The Short Version: The Reds clawed back from a 5-2 deficit to tie the game in the bottom of the ninth, and Jesse Winker walked it off in the bottom of the 13th. Reds win!

Final — 13 innings R H E
Colorado Rockies (32-30) 5 13 0
Cincinnati Reds (22-41) 7 10 1
W: Floro (2-1) L: Rusin (0-2)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score

The Good
–Jesse Winker entered the game in the eighth inning as a pinch-hitter for Adam Duvall. He went 3 for 3, including a game-winning walkoff two-run homer in the bottom of the 13th inning. Have a day, young man!

–Hitting leadoff today, Scott Schebler went 3 for 6 with a double, a run scored, and an RBI.

–Dylan Floro pitched three scoreless innings to pick up the win.

–Michael Lorenzen pinch-hit for Tyler Mahle, and he delivered a single. But it’s even better than that; the single set a Reds record for exit velocity. Shall I remind you that Michael Lorenzen is a pitcher?

–Wandy Peralta pitched a perfect inning, which was nice to see. Jared Hughes pitched a scoreless ninth. Raisel Iglesias struck out the side in a dazzling tenth-inning appearance.

The Bad
–Amir Garrett pitched one bad inning and one good inning. His final line: 2 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 2 K.

–Reds defense continues to be very shaky. Today, it was Alex Blandino with a throwing error.

–The Reds had a chance to walk off the game in each the 10th and 11th innings, but each frame ended in a double play (Eugenio Suarez, Jose Peraza).

Not-So-Random Thoughts
–The Reds were on the verge of a five-game losing streak, but they kept battling. That was a fun win.

–Not good and not bad: Tyler Mahle pitched five innings, allowing 3 runs (2 earned) on six hits and two walks. He struck out six and hit one batter. Mahle threw 96 pitches in those five inning. Not pitch efficient 5 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 6 SO, 1 HB. 96 pitches, 65 strikes

–Mahle surrendered a run in the first inning, but the Reds drew even in the second. Adam Duvall singled with one out and the immortal Curt Casali doubled him home.

–By the fifth inning, the Reds were down 3-1, but Cincinnati scored when pinch-hitter Michael Lorenzen singled to left with one away; he was erased on a Billy Hamilton fielder’s choice, but Hamilton scored when Scott Schebler doubled to deep left.

–By the time the eighth inning rolled around, the Reds were losing 5-2, but they staged a little rally. Hamilton walked to lead off the inning, then Schebler singled and Scooter Gennett walked to load the bases. Joey Votto grounded out, scoring one run, then Eugenio Suarez hit into a fielder’s choice — and Scooter did a good job extending a rundown that allowed Geno to advance to second — that scored another, making the score 5-4.

When Jesse Winker delivered a pinch-hit single, the Reds nearly tied the game, but Suarez was thrown out at home. Inexplicably, Suarez didn’t slide; he may have been safe if he had.

–The Reds tied it in the bottom of the ninth. Casali was hit by a pitch and, one out later, Jose Peraza singled. The runners advanced to second and third on a wild pitch, but Billy Hamilton had one of the worst at-bats you’re likely to see. With two outs, Rockies closer Wade Davis uncorked another wild pitch, scoring Casali and tying the game.

–In a season like this one, we’ll savor the sweet moments. The Cardinals come into town tomorrow. Matt Harvey will toe the rubber for the hometown Redlegs.

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58 Responses

  1. CI3J

    Well well! I was wondering what was taking so long for the recap to show up after I turned the game off in disgust in the 8th inning. The ol’ Redlegs pulled a surprise.

    Really wonder what to do with Michael Lorenzen. He has too much baseball talent to not be useful, somehow, but I don’t trust this Reds front office to figure out how to get the most out of him.

    And yes, nice to see Winker with the walkoff bomb! Hopefully this shot of confidence is the sign of him turning the corner.

    • Aaron Bradley

      Lorenzen likes to lift weights, he looks nothing like a pitcher with those big arms, and he keeps breaking down as a pitcher. Seem slate to make an offensive player out of him, but that prob should have been done yrs ago when it was obvious the guy likes to buff out. I know of no pitchers that have muscular arms and shoulders like this, I think it even hurts the throwing motion over hand to have so much muscle mass.

