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Cincinnati Reds Preview — 2018 (and beyond): Second Base

Note: Permit us to introduce Jackson Thurnquist, the newest member of the Redleg Nation family. Jackson will be writing regularly here at the Nation throughout the 2018 season. Please make him feel welcome!

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Until last year, the Reds never had to look further at second base than Brandon Phillips. With his gold-glove defense and MVP smile, Phillips was the rock of the team for over a decade; in fact, from 1997 to 2017, no player had more plate appearances for the Reds than Phillips. In his time with the Reds, Phillips made 3 All-Star teams, won 4 Gold Gloves and 1 Silver Slugger, accumulated 31.8 Wins Above Replacement (second only to Joey Votto during that time), and appeared in 1,614 of 1,782 games played.

After Phillips left (or, was unceremoniously traded to the Braves for a bucket of baseballs after several blocked moves and months of front office tension), the Reds found themselves with an enormous hole in the middle of the infield and no clear heir apparent. Dilson Herrera, the centerpiece of the Jay Bruce trade and briefly presumed “future of second base”, underperformed in AAA to close the 2016 season and had continuing issues with the health of his shoulder. Alex Blandino, the first round pick from 2014, was fresh off his second consecutive poor showing in AA Pensacola and was quickly losing his prospect luster. So the Reds turned to Jose Peraza, the presumptive “shortstop of the future”, and added a last minute waiver wire pickup, bench infielder Scooter Gennett, as insurance. If that sounds muddled, don’t worry, things have only gotten more confusing in the year since.

The Candidates

Jose Peraza: Peraza was acquired from the Dodgers after the 2015 season in the trade that sent Todd Frazier to the White Sox. A former top 100 prospect in the Braves system, Peraza performed well in the second half of 2016 filling in for the injured Zack Cozart, hitting .324/.352/.411 with 21 stolen bases in 74 games. In 2017, he was given the starting second base job to replace Brandon Phillips, and took a massive step back, hitting only .259/.297/.324 with just 20 walks and 18 extra-base hits on the season. In July, he lost the everyday role at second base to breakout star Scooter Gennett. Speaking of…

Scooter Gennett: Gennett spent four years with Milwaukee as a backup second baseman, hitting a lukewarm .279/.318/.420 in 1,637 plate appearances over that time. The Reds picked him up days before Opening Day last season on the waiver wire to provide depth in a strained middle infield. Gennett then decided to spend the year swinging out of his shoes, hitting a remarkable .295/.342/.531 with 27 home runs and a 124 OPS+. With Gennett breaking out and Peraza struggling mightily, manager Bryan Price gave Gennett the everyday role in July, and he is the presumptive starter at second base to begin 2018.

Cliff Pennington: Pennington is a switch hitting utility infielder who will turn 34 in this, his 11th season in the majors. In that time, he has played in 955 games, with 589 coming at shortstop, 208 at second base, and 98 as a pinch hitter. Pennington is the owner of a career .243/.310/.341 batting line, and while a career 79 OPS+ isn’t great, his fielding versatility should make him a valuable bench option around the infield.

Phil Gosselin: Gosselin is a right handed utility infielder who will turn 30 this year. In his five major league seasons thus far, Gosselin has appeared in 256 games, and only started 93 of them; 132 of those 256 appearances have been as a pinch hitter, with another 81 at second base, 26 at third base, and 11 at shortstop. Gosselin’s right handed bat has been more erratic than Pennington’s in his shorter time in the majors; he hit .311/.373/.500 in 44 games in 2015; while also hitting .146/.180/.188 in 40 games last year.

Dilson Herrera: Herrera signed with the Pirates as an international free agent out of Colombia after the 2010 season, and was traded to the Mets in August 2013 as part of a deal that sent Marlon Byrd to the Pirates. At the 2016 trade deadline, the Reds acquired Herrera as the central piece of the Jay Bruce trade, seemingly anticipating him being the second baseman of the future with Phillips clearly on the way out. While he hit moderately well in AAA Louisville after the trade, a sore shoulder would prematurely end his 2016 season and prevent an appearance in the majors. This would be a sign of things to come, as 2017 saw him constantly dealing with nagging shoulder injuries and hitting a disappointing .264/.312/.397 in his abbreviated season in Louisville, before finally going under the knife in what may have been a long-overdue shoulder surgery. Herrera is also out of minor-league options, meaning that the Reds cannot assign him to the minors unless he first passes through waivers, and despite a history of injuries, it’s unlikely he would clear waivers without any of the other 29 teams picking him up.

