The Reds dropped their third consecutive game with a 5-2 loss in Arizona. The Reds have now lost 10 of their last 14 games.

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (19-37) 2 7 1
Arizona Diamondbacks (28-26) 5 4 1
W: Godley (5-4) L: Castillo (4-5) S: Boxberger (13)
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Biggest Play of the Game

According to Fangraphs WPA statistic (winning percentage added), the most important play of the game was Luis Castillo allowing a 2-run home run to Daniel Descalso with 2 outs in the 1st inning, giving the Diamondbacks a 2-1 lead. That play decreased the Reds chances of winning by 17.9% (from 57.2% to 39.3%).


Eugenio Suarez hit his 10th home run of the season. Suarez now has a 155 wRC+ on the season.

Joey Votto had a two hit night.

David Hernandez pitched two perfect innings in relief. He has a 2.50 ERA/2.56 FIP in 18.0 innings pitched in 2018.


Luis Castillo‘s recent run of solid stars was halted a bit tonight. He walked three batters tonight, the biggest being Jake Lamb right before he gave up a two out home run to Daniel Descalso. His final line certainly wasn’t awful, but the Reds are really wanting Castillo to take that ace role and run with it: 5.0 IP, 4 H, 1 HR, 4 ER, 3 BB, 6 K.

Scott Schebler and Adam Duvall both went 0 for 4. The four man outfield rotation has produced four below average hitters so far in 2018.

Up Next:

Reds at Diamondbacks
Wednesday, 3:40 PM
TV: FOX Sports Ohio
Sal Romano (5.89 ERA) vs Patrick Corbin (2.47 ERA)

40 Responses

  1. Joey

    This place is like a ghost town. They are playing so bad that even the die hards dont have anything to say. RIP 2018 Reds.

    • liptonian

      Doesn’t help when the game ends at 2 AM on the east coast

  2. Scott Gennett

    As losses continue to pile up (for sure the 100 losses mark will be surpassed), it’s both, frustrating and embarrassing, that FO does not make any decisions regarding the very low performance players, like Bailey, Romano, Peralta, Peraza, Duvall and Hamilton. Those players are really hurting the rest of the team and the fan base as well. I seriously doubt that, for example, Blandino would make it worse than Peraza or Winker worse than Duvall.

    • CI3J

      For Peraza, I’m willing to give him this season to sink or swim. If by the end of this season he’s shown no real improvement, then ok, maybe it’s time to look elsewhere.

      Romano is in the same boat, although I might be willing to wait even longer on him, given he’s shown flashes of actually being a serviceable #3-#4 type starter.

      Bailey, Duvall, and Hamilton are what they are at this point. Bailey should have been traded around the time Cueto was traded, but that’s water under the bridge now. All 3 have virtually 0 value, although I suppose Hamilton could be traded for a B level prospect if some contending team could be sold on him as a late inning defensive replacement/baserunner.

      The team has a few nice assets. Suarez, Votto, Barnhart, and Scooter are bonafide above-average MLB players. Winker, Schebler, Castillo, Mahle, and Garrett, and Romano could get to that level with a little more developing (although Schebler is dangerously close to “he is what he is” territory). Depending on what Senzel ends up doing, there could be a very solid core in place here.

      It’s painful, but all we can do is let the kids play and take their lumps and re-asses at the end of the season. I still believe the team has the makings of a contender if a few breaks go their way and players develop like we’re hoping they should.

      • Ted

        And the reason for this ongoing debacle of a rebuild is because the front office screwed up most of the trades when they had good pieces that were valuable because they didn’t get anything in return…Chapman, Frasier, Cueto etc etc

      • doofus

        That and not having a continuity plan to replace the “Big-5” of Cueto, Latos, leake, Arroyo & Bailey 5 years ago. Or was the drafting of Howard, Travieso and Stephenson supposed to be the continuity plan for the rotation? This FO was and a mess under Jocketty and continues to be a mess under Williams/Krall.

  3. Hotto4Votto

    If we didn’t have a four man outfield rotation, would we still have 4 below average outfielders? Is the inconsistent playing time the culprit? An interesting question to ponder.

    • Alex

      Ha great question. Winker plays almost never after hitting his first home run. Reds FO is just embarrassing. Blandino didn’t hit until he got a consistent shot. I keep saying it, the reds front office didn’t want a rebuild and this isn’t one. Look at all of the players 28 years or older who play or pitch alot.

