting with Runners in Scoring Position (2018):

  • Reds: .246/.340/.371
  • MLB: .246/.332/.400

Nick Senzel had his sixth consecutive multi-hit game for Louisville tonight. He’s ready. Of course, the Reds roster management is such there’s nowhere for him to play without changing either the position he’s been playing or one of the current regulars. The Reds are right not to call Senzel up until they are ready to play him every day. That makes this all the more frustrating. The Reds haven’t had positions ready for either of their top two position players (Jesse Winker and Senzel). They need to get this sorted out in the next couple weeks somehow. Sub-optimal rebuilding. 

50 Responses

  1. Roger Garrett

    Lost one we should have won and we need to give you know who a few starts but it may not happen

  2. Dave Roemerman

    Wait, so the whole Matt Harvey reestablishing value and netting a great return at the trade deadline grows less likely by the start? You mean, in fact, we should have been giving the kids a try all year? No one saw this coming, huh?

    Adelman, Feldman, Arroyo. Bailey, Harvey, Gallardo. Take 2017’s misallocated innings and replace the names. Continue to deny development opportunities so we can enter 2019 with uncertainty about who can do what. Rinse, repeat
    The train wreck rattles on.

    • Alex

      Dumb plan from the start. They gave up mes and that is about what a other team would give up. Him and Homer sound like same story. Velocity but no movement, no location. Loud, smoked balls that go for outs. Huge opportunity cost when it continues to take from young guys. Eventually you’ve gotta finally out if they can play. Perpetual rebuild.

    • Jack

      Let’s not forget to mention Wojo, luke Farrell, Deck McGuire and the soon to be Hall of Famer Lisalverto Bonilla all started last year too. Round of applause for that pile of can’t misses.

      • Sliotar

        I will leave it to Chad to take up defending Lisalverto. He loves to drop his name randomly in a tweet and start a firestorm of reaction.

        But, leave Deck McGuire out of this mess (/sarcasm). In 13 IP last year, he posted .3 WAR, better than guys like Wojo (62 IP, .2 WAR) and the legendary Tim Adleman (122 IP, -.4 WAR).

        We won’t even list the stats of that Mentor/Good for The Young Staff Experiment that was Bronson Arroyo, Tour of Duty 2.0. Let’s remember him for the post-game concerts.

        Never lose your sense of humor, Steve. Some nights, the T.S. Recap and comments are better than the game, and this is certainly one of those nights. The headline was hilarious.

        Sub-optimal rebuilding, indeed.

      • Chad Dotson

        I won’t sit here and listen to everyone talk bad about my guy Lisalverto.

  3. Streamer88

    The Harvey trade was a great move. It just didn’t work. Not all gambles pay off. That’s why they’re called—- gambles. The real question is if the Cardinals would’ve done it would he have a 3.00 FIP right now? They snuck 16 win seasons out of Kyle freaking Lohse.

    • Aaron Bradley

      I am gonna disgree. I t wasn’t a “great” move. Like signing Gallardo, it meant taking away innings from a young guy for a washed up has-been in the hopes he has something in the tank to maybe get flipped at the deadline. It worked for Alfredo Simon years ago, and they won’t stop trying, it’s like dumpster diving once you find a good treasure, you’ll be back in the trash again, always looking for another great find. Unfortunately most of the time you end up smelling bad and making a fool of yourself. They did shed some salary and they found Casali to replace Meso so I would call it a wash, and Harvey has been ok but it is not a great move, its a meh move at best.

      • da bear

        I’m with streamer88 – the move could have paid off handsomely, for very little cost, given the lack of productivity from Mesoraco. Low risk, potentially high reward. Didn’t work out as well as hoped, but gave us a chance to get something out of Mez.

        At this point would rather have the starts/innings go to Garrett, Mesoraco, Reed, or Stephenson, or whomever is doing well in AA ball…..but at the very least Harvey has been a distinct upgrade from Homer.

