2017 Reds / Titanic Struggle Recap

Recap: Reds lose to Mets; Glorious 3-game winning streak snapped

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (61-80) 2 6 0
New York Mets (61-79) 7 11 0
W: Harvey (5-4) L: Mahle (0-2)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score

The Good
–Not much to say here, as this was a lackluster base ball contest. Scott Schebler had two hits, including a double. Phillip Ervin walked and doubled, and drove in a run.

Jackson Stephens pitched a couple of scoreless innings of relief. It was Stephens’ second big league outing, and his first in a relief role.

–The Reds scored in the top of the first, when Ervin — starting in center field for the injured Billy Hamilton — walked to lead off the game, moved to third on a Joey Votto single, then scored on an Adam Duvall sac fly.

One inning later, the good guys took a 2-0 lead. Schebler led off with a double. Two outs later, Ervin doubled him home.

The Bad
–Rookie Tyler Mahle was not sharp: 4 innings, 3 runs allowed on 6 hits, 4 walks, 2 strikeouts. Mahle’s continuing struggles with command are a bit surprising, given his minor league numbers. But he’s pitching in the majors for the first time. Young pitchers are notoriously inconsistent, you know?

It was the first sub-par performance of Mahle’s big league career. There will be better days for this kid.

–Tim Adleman pitched the fifth inning and surrendered two solo home runs. Alejandro Chacin pitched the sixth inning and surrendered two runs of his own. Only gave up one homer, though.

Not-So-Random Thoughts
–I don’t have any thoughts. This wasn’t a good game. Tomorrow will be better.

26 thoughts on “Recap: Reds lose to Mets; Glorious 3-game winning streak snapped

  1. I think Mahle is going through the adjustment that all young pitchers go through when hitting MLB, namely: A different strikezone and smarter hitters. From what I have heard, in AAA they are more likely to call fringe pitches strikes than in the MLB. Perhaps in AAA Mahle was used to getting those calls on the corners and edges of the zone that are now being called balls.

    The other thing is I notice Mahle seems to throw a lot of pitches he expects hitters to chase, but they aren’t going after them. He has a breaking ball that looks like it’s going to hit the bottom of the zone, then the bottom drops out and it ends up in the dirt. More often than not, hitters weren’t chasing that pitch. I don’t know if it’s because Mahle wasn’t setting them up properly or if MLB hitters have better pitch recognition, but he seemed to get a little frustrated that he couldn’t get them to chase.

    Hopefully he keeps adjusting as September rolls on and is ready to compete for a rotation spot next spring.

    • The more experience he gets I think the better Mahle will be. If Mahle had been brought up earlier this year perhaps he’d have made some adjustments already and be that much better for next year. But no, our estimable Reds front office rotated in and out a batch of AAA pitchers with no future and trotted to the mound veterans with marginal upside to waste learning opportunities.

      Hopefully one month, 5 or 6 starts is enough to get him ready for 2018

  2. I really thought Adleman would thrive in the bullpen. Initial returns are not promising. Chacin has also struggled. Both are likely pitching for their 40-man roster spots.

    • Maybe Adleman is just run down; not that it shouldn’t reflect on his evaluation, just a possible explanation. Not sure if he is bound to the Reds next season if he clears waivers and is outrighted off the 40 Man or whether he will would be minor league FA. If he is bound to the Reds regardless (assuming he cleared waivers) then he is likely as good as off the 40 man regardless of how he does from the pen this month.

  3. Silver lining, the loss drop us a 1/2 game behind the Mets which puts us 6th in line for the upcoming draft. 2 games back (ahead) of the Braves for the 8th pick.

    We need a couple games like this or we’ll play our way out of a top 10 pick.

  4. This is the type of game the 2017 season was suppose to represent, evaluating young talent. From that perspective, this was a good game. Ervin played CF and hit lead off. Mahle started with Adelman, Chacin and Stephens working out of the bullpen. It’s still about the process and not the results and letting the process work through the results.

