With tonight’s loss the Reds are 1-1 in June, 3-5 on this road trip and 12-11 since May 8. They finish the Left Coast swing tomorrow (6:10 p.m ET start) and head home for a 6-game home stand against the Rockies and stupid Cardinals. 

The Reds are also now forty games into the Jim Riggleman Era and stand 17-23 since Riggleman replaced Bryan Price. That winning rate is below what most folks expected for the Reds this year. But because people who are paid to talk and write need something to talk and write about, Reds broadcasters and press are floating a fluffy narrative about Riggleman’s positive effect on the Reds fundamentals. The Reds were really, really bad at the end under Price, but they aren’t sharper at baseball fundamentals under the new boss. You still see plenty of errors, missed bunts, pickoffs and throws to the wrong places. So I’m not buying Riggleman as the tough love genius. But hey, narrative. 

And Riggleman has floundered spectacularly in other respects. He was rambling and incoherent Wednesday in explaining why he was benching Jesse Winker, betraying a certain imprecision in thinking. Then, the very next game, Winker was leading off. Riggleman was asked about it yesterday and, well, wow.

“We just can’t have Jesse sitting that much. He’s a talented young hitter. I won’t say that it’s going to be a rotation like it was before, but certainly I’m going to get Jesse’s bat in there. I’ve rethought it. I just don’t want him to be sitting four and five days at a time and just pinch-hitting. We want to get him in there. He’s working very hard on his defense.”

That’s the exact opposite of what he’d said on Wednesday. Who can make any sense of it all? He gave the situation a second thought after looking at the schedule. He has a new appreciation of Winker’s work on defense. He doesn’t want Winker sitting. It isn’t a rotation like before, but what he described sure sounds like a rotation. Maybe the front office intervened (although Riggleman said they were involved in the initial decision). I don’t know about you, but I prefer my managers — general and field — to give big decisions about important young players second and third thoughts before making and announcing them. 

If Riggleman is this confusing when trying to clarify the situation for the public, you wonder how well the players involved understand what’s going on. In the end, that’s what matters. Add to the outfield fiasco the puzzling case of Homer Bailey. According to Bailey, Riggleman didn’t talk to the veteran pitcher before speaking with the media about Bailey’s demotion to the bullpen. Bailey declined to talk to the press initially because he didn’t know anything about the decision. Had the Reds cleared things up yet, asked a day later? “Not really… They talked to you (the media) before me …” said Bailey yesterday. Blergh. 

When major league players are asked what qualities they value in a manager, they nearly always put communication at the top of the list. Judging from what we’ve seen recently, Jim Riggleman seems like an outright disaster when it comes to that. 

Cincinnati Reds 2 (21-38) • San Diego Padres 8 (26-34)

Box Score || Win % || Reds Pitcher Statcast || Reds Hitter Statcast

Matt Harvey lasted five innings and gave up four earned runs. He struck out three and walked one. The main damage was done in the 2nd inning when the Padres struck for four runs. Harvey gave up a double, a couple singles, a walk, a wild pitch and a sacrifice fly to the opposing pitcher. The Padres didn’t exactly rough up Harvey in the 2nd, but he wasn’t sharp, either. 

As Harvey’s numbers creep up (5.79 ERA, 5.02 FIP) it’s worth wondering what the Reds plans are concerning him. Harvey becomes a free agent at the end of the season. The Reds were hoping to establish trade value and move Harvey. What now? Do they let him start every fifth game until the non-waiver trade deadline July 31? Until the waiver-deadline on Sept 1? And isn’t it already clear that any return will be pretty small? Every start Matt Harvey makes is one that a young pitcher can’t fill, sacrificing that valuable experience. Amir Garrett, Robert Stephenson, Michael Lorenzen. Just sayin’. 

Begun, The Curt Casali Era Has The Reds called up catcher Curt Casali today. Casali has played in 161 major league games for the Tampa Bay Rays dating back to 2014. He homered in his first plate appearance tonight, dinger number 20 of his career. Casali became the first player to homer in his first AB for the Reds since Adam Duvall in 2015. Casali added a second hit and a walk tonight. The Reds acquired Casali from the Rays for cash this week. Casali had been playing at the AAA level for Tampa Bay this year. FWIW, his defensive WAR has been solidly positive in the majors. 

Scheblast Scott Schebler hit a solo home run in the 9th inning, his seventh of the season. 

