The Short Version: The Reds won. I don’t know how to act.

Final R H E
Miami Marlins (11-20) 1 5 0
Cincinnati Reds (8-24) 4 7 0
W: Romano (2-3) L: Chen (1-1) S: Iglesias (4)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score

The Good
–Sal Romano gave up one run on three hits and two walks, striking out two in five and a third innings. He wasn’t particularly efficient, as he threw 93 pitches, but he was good enough.

–Eugenio Suarez had a three-run homer (his fourth) in the first inning that gave the Reds enough to win, and he also walked twice. Suarez is hitting .321/.435/.643, and since returning from the disabled list, Geno is 10 for 29, with three doubles and two home runs. Not too shabby.

–Jose Peraza had a couple of hits in the leadoff spot. He’s up to .298/.321/.403 on the season now.

–Adam Duvall followed Suarez’ first-inning homer with a solo shot of his own.

–Billy Hamilton had a single and two walks. Somehow Hamilton’s OBP is up to .306, despite a batting average of .198.

–David Hernandez, Jared Hughes, and Raisel Iglesias combined for 3.2 shutout innings of relief.

The Bad
–For the fourth time in eleven games, Jesse Winker was inexplicably not in the starting lineup. He did pinch hit in the eighth, and delivered a single. Of course.

Not-So-Random Thoughts
–I’m going to be straight with you: I mostly watched this game on my phone while at my daughter’s softball game — a heart-breaking 5-4 extra innings loss — tonight, then listened to the last inning on the radio on the way home. So you’re gonna have to help me fill in the blanks. Tell me what I missed.

–Tyler Mahle will go to the mound tomorrow night as the Reds seek to secure their second series win of the 2018 season. What a time to be alive.

Blame Chad for creating this mess.

Chad launched Redleg Nation in February 2005, and has been writing about the Reds ever since. His first book, “The Big 50: The Men and Moments That Made the Cincinnati Reds” is now available in bookstores and online, at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and wherever fine books are sold. You can also find Chad’s musings about the Cincinnati Reds in the pages of Cincinnati Magazine.

You can email Chad at chaddotson@redlegnation.com.

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  1. Chad,

    You missed next to nada.

    -Up to now, Romano has looked like a young Andrew Cashner. Imposing on the mound, you think he get more K’s than he actually does, but it does not turn out that way.

    Doesn’t get hit hard often. Always done before 7th inning, usually much sooner. Guys like that find a way to keep getting jobs, but you don’t give him a big contract or put him near the top of the rotation.

    -Since the runs were all HR-related (hard to believe in 2018), I pulled up a second screen and watched Indians-Yankees.

    Indians came back from 5-0 down in top of 8th, walked in go-ahead run in bottom of 8th, tied it again on Chapman wild pitch in 9th….only for Cody Allen to give up winning run in bottom of 9th.

    I write this because….Andrew Miller hurt, Cody Allen struggling…both are free agents at end of year. Indians are in their window, this year is maybe their last best chance for a while.

    I hope Dick WIlliams is on the phone regularly with Indians management right now for Iglesias. Those next 2 years at $5 million per is exactly the control Cleveland would go for.

    • Totally agree. We aren’t winning anything in 2 years. Trade him and make Rainey the closer. Get a Centerfielder.

    • Look up prospect Greg Allen for the Indians and tell me if he would be a perfect match.

    • What are you insane the reds should not trade Iglesias to the Indians the Indians don’t need another pitcher those two will come back from their injuries plus we wouldn’t get anything thing back in the trade except for a few young minor leaguers. Also I believe the reds should trade Hamilton, Gennett, or Senzel those are guy we could trade Iglesias is out of the question because for one if Iglesias gets traded who play Closer?