      • Ben

        He’s not so big that he can’t be flexible, as long as it’s part of his training routine. Big (young) guys usually get stiff because they don’t devote time to stretching and agility.

      • Grand Salami

        It’s probably 5 years old but you can find a YouTube vid of his training. It’s a lot more intelligent strength training than you one might think seeing him once and think of John Rocket or someone.

      • Aaron Bradley

        I say designate his role as long reliever and pinch hitter, that is certainly a role needed, we have abunch of extra games every year where a guy like this makes the difference.

  2. Old-school

    Mahle is 23 and basically skipped AAA. Hes 2-3 years younger than the Castillo/Stephenson/Garrett/ Reed crew. He’s doing a solid job when considering his youth and inexperience.

    Jesse Winker is a rookie too. Give him 1000 at bats and put him in LF every day and lead off and then see how things look at the end of 2019.

    Schebler looks ok in CF and give him.anothe 600 PA.

    The Reds need power . Their team ISO is at the bottom of MLB. Play Winker and Schebler every day and see what happens. Winker hit 7 home runs in less than 200 PA last year.

    The starting pitching is the worst in baseball- WAR, Era,FIP.
    Harvey and Homer aren’t part of the future.
    Both need out of the rotation permanently by the all star game.

    • David

      Gary Nolan won 18 games as a starter in 1970 at the age of 23. Don Gullett won 16 games as a starter with the Reds in 1971 (and an ERA under 3).

      These guys have the ability to pitch winning baseball, but they
      1) walk too many guys
      2) pitch from behind in the count too many times.

      • Ben

        The same was true for Johnny Cueto for his first two years and 350 innings. He had to develop a third plus pitch, just like Romano and Finnegan need to. Right now those guys have to nibble too much because they’re both 85% fastball-slider.

        Aaron Harang was an absolute monster in a short rise thru the minors and it took him 2+ seasons and over 200 innings to figure it out.

      • Dewey Roberts

        The Reds do not have any pitchers of the caliber of Nolan or Gullett. Nolan was the best young pitcher I ever saw. He was a Hall of Fame type player if his arm had held up. He came to spring camp after his rookie season and tried to overpower the opposition. He had an army injury in spring and did not start the season. He never really recovered from that despite winning 18 games in 1970 and having 3-4 other good seasons. Nolan was better than any pitcher the Reds have had in the 48 years since that 1970 season. Gullett was great also and was derailed by arm troubles with the Yankees. None of the present players in the entire Reds system are as good as those two pitchers.

      • Gonzo Reds

        I think Jose Rijo was better than Nolan and we also had Tom Seaver for a few years.

      • Dewey Roberts

        I was talking about Nolan’s talent if he had not gotten injured. He had Hall of Fame talent. To pitch the way he did at age 19, 20, 21, 22, etc. was very rare.
        I will agree about Tom Seaver. I don’t agree that Jose Rijo was better. Nolan hurt his arm early in his career (second season and then again a few years later) but he still put together seasons where he went 18-7, 15-5, 15-9, 15-9. The last two seasons were after he was out of baseball for two years. Compare those records to Homer Bailey’s attempted comeback. If Homer was on pace for a 15-9 record this year he would be the toast of the town.
        I am not sure if you are old enough to remember Nolan, but I am. I have seen all the Reds pitchers since 1961. So let me qualify things a little better this time. Gary Nolan is the best home grown pitcher I have ever seen in a Reds uniform. If he had not hurt his arm at age 19-20, he would be in the Hall of Fame. The next best homegrown pitcher for the Reds was Don Gullett. The next best was Johnny Cueto. Those are my opinions. But Nolan was a young phenom. The Reds might never have another pitcher like him.

      • Dewey Roberts

        Were you a fan in 1968-1977? I go with Nolan. Check out his game by game records.

    • jim t

      Old School like you I certainly do not think Billy Hamilton is the answer in CF but neither is Schebler. He is a RF’er. I have no issue turning Hamilton into a pinch runner/defensive replacement but Schebler is not a passable CF’er. Hopefully Taylar Trammen or Jose Siri will fill that role in the next couple of years.