Disco Returns I didn’t hear the pre-game interview, but Marty Brennaman said later that Jim Riggleman told him that Anthony DeSclafani was starting Tuesday or Wednesday. If that’s accurate, it’s great news. It’s also news to the Reds website, where you’ll find Sal Romano scheduled for Tuesday and Tyler Mahle for the next day. TBA is shown for Thursday, so maybe that’s what Riggleman meant. 

Michael Lorenzen was unavailable today because he pitched four innings in relief last night. Maybe the Reds are finally stretching Lorenzen out to give him a chance to start. He threw 48 pitches. It’s not like the bullpen needed a break, they’d been off the day before. With Homer Bailey exiled to the bullpen and Sal Romano struggling (6.00 ERA, 5.06 xFIP), it’s worth the experiment. Riggleman was asked last night if Lorenzen might start: “We hadn’t thought about that. That was where he ran into some injury issues in the past. But he could probably do anything, but we’re not thinking about that right now.” Please at least THINK about it. #StartLorenzen

Woke Cowboy Jeff Brantley: If the Reds aren’t going to have Billy Hamilton steal bases, they should start Scott Schebler in centerfield.

Bailey’s Knee John Fay reports that Bailey has been dealing with a right knee issue for a month. Fay said a couple staff members looked him in the eye and told him that today. If that’s the case, and the club knew, it’s bizzare that they went through this awkward (some would use stronger words that violate our site guidelines) process of demoting him to the bullpen first. Why not just put Bailey on the DL and punt the bullpen thing down the road for a week or so? What an embarrassing mess.

Have Pride If you watch the Reds on Fox Sports Ohio, you’ve seen the Captain America bobblehead commercial eleventy billion times by now. That promotion is this Friday, June 8. On the same night at GABP, the Reds are holding their first Pride Community Night for the LGBT community. I haven’t seen a single ad promoting that. The Reds Insider email sent a couple days ago highlights several other events at the upcoming home stand, but not Pride Community Night. It’s great that the Reds have joined the vast majority of major league teams to have a Pride night, but it would be a nice gesture if they showed a tenth of the, you know, pride, in sponsoring it as they do celebrating a fictional character. 

86 Responses

  1. Keith

    What a nightmare of a season. Seems like the entire organization is in disarray on and off the field. It’s hard to have a shred of confidence that the on-field product will improve given the lack of leadership and direction that seem rampant throughout the organization. I’ve loved the Reds since I was a kid and fell asleep to Marty and Joe on the radio in the 80s, but they’re a hard team to support right now, given how hopeless they currently seem. I’m not giving up, but I care a lot less now than I have in the last decade.

  2. Dan

    Is this Redleg Nation or the Homer Bailey can do nothing wrong apologetics blog?

    • Steve Mancuso

      Well, Homer didn’t pitch tonight, so there wasn’t much relevant to say about that. His name came up twice in this post on other issues. I suppose if you want non-stop criticisms of Bailey, every time he’s mentioned, regardless of topic, there are better places for that than here.

      • Dan

        Sorry to be negative. You all have a great site and you do a great job…..but the verbal gymnastics to defend Homer have been going on for years now.

        Bottom line is if I were part of a team and someone has invested $100M in me and I was given the opportunity to do a job and I performed badly and then my employer asked me to try to do another role that might help the team…I would indicate to the public (who paid my salary) and to my team that I would do everything I could to contribute…..whether the situation was communicated to me properly or not.

        As I recall, Homer had the same crappy attitude early in his career when they sent him to the minors after he wasn’t performing.

        He needs to grow up.

      • Dave Roemerman

        I agree – if your employer asked you. If you found out what your employer intended to do with you via reporters (or at the water cooler) you’d think WTF, too. Wear his shoes for a minute, or apply them to your work situation – if you found out you were transferred to another unit, one you would prefer not to join, via mass email, wouldn’t you be a little agitated?

        I think he handled a typical Reds-standard issue blunder with a shrug. I was a bit surprised he took it that well, honestly. Double that if he’s pitching hurt and looks over at Harvey and Romano…

      • Jack

        Totally agree. It’s good to see some emotion from somebody on this team. If we are going to demote people for crappy play then why is Hamilton playing every night. The guy should be bagging groceries somewhere because his play had stunk for awhile.

