2017 Reds / Titanic Struggle Recap

Recap: Cubs hammer Reds, 9-0. One game remains.

The Short Version: In the penultimate game of the 2017 season, the Reds laid yet another egg. Please let this season end soon. Please?

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (67-94) 0 8 1
Chicago Cubs (92-69) 9 10 0
W: Lester (13-8) L: Stephens (2-1)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score

The Good
–The 2017 season is nearly over.

The Bad
–Jackson Stephens gave up four runs on four hits and three walks in just four innings. Still not sure why he and Deck McGuire are starting games instead of Cody Reed.

–Asher Wojciechowski pitched a scoreless fifth inning, and looked pretty good doing it. Then he gave up three hits and a walk in the next inning, permitting four runs (though the first two of those runs scored on a bloop to right field that Scott Schebler lost in the sun).

Wojo wasn’t helped by Ariel Hernandez, who entered and could not throw a strike if his professional life depended on it. He bounced a wild pitch to the plate (not the last wild pitch of the inning) and runners moved up into scoring position. Hernandez then induced a sac fly, but walked each of the next three batters. By the time he had finished the inning, the Reds were losing 8-0 and Hernandez had thrown just 8 strikes in his 23 pitches.

–Scooter Gennett made another error. Count me among the biggest fans of Scooter’s acquisition, but sheesh, that guy is not very good with the glove. Or perhaps we’ve been spoiled for the last eleven years.

–Joey Votto struck out three times, if you can believe it.

Not-So-Random Thoughts
–Adam Duvall was 3-3 with a double and a walk. Jose Peraza was 2-3, but was caught stealing once.

–Zach Vincej got his first big league hit, if you’re into that sort of thing. (Congrats, Zach!)

–When he was hit by a pitch in the sixth inning, Votto reached base for the 31st consecutive game. That was also the 319th time Votto has reached base in 2017, which ties his own franchise record, set back in 2015.

–The fifth inning ended with an epic duel between Wojo and Chicago’s Tommy LaStella that lasted 17 pitches. LaStella fouled off 12 pitches with two strikes. On the 17th and final pitch of the AB, Wojo threw a backdoor slider that caught LaStella looking.

–There are only 27 outs remaining in the 2017 Cincinnati Reds baseball season.

–This is my final game recap of the 2017 season, gang. Thanks to all of you for sticking with us throughout this often difficult season.

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27 thoughts on “Recap: Cubs hammer Reds, 9-0. One game remains.

  1. Have enjoyed the writing here at Redleg Nation. Perhaps we will have better things to write and read next year.

  2. Thanks Chad for all of the great recaps this year.

    If we win tomorrow our 2016 and 2017 records will be identical.

  3. Well, we’ve locked in at least the 5th pick. The 4th is still in reach. Last year there were about 5 guys considered in the 1st pick range. This is a good spot for the Reds to be in.

    • With a loss we have the 4th pick, and possible the 3rd.
      With a win, maybe as low as 5th.
      Go Cubs (I feel bad writing that)

  4. Chad,

    Thanks for all of the recaps.

    -Today was the first time since June 28th that Duvall has had 3 hits in a game.
    Hopefully, he gets a home run tomorrow and ends that long drought, and finishes an awful second half on a high note.

    -Cardinals!

    My dislike is purely from jealousy.

    Down 6-0, they come back and win 7-6, eliminating the Brewers from playoff contention.
    Much respect for that.
    An organization that the Reds should aspire to emulate.

  5. Votto looked a little ticked off by that HBP. Long stare at the pitcher.
    He had 3K’s today, for the 2nd time this year.

  6. The year is over.
    The Reds lost 90+ games again.
    The SP was generally bad. The bullpen at best was mediocre. The hitting was generally above average

    SP- Castillo is the pitching story of the year. Mahle and Romano made positive strides and go into 2018 deserving of a shot. Stephenson for 2018 is trending upwards mildly.
    Homer Bailey finished strong. Finnegan and Disco are uncertain.

