The Short Version: One day after collecting 20 hits and 15 runs, the Reds return to form with a one run outing, and the Twins snapped an eight-game losing streak. The Cincinnati Reds: Good For What Ails Ya’.

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (6-21) 1 6 2
Minnesota Twins (9-13) 3 8 0
W: Odorizzi (2-2) L: Romano (1-3) S: Rodney (3)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score

The Good
–Scott Schebler once again destroyed a baseball, a solo home run — his third of the season — in the top of the second that gave the Reds a 1-0 lead. Schebler finished the day 1-3 with a walk. He only has 45 plate appearances thanks to a stint on the disabled list (after being hit by a pitch on his right elbow), but in those 45 times to the plate, he has posted a strong .317/.378/.585 line.

–Devin Mesoraco collected two of the Reds’ six hits, including his first double of the season, and he also added a walk.

–Austin Brice and Dylan Floro combined for 3.1 innings of shutout relief.

The Bad
–Scooter Gennett makes his daily appearance here, with his fourth error of the season. Jesse Winker also committed an error, his first of the year.

Not-So-Random Thoughts
–I like it better when the Reds win, like yesterday. Unfortunately, the Reds unwisely scored their weekly allotment of runs last night, and had only one left over for today.

–Starter Sal Romano had a shutout going into the fourth inning, but surrendered two runs. A leadoff single led to an Eduardo Escobar RBI double. Winker bobbled the ball, permitting Escobar to advance to third base, where he later scored on a sac fly.

The score was still 2-1 Twins in the fifth, but Romano was unable to escape the inning. Big Sal gave up a leadoff homer to Mitch Garver, which was followed by a double from Ehire Adrianza. Brian Dozier then lined into a double play, but Joe Mauer walked and Eddie Rosario singled, and Romano’s day was done at that point. (Fortunately, Brice entered and shut down the rally.)

Final line for Romano: 4.2 innings, 3 runs allowed (2 earned) on 6 hits and two walks, striking out 1. Sal threw 89 pitches.

–The Reds threatened twice after that. In the seventh, Adam Duvall led off with a ground-rule double, knocking Minnesota starter Jake Odorizzi out of the game. After a Mesoraco single, the Reds had runners on the corners with no outs. What followed was predictable (if you’ve ever watched the Reds before): Billy Hamilton popped out, Jesse Winker struck out, Jose Peraza flew out to right field.

Then, down 3-1 in the top of the ninth, the Reds tried to get something going thanks to characteristic wildness from Minnesota closer Fernando Rodney. Schebler walked to lead off the inning. After a Duvall fly out, Mesoraco also drew a walk, bringing the go-ahead run to the plate. What followed was predictable (if you’ve ever watched the Reds before): Tucker Barnhart and Jesse Winker popped out.

–There is no question in my mind that Schebler is going to be more valuable than Adam Duvall in every season going forward. At least until Duvall hits age 50, and gets to play on the senior tour.

–Tyler Mahle will head to the hill tomorrow to see if the Reds can actually win a series!

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30 Responses

  1. sezwhom

    There is no question in my mind that Schebler is going to be more valuable than Adam Duvall in every season going forward.

    Truth be told, you should focus your vitriol more towards Hamilton than Duvall.

    • Chad Dotson

      Or, alternately, I could write about whomever I want.

      And I’ve never directed a single ounce of “vitriol” toward Duvall. I compared Schebler and Duvall because they are corner outfielders.

  2. cfd3000

    Hamilton failed completely at the plate twice. With 1st and 3rd and none out as you described, but also two innings earlier with 2nd and 3rd and one out. That was the difference in the game. And everyone knew there was no way BHam could generate RBI’s in that situation, including the manager who pinch hit Tucker Barnhart for Billy on the 9th. If he’s not a good enough hitter to bat in his normal slot, why is he starting in the first place? Hamilton needs to be a pinch running and defensive replacement specialist. I love Billy’s speed and defense but this hitting “experiment” needs to end.

    • Jim Walker

      Rosell Herrera, 25, was a SS in the lower minors who was converted to a CF. He is also a switch hitter, Hmmm… Just saying it might be interesting to give him a look.

    • greenmtred

      Everybody but Schebler failed in that game. The day before BH was on base 3 times, with an RBI triple. I agree: He’s not a good hitter and should be used in a way that emphasizes his strengths, but but he is not the only under-peforming Red, nor is he the reason that they are playing poorly. I’d add that Duvall seems to have started to hit the ball a little, so it may turn out that the obits are premature.

  3. B-town Fan

    The mini box score at the top show the Twins with 8 errors, I think it was 0. As bad as the Reds have played I think they would have won if the Twins had committed 8 errors, at least I hope so. Right?