      This isn’t a rebuilding team, it’s a just a bad veteran team and it will continue to be. This front office hates young talent and never sought to acquire any. Don’t forget the year started with gosselin and Pennington. This front office hates numbers and young players and now the reds are just a sad last landing spot for old vets on their way out.

      • greenmtred

        I’m pretty sure that the Reds are actually the youngest team in the NL, for what that’s worth.

      • seanuc

        I don’t want to agree with you. But the evidence is compelling and I think you may be right. They don’t want a rebuild. The ownership/FO is a mess. No clear direction, no clear lines of authority, no “Reds Way.” Investment in the stadium experience and the community is a far more efficient way to maintain attendance than investing in the team itself, and it seems as though they made a business decision to go that route. But it can all still be salvaged if the right actions are taken in the draft, by the trade deadline, during free agency, and in choosing a manager. I have my doubts that this leadership group is capable of forming and executing a successful plan.

  4. Jack

    Remember when the Reds swept the Dodgers what seems months ago? That was the highlight of the year. It’s only downhill from there.

  5. Ethan L

    How many runs has this excuse of a rotation given up in the first inning? It seems to be our Achilles Heel.

  6. Mason Red

    I admire those here who still believe but it’s just time to admit that this “rebuild” is a complete and total failure. Unfortunately unless ownership gets serious and completely overhauls the front office this franchise is looking at years or maybe even decades of losing.

    • Mike Adams

      Hope you are wrong but it is looking like you are not wrong.

      What did Cubs’ fans used to say? “Wait ’til next year!”

      With the Reds it will be “Wait ’til the next rebuild!”
      The now Reds are the Cubs of old (I can’t believe it has come to this).

  7. msanmoore

    And we’re back squarely in the Milton BLARGH!!! zone

  8. SultanofSwaff

    No. One. Cares.

    No one cares that Bailey’s feelings were hurt because he was demoted.
    No one cares if Peraza gets benched.
    No one cares if our former all-star left fielder plays every day to see if he can ‘get going’.
    No one cares that smiling Billy Hamilton was bumped to 9th in the batting order.
    No one cares about service time issues, contracts, or roles that players are comfortable in.
    No one cares that their favorite veteran player is in the lineup when the team loses so often.
    No one cares that the team has a ‘good clubhouse’ when the team loses so often.

    The only thing the fans care about is seeing the organization be proactive on every front to accelerate the sorting process: in game analytics,prioritizing youth over veterans, aggressively promoting and PLAYING prospects.

    The front office has this over-inflated sense of importance about change, as if the natives will storm GABP with pitchforks.

    No. One. Cares.

    • james garrett

      Well put.This club has no plan at all.Its a circus of an organization and the laughing stock of baseball.Why on earth if we did indeed try to go out and get some players would anybody in his right mind want to play for the Reds?

    • lwblogger2

      Wow Sultan. I think you really nailed this one. The fans want a winner more than anything. They want to see some winning baseball. At the very least, they want to see hope for the future. What they are getting? None of the above.

      You know what’s worse than anger in a fanbase? Yep, you got it, APATHY.

      No. One. Cares.

  9. Bill

    I’ve been a Reds fan for 70 years and this team, to me, is the biggest joke in all those years.

    • David

      Not quite that long, but I do sense a lack of urgency to become a winner again. The pattern repeats itself, and even us dense proles see that this is not a rebuild, this is running in place.
      DFA Homer, Duvall and Hamilton. That’s right, eat his contract, knuckleheads. Or teach him to throw a knuckleball. Something. DO SOMETHING!
      Call up Stephenson to replace Homer in the rotation.
      Put Schebler in CF unless something else happens. Put Winker in right.
      Put Scooter in Left, and bring up Dilson Herrera to play 2nd base. Give him 6 weeks to see if he can hit ML pitching. By then, we can see if Senzel’s vertigo issues are behind him. And bring up Senzel, and let him play LF/2nd base.

      Oh, and don’t ever count on Desclafani again.

  10. Shchi Cossack

    The Reds handling of Hamilton and Peraza are looking like mirror images, leading to the question of what incompetent decision makers are handling player development. Neither Hamilton nor Peraza ever deomonstrated they could play and compete effectively in the upper minor league, yet both players were promoted to MLB because they were fast. Once they were playing at the MLB level, neither player has been demoted after clearly demonstrating they were overmatched at the MLB level. Hamilton has now been playing poorly and starting at the MLB for 5 seasons. Peraza has not been playing poorly and starting for 2 seasons, with no apparent intention to curtail his playing time and starting at the MLB level. They are both starting starting on very bad teams at the MLB level.