      Jesse Winker is a bad LF’er. He will hit well enough to warrant everyday playing consideration but if he wants to be a part of the nex5t contending reds team he needs to work on his fielding.

  3. jonrox

    Riggelman knows what he’s doing. Can’t go 3/3 off the bench if you’re a starter. /RollsafeMeme

    • Aaron Bradley

      Reflection is good for the soul. It’s a long season. Winker is going to get plenty of playing time, probably more than he has ever had in his career. I don’t think we need to bust out the pitch forks over Winker. Why Billy is being run out there every day is more of a question and of course directly affects Winker’s playing time. I am tired of Billy ball, I really am. We have proven we don’t need speed at top of order to score when we have guys in the middle that can slug. Whatever Billy provides on defense is not enough to compensate for his offensive feebleness. At least Duvall hits homers, I can live with his low average though it would be nice if it gets to the 250s.

      • Ben

        I agree. Duvall is Gold Glove caliber and he has better on-base and power than Billy. They both need to go in the next 12 months, tho.

      • greenmtred

        Billy’s role should be what you describe, but I note that his speed is not employed at the top of the order: He almost always bats ninth, for some time now.

  4. David

    That Winker! Either bench him or trade him. He can’t tote Billy Hamilton;s glove!
    /sarc off

    Really, great win for the Reds. Maybe the only one they have on this homestand.

    The upside is that the Cardinals don’t hit as well as the Rockies.
    The downside is that the Cardinals pitching is better.

    There is some talent on this team, but the single thing that kills them is their starting pitching. Actually, Mahle wasn’t TERRIBLE today, just not shutdown good. 2 earned runs in 5 innings.
    If we got six innings of two run baseball from each starter, this team would start to win some games.

    He needs to go deeper into the game, and be more pitch efficient. Like he doesn’t know that, like Danny Darwin hasn’t preached this to them. The key is learning HOW to do it.

    • Jim Walker

      Pitch efficiency, game longevity, going deeper whatever a person chooses to call it, is key. I understand that the trend is toward 5-6 inning starters; but, I’d bet dollars against donuts that teams which come up with at least 3 starting guys who routinely push into and sometimes through the 7th inning are the teams which will have the most success. Why? Because those extra innings from the starters preserve a 5 man bench (maybe even 6 in the DH league) via requiring fewer and also keep the relievers fresher over time.

    • Jim Walker

      Actually the guy who worries me a lot in the area of game longevity is Luis Castillo. He is 25 and half years old and seems to hit a wall in the 6th inning virtually every time out. It is almost like a switch gets thrown. Sixth inning and he is out of gas, at times with a pitch count which doesn’t seem to merit that being the case.

      • David

        Castillo has enough to be successful. He just has to be able to locate consistently, and trust his change-up. He hits a wall because he has too many high effort innings too close together.

        He has to be able to throw strikes and have some innings where he isn’t making a really high effort. He has to be able to locate and be pitch efficient.

      • Old-school

        The 6 th inning is the second highest scoring inning in MLB this year. It’s not just Castillo or Mahle and the Reds. Hitters are really good and elite pitchers like Max scherzer and Justin Verlander and Luis Severino are expensive or very very hard to find.

        The avg number of pitchers/ game/team is at an all time high. ~4.3. Josh Hader is in the top 10 in pitching WAR in the NL. The era of the super reliever stopper is here.

        Finding young inexpensive pitching is really hard. The braves seem to be ahead of the curve….again. The Yankees lost a pitcher to TJ this week. They will just trade for Jacob De Grom.

      • Jim Walker

        Buster Onley has taken a major of look at the ballooning number of pitchers used per game and decided that it is the problem and not a symptom. Here’s the link

        Basically Olney is trying to start the discussion by taking the position that except for injury and special (blow out) situations, each team should be limited to no more than 4 pitchers in a 9 inning game. The piece is a very detailed thought out piece.

    • eric3287

      A first inning error caused Mahle to throw 10 more pitches in that inning than he would have other wise. Without that error, he’s at 86 pitches after 5 and maybe comes back out for the 6th.