      • greenmtred

        Steve reported that Homer wasn’t told about his being moved to the pen until after the press was told. He also reported that Homer has been dealing with a knee issue. How is either a defense? Sounds like reporting, to me.

      • Dan

        Wrigleman “floundered spectacularly”. “If Wriggleman is this confusing”…… Ok, we get it. The Homer Bailey saga is all Wriggleman’s fault.

        We won’t mention that Homer has a track record of his own.

      • Steve Mancuso

        Well, I was mostly talking about the way Riggleman handled the Winker Odd-Man Out Era. But sure, grind your axe about Homer Bailey. Do tell us about Homer’s track record.

      • Dan

        I think my axe has been ground. I just would like to see Homer take personal responsibility for accepting $100M and then telling the public AND his team that he won’t be an effective reliever.

        With regards to the post, if we are going to use a Riggleman blunder with Winker as an example of why Homer should be excused….isn’t it just as fair to use Homer’s track record as an example why we should just believe Homer is being a jerk?

        Not many of the archives are still around but Homer’s attitude has been widely questioned since he first came up.

        For example, here is an archive of an archive: http://www.redszone.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-68736.html

        “Posted by JohnFay at 5/29/2008 12:04 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

        Homer Bailey was last year’s Jay Bruce. His debut — a 4-3 victory over Cleveland — was one of the electric moments of 2007. Striking out Dave Dellucci with the bases loaded and reds leading 3-2 got the loudest roar of the year.

        Bailey ended going 4-2 with 5.76 ERA. The year included a return to Louisville to get things straightened out.

        Bailey has been in Louisville all this year, or course. He was very good his last time out — six innings, five hits, one run, four walks, four strikeouts. But Bailey had allowed at four runs or more in his previous four starts. Overall, he’s 4-4 with a 4.05 ERA. His hits per inning — 63 in 66 2/3 — show his stuff is still good.

        But there’s been talk about him not doing what the Reds have asked. Not playing well with others and generally being a jerk.”

      • Steve Mancuso

        This is from more than 10 years ago. Do I have to say it that people are different when they are 30 than when they are 20?

      • Steve Mancuso

        There’s nothing in that recording about Homer having a “bad attitude.” Those are your words, not McCoy’s. Hal McCoy did say that Homer was stubborn and always has been. That’s different. In fact, McCoy has written about how Homer has changed since his early days. Here’s where McCoy wrote that. I hope you’ll give it a fair reading.


        So, no. You haven’t made a case that Homer has a bad attitude. You have a quote from ten years ago when he was 20. Then you mischaracterized McCoy’s comments from this week. And nothing else. Surprised if this is so clear cut you couldn’t find more proof of your assertion. Basically, you’re peddling a 10-year-old narrative that hasn’t been true for years.

        We have no idea what the context was of Bailey saying “probably not” when answering John Fay’s question about pitching out of the bullpen. I’m not going to judge him based on two words.

      • Dan

        Hal saying that “Homer being Homer we saw it when he first came up. He’s a stubborn guy and doesn’t like to change” when discussing how he is refusing to listen to coaches is not in any way indicative of having a bad attitude? I guess I was way off base then.

        OK Steve you win. Homer is a fabulous guy. He should take no responsibility for saying that he will not be effective making $22M this year as a reliever. Fans and his team have no reason to be upset with him.

      • Dan

        It’s your site and you are 100% free to do what you want with it. But I’m just curious why my last comment was deleted. It contained no profanity and no personal insults. The direct quote from Hal McCoy and the context (Homer refusing to listen to coaches despite his failure to perform) was indicative of a player with a bad attitude. Cheers.

      • Matt WI

        Well said, Greenmt. If one is inclined to already read into things as “this site protects Homer,” that’s what one might extract. A more fair reading sees what you did… criticism of how the situation was handled, without any defense of Homer, what his value is, or any implication of his poor play not being his fault.

  3. Sliotar

    Regarding the Pride Night…prior to this season, there were 4 MLB teams that had never had such a promotional night…Reds, Brewers, Angels and Yankees.

    Reds and Brewers are having one this year…Angels and Yankees still have not. As with all things in MLB, if you have the right market and financial clout, you have leverage to chart your own course.

    I have good friends in the Columbus LGBT community and we laugh about a little bit of the “Ice Bucket Challenge” to all this. Everyone is doing it to be doing it now, but within 5 years, I am guessing the Reds will quietly drop Pride Night, as will many other sports teams across leagues.