    RP- Iglesias had a strong year. Lorenzen took a step back. I believe he had an identity crises created by the Reds. HIs biggest issue is his 2 seam fastball against lefty hitters. He doesn’t pitch inside and lefties now crush his 2 seam fastball.

    Bryan Price likes to say he wants no handedness from the bullpen. That sounds good but isn’t reality -a Price theme. The Cardinals swept the Reds with their situational left handers making a big contribution. I would like to see Peralta, Reed, and Finnegan as a deep lefty bullpen. Situational matchups matters in the late innings.

    Billy Hamilton was exactly the same player.
    Schebler was an elite power hitter, but also flawed. Gennett is a good left handed hitter.
    Joey Votto has peaked. Repeat….he cant be any better. He is 34 now.
    Tucker Barnhart is solid.
    Eugenio Suarez did what everyone said he could do.
    The Reds didn’t have a shortstop succession plan for Zach Cozart. That’s a big ?
    Jesse Winker is the best young Reds hitter since Joey Votto. The Reds don’t want that known for some reason.. Shhhhhh!!!!!!!

    The Reds lost upward of 95 games. Surprised that the FO brought back Price. Let the offseason commence.

    • On Lorenzen….His problem was his curve. He hangs them often. They go a long way afterward. He would get ahead of hitters and flip that hanger up there in the zone, when he need to start the breaking pitch in the zone and break it out.

      On Votto…I agree, this was his best season ever. He finally became aggressive on hittable strikes (tons of damage on the 1st pitch). He didn’t sacrifice plate discipline like everybody thought he would.

      On the bullpen…Shows how important it is, and shouldn’t just be thrown together with unpolished guys. Bottom line…The Reds won a TON of games in April – June, with historically AWFUL starting pitching because the bullpen was so good. Even when the starting pitching got better, the wins stopped coming because the bullpen failed miserably. Sometimes the answers are easy.

      • You are right, Lorenzen has a lot to clean up. I remember a great 3-2 slider/curve he threw to Goldschmidt with the bases loaded to strike him out in July. Where did that guy go? The Happ 3 run home run was a 2 seamer thigh high down Broadway. I’ve not seen him command the inside part of the plate to lefty hitters.

    • I think the Reds had a succession plan for SS. The plan was Hererra and/or Gennet at 2B and Peraza at SS. Peraza just hasn’t been as good as they’d hoped.

  7. Big Bob will grant Price a 5 year extension for his continual masterpiece seasons . Model of consistency he is.

    • Sadly, you’re probably be right on the Extension. Reds = Bengals bringing back someone who really shouldn’t be there. Everyone knows it except the Front Office.

  8. I got so excited when i saw the headlines this morning that said that “Price Resigns”….Turns out it was the wrong Price – drats!

  9. The final game of the 2017 season is upon us. The Reds are now in contention for the #4 selection, with at least the #5 selection in the rule 4 draft already secured.

    Three teams vying for the first 3 selections in the 2018 rule 4 draft:
    63-98 (.391) —— SF
    64-97 (.398) +1.0 DET
    65-96 (.404) +2.0 PHI

    Two teams vying for the #4 selection in the 2018 rule 4 draft:
    67-94 (.416) +4.0 CWS (CWS plays at CLE)
    67-94 (.416) +4.0 CIN (CIN plays at CHC)

    Three teams vying for the #6 selection in the 2018 rule 4 draft:
    70-91 (.435) +7.0 NYM
    71-90 (.441) +8.0 SD
    71-90 (.441) +8.0 ATL

    Four teams vying for the #9 selection in the 2018 rule 4 draft:
    74-87 (.460) +11.0 PIT
    74-87 (.460) +11.0 OAK
    75-86 (.466) +12.0 TOR
    75-86 (.466) +12.0 BAL

    The beat down from Saturday leaves yet another sour aftertaste from the season, but we look forward to the 2018 season with renewed hope. After today’s games, we will follow the playoffs and world series while awaiting the off season to officially begin.

    • Cossack, what are the tie-break rules if CWS and CIN finish with the same records?

      • Doug Gray has said on his site that it’s based on last season’s record. So, based on that, we would hold the tie breaker against anyone but the Twins.

