Over at the Enquirer, Zach Buchanan has the list of all the non-roster players who have been invited to the Cincinnati Reds 2018 spring training camp:

The only players guaranteed spots in big-league spring training are those on the 40-man roster. …

The rest is filled with prospects not yet on the 40-man or players signed to minor-league deals. With the Cincinnati Reds using six spots of the 40-man roster to protect prospects from the Rule 5 Draft, there’s not a lot of intrigue among the non-roster invitees for 2018 spring training.

Check out the entire list of 17 non-roster invitees here. The most interesting name, of course, is Nick Senzel. I think I speak for everyone here when I say that Senzel should be on the 40-man roster very, very soon (because he will have been added to the Reds’ active roster).

Lefty reliever Kyle Crockett was also issued an invitation. Crockett, you will recall, was selected off waivers from Cleveland last month. He was then designated for assignment, and the Reds signed him to a minor league deal with an invite to camp. Steve Mancuso went through some of the reasons why Crockett could be a nice addition to the Reds bullpen. The most important, however, is this: Crockett played his college baseball at the finest institution of higher learning in all the land.

Other familiar names on the list of invitees include Patrick Kivlehan, Barrett Astin, and outfielder Sebastian Elizalde (whose name is almost as fun to say as Lisalverto Bonilla who, incidentally, signed a minor league deal with Cleveland this week, with an invite to their spring camp).

Blame Chad for creating this mess.

Chad launched Redleg Nation in February 2005, and has been writing about the Reds ever since. His first book, “The Big 50: The Men and Moments That Made the Cincinnati Reds” is now available in bookstores and online, at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and wherever fine books are sold. You can also find Chad’s musings about the Cincinnati Reds in the pages of Cincinnati Magazine.

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  1. Know who else they should invite to camp? Manny Machado for SS. Reds have the prospects to get this done…

    • WHY?
      This would not seem like a good idea at all.
      Manny is a FREE AGENT at the end of the year.
      Most think he will sign for 30 – 35 mill per year.
      We will not compete this year, so all the prospects are gone.

      • So sign him! Then you have a major question mark solved for years.

        I am SICK of not competing. next year, they’ll say that 2019 is the year we compete.

        It is time to do something. I agree that you shouldn’t acquire the guy unless you can sign him… So sign him. Do something. Grow a pair. Improve.

        Or, just keep sitting on hands and continue the “sorting” process. Each year the Reds struggle, their irrelevance rises exponentially.

        If the Reds went after Ohtani, then they sure as heck have the cash to sign Manny.

        • I call BS.
          If the Reds sign Ohtani, they paly a 20 Mil posting fee and a major league salary for a couple of years.
          THEY DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY as a small market team to sign many.
          Sorry, but that is the fact.

          • Putting the Machado argument aside, the very idea that the Reds don’t have the money is laughable. They have plenty of money, maybe not enough to compete with LA, CHI, SF, BOS, NYY, but enough to make a wise big signing in free agency once in a while.

            They’ve spent money poorly in the past, on BP, Homer, and Mez – and perhaps Votto, but his contract looks pretty good right now.

            Remember that they basically broke the bank with their international signings a couple of years ago.

            The whole crying poverty thing is nonsense. Reds ownership chooses not to spend the money because they want to maximixe their profit, not because they don’t have it.

            Winning is important. Sustained winning would PRINT money at GABP.

          • Many arguments can be made that Red’s ownership does or does not have money.
            I would agree that they do not have as much money as the Yanks, Red Sox or Cubs, but until I can see their most recent audited financial statements. I do not accept the claim from anyone that the Reds “DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY.”

            I would think it would be wise for all Reds fans to take that same position in order to hold ownership and management responsible.

            Over the years I have witnessed teams whose ownership cried poor and had their fan base believing it, until of a sudden ownership found money to lavish on their players.

        • Ohtani signed for the minimum salary which is slightly less than the $30+ million Machado will demand

          • I agree that the Reds probably have money to spend, but not on a guy who is going to want a multi year deal of 35 mill. a year and will age out before the contract is over. That is talking about another BP signing. But of all the signings you cited Jesse, BP is the only one that was a bad business move. No one could have predicted the injuries to Bailey and Mez. Those are rolls of the dice that you take with any signing. Votto has been a great signing, you have to lock up one of the best players in baseball when you get the chance, so unless you can get Trout to come in here for less money, that is a good deal. And there have been good signings like Chapman and Iglesias. And good trades like Straily for Castillo. And yes there have been bad trades and signings as well, the unfortunate thing for us as fans is that as a small market team those bad ones really stand out, because you can’t hide them.

        • The Reds need a new front office. A team on the field is only as good as the organization at the top. Look at the prospects the Reds received in trades. (as an example (Chapman) I expect they’ll draft a position player in this year’s draft. Pitching
          ranks near the bottom in the Major Leagues. I live and die as a fan of the Reds but realistically I don’t expect them to be playoff bound for many years.

    • Trading away your talent for 1 year of Machado, especially when that year is one in which you have no clue if you will have a pitching staff capable of competing, is probably not a good business decision

      • agree if it is just for one year.