    The Columbus Clippers had one for a couple of years, but dropped it last year and don’t have one this year. Cincinnati may be different, but the LGBT scene in Columbus is vibrant. There was no need to attend a baseball game to promote anything.

    And it’s tricky for teams, worrying about reaction by older demographic fans, but in the Reds’ case, no one is going anyway.

    • Dave Roemerman

      The irony to this is that NYC and LA are probably the second and third most LGBTQ-friendly big cities in the country (SF at 1). I think this is indicative that when you judge people by the content of their character or, in pro sports’ cases, wallets, you don’t need group-specific promotions.

      Honestly, I think the Reds were probably afraid of alienating a section of their “traditional” fan base. In Yankee Stadium, it’s fairly common to see same gender couples walking around holding hands or showing other affections. I’m straight, but I sure don’t miss the intolerance I often saw in SW Ohio (this applies, too, to Dusty and Marvin, for different reasons).

      Hopefully, the team can learn to embrace every part of their fan base that doesn’t fit the profile of wealthy, white, middle-aged or older male without fear of alienating. If you can cheer for African-Americans, Hispanics, women (soccer and Olympics), and homosexuals (1,200 guys on 40 man rosters, some of them are definitely gay), I feel like you’re a little head-in-the-sand delusional to be offended by the presence of people like them off the field.

      • kmartin

        Dave, if you think SW Ohio is intolerant you should go to a White Sox game in Chicago. There are tee shirt vendors outside the stadium selling profanity laced anti-gay (referring to the neighborhood where the Cubs play) tee shirts.

        On another note, I am amazed at the crazy Jesse Winker and Homer Bailey situation.

      • spacemanred

        Sorry, I disagree with this. I disagree with the entire logic of LGBT nights and you can throw in any other social cause you wish that appeals to some particular, almost always progressive, political group. Star Wars and other theme nights are pretty dumb, too. Isn’t baseball enough? But to the point above:

        We as fans are there to watch a baseball game and hopefully to unite in enjoying a game as Americans. Somehow this social progressivism started creeping into American sport a few decades ago and its reaching the point of actually discouraging me from coming. Norm MacDonald has an interesting take on this:


        I am a Christian, catholic conservative and, despite whatever talking points are part of the current debate, I do not consider myself intolerant or hate-filled toward any group. I have a moral code and do not condone particular behaviors and I definitely do not appreciate being propagandized during a baseball game about things where I have a profound disagreement, I know I am not the only one who feels this way so someone on the board should at least say it.

        I am not holding my breath for a Christian conservative night at the ballpark where we invite the players to talk about their relationship with Jesus and their favorite Bible verses. I would enjoy it but others would not and they would complain about imposing values in a place where its inappropriate. So there is my proposed middle ground: we should be able to agree that there is a place for sport and unity and a place for difficult and sometimes emotional ethical discussions.

      • jazzmanbbfan

        I believe the Reds have had post game faith concerts and at one of them (at least) Lorenzen, and maybe Gennett spoke about their faith at them.

      • lwblogger2

        I should have read your comment first. Mine just became partially repetitive.

      • WVRedlegs

        I didn’t know that God Bless America was a thing only related to Christian conservatives. I always believed it was am American thing. Thanks for your hate ideology lesson.

      • VaRedsFan

        Spaceman is right. All people have the right to go to games, we don’t need to celebrate this group or that group

      • Gary Sweeney

        I am in your camp. I have taught high school percussion competitively for the past 33 years as a side gig to my career as well as coached 3 sports for my son and daughter for a number of years; some of it travel level. My position and I wish it were in prosfessonal sports is just do your craft and keep the other crap off the field. Working with my high school groups, I make no bones that I am a traditional guy, but I do not preach to my kids. I tell them I am not there to build their self esteem and build you up. I tell them if they want to make a statement or prove something socially, my group is not the place for you. My job is to teach and motivate you to be the best musician and performer, learn how to be part of a team and try to beat as many other schools possible and hopefully, you can later go on to the next level; college, drum corps, or education. I deal with every demographic imaginable and some life styles I totally disagree with. But I treat each kid with the same respect, but if they get into a debate with me, its game on. I apologize for rambling, but I am just sick of pandering to everyone. I just tell them to shut and drum.

