C. Trent Rosecrans of the Cincinnati Enquirer is reporting that the Reds will keep Bryan Price as the teams manager in 2018. Here is the story from Rosecrans:

PITTSBURGH — Bryan Price will return as the Reds manager in 2018, multiple sources have told The Enquirer.

Price was on a one-year deal with an option for 2018. Although his contract had a clause that required the Reds to tell him about the option by Sept. 2, he was informed in July that he would be the manager of the team next season.

The move will certainly cause some disgust among Reds fans. Price has a record of 266-355. The most disappointing aspect of Price’s tenure as Reds skipper, fair or not, is the lack of development with the young pitchers. However, Price has managed one of the worst rosters the Reds have ever assembled during a full rebuild.

The biggest question is this: does the Reds front office want to give Price a chance to see if he can lead a competitive team to the postseason in 2018, OR does the Reds front office think that the rebuild will last at least one more season, and not want to make a move until they believe they have a competitive team? We will likely find the answer to that question this off-season with the moves the front office makes.


We will certainly have more on this decision in the coming days. Stay tuned.

Nick is a lifelong Reds fan who was born and raised in Cincinnati. He acquired his love of baseball from his late grandfather. Nick moved to the Cleveland area in 2014 with his wife, and his currently fighting to convert his beautiful baby daughter Emma to Reds fandom. Nick has been writing for Redleg Nation since 2013. Follow Nick on Twitter @nicholaspkirby.

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  1. Worst manager in Reds history. By all means, bring him back. Reds are the laughing stock of baseball. Reds gonna Red.

    • Nah, Price isn’t the worst. But he’s definitely shown he’s not the right manager for the team at this stage.

      • Record wise, he actually is. Team averages 94 losses per season. How many other managers/coaches would last in any sport with that kind of ineptitude?

        • No one could win with the players Price has now, and that’s not his fault. A better manager might win a few more games, but this team is not ready to compete.

          Now, if you want to argue about the role Price plays in not putting the players in the best position to succeed, you might be onto something.

          • CI3J — Your post would make Chuck Schick smile.

          • And what job does ANY manager have, be it overseeing a team of phone associates or a bunch of engineers or 25 baseball players? Maximize the output given your resources. You answered your own question in contrast to your conclusion: A better manager *might* – **WILL** – win a few more games. That’s because Price doesn’t put his players in the best position to succeed.

      • Since Vern Rapp and Russ Nixon once managed the Reds he’s not the worst ever, but he he’s been given more time and has a worse record than Boone, Miley, and Narron – all of whom were fired and all of whom had terrible pitching staffs. Would Price still be around if they hadn’t made such a big deal of firing Dusty Baker to replace him with him?

  2. I don’t care about Price’s W/L records. I do care about his refusal to play young players unless forced to do so and his apparent lack of understanding/care for advanced metrics.

    Many moons ago, 2018 was set as the target year for the next good Reds team. Price has played a not insignificant role in the team still not knowing what it’s got in its young players.

    Well, expect more of the same next year. Price looks like he’s going to keep leading the perpetual rebuild where tomorrow never comes.

  3. Not a surprise to me because especially when you listen to him talk.Somebody had his back all the way which is why he did what he wanted and will continue to do so.They never held him accountable at all.Good job if you can get one.

    • Yes, there does sometimes seem a real logical disconnect between what Bob Castellini says and what the Reds actually do. As my late mother used to say “actions speak louder than words”.

  4. A couple weeks ago, I wrote a post about what it would mean if the Reds bring back Bryan Price for another year.


    He’s the luckiest professional head coach in any sport. His team hasn’t cared who manages it since 2015.

    • This is such terrible news. We, the fans care more about our team than the people running it and i don’t know how much more of this B.S. i can take. Totally bummed and disgusted.

    • In your conclusion you state: “We might yet see Price in 2018 if decision makers think the Reds remain a year away from a winning record.” I think you are correct and this worries me. My big worry is that Price manages in 2018 just like 2017 and tries to maximize wins in the current year (2018) rather than figuring out who are the best players for the future.

    • It’s my conjecture that ownership must like him because he’s a yes-man to them. He’s controllable. Remember, Dusty’s cardinal sin wasn’t losing a postseason game, it was refusing to fire his hitting coach. If you look at things just from the point of view of organizational dynamics, it’s fascinating.

      Before Dusty’s Firing (B.D.F.): ownership places value on long resumes and embraces outside perspectives. You COULD say that’s when ownership was teachable.They were looking for outside advice.

      AFTER Dusty’s Firing (A.D.F.): ownership places value only on people with recent experience in Cincinnati (first Price, then Williams). They also, I suspect, place value on loyalty. (They probably never want to deal with someone like Dusty, who had realistic-ish options of going elsewhere. Someone who could look them in the eye and tell them to go F—- themselves.) They circle their wagons and start showing a fear of outsiders.