        • You really think Castellini would shell out the $200 million it will take to keep Machado? I wouldn’t give it even 0.0001% chance and wouldn’t bet a penny on it. Maybe when Bailey is off the books AND no one else is signed for more than $10 million except Votto. Until then forget any REAL all-star level players being signed long term.

    • Jesse, I get your desire to make a big move, but I’d rather see a stud SP be signed before Machado. Our offense will be top 4 in NL if they ever get rid of Hamilton and find at least an average offensive CF.

      Our pitching right now looks like maybe one SP1 candidate in Castillo (and that ain’t no given) and a bunch of already injury riddled young arms that may all drop back a peg from their potential to SP3/4/5’s.

      I’d love to see a somewhat proven SP1 to pair with Castillo and make minor upgrades to the offense. We already have several good hitters and cutting the worst low-OBP offenders will fix whatever may still ale the offense.

  2. Maybe Travis Wood will be offered a minor league deal with the Reds. He could join Kyle Crockett as LH hopefuls for the bullpen. Wood has pitched much better as a reliever than a starter.
    I didn’t know that Kyle Crockett played his college ball at Slippery Rock U. (Zing to the Cavaliers.)

  3. We don’t know if there has been any talk but I would like to see a deal with the Yankees or the SNacks for either Estrada or Marte. That should take care of the shortstop question.

  4. Are we back to giving an extra opportunity for former Cardinals? Was surprised to see catcher Tony Cruz’s name there. I had never heard of another catcher on the list, Chad Tromp?

  5. Chad, I thought Crockett went to Virginia?

  6. A bunch of nobody’s. Come one, make a splash.

  7. I am disappointed with the lack of moves this winter thus far. All I hear is crickets. Is DW the GM or is WJ really pulling the strings? I’m sure with all these moves this winter, Bob C. can’t keep up the demand for Reds’ season tickets.

    • A big signing or trade might bring in more ticket sales, but I would guess the sales are more tied to winning. Unfortunately even when the team was winning the stadium had many empty seats.

      The topic of empty seats in a “baseball city” is an interesting discussion which probably could have its own article. Many will point out that ticket prices are high or that it isn’t really a family event with games starting at 7 pm unless you normally keep your kids out until 11 on a school night. While I think moving the games up an hour or dropping prices would improve attendance it doesn’t explain how other small markets get 30,000 fans a night with the same constraints. It would also be interesting to see how much payroll is driven by actual game attendance. Would a sell out crowd every night lead to enough money to pay a big name free agent or would it only buy a veteran utility player? Also how much impact on TV contracts does attendance have, which is a significant amount of money.

      • The “Baseball City ” comment is the laughable one for me. Don’t compare Cincinnati to St Louis . St. Louis is indeed a “Baseball City” . Compare attendance to Milwaukee, with almost the same population and demographics as the Queen City . The Brewers consistently outdraw the Reds year after year no matter how good or bad the team performs on the field. Milwaukee attendance is what the Reds should target. Cincinnati is not really a “Baseball City “, It is just the town with the oldest Professional Baseball Tradition. I’m just glad my favorite team is still in the Queen City period !

        • In 1976 the Reds drew 2.6 mil (32,400 per game) while the Cards drew 1.2 mil (14,900 per game). What happened to Baseball City? The great tradition of Stan Musial, Bob Gibson, etc??? Its funny how habitual winning draws people to your game while habitual losing drives them to do something else.

          • 1979 Reds 2.3 (29.4k per game) Baseball City 1.6 mil (19.8k per game)

            Also slightly outdrew them in 1981 and they won the WS in 82.

        • That is exactly my point. Many claim baseball to be extremely important in Cincinnati, yet there is not a large amount of support even when winning. At the same time the Brewers who also haven’t been good for many years draw more fans. This is why I don’t like the argument that fans are not going to show up if the Reds don’t sign some expensive free agent or that if the Reds trade away some fan favorite. The losing record doesn’t help, but there is something else going on with attendance

          • Milw has a roof so you know the game will be played in April/May showers for one. I went to a few miserable April games in Cincy in my day. I think that was a smart move for Milw! The Reds were 16th in 2012 at 28.9K per game. Better then Toronto, Seattle, Mets, and Cleveland that year. That’s about as good as they’re going to down in a small market. Half of Kentucky can’t afford a car and its too far to walk unless you live in Newport:)

  8. The Reds are a four-time defending 86+ loss team. They are last in their division. This is not a two player fix team. I see a major turnover before they compete with the Cards or Cubs.

    • I have seen teams add one or two players and compete. I don’t see that a “major” overall is needed for the Reds.

      • I agree with that and given the Reds have a bunch of young (but getting older) players, you have to have some optimism one or two will surprise this coming year. If you add one or two key off-season pieces, via trade or free agency, the Reds can EASILY be a wild card contender will into late September. That said, I don’t necessarily have a problem with them standing still this year. Meso comes off the books next year, more young players will be starting in 2019 and playing well (and cheaply) and they should, SHOULD be able to sign a very significant free agent (or two) to fill key holes in offense or pitching. Signing someone now would dent the payroll before they’re ready to go all in.