  5. docproctor

    Scott Schebler is now hitting .277/.348.
    Jesse Winker is now hitting .263/.368.
    Hamilton and Duvall are both under .200/.285.
    Can we please, please be done with the outfield rotation?
    Billy and Duvall can switch off games and be used as late-inning defensive replacements.

    • Darrin

      The whole thing makes absolutely no sense. Hard to build trade value for players nobody wants.

  6. Darrin

    Hamilton really has some ugly at-bats these days

  7. JR

    Happy for the Fonz. This kid needs to play. Nice job by Floro today, he’s been doing an awesome job for the Reds.

  8. Jack

    Schebler and Winker need to play every day to see what they can provide for 2021. And judging by Hamilton’s swinging strikeout in the 9th , Schebler and Winker should never be sitting . Hamilton is completely overmatched at the plate . That swing was embarrassing.

  9. Seat101

    The bullpen has been worked like a rented mule.

    I believe we’re going to have to put some pitchers on the interstate.

    Who goes north? Who goes south?

  10. cfd3000

    Hamilton looks so overmatched, and he strikes out about 308% of the time, usually looking helpless when he does. Please please please can he be a pinch running specialist and late inning defensive replacement? Let Winker and Schebler play every day. Nice win by the Reds but Billy should only start in games where I’m asleep by the fifth inning.

  11. WVRedlegs

    It was nice to get Iglesias in the game to display his wares before the Rockies. Three up and three down with 3 K is the way to do it. Rockies bullpen has its issues. They spent $106MM on three relievers with each a 3 year contract. Davis is good, but the other 2 have some problems. Ottavino is now hurt with a lat issue which will take some time to heal. They need some help.
    They can have Raisel, but it should cost them SS Brendan Rodgers and RHP Jon Duplantier.

    • Jim Walker

      How do you rate the chances the Reds will actually be able to make any significant deals in the run up to the deadline? They seem to have a history of not being able to get their ducks lined up against the deadline. And now with Krall officially the GM and Walt still clearly hanging around there would seem to be an added level of internal discussion/ negotiation plus depending on the money and/or persons involved, the Big Guy has to sign off too.

      • jessecuster44

        Reds wont trade away any fan favorites. It might affect attendance!

      • David

        Okay, is that sarcasm? Lance McAllister (WLW) suggested that the Reds make kids free admission the rest of the year, to bring in their parents and boost attendance. I mean, the Reds are going to lose 100 games, and their attendance is turrible.

        Would it hurt? It would put people in the seats, and more business for vendors, etc.

        Probably some better numbers this weekend, as a bunch of Cardinal’s fans will drive up from St. Louis to watch the games.

      • Mike Adams

        Yes, it would hurt. There would be dead bodies all over GABP, expired from boredom or extreme frustration.

      • jim t

        Who do you want then to trade??? Who would give you anything of value for Duvall or Hamilton??? You think other organizations don’t know these guys are not good players?

      • WVRedlegs

        The other teams also know that these players do have some value to them that might be what they are looking for. Duvall brings good defense and power and some numbers suggest he could rebound with just a little luck. Hamilton brings good defense and baserunning. What you seem to forget is that these players don’t have to be main cogs in the machine of a contender like they are viewed on the Reds. They just have to be a piece of the 25 piece puzzle that team is putting together. If what these players bring to the table is what another team is lacking and looking for, they have value. Their contracts also have some value to an obtaining team. And they can also be paired up with something else to increase value. You act like these players are just dog turds waiting for somebody to step on them. Ridiculous outlook.

      • jim t

        WVREDLEGS ridiculous or realistic? As baseball is played now days carrying a specialist on the bench that can pinch run and play defense is ridiculous. Teams are carrying 12 and sometimes 13 pitchers. The value for Hamiliton is almost nil. Duvall has hit 30 homers and drove in a 100 runs. His back of the baseball card suggest he falls off dramatically as the season wears on. Quite probably due to health reason. Both players are reaching arbitration eligibility. Would you offer either one Arbritation or release them? If you release them why would someone trade for them? Their value is minimal. Doesn’t mean they are dog turds.