      • lwblogger2

        I appreciate your candor on the matter and getting some explanation of what the issue is for you. I will point out however that the Reds have had quite a few Contemporary Christian bands perform after games and that many of the current Reds are often talking about their religious views. Michael Lorenzen’s faith is often in the forefront of reporting about what he’s doing on and off the field. Players often will thank God or Jesus during post game interviews. These are nothing new and have been part of the game for years. I suppose that the Reds could put on some sort of “faith night” or “Christian Pride” night or even an “Evangelical Night”. It would basically be up to a group of Christian fans to float the idea and propose something.

      • hoosierdad1

        Perhaps those you describe are actually appalled that a MLB team succumbed to the pressure to promote a person’s sexual activity. There is nothing in the “pride” events I’ve seen that honor the content of a person’s character. When’s the last time a MLB team had a straight “pride” night? I don’t want to get in an argument and won’t comment again on this issue.

        Let’s play ball!

      • Dave Roemerman

        This is the problem – a complete misunderstanding of what’s being promoted. “Pride” is only the name because that’s what it started as – being proud of who and how you were despite society’s insults. Much the same, the adoption of the term “gay” for a group with shockingly high depression and suicide rates is odd. Further, these nights aren’t supposed to be advocating any groups’ points of view, they’re supposed to be inclusive of an ostracized group. Key words = OSTRACIZED, LEFT OUT, EXCLUDED. To clarify, I meant people should use character as a barometer – professional sports uses dollars and, as such, panders to many groups, Christians and fireworks/bobblehead fans alike.

        That said, black history month and wearing 42 aren’t done to promote the black panthers – African-Americans were excluded from baseball for three quarters of a century. So were Hispanics (see Latin nights). Asians (admittedly a racist PC term that excludes Russians, Malays, Arabs, Filipinos/Pacific Islanders, and Indians and others from the continent for Chinese/Japanese /Korean “oriental” people only) too. The point is to include the marginalized. The majority doesn’t need a night to be included. That’s every night.

        It was never a standardized insult to say “that’s straight, you hetero.” When straight, white Christians (myself included) are the group left out, not allowed to join, and labeled inferior, believe me, I’ll be advocating for teams to include us in a show of unity. That might include a night or two out of 81. Until then, I’m not going to sniffle at another group being given some recognition after decades or even centuries of exclusion.

        I don’t speak up here to promote any progressive or political agenda – simply tolerance of everything but intolerance. If we tolerate intolerance, then tolerance itself is destroyed. It’s Karl Popper’s “paradox of tolerance.”


        As to why I would speak out for groups of which I am not a member, this is a powerful poem on point:

        I find it very sad when those who already have something – be it money, opportunity, societal acceptance, or anything else, begrudge another group for receiving some small amount of the same. To that point, I’m absolutely certain that all the red ink in the Bible concerning lepers, prostitutes, and debtors agrees with me about showing love to those less fortunate than ourselves and being accepting and not judgmental. How quickly our egos allow us to be selfish and intolerant of those who are differently oriented than us, be it sexually, racially, religiously, or politically. Personally, I choose to love those people in spite of themselves and hope some of them return the favor. It works a lot better than pouting every time someone else gets a night and not poor ol’ already accepted, majority group(s) me.

      • Hotto4Votto

        Excellent post. Thanks for putting that together.

      • jazzmanbbfan

        Although in general I’m averse to commenting on social or political issues on baseball blogs, that was a well thought out post Dave R.

      • JB WV

        Great post Dave. If anyone is interested in exploring differences further, Trey Kay has an excellent podcast series entitled “Us and Them” concerning race, sexual orientation, class differences, and other topics which try to gently remind us that we’re basically all alike and should care for each other. “Love thy neighbor as thyself”; the basis for ending division. Go Reds!!! No offense to capitalists intended.

      • lwblogger2

        Wow! Fantastically well stated!

      • Colorado Red

        Keep politics of any kind out of baseball
        They do not need to support or reject any fans.

      • greenmtred

        So, no more flyovers or support our troops demonstrations? Politics are where you see them.

    • lwblogger2

      I have a lot of friends in the Cincy and Columbus LGBT community and was a bit shocked to see some of the comments on the Reds Facebook page. There are a lot of vocal friends who are “not attending THAT game” and many who expressed outrage that there was a child-focused bobble-head night the same night as pride night. I’m sad about it. I mean, what are the folks who are complaining worried about? It’s not like there will be sex acts in the stands.

