2017 Reds

Is Cody Reed a Reliever?

A Major League mound can be a place of solace for a pitcher; a safe haven where everything makes sense regardless of the chaos off it. And yet, even with thousands of people intently watching your every move, that same mound can be a place of extreme loneliness and confusion. Sometimes, it’s easy to see which one a pitcher is currently experiencing.

Cody Reed looked like a changed man. After struggling so mightily in his 2016 audition, he had dominated in seven bullpen innings in early 2017, looking much like the pitcher who had become a top 35 prospect just a year earlier. The Reds felt the good vibes and gave him a start against the Chicago Cubs on April 22. It was Reed’s time to show how far he had come since getting obliterated in ten starts the year before.

The feeling must have been somewhat familiar. Ball after ball to led to two walks to lead off the game. Then, CRACK. Anthony Rizzo mighty bat met Reed’s pitch with unforgiving force, putting the ball into the stands and deflating a hopeful crowd at Great American Ball Park.

Reed lasted two innings. I vividly remember the look on his face as he exited the field, the last one of his teammates to reach the dugout. So lost. So alone. It was as if he’d overcome a mountain of insecurity and doubt only to be kick off of the cliff to the very bottom. How did we get here?

It was just two short years ago that the Kansas City Royals traded Reed, along with Brandon Finnegan and John Lamb, to the Reds for Johnny Cueto. At that time, Reed had already begun his ascension as a prospect, dominating high A ball and pitching roughly 30 solid innings in AA.

After the trade, Reed overwhelmed AA hitters for 50 more innings, posting a 29.9% strikeout percentage. Baseball America rated him as the 34th best prospect in all of baseball heading into 2016.

At that time, the mound must have been a place where everything made sense for Reed, like a second home. That tranquility persisted early in the 2016 season as he performed well in AAA, especially the first four or five outings.

While he had some relative struggles for a few starts, his overall body of work was impressive enough for a Redleg Nation writer to prognosticate that Reed might be the Reds best starter immediately upon his arrival in the big leagues. That seems crazy, unless you remember who was in the rotation last summer. A pretty low bar to jump.

And the promotion came.


“It just never gets any better for Cody Reed,” Marty Brennaman growled over the radio. “At what point do they decide not to send him back out there.”

The beating was severe. Relentless. Unforgiving. Opposing batters had a .324 average against Reed in his ten starts and belted twelve homeruns. He posted an unsightly 7.36 ERA. Looking bewildered, Reed found himself back in AAA trying to figure out what had just happened. An injury cut the rest of his season short.

By the time Reed was optioned back to AAA in 2017, he was questioning whether he belonged on a big league mound at all (great reporting by Zack Buchanan). He has spent the last four months in AAA trying to regain the magic, both physically and mentally, that made him the darling of the Reds system a year and a half ago.

That’s where he’s been, but as Reed rejoins the Reds pitching staff, it’s important to ask where he might be going.

When Reed was promoted, Bryan Price stated that Reed would pitch mostly, if not exclusively, out of the bullpen while Amir Garrett and Rookie Davis would likely get starts down the stretch. That’s extremely telling, especially because Davis isn’t considered much of a starting pitching prospect.

Is Reed’s future in the bullpen then? It appears more and more likely.

Reed now faces the problem of opportunity. He went from darling of the young pitchers to the back of the line, meaning he needs help to get another rotation chance. The pitching staff could again suffer the cruel fate of multiple injuries, or the Reds could make a trade that opens up the starting competition more. Maybe a couple young guys start struggling again. One thing is certain: Reed no longer controls his own fate as a starter.

The Reds may also want another lefty in the bullpen. With the Cingrani trade, only Wandy Peralta looks like a lock as a lefthander. Unless they acquire someone else in the offseason, the Reds will likely look within for another lefty. All of the Reds best relief prospects are right-handers, meaning Reed, Garrett, or Brandon Finnegan likely fill that role. Finnegan’s shoulder issues could relegate him to the pen, but if not, Reed appears the most likely option.

Besides opportunity and team needs, we have to question whether Reed should be a starter. While most writers and fans have focused on his mental state during his struggles, he has some serious mechanical issues to work through.

In AAA, Reed was working on smoothing out and repeating his delivery. Many young pitchers struggle with those issues. However, Reed’s biggest problem may be his three quarter arm slot, which gives right-handed hitters a really good look at his pitches. We would expect some serious platoon splits because of it.

Sure enough, in Reed’s young career, lefties have an OPS of .760 while righties have torched him for a .998 OPS. Without pinpoint command, he will continue to struggle with his fastball against right-handers, and he has failed to consistently control his pitches since making mechanical changes.

With the other factors, Reed’s best path forward might be shorter stints where he can rely on his slider more, and hitters only see him once. Even if that solution doesn’t have the biggest potential payoff, it’s the quickest one available to the Reds.

And of course, the Reds must consider the damage already inflicted on Reed’s psyche. He’s only 24 years old but seems to carry of the weight of his early failures like the regrets of an old, broken man. Maybe that’s perception more than reality. I hope so.

Reed’s pure stuff is elite level: he can throw 97 and has an excellent slider and useful changeup. With proper nurturing and good fortune, he could still turn into an impressive starter. Unfortunately for him, he has many obstacles to face and little time to overcome them. Cody Reed is a starter in most organizations, but with the depth the Reds feel they have now, he may not be a starter in this one.