Alex Blandino: Blandino was a first round draft pick by the Reds in 2014 and began his career as a top rated middle infield prospect. Seen as a bat-first middle infielder with a good arm, Blandino hit well in his brief stops at Rookie Billings, Low-A Dayton, and High-A Daytona, and by fall 2015 found himself already on the fast track at AA Pensacola. It was there he ran into a wall, however – he hit a disappointing .235/.350/.374 in 30 games to finish 2015. He spent all of 2016 in Pensacola and things did not improve – his slashline fell to .232/.333/.337, and many began to wonder loudly if Blandino still represented a viable option in the middle infield going forward. Desperately in need of a good season, Blandino again began the year at AA in 2017, and found his poise at the plate again, hitting .259/.374/.462 with a stellar 13.6% walk rate. He was promoted mid-season to AAA Louisville, where his hot streak continued to the tune of .270/.390/.444 to close out the season.

Shed Long: Long was drafted by the Reds in the 12 th round of the 2013 amateur draft, and wasn’t initially seen as a top rated prospect either nationally or within the Reds system. His breakout came in 2015, when he was promoted to Low-A Dayton. There, he hit a resounding .283/.363/.474 with a 10.4% walk rate. The hot hitting continued throughout 2016 and the first half of 2017, across Dayton and High-A Daytona. However, after a midseason promotion to AA Pensacola, Long missed some time in August to a wrist injury, and after returning, he hit a disappointing .227/.319/.362. A lackluster transition to AA doesn’t seem to have discouraged prognosticators, however, as Long was ranked the #7 prospect in the Reds system and #6 overall second-base prospect in baseball by MLB.com, citing his strong power and solid contact across multiple seasons in Dayton and Daytona. The Reds organization is still high on Shed Long as well; though he’ll likely begin 2018 in AA Pensacola, Long was invited to major league camp this spring and has gotten plenty of looks at the plate and at second.

The Situation

As far as the major league starters go, the situation to open the 2018 season is pretty set in stone right now. Scooter Gennett has rightly earned the everyday second base role, and that job will be his to lose in 2018. Jose Peraza will be the starting shortstop in 2018 – outside of Pennington and Gosselin, neither of which are starting caliber, the Reds don’t have anyone in their system capable of handling shortstop every day besides Jose Peraza, so he’ll get the job almost by default.

From there, things get trickier. If the past is any indicator, the Reds will likely carry two infielders on their bench to start the season. As it stands now, there are four people competing for those two spots: Pennington, Gosselin, Herrera, and Blandino. Pennington and Gosselin are both signed to minor league deals, so the Reds are free to stuff them in AAA if they chose. Blandino is still young and only recently graduated to AAA, and if you still consider him a prospect, you may be adverse to putting him on the bench rather than giving him regular at-bats in Louisville.

Herrera is out of options: he must either join the Reds or face waivers, where he’s unlikely to pass through unclaimed. Given his history of injuries and lackluster performance recently, I would doubt that Herrera represents a legitimate prospect going forward. If I were to guess, I would say that Herrera joins the team as one of the two bench options, and Pennington, with his versatile glove and switch hitting bat, is the other. Blandino will look to continue his bounce back in AAA, while Shed Long hopes to begin his bounce back in AA.

Looking past Opening Day and into the second half of the season, the middle infield becomes harder to project. There are serious doubts about Gennett’s ability to replicate his 2017 success going forward. Gennett’s batted ball profile in 2017 remained largely unchanged from his career norms, and his success seemed spurred by an elevated batting average of balls in play and HR/FB rate, two stats that tend to be difficult to repeat in consecutive seasons. Coupled with questionable defense and bad splits against lefties (.248/.287/.404 last year), and it’s easy to envision Gennett losing the second base job this season.

Additionally, there is one player I’ve yet to name who’s been hanging over the middle infield like a specter this offseason: #1 overall Reds prospect and #7 prospect in all of baseball, Nick Senzel. Though he’s likely to start the year in AAA, Senzel’s elite hitting pedigree will force him onto the big league roster before season’s end, and with Eugenio Suarez manning third base everyday, it’s likely he will join the team at either shortstop or second base. It’s unclear which position he’ll land at – he’s taken reps at both positions this spring, and Price and Dick Williams have said he may bounce around a while before he settles in permanently – but it is almost inevitable that Senzel will eventually find a position and claim it as his own going forward.