  4. George

    All the words that have been expended expressing dissatisfaction with the current Reds Organization amount to frustration by devoted fans. Reviewing the actions (or inaction) by Reds leadership creates just more anger. The current on-field results say everything that needs to be said about current ownership.
    It is hard being a Reds fan, to buy tickets, and have hope for the future when I lack trust in ownership to be willing to get front office people who know how to win baseball games. I am tired of hearing the “losing must stop” quotes, I want too to see “W’s”.

  5. DHud

    It’s because the Bailey injury is a BS story made up to save face, both for Bailey and the organization

    • CI3J

      Probably true. Didn’t they pull the same stunt with Arroyo last year?

    • Colorado Red

      I think they need to send Homer to the BP, once he gets off.
      If he will not pitch, I would move to void the rest of his contract, without pay.
      Take him and the MLBPA to court, and sue them.

  6. David

    Saddened to see the Reds are giving in to the LGBT “community.” Why do we need to have a pride night for a choice people make? I like guitar, will we have a guitar pride night? What about a mac and cheese lover pride night?

    • Hotto4Votto

      Giving into? Where are the demonstrations or movements demanding a night like this happen? Maybe the Reds are just trying to make people from all walks of life included, where baseball hasn’t exactly been at the forefront of that. I’m not going to get into this, it’s not the time or place. But it’s not a choice and science backs that up. If you were ever to befriend someone from the LBGTQ community and get to know them it would be plain as day. To liken it to having a inclination for playing guitar just an offensive and ignorant statement. Statements like this shine a spotlight on the intolerance and bigotry of a certain groupthink that would do well to actually get out in the world and meet some people.

      • VaRedsFan

        All walks of life are already included. What group has been banned from the stadium? No need to politicize it with a “night”

      • Steve Mancuso

        You feel the same way about German Community Day (Sept 12), Irish Community Night (July 26), Bike Night (June 9), African American Community Night (Sept 7), Faith Concert Night (Sept 8), Hispanic Community Night (Sept 28)?

    • Daytonian

      We have Star Wars night? Beatles night? Those are choices that people make.

  7. Klugo

    Don’t expect insiders to communicate with the media the same way they communicate with insiders. It’ll never happen. Media are considered outsiders and a nuisance. Everything a team insider says to the media should be taken with a grain of salt.

    Riggleman is not the answer, but he’s trying to make the best of a bad situation. And players gotta play. Our record is as indicative of our talent level as it is coaching or managing. Riggleman’s trying. Heck, from the looks of it, he may have a heart attack trying with this group.

    I think everyone can see that Bailey chose to go to the DL rather than the bullpen. This fiasco (really just a blurp on the big radar) seems just as much on Bailey as the organization. He’s not good right now. He won’t be part of the next contending Reds rotation (but maybe bullpen, maybe. Maybe.)He needs to be demoted and he’s crying about it. The Reds have paid him a lot of money and have to try to balance that fact with making him happy, saving the clubhouse, and doing what’s best for the current and future team. It’s a little like the BP situation.

  8. Jason

    I was planning on going to the game Friday night but I will not be attending now that I know it’s pride night. I want to go watch baseball. I don’t want to participate in some political propaganda bull.

  9. docproctor

    Agree completely with your appraisal of Riggleman. I had hope at first, but he’s been a disaster.

  10. james garrett

    Riggleman is not the answer but who would be?The Reds front office has been so inconsistent in dealing with players its embarrassing.Some players are threw under the bus and others continue to get a pass regardless of their performance.All players are different but all must be held accountable to a certain level on and off the field as should all of this organization but it doesn’t happen.Some players walk on egg shells while others are safe regardless.This can’t be but it is and that’s why it is a circus.Its the famous Laurel and Hardy who’s on first comedy routine day in and day out.As fans we see the disinterest these players show on the field and surely its happening off the field but it never changes.Votto gets picked off last night with a 3 step lead.Billy is smiling in the dugout in the ninth of a blow out and then goes up and takes strike 3 right down the middle again for 5 years in a row.These two guys are safe regardless and they know it.

    • greenmtred

      Memo to Billy: Stop Smiling!!!!!

      • Gary Sweeney

        Nice to see guys have fun and enjoy their career. However, failing at a higher rate than usual and smiling without the appearance of trying to improve is frustrating. I enjoyed watching the Billy with with 28 teeth hitting .240 better.