        The bases loaded, no out, 2-1 lead in the 6th is best protected with your best arm. That is the spot Francona uses Andrew Miller (before his injury)….and the Reds should have deploy Iglesias. Results might have been the same or worse, but the probability of holding onto the lead is better using Iglesias than using Lorenzen or any other Reds reliever.

      • greenmtred

        After 6 starts, and coming off of two surgeries, I don’t think the Harvey trade is elegible for postmortems yet. He’s not in the same category as Gallardo or Adelman or Arroyo 2.0. He’s relatively young and was a pitcher with elite, dominant stuff. He may never get it back, but it’s early to conclude that. As for the starts he’s taking from the young guys, yes, it’s an issue. It’s very likely that not enough of Reed, Stephenson, et al will prove to be capable starters, and there’d be a place for Harvey, but that can’t be known unless everybody gets plenty of time to pitch at the MLB level.

      • Hotto4Votto

        I don’t mind the move either. At the time no one was knocking down the door in AAA to come up, none of the Reds starters were setting the world on fire, and Disco wasn’t ready to come back. At this point, you could make an argument that he’s taking starts from Stephenson, and maybe Lopez now, if he keeps pitching well. At the same time the trade deadline is a little more than a month away. See if you can get anything for him. Even if it’s a Clementina for Cingrani type deal (a young lottery ticket type in RK ball).

        The fact is, Mes wasn’t going to get enough playing time to establish anymore value than he had. The value he had was to flip a reclamation project for another reclamation project. If Harvey were to re-establish value the Reds could have squeezed a little more out of him than they could if they had kept Mesoraco. At the same time, the organization could get Mesoraco a better opportunity with former teammates which is a nice thing to do for a guy who’s reportedly been nothing but a stand up guy in the clubhouse.

        Nothing ventured nothing gained.

      • Jeff Reed

        I agree with your comment ‘nothing ventured, nothing gained.’ I think it’s premature to call the Meso/Harvey exchange a failure. Trade time is coming up and let’s see what happens. The lost starts for the young pitchers is a fact but maybe more time in AAA will help them make a solid jump to the Bigs.

    • Aaron Bradley

      Lohse was pretty good for the Reds before going to the Cardinals and he wasn’t signed in the middle of a bad season following 2 years of mediocrity before that (like Harvey). It’s really nothing like the Harvey signing.

  4. Indy Red Man

    Senzel held hitless by the Reds. That sums it up. Riggleman puts Peralta in the game with a 2-1 lead. Cost them the game….big shocker. The ole skip can’t let Peralta’s 1.74 whip get in the way! Back to Senzel…or Dilson Herrera. Do they have a plan for them? If Peraza could catch line drives then I could see where some might think he could be average at some point, but Senzel is special and he needs a place to play!

    • Grand Salami

      Good mention of Dilson. He’s finally healthy and is arguably more MLB ready then Senzel but also completely blocked.

      Someone has to start playing OF ASAP. I say Senzel or Herrera as the young young pups unless one is better at 2nd than Gennett and he’s willing to move outside the diamond.

      • Hotto4Votto

        I agree. The Reds need to find a place for both Senzel and Herrera to play. It would be a shame to waste the return we got for Bruce, especially as he’s finally healthy, because the Reds couldn’t figure out where to play people. Send Senzel to RF, Herrera to 2B, Gennett traded for SP/SS help.

        Roll out a lineup of:
        Winker (LF), Senzel (RF), Votto (1B), Suarez (3B), Schebler (CF), Herrera (2B), Barnhart (C), Peraza (SS), Pitcher.

  5. TurboBuckeye

    The Reds have the talent at the big league and AAA level to be measurably better than they are. The problem is they don’t have a manager or FO in place to properly utilize that talent.

    • greenmtred

      Another problem is that the talent at AAA that is ready to move up happens to play positions occupied by Suarez and Scooter, who are two of the most productive hitters the Reds have, so it’s actually a difficult conundrum, not a simple failure by a simple-minded FO or manager. Somebody gets traded, or somebody learns a new position, which I have to believe is not as easy as our cavalier attitutes toward it would indicate, particularly moving from infield to outfield, or vice-versa. Of course people can and have done it, but it requires different throwing, different running and different quickness.