Two years down the road becomes almost guesswork. To say what the second base situation may look like on Opening Day 2020 with any certainty would require answers to questions we don’t have yet: will Gennett continue his hot hitting or turn back into a pumpkin? Will Blandino be able to bounce back and reclaim prospect status? Does Shed Long carry his power hitting all the way to the majors? And where does Nick Senzel settle in? These are all unknowns at this point, but since making predictions is more fun than just saying “I don’t know”, let’s make some predictions.

With Gennett regressing back into his Brewer self and the lack of viable options outside of Peraza at short, I’m going to take a guess and say that Senzel spends most of his time at second base once he comes up midseason. As arbitration makes him more expensive, the Reds will
probably look to offload Gennett elsewhere rather than pay him millions to be a platoon option.

Blandino may improve slightly, but I don’t think he’ll be good enough to start on a team trying to contend – he may be a good piece to send to a rebuilding team. Shed Long will continue hit well in the minors, but I doubt he demands a spot on the roster in the way Senzel has. Whether Shed Long becomes the starting second baseman in 2020 may depend on whether or not there is another player on the team underperforming enough to allow Senzel to move to their position.


Opening Day 2018:
Starter: Scooter Gennett
Backups: Dilson Herrera, Cliff Pennington
Minor Leagues: Shed Long (AA), Alex Blandino (AAA)

September 2018:
Starter: Nick Senzel, with some Scooter Gennett
Backups: Dilson Herrera, with some Scooter Gennett
Minor Leagues: Shed Long (AAA), Alex Blandino (AAA)

Opening Day 2020:
Starter: Shed Long (Nick Senzel moving to either SS or a corner OF spot)
Backups: One of either Herrera or Blandino
Minor Leagues: Brantley Bell? (AA)?

23 thoughts on “Cincinnati Reds Preview — 2018 (and beyond): Second Base

  1. The Reds FO and their poor decision-making is what’s causing infield problems. It’s not rocket science.
    Move Suarez to SS, his natural position.Teams move players all the time for up-coming stars.
    Senzel plays 3rd
    Gennet plays 2nd until he’s traded (preferably) or under performs, and then Peraza plays 2nd. No reason for Pennington or Gosselin to be on the team; waste of time and effort. Shed Long or Blandino or Herrera are the backups. If none of these pan out, then go outside of the organization and sign a free agent that’s worth spending the time and money on.
    The Reds have enough players to fill the gaps. Stop accommodating the players and create a team based on what you have versus spinning the wheels and turning to lackluster, outside of the organization solutions in league retreads.

    TL;DR Reds, move Suarez to SS, promote Senzel to 3rd, use what you have for 2nd. If it doesn’t work, sign a good free agent to play 2nd.

    • I hear the idea of moving Suarez back to SS a lot and I understand the inclination, but Suarez was the fourth best defender at third base in the majors last year, and was the second worst defender at shortstop three years ago. (Both according to fangraph’s Def rating). I think the Reds are making the right decision to not fix what isn’t broken with Suarez.

      • What’s broken is SS if Peraza continues to put up a 4% BB rate. The best fielder between Suarez and Senzel at SS should end up there with the other one at 3B.

      • “…Suarez was the fourth best defender at third base in the majors last year, and was the second worst defender at shortstop…”

        Excellent point.

        • Suarez was also league average at 3B in 2016. He’s improved as a defender since he last laced up at SS. He would be better now than he was as a 23 year old in 2015.

      • I will however point out that Suarez was rather brutal at 3B for the first half of 2016. He’s worked really hard on his fielding to be the 3B he is today. I agree with those, including the Reds’ braintrust, that are very hesitant to move him. He has become an excellent 3B. What I don’t necessarily agree with is that he couldn’t become a better SS just as he became a better 3B. He’s earned the right to stay at 3B if he wishes to but if he would be open to moving to SS, it would be at least defensible for the Reds to try him there again. He very well may end up improving at SS just as he did at 3B. Maybe not in the top 5-6 in MLB but to at least an average defender. With his bat, that would make him a very valuable SS. I can at least understand the point people have in wanting him back at SS and my stance on him staying at 3B could change if Peraza continues to struggle and if it turns out Senzel can’t handle SS adequately.