      • Westfester

        Yeah, throw a bat. Charge the mound. Act like a generally unpleasant individual because fans are displeased that you are smiling while you are working.

    • BigRedMike

      I would hope that an interim manager is not making a decision regarding the playing time of Winker. That would have to include input by the organization.

      Bailey to DL is likely a decision to enable him to not go to the bullpen for now.

      As noted on the podcast, if this is a rebuild there does not be a consistent decision making pattern. It is this sort of decision making that leads to 4 straight 90 loss seasons with very little talent on the way.

      • greenmtred

        8th best farm system in baseball. There’s talent on the way, but the questions are how will it be developed and when should it arrive?

  11. Hotto4Votto

    If one thing is consistent about the Reds, from ownership to the FO to the field managers, to the event coordinators, it’s mismanagement. Seriously, I wonder how often other teams leadership groups just straight up laugh at how the Reds operate on a day to day basis.

  12. Jeff Reed

    Reading your last paragraph was a great way to start my day. As an older guy it is encouraging to see how our country is changing for the better in being less concerned about differences, that really don’t matter, and more inclusive which is a part of a long tough road to a stronger America.

  13. Seat101

    Let the virtue signaling begin! It is easy to criticize the Reds About their meager promotion of Pride Night. And it would be just as easy to criticize Redleg Nation for not For being silent on the subject until now.

    It seems to me as if this is a great case study of “no good deed goes unpunished.”
    Rather than give them credit for dipping their toe in the water you give them grief for not swimming the English Channel.

    I hope I’m not going off topic when I say “Go Redlegs!”

  14. Bill

    I must be in the wrong place. I thought we came here to argue about the lead off man or who should be traded. Now I need to go come up with an opinion on if the Reds should wear rainbow uniforms and pass out same sex couple bobbleheads.

    • Redlegs64

      Agree 100% – this stuff permeates every other aspect of media.
      RLN was made for baseball – let’s leave it that way!

  15. Still a Red

    OK y’all…I quit reading the comments on the Reds MLB site because of the divisive political discussions. Do I have to leave here too? Yes, I thinks these are worthwhile discussions (if kept civil), but I don’t think sports blogs are the right platform. If so, have a page devoted to political discussion so I can avoid it.

  16. Still a Red

    OK y’all…I quit the reading and participating in the comments on the Reds MLB site because the divisive and often juevenile political debates. Do I now have to leave this site too? While these issues are worthy of civil debate, a sports blog would not be my chosen platform. Maybe have a separate ‘political’ page for such discussion, so I can avoid it.

    • Jeff Reed

      Everything in life, including sports and baseball, has a political element to it. It’s usually a part of any conversation or comment to a degree. Unless a person says nothing, it’s pretty difficult to avoid the political.

  17. seanuc

    Thanks for a thoughtful post. I don’t always agree with everything said by the writers at RLN, but virtually every post is coherent, insightful, and well written. The quality is outstanding and consistently so. Gives me a lot to think about. As for Homer, I have never been a huge fan (I know he’s been Steve’s favorite player for some time). I had high hopes he would be a stabilizing presence this year, consistently giving 6 IP/3 ER. Sad to see it end this way. I think Steve’s post and the responses above are both right: the Reds have mismanaged it, and Homer is acting immaturely. I think, for the good of the organization, just DFA him and move on. The relationship is broken and the negatives (which are very real) outweigh the positives (which are only possibilities).

  18. HD

    With all the Reds FO incompetence & chaos it seems that they are doing their best to try and make Joey demand a trade this off season. Which will probably make him look like the bad guy and not the ownership. Why would he want to be any part of this! Joey will NEVER win his championship in the Queen City. What has happened to this franchise? It’s sad.

  19. Ron Payne

    I think James brought up a good point in regards to the inconsistency in which players are handled. A player’s salary or popularity often plays a big role in what we perceive as a double standard.
    I’m guessing there is a certain amount of this on every MLB team. It’s more noticeable here because of the team’s poor performance.
    The big problem is that we only have 4 players on offense that perform consistently. Votto, Suarez, Gennett and Barnhart. If we had a pitching staff like Houston or Washington, the play at the outfield and shortstop positions might be a little more tolerable.
    As for the front office? They seem to be looking at each other with their shoulders shrugged and hands in the air.