      • HI, Jackson. I have not seen you comment before here – welcome to RLN! Congratulations on being wise enough at 14 to head to a site that will help you learn and converse well about our Reds. Keep reading the high quality articles on this blog and you will understand why trading Iglesias now makes sense – if the Reds get a big haul for him. The Reds have a set of young, power arms that could be cultivated into high leverage guys, including the so-called ‘closer’. As for trading guys like Hamilton, we have to hope that his performance improves a bit and some team loves his specialty skills for a post-season run and is willing to send something of value for him. Right now, the odds are that no team will give much of anything for him.

    • I like the idea of trading Iglesias, but to double down (or triple down) on top-shelf prospects, not to help the Indians win a WS ring. Williams would have to ask for Mejia & McKenzie plus Chang to make the deal work for the Reds . Even so, Chang is a marginal improvement at best over Peraza. Mejia would bolster the Reds catching for the next several years & McKenzie is a very good sp prospect. No way Cleveland gives up that much in my opinion. The Reds need a solid upgrade @ cf &/or ss in order to give up Iglesias. I don’t see it from Cleveland

    • Agree. Hou, Atl, Phi, Bos, Min also have strong need for Iglesias. Giles, Neris, Vizcaino are shaky. Kimbrell is FA after this year. Possibly Sea, Tor, Stl, Chi, AZ, LAD may also have strong interest in Iglesias.

    • My biggest concern is that I don’t know how this team really gets better by trading for prospects. As far as I can tell, the bullpen is coming together around Iglesias, Peralta, Garrett and Brice. Other than centerfield, we’ve got a pretty good core of young hitters, Senzel soon (and hopefully as good as advertised) plus Votto. Starting pitching is obviously not very good, and it’s really hard to tell which direction guys like Castillo is going. Hopefully, Hunter Greene turns into a major league starter. After that, what prospect are we really trading for? Looks to me that a lot of good pitching prospects are either part of a rebuilding team’s farm system or are already in the majors playing for a contender. My point is that if we intend to be contenders soon, we’ll probably have to find good starting pitching in free agency or in a trade for a current major league pitcher rather than continually trading down for prospects. It’s possible to be perpetually rebuilding.

      • You are absolutely correct,keep trading for prospects is a 50/50 proposition,they are nothing more than maybes,reds need manor league players

        • Is this Walt Jocketty? He wanted MLB-ready players and we got low-ceiling mediocrity. no team is going to trade a good, young players that is already performing in MLB for Iglesias, at least no one as good as Iglesias. They will trade a headache, a prospect that is now in MLB but struggling or hard to coach..

          You go for the upside/youth because the other team isn’t sold on them yet either and you can usually get two or three very promising players for one 70 inning reliever. DO IT. A relief pitcher that will be a big $$$ FA in two years is NOT anything the Reds need for future contention because they will NOT be resigning a $12-15 million a year relief pitcher…you know it and I know it and that is what Iglesias will cost IF he reaches best-case scenario, which is the only reason to keep him around.

      • That’s always a fine line. Building for the future vs perpetually rebuilding. You are right. The Reds need to be careful not to fall off that ledge. That’s how you get “the lost decade”.

  2. Sal Romano’s barehand catch on Star Wars night has me at least 57% convinced that he is an actual Jedi.

  3. Chad don’t fret about Winker, they commented on TV tonight that “Riggleman said the outfield rotation that he inherited, will come to an end at some point in the not to distant future”. Its becoming pretty apparent that Winker is going to have one of those spots when the musical chairs stop.

    • At this point Duvall has to be the odd man out.

      Billy’s D isn’t quite as important at home but his role in CF doesn’t present a ready candidate apparently.

      • Winker every day in left. Schebler in right when Billy plays and in center when Duvall plays.

    • Riggleman specifically stated that the OF rotation would disappear in a week to 10 days. That statement was made prior to the current homestand, 5 days ago. That timeframe takes the schedule through the end of the homestand, 9 total games of a continued OF rotation.