      • Shchi Cossack

        During the 162 game regular season, you are correct JimT, but the post season is a different game. During the post season, every win and every loss is crucial. Every run is crucial. There are built in off days during every series and between series. No team needs 5 starting pitchers and often don’t need 4 starting pitchers. Elite relievers are available for every game, so the role of middle relievers is minimized.

        Every team needs pinch hitters who can drive themselves in. Simple pinch running is commonly utilized and having an offensive weapon as a pinch runner becomes a real bonus, not to mention an elite defensive replacement. Teams are only paying a prorated portion of a player’s salary. Both Duvall and especially Hamilton will have a higher value at the trade deadline for serious contenders, just like relievers have a higher value art the trade deadine for serious contenders. It’s the short-term bang for the buck, but it costs prospects.

      • George

        You did mean “Bob C.” favorites, right. 🙂

      • greenmtred

        And God knows, we can’t risk that! Were there 20 people in the stands when Winker hit the walk-off? The other 250 had left by then.

      • Nickey Vee

        They’d be foolish to keep Iggy and they must know it. You don’t need a shutdown closer when you’re going to lose 100 games anyway, and that’s just the sort of player that contenders are looking to grab at the deadline. Unless he flatlines between now and then, they must be aware that he’s the best trade bait on the ballclub.

      • WVRedlegs

        Maybe 50/50. Can they walk and chew gum at the same time?
        They have to start fine tuning the roster for 2019. The sorting and evaluations for many, not all, should be done soon. They have to start doing something tangible the fans can see to start regaining some confidence with he fan base and the roster is the best place to do that. It is imperative the Reds get a jump on the other teams, especially the ones now entering the rebuild phase. Baltimore, Texas, and Kansas City all have players to move to get their rebuilds underway. Those teams could flood and dilute the trade market between the all-star break and the deadline. I don’t want to hear come August 1,”oh, but the market just wasn’t there for us”, and that will just bring more standing pat. Once the front office gets their draftees signed and assigned to minor league roster, they need to turn their attention to trading. It is time to start separating the wheat from the chaff. Start thinning the herd. Duvall, Hamilton, Peraza, Harvey and maybe a couple of young pitchers. And if the reliever market gets crazy out of hand again this year, they should capitalize on that, too.
        Getting started on the 2019 roster should not wait until the off-season. A good bit of work on that could be accomplished before the deadline. But it is the Reds front office we are talking about.

    • WVRedlegs

      Oops. I made a mistake. I was looking at the systems or Colorado and Arizona yesterday. Rodgers of course is in the Rockies system, but Duplantier is in Arizona’s system. Duplantier would be the starting point if it was Arizona, and he would be a great get. Rodgers and OF Sam Hilliard get the conversation started wit the Rockies.
      Does Iglesias fit for Arizona with Boxberger and Bradley at the end of their bullpen? He could as Boxberger has blown a couple of saves recently. Boxberger a free agent after next season, too. The Diamondbacks would have one stellar bullpen.

  12. james garrett

    I still believe that our young pitchers will develop especially Mahle and Castillo.They are 5 inning guys right now and are just learning at the big league level.Get Bob up here and let him start the rest of the year and we will see where they fit for 2019.Billy’s hitting is worse then its ever been so he needs to set and lets see what others can do playing centerfield.Peraza needs to be sent down to work on his plate discipline and to get rid of his slapping at the ball.Kid has pop and if he could learn to use it and take a walk then he is a keeper for sure.He hasn’t learned either in the big leagues so after two years he needs to be sent down.They are the two weak links in this offense and replacing them makes us much better offensively and could help our young guys to relax on the mound some.Nobody likes to pitch in GABP and could you imagine how it would be for young guys learning to pitch to do it here.Imagine if Bob has all of the money in the world and could compete with the rich for a top starter.Do you think he would come to Cincy?We must develop our own pitchers and pay for bats if we can’t develop them.The Cubs developed bats and bought pitching and could do both because they have the cash.

    • Jim Walker

      I like Mahle’s chances of developing more longevity better than Castillo’s because of their relative ages, Castillo 25yr ~6m versus Mahle 23yr ~8m.