  20. Jim Walker

    So, I’ve been traveling and visiting for much of the last week and not had much to say here. It is very disappointing to see how the Reds management, from top to bottom and bottom to top across the board has mismanaged the situations mentioned here. And I’ll throw in another one that was mostly under the radar.

    As part of the maneuvering which resulted in Curt Casali replacing Tony Cruz as backup catcher, Rosell Herrera was lost from the Reds org. A 40 man roster spot was needed for Casali; and, since the Reds did not want to lose Cruz who essentially remains as the “3rd catcher” on call at AAA, the decision was made that R.Herrera was the odd man out. He was DFAed which opened the roster spot then immediately placed on waivers with hopes he would clear and be outrighted off the 40 man but remain in the Reds org at AAA. However Herrera was claimed by KC.

    Thus a 25 year old former top 100 prospect, a swtich hitter who can play virtually any position but pitcher and catcher is gone for an improvement at backup catcher on a team which seems destined to lose at least (at least he said) 95+ games. Anybody wondering if they might be listening on Barnhart as the trade deadline approaches?

    • Jack

      I don’t know why they wouldn’t listen on anybody? This team isn’t close to competing with the Central. If they are offered a ton for Suarez then why not? Barnhart?

      • Jim Walker

        I believe because there are players a team decides to build around. The contracts given to Suarez and Barnhart in the last year indicate they are two such players in the Reds current rebuild cycle.

        If either of them is traded and the deal doesn’t immediately make the MLB team a better team on net then that is a sign the rebuild is a bust.

        Particularly in Barnhart’s case with him playing a specialty position, it is hard to see a deal that can meet the criteria of making the MLB team immediately better on net since the Reds don’t have an in house replacement ready to step in.

    • lwblogger2

      Yeah, I was displeased with the way it worked out with Herrera. I thought picking him up was a shrewd move by the front-office. Then they turn around and lose him in a numbers game to keep a veteran 3rd catcher stashed in L’ville.

      • Jim Walker

        Who do you think walks the 40 man plank for Disco to come on from 60 day DL? If they don’t have the fortitude to make it a pitcher, then Disco shouldn’t be coming back.

      • lwblogger2

        Reed? Shackleford? Should probably be Harvey or heck, even Bailey but it won’t be.

  21. Steve Mancuso

    More info on Homer’s knee from the Cincinnati Enquirer paper edition.

    “Homer got checked out (Saturday) night by the San Diego doctor,” Riggleman said. “What they came up with is there’s some issue there. It’s nothing major. He’ll take a few days and not throw. Just kind of go from there when we get back in town next week.”

    “Homer has dealt with the issue for about a month,” Riggleman said. “It has not stopped him from pitching. But it also maybe has not allowed him to be at his best.”

    “So I think it’s a really good idea to take a break and really let it calm down. Running on it, bullpen sessions, pitching in the game let it get inflamed. Let’s let it calm down and see if it helps him.”

    If this is all accurate, it’s completely baffling why they went through the public awkwardness of demoting Bailey to the bullpen and then putting him on the DL. Why not put him on the DL and go from there?

    • MrRed

      Because they’re backpedaling. This has been an awkward situation for the club and Bailey and candidly, neither of them has handled it well.

      As if we needed another episode to erode our faith in this organization.

      • Steve Mancuso

        Yeah. It’s like the adults were gone for 48 hours, Riggleman said all these things, and now the adults are back and the house has been trashed. But Riggleman said he consulted with Krall and Bell on the Winker thing. Bizarre.

    • lwblogger2

      Could be as MRRED said. Could also be that Bailey didn’t tell anyone he was hurting. Then after the demotion, he decided he should speak up about it. Players hide injuries a lot more often then they should. Plus, it was just inflammation, so maybe Bailey didn’t think it was that big of a deal but it kept getting worse. It’s really hard to say. The way the org and Bailey have handled this has been odd to say the least. Then there is the Winker matter… The ship is rudderless.

  22. DRE

    Let’s face it….The only reason the Reds ever won any games was because they played against Milwaukee., Pittsburgh, Chicago, and Houston. The organization sucks. Those teams improved and the Red’s didn’t

  23. Wobaisnotyoda

    and of course who was the last out with the tying run ?


  24. mywordisfinal

    If you’re wondering about who the mastermind of this horrible season is, look no further than walt jocketty. Regardless of all the moves they’ve made in the front office, jocketty is still running things. Just ask Yovani Gallardo. He’s like a bad infection that wont go away.