        There is no right answer, but a move to upgrade this off season would be a nice shot in the arm for fans and attitudes that are slowly dissipating into apathy.

      • We must, MUST have some vision of the rotation for 2019 after this coming season and it must be a very promising vision. As Steve noted weeks ago, 2017 feels like a lost year on that front, due to injuries and too many starts going to crappy pitches like Adleman and Feldman. There weren’t many healthy arms at points, so I see why they both got a few starts, but no reason both should have topped 20 starts each. Price blew that in a big way.

  9. Metro St. Louis has a population of 600,000 plus than metro Cincinnati, and it also has a history of being a two team ML town when the St. Louis Browns, now the Baltimore Orioles, were there from 1902 to 1953. The Cardinals usually draw 3 million plus fans a year. The Reds best attendance record is 2,630,000 in 1976. The Reds attendance will get back above 2 million plus when the next contending team arrives which we are told is on the way. But, in 136 seasons from 1882 to the present, the Reds have exceeded the NL attendance average 53 seasons (39%). That’s not bad considering metro Cincinnati is the second smallest population in the NL. Based on population, history, passion for the game, and 6th. in ML baseball with 5 WS wins and 9 appearances, Cincinnati, in my opinion, still ranks as a great baseball town.

    • Good points. My question is should Dayton be factored into what we are talking about for metro area? That is another 800,000 people.

      • I believe Dayton (Montgomery County) is included in the Cincinnati metro area as well as 2 or 3 counties in No. Ky. and a couple counties in southeastern Indiana.

        • Not part of the metro area, that is just a collection of surrounding counties. It MAY be coonsidered as part of Cincy’s market by MLB baseball, but not part of Cincy’s metropolitan area.

          Atlanta metro area sprawls as much as any city in the country, but even it doens’t include Athens, Chattanooga, Macon or Columbus.

          • You are correct. Greater Dayton is it’s own CSA (combined statistical area) as of the 2010 census. Most of the population increase is in the northern part of the Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington CSA so eventually the census might combine Greater Cincinnati and Great Dayton in one CSA. For ML baseball the two population centers are considered as one in all likelihood.

    • Agreed. Cincy is a great baseball town, but a history of bad, cheap ownership and somewhat rudderless front offices the last 35 years

  10. Dick Williams on MLB NOW on why he is not inclined to trade away vets with contracts during a “rebuild”: “I believe in maintaining consistency in the clubhouse.”

    • The comment you are referencing was his response to why he didn’t trade Votto. He never said he is not trading veterans. He said Votto was the type of leadership he wanted in the clubhouse, Votto would still be good in the window of contention, and also that Votto doesn’t want to leave

  11. DW proclaims he was intent on getting Ohtani to come to the Reds.

  12. We got made fun of on MLB…they said the Baltimore Orioles management and ownership was failing to do anything to improve, the Reds of the AL. Yikes.

  13. Here are some quotes from BC and the Williams brothers:

    “We will bring championship baseball to Cincinnati.”

    “As partners in other successful baseball organizations we know how it’s done. We will build a winning management team by putting the right people in the right positions with the right resources to win. We will foster a winning attitude and culture.”

    “The Reds are, after all, your team. You buy the tickets. You watch the games. You support us financially and emotionally. Without you, the Reds cannot be great. We know you won’t be happy until the team wins. We won’t be happy, either.”

    http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/cin/fan_forum/owner_letter.jsp

    What they left out was that “We will B.S. you about what we are doing to achieve all of the above until your eyes glaze over, because after all it’s really about us owners making a profit, large or small, not winning that really counts for us.”

  14. An interesting tidbit about Reds Hot Stove arose on Christmas Eve from MLBTradeRumors.com. Apparently, the reason that the Billy Hamilton trade talks with the Giants slowed down was that we wanted Heliot Ramos, an 18-year old CF in the SFG system.

    It sounds like the two teams are still talking, but I find it unlikely that the Reds will see anything worth trading for now that Ramos is off limits and even Arroyo was traded away.

    • The Giants don’t seem to be a very good trade partner. They have little in the minors beyond Ramos that would interest the Reds. The Reds really only have a few needs on the major league roster and the Giants don’t have anything to fill them. They don’t have a CF, which is why they want Hamilton. Arroyo before being traded wasn’t viewed as a SS by many and the Reds already have multiple 2B. The only thing left is the unanswered questions with the pitching, and Hamilton is going to return Bumgardner or Cueto.

      • Agree. At least it sounds like the Reds may stick to demanding a high return (Ramos or bust?)

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Blame Chad for creating this mess. Chad launched Redleg Nation in February 2005, and has been writing about the Reds ever since. His first book, "The Big 50: The Men and Moments That Made the Cincinnati Reds" is now available in bookstores and online, at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and wherever fine books are sold. You can also find Chad's musings about the Cincinnati Reds in the pages of Cincinnati Magazine.

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