  6. Old-school

    Lorenzen has pitched multiple innings in 5 of his last 6 outings.

  7. Davy13

    I know that we’re far from being a contender yet at times it feels closer than what it is, because we do have solid to good hitters, bullpen,and prospects that can make a difference.

    Managers may not contribute a big piece of the winning pie in a long season, but they can make contributions to it by putting out a batting lineup that makes sense. Suarez should be batting somewhere in the top 3. That he would get that many fewer at bats makes no sense when he’s arguably our most productive hitter. I’d like to see a lineup order of:
    1. Schleber (I still like to Winker here but why upset his current productivity)
    2. Suarez/Votto
    3. Votto/Suarez (Votto provides more protection here, but either order would be fine)
    4. Gennett
    5. Winker
    6. Barnhart
    7. Duvall
    8. Peraza

    • bouwills

      Peraza is tied for 2nd place in runs scored (34) with Votto by the Reds players. They are both 1 behind Scooter. Peraza is 2nd in stolen bases with 9, which is 2 SB behind Billy. Peraza has only been caught twice while Hamilton has been caught 3 times. Peraza can also bunt. 1) Peraza, 2) Schebler, 3) Votto, 4) Suarez, 5) Gennett, 6) Duvall, 7) Winker, 8) Barnhart. 1 & 2 are interchangeable, 6 & 7 are interchangeable.

      • davy13

        Not bad, but my issue is Peraza’s OBP. Need to be on-base a lot more to be truly effective as a base-stealer (e.g. BillyH). If he’s at the top, who is bunting over so that’s negated. Bottom-line, do you really want Peraza to have more at-bats in a game than Suarez? I don’t think so.

  8. da bear

    In the first inning Votto walked, 1 for 4 total bases.

    Votto did great with Schebler on base, deriving 4 of 6 total bases. It’s not a homer in some other parks (San Diego, Kansas City off the top of my head), a homer in great american small park and many other parks.

    In the 4th inning with runners on 1st and 3rd Votto grounded out. 0 for 8 total bases. End of inning. He wasn’t alone in the futility as Schebler and Barnhart (no business batting second) struck out before Votto.

    In the 7th Votto grounded out, 0 for 4 total possible bases.

    In the 9th Votto struck out after Billy stealing second – 0 for 6 total bases after the steal and a chance to tie the game. Game over.

    To wrap: 5 of 28 total bases. Okay performance….but for someone who has money riding on the Reds, not an ideal result from the guy taking up 1/4 of your payroll.

    I like Votto the person a lot. He’s smart. Maybe too smart for baseball.

    I like the Reds more than any individual player.

    The Pirates were smart to trade away their Votto – Cutch. The Cards were lucky they were outbid by the Angels for Pujols remaining years. The Angels have wasted plenty of money trying to buy their way to success.

    Efficiency in spending resources is paramount for a small market, lower budget team. The Reds should never have signed up Votto for the remainder of his career.

    The Reds are better off with a Zobrist like player at first plus a bunch of leftover money toward a couple decent starters or a starter and a productive outfielder than they are with a boatload of salary tied up in one player, even if it is the OBP monster that is Joey Votto.

    • Ben

      The problem with that is that we got years of “great Votto production” at a great price during the same contract. It’s the nature of long baseball contracts that you’re simply spreading out the cost of a players peak performance over a longer time frame, so you’re going to have some years of lower value to balance out the years of exeptional value.

    • davy13

      Let me see which one to choose Votto vs. Zobrist…you’re on the wrong side of history. You’re overselling Zobrist. If the Reds would’ve hit the jackpot on most of their recent trades, this wouldn’t be discussion.

      I really like Zobrist as a player and as a person. When Zobrist has been on contending teams, he has not been surrounded by “lefover money” players. On the contrary, he’s been the supplemental player to a cornerstone players (e.g. Longoria w/Rays; Rizzo, Bryant w/Cubs).