 

28 thoughts on “Is Cody Reed a Reliever?

  1. I was at Reed’s first start at Pensacola after the Reds acquired him in the Cueto trade. The one thing that stood out very clearly was that he had no idea where the pitch was going when it left his hand. I am not sure he will ever be a successful major league pitcher. There are many pitchers with great stuff who never could attain success.
    Thanks for the article.

  2. Is Cody Reed a reliever?
    He is now.
    I thought he was just the LH starter the Reds really needed. It just didn’t end up that way.

    • I agree. I should have said major league starter. He is not and will not be a successful starter in my opinion, but well at be a reliever.

  3. Still rooting for the guy. Hope he finds it and becomes an effective pitcher, preferably a starter.

  4. I remember seeing one of those Chris Welsh “Tech Talks” a couple years ago where he and Homer Bailey were discussing repeatable mechanics. Bailey had a very clear idea of exactly where his release point needed to be and all the motions that went into repeating that position. He had drills for strength, balance and flexibility and was relentless in working on that one key detail. And when Bailey is healthy and on, he’s very good. I wonder if Reed, and some of the other young Reds pitchers – Garrett, Stephenson, Romano, Castillo, Finnegan – have this approach or something like it, or if they just throw. Sometimes I think it must be the latter. But I so hope it’s the former. The Reds have too many promising arms to end up with a shortage of promising pitchers. I’ll be rooting for Cody Reed.

  5. Reed certainly won’t be a starter if he’s not starting now in a low pressure 90 loss season.

    Great article by Ctrent on hunter Greene. He is a pitcher only now. He will take off.

  6. The Cueto trade, once very promising in my opinion, now looks to have netted the Reds very little. Reed and Finnegan are still young but Reed looks more and more like a reliever and Finnegan has shoulder issues. Shoulder issues are NEVER a good thing. The guy I thought would be a good swing man or impressive LOOGY was Lamb and he didn’t work out so was traded.

    I like Reed a lot. For the trade to be a good one, only one of the three really needs to pan out and Reed looked like the most likely. This is why it’s so hard to rate and project prospects. I hope Reed can be a starter but at this point, I think being able to salvage a good back of the pen LH reliever out of him is more reasonable.

    • It is strange that the big trade chips, Frazier, Chapman, and Cueto haven’t returned much. Leake, Simon, and Strailey seemed to have given more value when they were less sought after

      • Probably not an accident that they weren’t really under the gun to trade Simon or Straily and they ended up bringing what looks like stronger return. While on the other hand, the world knew the other three we up for grabs. Recall that in the Leake deal Keury Mella was the centerpiece while Duvall was seen as a throw in; and look how that’s gone to date. .

        • It also shows how poorly Frazier and Chapman trades were handled. Frazier should have been traded after the All Star Game and the reds were too intent on getting Perraza. Chapman was traded for nothing for concerns over his domestic violence charge, he too could have been traded after the All Star game for a better return. The Cueto trade just hasn’t work out like we had hoped, but the three players were better than getting nothing when he left for free agency

      • No, he hasn’t… He had somewhat limited value as a rental but my point was that I was pretty excited about that return for him. Now, it doesn’t look so great.

  7. If it were me and its not I would give him the ball every 5th day the rest of the year.Yeah its only two or three starts but why not.Kid has electric stuff but in reality he probably is a reliever going forward.He throws 97 and is left handed and those guys aren’t everywhere.

    • The Reds certainly know more about where he is now in terms of mechanics and confidence than I do, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him start a few games either.

      • I believe it was Zach Buchanan talking with Marty about how Reed was dealing with some shoulder problems late in the year, which is why his last few starts were only three innings. That seems to be the main reason he’s staying in the ‘pen for the rest of the year.

        • That sort of follows doesn’t it? Guy has a natural arm slot, starts experimenting with it and ends up with a sore shoulder.

          I was wondering why he didn’t seem to be pitching, even out of the pen. 12IP in 4 appearances in the last month combined between AAA and MLB. The 3 at AAA were all “short” starts.

  8. I also favor putting Cody Reed in the starting rotation for the last two plus weeks of the season. He’ll be age 25 in April so he’s not exactly a kid. It’s time to see if he can get the ball over the plate consistently. The Reds have nothing to lose except see what sorting produces.

    • Now that I have gone back and read the article and all the comments:

      Nick mentions early success at the lower levels of the minor leagues. Reed, Stephenson, and many other pitchers with great raw stuff experience similar varying results at minors vs. majors. It begs to wonder: in the minors, you can spin whatever up to the plate and the batter will be fooled by it, netting weak contact, swings and misses, and out. Get to the majors, and hitters can recognize bad pitches, lay off them, and sit on fastballs.

      I would say this is the biggest issue with reds young pitching prospects right now but I honestly haven’t looked any deeper into it

      • Very important to make your off-speed stuff look like a strike out of the hand and to be able to occasionally throw it over the plate if you want to. A lot of the time with young pitchers, these guys throw their breaking-ball and an MLB hitter spits on it because it doesn’t look like a strike when they let it go. MiLB players swing at some of those pitches.

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