    • Chad Dotson

      Oops. Fixed now. Thanks.

      If the Twins had actually committed 8 errors, you’re right…the Reds would have had a fighting chance.

  4. WVRedlegs

    Reds took their vampire bats to Minnesota. They came out at night but didn’t dare show themselves in the daylight of mid-afternoon.

    • Jim Walker

      Looking out the window just now as I type, it does look like a full moon or at least pretty darn close to one. Maybe Sunday according to some website that I just googled up.

  5. Ernest

    On a positive note, the Reds pitching WAR may have improved to be better than -1.0.

  6. VaRedsFan

    Love how you snuck in the GO HOOOS picture

  7. Ernest

    The Reds utilization of Garrett is perplexing, at least he leads the team in WAR.

    Also, the Reds no longer have the worst record in MLB

    • Shchi Cossack

      The battle for the #1 selection in the 2019 rule 4 draft begins…?

  8. old-school

    The Reds are 6-21 and things could not get worse could they?
    90 wins 4 years in a row is now very likely. Historically awful April meets the worst losing era since the Great Depression. Nick Senzel is now injured. Could anything be worse?

    Well, yes. It can and it is.The Cincinnati Reds Civil War. It is here. It is real. It is obstructing the rebuild.

    Its not in the infield. The corners are set. No one suggests Scooter Gennett will be playing 2b next year. Its apparent that Jose Peraza gets a long look at SS.

    Its not in the bullpen.
    Its not in the rotation. Yes Garrett should be starting.

    Where is the institutional infighting? Where is the Reds Civil War?

    The outfield.

    Scott Schebler is 26 and has absurd power and exit velocity. he needs to play. Most folks don’t dispute that.

    The Reds broadcasters unloaded on Jesse winker today – like nothing that has been seen in decades, perhaps since the Marty Brennamen ” and another bonehead play by Lenny Harris” diatribe.

    Jesse winker is a rookie. He is 23. He has the most advanced hitting approach of any Reds prospect since Joey Votto. In a season of historic offensive ineptitude, he is in the top 10 in the NL in OBP. He didn’t play well the last 2 games. He’ s also not a right fielder. Quit playing him there. Yet, The Reds hired guns did a hit job today….again. They attacked his character and his work ethic. He’s 23. He’s a rookie.

    Ironically, Billy Hamilton had symbolically his worst offensive game ever. He butchered a bunt and was called out and popped up twice with less than 2 outs and runners in scoring position. He’s had 2200+ at bats. He makes $5 million dollars. He turns 28 in September. If the Reds want to talk work ethic and practice before games and which Reds players cant do things that 10 year olds can……well …..Why cant Billy Bunt?

    Adam Duvall is nearing 30. Jesse Winker is 23. I think Winker can improve his defense if he plays every day in LF and be a key player for the next 5 years. Duvall is hitting .175. He turns 30. This is a 6-21 team. He’s not the answer in 2020.

    The Outfield Civil War is here. Bob and Walt like their guys and have issued orders to the broadcasters to attack their own. Its time for RLN to bring the brown paper bags to GABP. Send a message to Bob and Walt things can get worse and they will, until they develop a modern approach to the baseball.

      • lwblogger2

        Almost assuredly. 100 loses is certainly possible, if still unlikely.

    • Jim Walker

      I was in and out today and missed Winker’s error or misplay. It seemed like Winker was having a not particularly good game in any facet of play today. This happens to everyone from time to time; and, it is not unusual to see a guy mess up in the field on the same day he isn’t having a great day at the plate either, especially a young guy.

      On the other hand I’ve not been impressed with his base running or fielding. Maybe he would do better in LF; we will only find that out if they play him there. Maybe he will learn the tricks of the trade which can make a guy who is neither quick nor fast a decent base runner. Time will also tell the tale there. And as long as he can get on base like he has so far this season, he will be granted the time. If he ends up being something more like Adam Dunn than Jay Bruce that is not a bad outcome.

  9. Jim Walker

    On a slow night after a blah game Mark Sheldon posted this about Luis Castillo’s struggles and the thinking of the Reds brain trust about them

    Warning: Sheldon’s article uses the word “changed arm angle” and “flattened fastball”.
    The last time I recall these terms being used in conjunction, the subject was what had happened to Cody Reed. Let’s hope Castillo’s issues get settled quickly and more effectively.

  10. Jack

    Can’t win them all. Just,split or win each series and good things will happen. They have a chance to win the series tomorrow.