      I know that hindsight is 20/20, but the issue was not signing Votto in his prime (trending upward) and as a legacy player to build around. The issue was signing Bailey (a B- pitcher at best) to his contract. His money could’ve spread the wealth. Also signing DatDude at an age when his skills are trending downward.

      Many ifs, could’ves, should’ves with the team’s FO decisions, but no regrets keeping Votto whatsoever. He has been the least of the team’s problems. He’s THE GUY you dream to have on your team, like I’m dreaming of Machado right now.

    • Steve Mancuso

      Votto’s contract has been massively worth it. The Reds could never have produced that amount of value with that amount of money in any other way, let alone at one position (which is quite efficient). The Reds have a lot of problems constructing rosters. But Votto and his contract aren’t part of it. Based on free market value, Votto has produced more than $150 million in three years. He’s already produced 2 WAR this year, which is worth almost all of his 2018 contract. Barring injury, he’ll far outproduce what he’s paid again. Talk about inefficient – using Zobrist plus other positions to add up to Votto’s value. Votto has outproduced Zobrist 19 WAR to 7 WAR the past three seasons.

  9. Joey

    This is going to be blasphemy but would the Reds consider trading Senzel in a packaged deal with simsome else and what could a top prospect net in return? Only reason I throw it out is that we have a handful of infielders already. Scooter, Blandino, Dilson. Not to mention others further down the pipeline. Senzel would no doubt bring the biggest return.

    • DHud

      I’m open to about any trade that makes the team better. The problem with Senzel is how are you going to make the team better by trading him? He’s one of the top position prospects in the league, so realistically you’re not getting somebody better back. You could swap him for a top 10 in all of baseball pitching prospect, but pitching prospects are historically less predictable than position players. There is so much inherent risk with pitching prospects, are you willing to bet Senzel that whoever you trade for will pan out??

    • greenmtred

      Senzel has an unresolved and possibly serious health issue that has not been kept secret. Scooter has been hitting well for long enough that it’s hard to say it’s a fluke. It’s not clear at all that Senzel brings the biggest return.

  10. doofus

    With the circus-like act between Ownership/FO, why would any talented FA player want to come to Cincinnati?

    • Jeff Reed

      I’m sure many talented free agent’s would want to come to Cincy if the Red’s pay market rate and a position is available. Being a sparkplug in getting the Reds into contention would be a career positive for any player.

  11. Den

    Interesting how there is so much love for an unproven player in the minors who has had back to back seasons with the same reoccurring health issue yet we have a good talented 28 year old proven product on the major league level and we can’t trade him away fast enough…

    • BigRedMike

      Yankees should be trading Torres Andujar Judge Sanchez
      Not sure why the Red Sox have gone with Betts Boegarts Benetendi
      The majority of the Cubs starting line up is under 28 years old
      Nationals have a 19 year old playing
      Braves are being led by players under 22 years old

      The Reds should buck the trend and go for older players though. The current roster is producing amazing results, should extend the starting 8 and keep this amazing core together

      • George

        “current roster is producing amazing results” YEP!!!

    • Hotto4Votto

      Well they can’t be proven until they’ve been given a chance. Gennett wasn’t who he is now until his 4th year in the majors, in fact he was cut from his former team just before coming to the Reds. There’s a solid track record of hitting in the minors for both Senzel and Herrera. There’s good reason to believe that their skills are projectable and transferrable to MLB. There’s a reason both are/were high ranking prospects in all of MLB.

      But beyond the differences between prospects and established players here are a few reasons to consider why trading Gennett would be beneficial.

      1. Age. It is a fact that players begin to decline in production as they progress through the aging curve. Right now Gennett is at the peak of the curve, meaning his production is likely to decrease from here out. It may not be a drastic fall, especially at first, but it will happen unless he’s an outlier like Joe Morgan. So unless we’re ready to declare Gennett is equal to Morgan let’s agree he’s likely to show some decline moving forward. Meanwhile Senzel is about to turn 23, and Herrera will play this entire season at age 24. Both should continue to improve for the next 4-5 years.