    Why aren’t (or weren’t in Hamilton’s case) both of the players developing there skills and proving their capabiliteis at AAA instead of floundering at the MLB level without proving they were ready in the upper minors? Neither player benefited from being overmatched by MLB pitching and neither player contributed to successful MLB team. This fixation the Reds management has with speed is ludocrous. Speed is great. I love players with speed, but this is baseball not track. Baseball skills trump speed EVERY TIME! How many SS prospectects have the Reds signed because they are fast and virtually every single one of them is floundering. STUPID… just STUPID!

    • greenmtred

      If by “play” you mean”hit,” then there’s no argument. We really only complain seriously about the poor hitting (which isn’t that poor, on average) and the pitching. The defense has been a serious weakness this season, and hasn’t helped the pitchers. BH is more than fast–he’s a superior outfielder. Peraza, I agree, is really only fast. And at this point, BH’s hitting has gotten so poor that it’s hard to justify leaving him in as a starter.

      • lwblogger2

        I’m in the same boat. I’ve defended Hamilton because the Reds are very limited in options for CF. I mean, the 1st trait of a CF in my book is that he needs to be able to actually play CF. The thing is though, when the hitting is so very poor, you can’t keep a guy out there no matter how good his defense. In Hamilton’s case it has taken a long time for me to come to this thinking because of the lack of other CF options. At this point however, you have to think that the offensive hole is bigger than the defensive gain. Hamilton has finally tipped the scales.

        In Peraza’s case, there isn’t a defensive gain. He’s a below-average defender that I see having some upside to become above-average. The hit tool though? Yeah, it doesn’t appear to be there. Why? He makes contact but it isn’t GOOD contact. He also doesn’t run deep counts because he swings at pitchers’ pitches, so he almost never walks. Unless that changes, he’s never going to make a positive contribution.

        Where things are different is that Peraza is much younger than Hamilton. He’s also cheaper. He has more potential future value. That’s why he plays SS regularly the rest of the year. The Reds need to see not only if he’s a starter but if he’s really a contributor going forward.

    • lwblogger2

      Baseball skills, especially hitting, trumps just about anything else. Also, command of one’s entire pitching repertoire trumps velocity. I mean you have to have some velocity but give me 91-93 with good command of 3 pitches over 96-97 with marginal secondary pitches and poor command.

  11. Jeff Reed

    The Reds have too many young possible starting pitchers with control issues. They’ve got to get the ball in the strike zone and go from there. This reflects on the front office and their selection process, and the minor league coaching of pitchers. Is Clay Carroll still around? He seemed to have success for quite a while in AAA as the pitching coach. I don’t think there’s been a real commitment to the rebuild. The attention given to the 2015 All Star game threw it off the track, and the return on players from the 2010-2013 winning years has not been good. It all starts from ownership/front office at the top.

  12. seanuc

    Cossack’s comment followed by Jeff Reed’s comment are both 100% accurate and explain so many problems. For position players, too much emphasis on speed and not enough emphasis on skills, like, I don’t know, actually hitting a baseball on some consistent basis with some semblance of authority. For pitchers, too much emphasis on velocity or “veteran-ness” and not enough on control. And with both, we seem incapable of teaching.

  13. WVRedlegs

    The Rebuild is totally FUBAR !!
    That managers seat has to be getting a little hot for Riggleman. An interim-interim manager is going to be needed soon. That is the state of the rebuild. The rebuild is FUBAR. Mass ridiculousness.
    Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder could see this collapse coming back in spring training. The Reds front office is getting what they deserve, a putrid team. They sat on their hands all winter and did virtually nothing to improve the team. Standing pat on a last place roster was the front office’s strategy all along. They chased after fools gold in devoting so much time and energy on an Otani presentation that stumbled and failed right out of the gate. The Reds were not even close to being one of the final 7 teams. They severely neglected what really mattered, building a viable roster the fans could get behind and be energized about.
    If Bob Castellini really cared about the Reds, the storied franchise, and all the Reds fans, he would immediately clean house in the front office. If he wants to keep them employed, fine, transfer them to other duties. But at all costs, get Williams, Krall, sonny Castellini, and Jocketty out of ALL baseball operations NOW!!!!!!!
    The one thing the Castellinis are doing well is running off more and more long time Reds fans.