  11. bouwills

    Several years ago the Reds had this exciting young outfielder who played excellent defense & was arguably the best baserunner in the game.He couldn’t hit , get on base very well, & not very effective at bunting. All most everyone @ this site (& sites like this one) said “Play him, the hitting will come, he’ll become more pitch selective, he’ll improve his bunting”. Well, Billy never did. Now the Reds have a young outfielder who’s pretty good at the plate, but can’t field very well, has developed very little power (for a corner outfielder), & not a good baserunner. Everybody says ” Play him, the defense will come, the power will come., he’ll run the bases better”. There’s a place for a 23 year old who can’t field his position, or run the bsaes well yet. It’s called Louisville.

    • Aaron Bradley

      If we could combine the two we’d have a golden player. But Winker is a hitter, therefore we need him in the lineup. Then you sub Billy in late game when Winker gets on base, for speed and defense. Problem solved, just relegate Billy to the bench where he belongs. Winker isn’t going to cost us runs every game, he didn’t cost us the game today, the offense only scored 1 run. Well if he had hit better maybe they would have scored more than 1, but he is showing the ability to get on base and that trumps corner outfield defense. Base running will improve over time how can it not? Until then just run conservatively… its really not hard to follow the base running coaches instructions that’s all he needs to do on the basepaths.

      • Bill

        I think Hamilton makes perfect sense as the fourth outfielder. His set of skills plays perfectly as the late inning replacement in close games. If someone gets on base in the 9th inning of a one run game we know he can get from first to home, getting to first has been the struggle. The only issue I see with keeping him is the arbitration raise that will be coming makes him an expensive bench piece for a small market club. For this reason it may be worth looking into some sort of extension to lock in a lower rate and give Hamilton some financial security beyond the next couple of years. This also give Castellini his wish of Hamilton being a Red for life.

        Put Winker in RF, Schebler in LF, trade for a true CF and use Hamilton in a way to maximize his skills.

      • Mason Red

        On a competitive playoff contending team Hamilton would be a complete asset. Teams would let him bat at the bottom of the order without any question. They would say just concentrate on playing gold glove defense and saving runs. Actually the BRM had a player like that in Dave Concepcion when he first came up. Ultimately Davey became a good hitter but the pressure was off early in his career because that team didn’t need his offense. The Rebuild Reds don’t have that luxury and I’m not sure Hamilton will ever develop offensively like Concepcion did. I say trade him BUT I’m sure the current FO would screw that up royally.

      • greenmtred

        Winker didn’t cost us the game, no, but he cost a run, and that could have cost the game. Of course he’s not going to cost runs every game, but he’s also not going to score or drive in runs every game. Getting on base doesn’t automatically result in scoring, just as a poor defensive play doesn’t always result in being scored upon.

    • greenmtred

      Winker is too good a hitter to send down. He’s not a great fielder, but (eye test) not awful, either. His error yesterday was the sort even good outfielders make from time to time. He might look better in left, though he did make a decent throw yesterday. Players who excell, compared to their peers, in every aspect of the game are rare. The Reds have none, though Suarez might be close. So you try to balance and hope you get enough of everything.

    • Jim Walker

      The difference for me comes down to the old but true axiom that you can’t steal your way onto base. The corollary to that one is, if you hit, they will find a place for your bat in the line up. As long as Winker OBPs in the 40% range all he needs to do otherwise is avoid TOOTBLANs and play something at least approaching low average corner OF. Of course he should push himself to continue improving on the bases and in the field; but 40% OBP will earn him every opportunity to do that.

  12. WVRedlegs

    RLN introduces this new dark gray background and the Reds get off to their historical worst start ever. The dark gray goes away.
    RLN re-introduces the dark gray background on the day Nick Senzel has a major injury.
    I could give you a suggestion or two on this new dark gray background.

    • greenmtred

      Without seeing the suggestions, I expect that I’d agree with them. I thought it was just fine before. And what if there is some sort of sneaky voodoo-karma confluence of seemingly unrelated events going on? You can’t be too careful.

  13. bouwills

    My point to the Hamilton/ Winker comparison is that not all or even most prospects can learn to perfect their skill sets while playing at the ML level. Surely Suarez & Barnhart have continued to improve year after year & become above average ML players.Hamilton has not substantially improved since he cam to the ML. Currently the Reds are relying on Winker & Peraza to improve parts of their game quite a bit while playing full-time. The Reds will lucky if they bat .500 in this endeavor. Even the ordained one (Nick Senzel) may be better off with a couple more months @ AAA working on his 2nd base defense & honing his hitting skills. Cowboy is right, very few players on the Reds roster are fundamentally sound. The place to learn fundamentals is the minor league.