      2. Contracts. Gennett is controlled via arbitration through 2019. Herrera has less than a year’s service time at this point, meaning at least 5 more seasons of control. Senzel if he were to come up this year would still have 6 more seasons of control after this year. Gennett will cost more next season than the next 3, maybe 4, seasons combined of Herrera and Senzel. If you were to extend Gennett the control would obviously change, but the price difference would be big. The conservative estimates I’ve seen are a 4 year/$40m-$50m extension. During those 4 seasons Senzel and Herrera’s combined salary is probably between $10m-$15m. That money could be spent to bring in help at other areas (SP please).

      3. Trade Value. Established players have more trade value than prospects because they are established. That’s why it takes multiple prospects to acquire an established starter. Prospects that are near ready come with more certainty/value, but still not equal in value when it comes to trades. Most teams trading for established players are doing so with the intention of contending within a window. Prospects don’t have as much value then because development and adjustment typically takes time. Prospects are more valuable to non-competing clubs because of their cost controlled future years. These teams have time to allow prospects to develop. The Reds fall into the latter group and should value high level prospects more so than established veterans on short term deals.

      4. The Reds competitive window. The Reds aren’t likely to truly compete next season in the NL Central. Next season is Gennett’s last year of control unless extended. Senzel and Herrera should be around into the next competitive window. Even if extended does keeping Gennett actually help any of the Reds deficient areas? He’s never likely to be a positive on defense, even in LF. He would essentially relegate Winker, another top prospect that needs more, consistent playing time to establish himself, to a bench role. It opens up a spot for either Senzel or Herrera, but does nothing to address SP, SS, CF holes. Because Gennett holds more trade value, the Reds are likely to maximize a return for Gennett over a trade of prospects. Because Gennett would be more expensive, it would take money away from spending on upgrades. Holding onto Gennett in the short term doesn’t help address any of the Reds team needs in CF, SS, SP. Extending him takes away money and a trade chip from being able to address those needs.

      Keeping/extending Gennett means spending more money, on a player likely to show some decline, and wasting a valuable trade chip in the process. It opens up a spot for one of Senzel/Herrera but takes away a spot for Winker. It would be nice to have Gennett’s bat in the lineup but it likely wouldn’t move the needle if SS, CF, and SP aren’t addressed. The Reds would simply have less means to do so.

      Trading Gennett means addressing an area of need via trade market, means getting young guys (Winker, Herrera, Senzel) more opportunities to establish themselves for the next competitive Reds team. It means having less money tied up into players, and that money can be spent on upgrades in areas of need.

  12. Mason Red

    It blows my mind the continued talk of making trades….especially trading players who supposedly are the “foundation” of the future…for more prospects. The whole idea of continuing to throw something(players)against the wall in hopes of something sticking isn’t the way to bring success to this franchise. We should be at the point where prospects are traded for veterans to fill in the holes. Not the other way around.

    • Bill

      The “foundation” would consist of those with the team byond 2020. Votto, Suarez, Barnhart are on that list. Iglesias could be added to that list.
      Winker, Schebler, and Peraza are candidates for that list, along with about 10 pitchers. Hamilton, Gennett, Bailey, Harvey and any of the bench pieces should all have For Sale signs hanging from them. If you consider any of those guys to be part of the foundation of the Reds there is not much hope

  13. Old-school

    With Homer still owed 30 million after this season and the Cards/ Brewers/ and Cubs all solid baseball teams, it’s hard to see the Reds competing in 2019.

    Zach Cozart is hitting .215. His power has fallen off precipitously with an ISO half of last year. His OBP is .296.He turns 33 in August and just went on the DL with a left shoulder injury. He is owed $30 million through 2020.

    The reds must continue the youth movement and get younger. Gennett has been wonderful but he is exactly the kind of player you trade in a rebuild. He has peaked as a player, he is below avg defensively and Nick Senzel is ready waiting to take his spot. Much like Cozart- you don’t commit to paying him for declining seasons after age 30 based on what he did in 2017/18. Even if he has a great second half of 2018 and 2019, it won’t make the Reds win now.