    • Suarez didn’t impress at SS and after the move to 3B has been good defensively. He might be the best choice, but I assume the Reds have looked into this already. With Senzel being named the best minor league 3B he may end up being better defensively at SS than Suarez. Senzel is also not going to be on the team on opening day to preserve team control so you probably aren’t going to see Suarez at 3B for two months then move to SS for Senzel. If it turns out Senzel can’t play SS, he can always move to 2B or 3B when one of the other infielders is traded. I personally want to see a Suarez extension, but if he is opposed to it Senzel is there to take over.

      I think signing a SS with Suarez at 3B (with an extension), and Senzel at 2B, and Votto at 1B would be a niece infield for the future

    • James, so….. you want young players with potential sitting and watching games instead of playing in the minor leagues? Veteran back ups can be important… it’s not easy only getting to play every now and then and it could really slow down development of an up and coming player to only get a couple at bats once a week.

    • Why is everyone so eager to dump Gennett? He is only 28 with an injury free career. What if we are two months into the season and he’s at .280 with 9 bombs? I mean the guy had 97 RBIs last year. If he shows last year wasn’t a fluke by acheiving 80% of it this year, we want to trade him for an uproven talent? Maybe we can get another Peraza or Herrera. How exciting!!!

      • You know, I have been on the “trade Scooter in order to obtain max value” train all offseason. However, what if, and bear with me here, what if Scooter IS the Scott Rolen pickup from 2009? Veteran who was acquired for nothing, hits for some power and continually puts up a positive WAR (do not use RBI as a talent evaluator when someone like Votto hits in front of you every day). There are worse things than having a better than replacement player manning 2B (with regular days off against tough lefties). Best case scenario, Scooter is replicating his 2017 season and Blandino/Long/Herrera are putting up monster numbers in the minors and can be used as a trade piece to address an area of weakness. With a good first half, Long could easily crack the midseason top 100 and could be an attractive piece to a seller at the deadline (Long, Siri and Romano for Kiermaier anyone?).

        I understand that there is a more-than-fair chance that Scooter regresses. But what if he doesn’t? There are legit criticisms of the front office to date, the fact that they are being patient with Scooter is not one of them….at least not yet.

  2. Thank you everybody for the kind welcome. I’m so excited to contribute to the community and write about our favorite team!

  3. Welcome to the Nation, Jackson. I agree with your summation. If things work out, Shed Long will bring athleticism, speed, a solid bat and a great attitude to the Reds.

  4. Welcome aboard Jackson. It is the deepest position in the organization, aside from maybe LF and RHP.
    I’ll throw you a curve on day 1. I know you can’t really add “What ifs”. But, what if the Reds select in the upcoming June MLB Draft a 2B with their #5 overall pick? Oregon State 2B/SS Nick Madrigal. Now things get interesting in the future Reds infield.
    I’d like a top pitcher or bat at #5. Madrigal is injured right now, it might hurt his draftstock, it might not. But he has the bat to go with very good defense.

    • The question with Madrigal is that he is maybe 5’7. Not that it will make a difference. I agree with starting to concentrate on inf, but it is VERY early to be worrying about the draft. Maybe in May when there is a bigger sample.

      • Joe Morgan was 5’7″. Dustin Pedroia is something like 5’6″. I don’t know whether either of them can dunk.

  5. Scooter with 2 walks in 15 atbats….maybe being around Joey is rubbing off? Cozart went from a Peraza style hackmaster to taking some pitches. I can see Scooter hitting 20+ HRs again and maybe a .850 ops vs righties? Price just needs to run Blandino or Dixon out there vs lefties. Long looks good and we’ll see where Senzel ends up? A lot of depth and prob need to move a guy this year.

  6. Welcome Jackson… Nice introductory piece… To pick at it just a little, as I tend to do from time-to-time, I contend that Gennett really wasn’t a “backup second baseman” during his whole 4 years with MIL. He lead the team in games at 2B in 2014 and 2016, with some injuries and so-so performance taking some playing time in 2015. The Reds got a starting caliber 2B off waivers. Not a bad move. Going forward, I don’t see Gennett having the kind of year he had last year though. A year like 2014 isn’t out of the question though.

    I’m also of the opinion that Blandino probably projects as a utility player with a chance to still be a starting player. I’d be on board with him either breaking into the MLB 25-man or with him getting regular starts at AAA. The thing is though, he isn’t getting any younger. You mention the idea of trading him to a rebuilding team sometime in the future when the Reds are in contention. I don’t see him really having any trade value in his age 27-28 seasons with little MLB service time. If it comes down to that, the Reds are probably better served keeping him as a utility player.

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