      Seen from this perspective, Dusty’s Firing is the line demarcating their apparent change in philosophy. I hope I’m wrong. But I have a hunch I’m not.

    • Mmmm, I’d have to throw in there the Bengals and Schuler…and maybe even Lewis.

  5. Unbelievable. Prepare to see more of the same nonsense next year. Hamilton leading off, rookies sitting on the bench and poor bullpen usage. Incredibly frustrating

  6. I agree then and agree now.Hard to imagine this front office getting rid of him when we start winning next year though.Time will tell.

  7. I think this is a pretty clear cut message from reds brass that they’re saying that we’re not gonna compete next year. But just minutes ago on Instagram I said pretty much the same thing that’s being said here. If the Reds go out and sign a bona fide starter in the off-season that could be sending mixed messages… unless that message is that they do believe that Price can lead a competitive team.

  8. You nailed it with your last two sentences, Steve. There is no urgency to win in Bob Castellini’s (or Walt Jocketty’s) mind, whoever is really deciding things.

    The Reds aren’t close to truly winning, in the ownership/front office’s minds and until Dick Williams thinks so, and hires his own, hand-picked guy, Bryan Price hangs on as manager.

    Hopefully, Dick Williams will put pressure on Price to play youngsters, optimize lineups in 2018. Otherwise, those nuances will hold the Reds back in 2019, 2020, 2021….whenever this team is good again.

    • Not sure what to think but wouldn’t DW already be putting the pressure on Price to do just what you said.I mean we have been out of it for awhile and nothing has changed.Personally I think DW has had Price’s back all year long and will continue to so in 2018 and its not because he doesn’t believe he is the man but because he believes he is and that should scare us all.

  9. He fits their budget. That’s why I knew he was coming back. It’s not like they are going to go out and hire somebody worthwhile. They would have to pay him . I think they said tonight that August was the 3rd winning month in Prices tenure. I hope that is incorrect but I would not doubt it. The only thing they got going is they haven’t quit on him. The puppet returns.

    • I just posted the following in the game thread….

      “Bryan Price is years behind most other MLB managers in how they execute their jobs. That is a fact.

      Sadly, Reds ownership is happy with this.”


    • If it really is a matter of budget then I certainty wouldn’t expect much of a payroll bump next year. The Reds enticed me into a small ticket package this year after no package in 2016. I’m going to have to think long and hard about rather I even want a small package if this is the direction of the team.

  10. Three straight last place finishes. Man I wish I could be that bad at my job and keep it. How does Dusty get fired after three playoff berths out of four seasons and this guy keeps his?!!!

    • Dusty got paid to much and they needed somebody who would take chump change.

  11. All the comments above decisively conclude what a bad decision this is. But what if it ain’t? What could Williams (& Castellini) be seeing to offer Price another year? Perhaps the guy they want as manager can’t be signed for another year. Maybe Bryan is receiving credit for the emergence of Castillo, Romano, & Stephenson. Or the good to great offense the Reds have. Maybe the Reds brass appreciate the way the team has not “laid down’ lately. In any event, Williams & Castellini are now full partners in the Price era of Reds baseball- for better or for worse.

  12. Stuart “Big Lumber” Turner just grounded into a double play on a 3-0 pitch. I hope Price signs a 9 year extension. I can’t get enough of the Price’s brand of “outside the box” thinking. As in….he does things that no manager above AA would do.

    • Even with the pitcher on deck, Turner shouldn’t be swinging at 3-0 pitches. This is especially true if there are less than 2 outs.

  13. Let him manage with a team made to win. Then decide. The window to win should be open longer than one year, opening next year and widening for a few more, if the rebuild goes as planned.

  14. Reds will get shut out again on the day Price is given an extension.What a coincidence.

  15. Shut out 3 times in the last 7 games by the Bucs and Mets.Go offense.

  16. Been reds fan many years will not be at any games any more if not on tv just won’t watch think he’s been bad as the worst they’ve had Dusty had to much influence on him!

    • I didn’t know there was another “old school” out there without the hyphen.

      My two cents. This is no longer about Price. Yes, he manages double switches and late inning relievers and decides what 2 days of the month Kivlehan gets a start. I don’t believe Price does a whole lot more than that . He is simply executing the front office plan. The front office plan is by committee and the executive round table is very big.

      • If true that’s even scarier than ‘Price is a terrible manager’. If the truth is ‘the front office is idiotic’, then the numerous problems with Neanderthal thinking won’t go away for many years to come and the San Diego Padres of baseball will continue to outperform the Reds with far less talent.