    • David

      All that stuff about cleaning house is NOT going to happen. Nothing WILL happen because of that.
      Sorry, but that’s the way Bob rolls. He is happy that his investment is growing in value, and his talk about winning is lip service meant to calm the restless natives.

      Sparky used to talk about “the natives were restless” in the Big Red Machine years, when they had a couple weeks or a month of mediocre, 0.500 win percentage ball.
      We would be happy for that now.

      • Mike Adams

        Sorry, David, I wouldn’t be happy with a 0.500 Reds team.

        That is how they got into this mess.

        Win. Win every draft. Win every trade. Win every game. Win every inning, every at bat, every pitch, every defensive play.

        It is impossible to do this but if one is not striving to do that all the time then a team will go down hill bit by bit, compromise by compromise. It may take years and it has for the Reds.

        It looks like it will take years to get better but everyone getting paid by the Reds, volunteering for the Reds, or owning the Reds need to have this mind set.

        The problem lies at the top of the organization and you hit the nail on the head in your second paragraph.

  14. Indy Red Man

    I started to laugh when I saw that Daniel Descalso was their cleanup hitter…..then he took Castillo deep. The Cincinnati Slumpbusters! So you can’t score? We’ll get you back on track! You’ll be rounding bases and high-fiving in the dugout like little league! Pathetic.

    I watched the rest of it this morning….saw where Billy led off with a hit and then stood there til Tucker hit into a doubleplay. I’m done for a while. Check the box score and save yourself time & misery.

    • SultanofSwaff

      Don’t forget that Blandino took 2 called strikes waiting for Billy to steal in the 7th, and then struck out swinging in an attempt to hit it to the right side thinking that Billy might be running. Again, nothing.

  15. Scott Carter

    Outfield Rotation a complete failure. Winker will probably start today since Arizona is starting a tough lefty. Set up for failure. Have to get these young guys familiar with failing.

    • james garrett

      I thought the same thing.This organization is just dumb.They don’t care about winning and it is so obvious.

  16. jreis

    I say bring up Freidl, Trammel and Siri by the end of the year. at least give us hope that we may have a real major league outfield in the next 5 years

    • lwblogger2

      They don’t want to start service time clocks and none of the three are ready anyway.

  17. CP

    These types of reactions demonstrate why the front office was so loathe to start the rebuild in the first place. Fans simply cannot handle losing this long. Reds fans aren’t special in this regard, you can go back and read some of the old articles about whether Astros fans would ever come back, blah blah blah.

    The rebuild is not dead. Things are still relatively on schedule, its just your expectations are out of whack. This rebuild is suffering greatly from yes, delaying the rebuilding.process in the first place But more importantly, they have been completely unable to develop their pitching prospects, and they also missed repeatedly on high draft picks from years 2011 through 2014. They have essentially written off Nick Travieso, Jeff Gelalich, and Nick Howard, and Stephenson, Winker, Ervin, Lorenzen, and Blandino have all yet to contribute, have underperformed, or are relative duds. The second round is even worse, nobody notable has been drafted since Billy Hamilton in 2009, Some of this is just proof at how fickle and difficult the MLB draft can be. I think many of us thought Stephenson and Winkers were locks to be solid MLB contributors. Neither looks like came up ready to perform at the MLB level. Seeing how these were all chosen before the rebuild officially began, I can’t really hold anyone responsible not named Walt Jocketty.

    The only thing keeping this organization from sinking into the abyss has been their trade prowess (where would this team be without Eugenio Suarez?) and some well timed waiver wire pickups, but they have again been plagued by their failure to develop young pitchers and bad injury luck.

    This is the hard part of the rebuild, now you have to wait and see if young kids develop.

    • greenmtred

      Thanks for posting that , CP. I agree with you, but I’m still discouraged.

  18. KG

    Just read where they’re putting the 4-man outfield rotation on hold and Winker is the odd man out. I’m absolutely astounded! The outfielder with the highest OBP (.354) must take a seat?!?! Is Winker’s defense that bad? Schebler’s OBP is .318, Duvall is a paltry .272 and Hamilton is sitting at .296. Shaking my head and quickly losing faith in a team I’ve followed since I was old enough to pickup a baseball glove.