      If Castillo is going to develop better longevity, it should be happening now; and, there are few if any signs of progress on this front by him. Actually has regressed from right at a 6 inning pitcher in 2017 to less than 5.1 innings per game so far this year. Crazy as it might sound now, if he doesn’t pick up more longevity over the next year or so, he could end up being a lights out closer somewhere.

  13. Indy Red Man

    WInker sure turned around some negativity pretty quickly! They need to stick Winker in a corner OF spot and Schebler in CF and just run with it! Scooter in LF to bring in Senzel and Duvall as the lefty platoon for Winker or to give somebody a day off. Billy/Homer need to hit the highway and its addition by subtraction so the return (if any) isn’t important. That ship has sailed.

    Lorenzen too! Put him in the rotation and bat him 6th or something? Let him play some outfield in winter ball and see if he can hit. They have a real chance at another Ohtani but they have to give him a shot! How is continuing to do what they’re already doing working out?

    • Jim t

      They need to find a CF’er. No way as a pitcher on this team would I be happy with Schebler in CF. I watch every game and the amount of Balls that Winker can’t get to or Schebler would not get to in CF is very apparent. Winker needs to turn himself into a at least adequate LF’er. Hopefully he is getting that wake up call. Duvall is a good RHanded bat and defender off the bench and Billy should be removed or demoted. Homer is a sunk cost and should be released.

      • Indy Red Man

        Didn’t the Cubs win the WS with Dexter Fowler in CF? He’s pretty bad defensively. Schebler in CF would be more of a necessity right now, but he’s not that bad. I’ve seen a few mentions of the Reds throwing Homer-money at AJ Pollock but he’s always hurt? We need a right-handed hitting power option and its easier to find a corner outfielder. Perhaps they could find a cheap Drew Stubbs type to be a backup in CF and defensive replacement. Stubbs always hit lefties pretty well. Lorenzen as a platoon CF’er? Who knows?

      • jim t

        Necessary for what? To still finish in last place. Indy he is very bad. His range is very limited. I saw at least two balls yesterday he had no chance of getting. I put him in RF and leave him alone. Winker goes to LF with the understanding that his defense is what is holding him back. Duvall is a RHanded hitting bench bat that fills on for The lefties on occasion. Billy stays in CF until the season is over or a replacement is found at the deadline. After the season he is released if no deal is made. Quite honestly the reds have so many holes. If I’m them I try to find at least one starter that can go 6 innings. Wasting innings on Bailey or Harvey is the worst thing this team can do. Neither would bring you a bag of balls back in a trade from a true contender. I’ll ask you if you are in a pennant race would you acquire Harvey as your piece to get you over the top???

    • Jim Walker

      Much as I have been on the bandwagon to see what Lorenzen could do as a position player, I think it is a bit of a stretch to see him as in the Ohtani class.

      To begin, Ohtani doesn’t have to play in field to get his AB’s, he is a DH when not pitching. I think that’s a huge difference in wear and tear as opposed to playing in field and also starting every 5th day as a pitcher.

      Then there is the question of Lorenzen’s skills set. As far as I have been able to find in my research, every organization but the Reds projected ML as outfielder only and not as a pitcher. He was seen as a late second to early third round pick in that role with a pretty sure shot to make MLB as no worse than a 4th OF.The Reds obviously had concerns that he would be off the board when they picked in the second round which was to be the #67 overall because they used their supplemental 1st round, #38 overall, pick to take him. That works out to good, definitely worth a look, but not Ohtani class.

      However the wildcard is the body building work ML has done. If he could consistently make anything approaching the type of contact he made yesterday obviously that’s a game changer.

  14. Shchi Cossack

    Ah, after watching a game the Old Cossack is back …temporarily. The weekday day game enabled the Old Cossack to squeeze in a game while Mrs. Cossack was otherwise occupied.

    Duvall (218 PA / 1622 PA), Hamilton (214 PA / 2394 PA) Winker (201 PA / 338 PA) & Schebler (178 PA / 1031 PA).