  17. 1. Is this year Bryan Price’s fault? No
    2. Is Bryan Price a good manager? No
    3. Am I disappointed he’s coming back? Yes

  18. Disappointing news to anyone who is interested in finding out if the young guys can make or what to the best hitters get the most at Bats.

  19. It’s very curious and somewhat disappointing.

    And to change the tenor of this dirge, who SHOULD the Reds hire as a Field manager?

    • Buck Showalter. His contract with Baltimore expires next year.

    • Someone who relies less on the sacrifice bunt?
      Someone who doesn’t bat the two worst OBP hitters 1-2 in the order?
      Someone who puts the closer in in a tie game on the road, and doesnt wait for the save opportunity.
      Someone who doesn’t spout inane comments like “I don’t pay attention to lineup construction”

      I mean, there has to be a young, forward thinking manager candidate out there who would work for cheap.

    • This is a good & fair question. Who should the Reds hire?

      There is no shortage of capable, forward-thinking managers out there. There are 30 ML teams, all with managers plus ~4 bench coaches per team. In addition, there are 150 farm teams that have managers. If one wants to look that way, there are college coaches that manage big-time programs (let’s estimate 30). Plus there are some terrific ex-players that have made (or will make) fine Managers (Paul Molitor, Craig Counsell… let’s estimate another ~30).

      At the end of the day, out of those ~360 possiblities, BP is the best man for the job?!

      Twins, Brewers, Royals, Indians, etc. are small market teams that are playing well (so the small market is just an excuse) – and I believe their Managers are a key part of their success (despite those who argue that a manger doesn’t have much impact). Our guy comes in a solid 5th place when compared against the managers of the 4 teams mentioned above.

      Lastly, 2018 does matter! Even if the young talent is still maturing, you want players to be learning under a leader that can/will win. That manager can be learning, teaching and molding the team into a contender. Time is wasting, and the young talent has to be ready. They must learn to compete in 2018 – not the “breaking even for a month” kind of compete – but the “battling for a wildcard spot” kind of compete.

      Like many, I am bitterly disappointed. I love the players to death, but the management of the whole thing does not share the sense of urgency needed to create a winner in Cincy.

  20. Not surprising since the ownership and the GM both seem to like Price after four seasons. Price is not the manager that a young, emerging Reds team needs. But they must be content to have a half-filled stadium, at best, for most games except opening day and giveaway and concert days. Not too much to look forward to as a Reds fan with another year of Bryan Price.

  21. Price took over a team that was in the play-in game for the playoffs the previous year. A team that had a lot of talent both pitching and hitting. Yes, the Reds traded almost everyone away the next year, but that was after Price turned them into losers. The Reds will never be winner with Price as their coach. Why do I spend so much time following a franchise that has become comfortable with losing to the point that they retain a manager who is going to finish last for the third straight year? In my 56 years of following the Reds this is a first for on both counts.

    • I am disappointed by this news, as well, but Price inherited a worse team than the one that made the play in game. Choo, their best table-setter who also had power, departed, leaving a big hole in the everyday lineup. Pitching injuries and lack of ready options in the minors began to emerge.

      • Price was 51-44 in the first half of the season in 2014. Then he was 25-42 the second half of 2014. Since then he has had three straight last place divisional finishes, counting this year.
        He has led his team to three winning months in four years- June of 2014, July of 2016, and August of 2017. He is like a duffer who occasionally hits a good shot and thinks he can play the game of golf. Anyone who thinks Price is a good manager is going to continue to be disappointed. He could have led the 1970 Reds to a second or third place finish- after all that team lost Jim Merritt and Wayne Simpson during the season. So Price would have been making the excuse that his team could win if they just could get their starting pitchers healthy. Price is a terrible manager.

  22. Maybe I’m not reading these comments correctly, but it seems like you guys are really excited about Bryan Price returning next year!

  23. Terrible & horrible decision, another lost season in 2018

  24. Price’s unimpressive roster is completely beside the point. If a mechanic tries to fix your brakes by replacing the fuel pump, it doesn’t matter if his boss forced him to use inferior equipment. You just don’t let him work on your brakes anymore. It’s not that complicated.

  25. Bryan Price be like… “I’m smart and I want respect!” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYabrQrXt4A

  26. Reading thru these messages it seems no one has really understood why he was kept on:the real answer is the REDS ARE A CHEAP ORGANIZATION.They will continue to be cheap.They will continue to lose and continue to draw meager crowds and not care a bit.Bottom line is that when they sell this team they will make a BILLION + dollars.Thats with a B.Thats all they care about.Hopefully that comes soon and new owners will spend appropriate S to compete in the league.We can only hope and pray thats the case.The sooner the better.Get these cheap lying greedy bums outta here.They are playing the fans as fools crying small market,we cant afford,whine whine whine.All the way to the bank.