      • Good news for the Reds. If two teams finish with identical records, the previous year’s standings of the two teams is the tiebreaker, with the team having a worse record receiving the higher pick. The Reds win a tiebreaker with the White Sox. So a loss today guarantees the 4th slot for the Reds. A win and a White Sox win gives the Reds the 4th pick. The only way the Reds pick 5th is with a Reds win and a White Sox loss.

        • Yay! Another #4 or #5 pick. Yay! And next year, and the year after, and so on, and so on.

          • Yeah, the last time the Reds picked number 4 overall they got some bum named Barry Larkin. What good did he ever do for the organization? To be fair the #5 spot hasn’t been historically good for the Reds with Chad Mottola and Pat Pacillo being their only picks at #5 overall.

            This will be only the 2nd time since the draft has been in place that the Reds will select in the top 5 three consecutive years. There’s been no other time in the Reds history that they’ve selected three consecutive years in the top 10. That tells me that the losing will not continue year after year.

            More to the point, losing may eventually lead to having the right mix of players that will lead to winning. The other time the Reds drafted 3 consecutive years in the top 5 were 1983-85 (Stillwell, Pacillo, Larkin). That resulted in the Red posting winning seasons in 7 out of the next 10 years (1985-94) including the WS champion 1990 team. The Reds finished in 2nd place 5 of those years and in first 2 of those years.

  10. Another rebuild season is over, and yet so many questions are still pending to be answered heading into 2018, looks like this process will never end. Watching other organizations taking steps towards contention (i.e., Brewers, Twins, Phillies) it’s hard to recognize Reds management has simply underperformed.

  11. Dee Gordon had a good night last night:

    Stolen Bases
    1. Gordon • MIA 60
    2. Hamilton • CIN 59

    We now know who will be leading off today.

  12. Chad, first of all, thank you for your work in writing up game summaries. I know that most of the writers here are “amateurs” (but still intelligent and able), and you do this out of fun and fandom. But I know that some days it must be a bit of an obligatory grind to put out a blog posting when the Reds really stink it up.

    And stink it up, they have. I had higher hopes for the second half, but they were pretty much dashed by the forward/backward thinking of Reds management.

    And frankly, my hopes for 2018 will likely be dashed too. The lion’s share of the blame, in my humble opinion, lies at the feet of Bob Castellini. Despite many pronouncements about winning and being “winners!”, the Reds STINK because of a series of bad management decisions that start at the top.

    Even if Dick Williams was one of the most brilliant GM’s in baseball (which he is not), the Reds are condemned because ownership likes to mouth platitudes but is unable to understand how to build a winning team. Williams may be a bright guy, but his biggest credential that got him the job is being related to someone in the management group.

    It’s easy to blame Bryan Price, but he was hired by management just like the rest of the group of people that actually run the organization. Management has failed the team, the organization, and the fans. It could be that 2018 will be great year for the Reds, but frankly, I doubt it. It will be blind squat luck if it happens. I doubt it will even be mediocre (0.500 winning percentage). When 2018 concludes, and the Reds have had ANOTHER losing season, more fingers will be pointed.
    But it starts at the top.

    Bob Howsam, God rest his soul, knew how to build a winner in a small market. He knew how to judge talent. Granted, he inherited a pretty good team when he came aboard as a GM, but he made a lot of moves and drafts that kept the Reds a winning team through the ’70’s.
    It’s not Marty, it’s not Price, it’s not the Cowboy. It’s not a host of other tangential reasons. Whether Deck McGuire or Cody Reed start the last game of the season, it just doesn’t matter.
    Because the team is owned by a bunch of stubborn blockheads, we are doomed to be on the outside looking in at playoffs and championships, for the forseeable future.

  13. Thank you, Chad, for establishing this site and managing it so well along with Steve and the other outstanding writers. I haven’t checked the other ML blogs but RLN must be one of the best. After we see which one of the remaining ten teams come out on top, hammer-time will start for the Reds in the off-season.

  14. Thanks for the posts and thanks for the comments. I appreciated catching up on missed games and reading the analyses of the advanced stats.
    Hopefully 2018 will be more competitive.

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