    The Reds need to get younger and target 2020. Make some trade deadline deals and add talent at the upper levels of the minors. Clear some spots in the rotation and in the field. Senzel/ Trammell / and India arent just the next prospects. They are clearly special players with all the tools who can join Suarez as all around cornerstone players in 2020+. Let the pitching sorting continue but commit to getting younger.

    • Den

      If the plan is to get “younger” then why are we wasting draft pick on college players. Let’s go get the top players playing in this year’s little league WS, I mean swoop in and get yourself a strong 12 year old and lock him into a 10 year deal to have him wrapped up in those prime young years…

  14. George

    Homer Bailey, “Placed on 10-day DL on June 2; shut down June 15 after suffering setback on Triple-A rehab assignment.”

    Why is it that it takes a failed AAA start for the Reds crack medical team to suddenly discover that the “knee” injury is worse than originally thought?

    Why is it that the updated injury report was posted by MLB @ 3:30pm, reported during the Reds game (around 8pm) as a breaking news update by Jim Day?
    Why do I think that the 30-day DL is next?

    Why don’t I trust the Reds Mgt.? (I guess it is cheaper to have the insurance policy pay Homer than to have the money come out of the Reds operating account.)

    Shame on me for not believing in the Reds Mgmt. Shame, Shame 😊

    • Bill

      From what I have read Homer is the one who decided to put himself back on the disabled list. I am not sure management gets the blame in this one. Also I don’t think the insurance policies pay much at all so even if they have one for Homer it is probably not paying anything significant for a 10 day DL stint and they can’t just put a guy on the DL with no injury and collect the insurance money

  15. sezwhom

    His fastball was around 95 mph, which is good.

    I saw 97 on the gun a couple of times. I enjoy watching Harvey pitch and have not problem with the Reds taking a flyer on him. However, it is time to cut ties with Peralta. Loved Riggleman taking him out right after HBP. Send a message. Gotta give credit to Kuhl. He hard slider was filthy to Scheb and Tucker.

  16. Eddiek957

    If Riggleman pulled Harvey after the fifth we would all have been more pleased. Scooter hopefully will have a contender in need for his skills. I’d like to see a young arm forces his way in

  17. WVRedlegs

    Bennett gave the Pirates a free run early. Peralta loaded the bases with a free pass HBP. If nobody on 3rd Pirates don’t score go ahead run. Lorenzen couldn’t hold the lead. Lo didn’t pitch badly, he just didn’t get the job done by putting out the fire.
    Reds 2B defense and bullpen gave this one away.

  18. Sweendog

    So where is Senzel going to play? You mean one of the higher rated prospects in the minors isn’t good enough to play for one of the worst teams in the league? If he’s not good enough now, he certainly woulxnt be playing for a team 10 games above .500.

    Everyone talks about the Reds always put in the hole with their pitching, but to be put in the hole, the offense can’t wait until the 7, 8, and 9th innings to start scoring.

  19. Steve Schoenbaechler

    First, there’s no need to move Senzel up. It’s not like he’s going to be the breath of fresh air this team needs and going to lead us to a pennant. This team needs pitching. Second, if anywhere, it would be SS, which I would have no problem with. But, then, what about Peraza and the others?

    Now, I will agree that Senzel is ready. And, I agree that the Reds could move him up now. I would hope the Reds are looking for trade bait. Lack of better word, Gennett’s and Suarez’s trade value couldn’t be any higher. If you sit them down right now for Senzel, their trade value plummets.

    So, make a trade to make a hole for Senzel to come into. Until then, at best, get Senzel to play a hole we need, like OF or P, if anything.

    It still drives me nuts that anyone is even talking about sending Homer to the bullpen. Sending $15+ to the bullpen, and he isn’t even a closer. We should never have extended him. Not for that kind of money. Leake is cheaper right now than Homer, winning more than Homer, actually playing, can actually hit and run. Honestly, I’d DFA Homer right now.