      Billy Hamilton: 568 games and 2291 PA
      Adam Duvall: 393 games and 1525 PA
      Scott Schebler: 259 games and 917 PA
      Jesse Winker: 76 games and 242 PA

      Someone please tell me what 9 more games is going to miraculously clarify after more than 350 games and 1500 PA for Hamilton and Duvall? If the coaches and management roundtable making all the decisions as a group effort, with BC’s opinion (but he’s not telling them what to do), then the only two players needing more playing time would be Winker and Schebler. Wouldn’t it make more sense that Winker and Schebler would be playing every inning of every one of those 9 games? The front office management structure for the Reds is an unmitigated disaster. They need 9 more games to make a decision after 3+ years? Hogwash!

      • Agree Cossack.Why oh why are we discussing that Billy may be turning the corner in year 5?That is soooooooo silly.

      • You do remember that in Adam Duvall’s 1st full season in the ML he made the All Star team. Mostly on the votes of his peers. That’s not hogwash- unless you dramatically discount the judgement of other ML players.

        • “Past performance is not indicative of future results”. There’s a reason why that statement is required in all financial disclosures and prospectus and it applies equally to baseball – especially as a player gets older. In other words, we have to take what Duvey did a couple of years ago with a big grain of salt.

      • Cossack I think what is going on is they are waiting to see if Duvall is going to come out of the slump he has been in since the mid point of last season. If he can’t, which it’s looking more and more like he’s not gonna, than he’s gonna lose out to Billy based mostly on defense, even though neither are hitting much.

      • A trade could be imminent. I don’t think the FO has ever stopped trying to trade Billy. Riggleman’s job in this scenario is to maximize their trade value by not completely benching any of them.

      • Yeah, that’s pretty much it.

  4. Lots of 3-2 counts from Romano. Pitch efficiency is crushing

    • Yes. He also tends to get the first two guys out fairly quickly, then run up his pitch count getting the third out.

      He had about 40 pitches after 2 innings, reflecting an ongoing issue with taking a while to settle in.

      Still, he’s only 24, and as a whole his work is encouraging.

      • He was missing with his off speed stuff early which drove upbhis pitch count. He got out of trouble though. I thought he could have gone one more inning but the offenses inability to add on despite lots of opportunities early forced riggleman to shorten the leash.

      • Wang had 50

  5. Also meant to comment on number of runners the reds left on base tonight. Had the Marlins pitchers on the ropes in several innings and never got that rbi hit

  6. A win is a win especially against the Jeter (Miami) Marlins.

    • Frankly, the Reds played a good game for a change. Good pitching, good defense, & a couple HR. Another timely hit or 2 & they could have busted the game wide open. If they get that kind of effort from D. Hernandez on a regular basis, this becomes a deep Reds bullpen. Plus the return of Garrett & Lorenzen will help even more. I’m still not happy with the rotation, but the bullpen is shaping up (slowly).

  7. I think we should think about resigning Hughes and Hernandez. I also think the Reds should think about moving Robert Stephenson to the starting rotation.

    • When he starts throwing strikes enough (not walking a ton of people, gets walks under 4 per 9 innings at a minimum), he will be a great candidate for the rotation. Until then, he needs to keep working on it, preferably at AAA. Track his progress through the drop down menu above (40 man roster): http://m.reds.mlb.com/player/596112/robert-stephenson?year=2018&stats=career-r-pitching-minors.

    • Hughes & D. Hernandez are both signed through the 2019 season. I’m not sure I’d extend either of them past 2019 yet. As for Robert Stephenson, the Reds have been thinking in terms of him being in the rotation for several years. He’s just not ready yet.

  8. The pitching will be up and down but we need to settle on the lineup and stop this platoon in the outfield.Not sure why we need to find out anything about Billy.Try Scot in center,try Herrera or somebody from the minors and lets see if we have the next guy in house.No need to trade until the break and then hope somebody will anty up for Iggy.He has a friendly contract and we need to hold out for at least two good prospects.The pitching will sort itself out but we also need to sort out the rest of this roster.Its the young guys that need to play.