    No question that Winker stunk up the diamond during May, to the tune of a .174/.278/.246 slash combined with marginal LF defense, poor RF defense and marginal speed. Please let Riggleman or Krall or DW or WJ or BC (or whoever is making decisions for the Reds baseball ops) get a pair or at least some modicum of sense and realize that Hamilton and Duvall are who they are and will not provide more results than they ‘ve already demonstrated and both are in decline. They are not the answer as starting OF options this season or any future season. Please quit embarrassing the Reds organization and history.

    Every season, Votto has a bad month during the 1st third of the season and his results stink. Every year the Votto naysayers come crawling out of the gutters proclaiming Votto’s career over. One stinkin month for Winker and the same thing happens. Anyone who claims to know how Winker will develop and how he will produce at the MLB level is a fool and blowhard. No one knows and the only way to find out is to let him play and let him succeed or fail at the MLB level.

    The really good takeaway from yesterday’s game was when Riggleman pinch hit Winker for Duvall in a high leverage situation and watching Winker produce. Let’s just hope that situation represented a change and not just a whim.

    Another very good takeaway from yesterday’s game was pinch hitting Lorenzen. More of those opportunities please. Take advantage of the players the Reds have who might actually be able to produce. The Reds have 3 more seasons of control for Lorenzen. Is Lorenzen the best option for CF on the Reds 25-man roster? He’s put up a .600+ OPS in very limited opportunities over 4 seasons and that’s better than Hamilton can produce while starting in CF and nearly as good as Duvall is producing while starting. Could Lorenzen reprise his hybrid role as a CF/RP from college? Lorenzen represents another RH bat option in the lineup. Could he produce a .700 or higher OPS with regular playing time? In 3 seasons, the Reds wave of OF prospects are going to be banging on the door, if they develop successfully in the upper minors. Of course the Reds have to actually promote them to the upper minors to find out.

    With Suarez finally reaching qualifying status, the Reds have 2 of the top 10 OPS in the NL and 3 of the top 15 OPS in the NL. Could Schebler become a top 15 or top 30 OPS in the NL? Could Winker become a top 15 or top 30 OPS in the NL? The only way to find out is to play them regularly.

    Has anyone seen anything from Romano this season to suggest that he is capable of becoming a successful MLB starter? I’m all for giving a pitcher every opportunity to start before making a decision that he simply can’t start at the MLB level, but I’ve seen enough to move Romano to a bullpen role permanently. Disco, Castillo and Mahle look like possibilities for the starting rotation and Harvey will continue to start until after the all star break, but that leaves an open starting position now and two open starting positions sometime after the all star break.

    Line up the top 6 OBP or top 6 OPS from the position players on the 25-man roster and those are 6 of the 8 starting position players. Find positions for those 6 players to start every game and see how they shake out. They do not include Duvall or Hamilton or Peraza, but that leaves 2 open positions for other players until Senzel forces the issue and a position becomes available for Senzel on the 25-man roster.

    Is it time to get Suarez back in the #2 hole? Is it past time for the Reds to force the issue and get Duvall playing time in RF when he plays?

    • Indy Red Man

      I suggest a lot of stuff and most of it isn’t well thought out, but I threw out Schebler as the leadoff man last year. Sort of a Charlie Blackmon lite in a perfect world. Atleast he could score from 2nd on 2-out singles unlike Winker. If Peraza was batting 9th and got on then Schebler would have that hole at 1B as well! Winker is less likely to pull the ball there.

      Its really not rocket science. Get the most at-bats out of your better hitters and quit trying to force a square peg into a round hole (Billy-leadoff for example).

  15. Shchi Cossack

    Well Riggleman seems to have latched onto a lineup combination he likes…

    1. Scott Schebler (L) RF
    2. Tucker Barnhart (S) C
    3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
    4. Scooter Gennett (L) 2B
    5. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
    6. Jesse Winker (L) LF
    7. Jose Peraza (R) SS
    8. Matt Harvey (R) P
    9. Billy Hamilton (S) CF

    • roger garrett

      I like it but we still have two holes at 7 and 9.The other teams pitcher will find them and Winker won’t see much to hit with Peraza behind him.Can’t hide guys and until they are replaced we won’t have a good enough offense to win in our own park