    Mahle is very young, but comes with an outstanding minor league pedigree and good early results. Let the process work. I still believe Mahle has an inside track for a starting role on the 2018 25-man roster, but he might begin the season back in AAA working with the knowldege and experiece of his initial exposure to MLB. I don’t see Stephens sticking in the bullpen right now. At least I hope this exposure and experience is just intended to enahnce his ability as a potential starter as he returns to AAA next season. If the bullpen battle for long relief/swingman comes down to Wojo or Adelman, Wojo appears to be seperating himself in the competition.

    Let the process work!

  5. I have a good feeling about Ervin. He has always had a good OBP throughout his career in the minors and it is continuing in the majors so far. He looks more like a leadoff hitter than Billy does.

    As for Mahle, he’ll be fine. If that’s the worse start of the season for him, the reds should be grateful. He’s only 22 remember.

    I also think Adelman is on his way out. Wojo or maybe even Stephens will snatch the long relief man out of the pen next year.

    In my forrest gump voice, that’s all I have to say about that

    • Ervin seems to be something of a “sleeper” to most folks; and, I am not sure just why. He was the #27 pick overall in the 2013 draft the year after Winker was the #49 overall pick. While both were technically 1st round picks, obviously Ervin was a “natural” 1st round pick with Winker being some sort of compensatory or sandwich pick. In comparison, Billy Hamilton was a 2nd rounder #57 overall in 2009.

      Both Winker and Ervin suffered wrist injuries while in the low minors which have appeared to slow down their advancement; and perhaps permanently impacted on their power output.

      • Ervin was a .251 career hitter in the minors without a lot of power. Who knows? Maybe he gets it now….his swing def looks shorter then it was when he came up before. Suarez never hit that much in the minors either.

        • Drafting is really a roll of the dice below the top 10 overall or so picks. When I was writing the bit above about Winker and Ervin above, I got to wondering who the Reds picked ahead of Winker in 2012. That would be pitcher Nick Travieso at #14 overall, who at least we’ve heard of even if it is now starting to look like long odds that he ever makes MLB (he had “major” shoulder surgery a couple of months ago).

          But who recalls the Reds had yet a 3rd first round pick in 2012? I didn’t. Jeff Gelalich, an outfielder, was picked at #57 overall as a supplemental first rounder (similar to Winker at #49).. After bouncing around the Reds system through 2016, he was released and subsequently signed by the White sox. Looks like he got his first brief whiff of AAA this season.

          And another interesting thing, at #57 overall in 2012, Gelalich was the same overall pick number as Billy Hamilton was in 2009 as a 2nd rounder.

          • Another interesting coincidence.
            As you said, Ervin #27 overall in 2013.
            Stephenson #27 overall in 2011.

          • It really is a crapshoot! I’ve became a fan of a Whit Merrifield with KC thru fantasy baseball. A 9th rd pick in 2010 by the Royals, and he didn’t make it to KC until last year at 27 yrs old. He doesn’t walk much, but he’s having a big year. Hitting .286 with 27 doubles, 5 triples, 17 HRs, and 27 (out of 30 attempts) steals! Now that’s a late bloomer!

          • Indy.> I think Gelalich is really interesting as a bust that high in the draft because he was chosen out of a high level college program, UCLA. Additionally, he graduated from a high school in the LA area and presumably would have been well exposed to top talent in the year round leagues out there.

  6. A loss where we learn something about the players who will possibly contribute to the next Reds playoff team is far more satisfying than the Arroyo/Adelman/Feldman losses we had to endure earlier in the year. Yes Cossack, trust the process!

    Price is finally committed to mixing and matching like he should’ve been doing all year. Reminds me of the Winston Churchill quote about the United States: (paraphrase) “Once they’ve exhausted all other options, you can count on them to make the right decision.” Anyone wanting to credit Price for the late season turnaround needs to remember this quote.

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