  9. In the last seven games, Winker is batting .280. Schebler is batting .269. In the last 7 games, Hamilton is batting .300. Bet you didn’t know that. Duvall odd man out with average only .192 but SLG best at .538. The four-headed OF rotation will sort itself out in time. Not to worry.

    • Sezwhom? If you want to base your assessments on only 7 games, Vegas is calling and they want your life savings.

  10. I would have liked to see Romano face at least 1 more batter, and then hopefully have a chance to finish the inning. He was only at 93 pitches and didn’t seem to have “lost steam”. I thought the hook came a little too quickly tonight.

  11. “Reports that the Reds have started rebuilding and are looking to slash payroll are not true owner Bob Castellini says. “We’re not rebuilding. If we were Johnny Cueto’d be gone,” he says. “Mike Leake’d be gone. The payroll is up.”…12/20/14

    • Why post this on a thread when they won?

      Solid win led by the young guys. They’re not perfect, but they’re learning and showing flashes…

      • I think Doofus meant to post that on Wes’ post about the Braves and Reds and their respective rebuilds. Wes stated that the rebuild started after 2014 and Doofus said that it didn’t start in earnest until 2015 (which is correct). I think the quote was just some evidence to support him and he posted it in the wrong thread.

  12. I’m looking for a resolution of a couple mysteries: why isn’t Winker a regular in the lineup, and why isn’t Garrett a part of the starting pitching staff when those starting now rarely go beyond the 4th. or 5th. inning? Also here’s hoping the FO is ready in a few months to trade Iglesias for prospects that include a centerfielder to cover that important position for the next few years.

  13. Someone with a better understanding of defensive metrics comment on Winkers RF and LF numbers . The eye test tells me he is ok in LF and not Ok in RF. The fangraphs numbers from 2017 /18 seem.to indicate a big difference as well.

    He needs to bat leadoff and play LF only everyday.

  14. Attended the Star Wars game at GABP. My highlight: Big Sally cleanly barehands a one hopper hit back to him from the Marlin batter, Chen, in the 3rd. Throws him out with a crisp throw. It’s the little things, overlooked or ignored, that make baseball a nice way to end a work week. Oh yea, I wrote last night in my diary: “Was it a dream? Thought I saw the Reds win……”

  15. The Reds and the Marlins should make a friendly wager. If the Reds win the series, Mr. Redlegs gets to eat Billy the Marlin. If the Marlins win, Billy the Marlin gets to eat Mr. Redlegs. Either way, someone would die, seats would be filled, and ratings would soar.

    • As a vegetarian, I’m strongly opposed. As a Reds fan, I’m all for it. As a curious person, I’m wondering what an unfriendly wager might look like.

  16. A plus in the game was that Riggleman didn’t pull any punches with Wandy Peralta. He promptly issued a 4 pitch BB and was yanked immediately. Then Hernandez pitched out of a 1 out bases loaded jam without giving up a run. It was a huge outing for Hernandez. The bullpen has lacked that fireman to put out the fires. Maybe since Sam LeCure’s best days.

    • Totally agree. Loved the yanking of Peralta there. Any reliever who walks a first batter on four pitches should always get the hook.

    • LeCure! Haven’t thought about him in a long time. He did have a good stretch didn’t he.

      • Isn’t he going to the booth soon? Should be fun. And Riggleman cut my verbal abuse of Wandy short. If the guy would consistently throw strikes he’d be an ace. But you could say that for half the ML pitchers these days.

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About Chad Dotson

Blame Chad for creating this mess. Chad launched Redleg Nation in February 2005, and has been writing about the Reds ever since. His first book, "The Big 50: The Men and Moments That Made the Cincinnati Reds" is now available in bookstores and online, at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and wherever fine books are sold. You can also find Chad's musings about the Cincinnati Reds in the pages of Cincinnati Magazine. You can email Chad at chaddotson@redlegnation.com.

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