  27. I’ve been a devoted Reds fan since 1970…and this announcement about Price being re-hired boggles my mind. This is worse than the early to mid 80s. I’ve been to exactly one game in the last three years. Don’t expect me back at the ballpark in ’18. Price can’t be blamed for the awful roster – but I’ve seen enough of him to know he ain’t the answer to the “next good Reds team”. Whenever that might be.

    • You are exactly right. This is a dark period and gives little hope for the future.

  28. We can only hope that the recent success of Castillo, Romano and Stephenson has opened Price’s eyes somehow, otherwise 2018 is going to be a repeat of 2017. Now if he would only stop putting the lowest opb guy at leadoff.

    • Don’t blame Price if minor league pitching talent is not developed properly. That is on the minor league coaches, and in a larger sense, the organization for not hiring the right kind of coaches. I don’t think Price is blind to talent. He was very excited by the potential Romano showed in Spring Training. I don’t see the benefit of bringing up young pitching talent if they are just going to get their heads beat in. Stephenson has at last grasped the importance of throwing strikes consistently; this seems so obvious, but he has been resisting coaching for years in the minors, because he has been relying on his natural talent.

  29. Bryan Price is a good manager. The decision to keep him is wise. The Reds problem is pitching. When the Reds fix that Price will look like a genius. The fans who think changing managers will fix what ails the Reds are just being negative for the love of being miserable about everyone and everything. The front office has a big challenge. Over the next few years they need to develop a pitching staff while finding replacements for current position players who will either age or move on as they acquire free agent status. To be be consistently competitive the Reds will need to be much better finding and signing talented players through the draft. This is the only way a lower revenue team wil be able to compete on a regular basis. The Cardinals are a good model. The most consistent winners are the big money clubs…Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, Giants, Cubs, Angels, Nationals. Hopefully Dick Williams and his assistants understand how to build long term success through player development as it is the only road to consistent competiveness.

    • If you think Price is a good manager, I cannot help you. Not sure there is any help for such denial of reality and truth.

    • Agree the Cardinals are a good model. The issue, though, with the comparison, is that the Cards draw a million more fans than the Reds go annually. The Reds have a revenue problem.

      Also, baseball has an odd counter-incentive that if you can’t compete, it pays to lose big. This way, able to draft top talent, which the Reds have done with Senzel and Greene. Hopefully, this lull pays off and the Reds have invested in a scouting and development process that’s data driven and maximizes player development. We’re seeing four young pitchers finally turning the corner – so maybe there is hope.

  30. My quick response to this was shock and anger, but after some thought I’m okay with it. Here what I got:

    Price and mgt have some young players in the doghouse (Reed, Garret, Davis, Bob who’s coming out of it with improvement) and those situations appear to be effectively managed. A new manager may allow kids to be ungrounded, if that makes sense.

    If any of you have ever been on a baseball team at a high level you’ll understand this, but teams get dysfunctional when all the rookies are on the field and the vets are on the bench. It’s hard to describe any better than that. If Dick Williams wanted Winker and co 500 ABs this year, or BobSteve and Reed 25 starts, he wouldn’t have signed Feldman and kept Winker down, etc.

    I haven’t heard one leak, one schmideon of a rumor that Price has lost the locker room. Which usually is evident through reporters being in there everyday. No word of it. So in the absence of that, perhaps his ethos is intact with them.

    • Makes total sense. While the Reds sort out Thur pitching, I look at how focused the positional players remain. They play hard. They play well above average defense and the offense has matured (the more mini-Vottos, the better). There’s no drama. I know folks want to watch Peraza play over Gennett. But, what affect is Pereza’s demotion having on the young pitchers? I’d say that Peraza’s demotion let folks know that performance is necessary. Now, I don’t agree with Hamilton leading off nor do I agree with batting Hamilton and Peraza 1-2.

    • Losing the locker room….if you consider that to be a major achievement consider the opposite: the players are okay with losing. They’ve become too comfortable.

      The talent was there. Yes the initial pitching with Arroyo, Homer, Garrett/Adleman, Rookie/AAAA replacement, and Feldman was below average but he could have turned quicker to Mahle, Castillo, Stephenson (who Price let rot on the bench for several games at a time), Reed (who also rotted on the bench then was offered as a sacrifice to a top offensive club at the time). Suspect Finnegan was totally mishandled. A mgr who lost a number of games putting Hoover (prior years) and Wood in high leverage situations long after it was readily apparent they couldn’t perform under pressure.

      If you blame the front office then you have a manager who was too weak to tell the front office the truth regarding the pitching talent.

      • I don’t think they’ve become comfortable with losing: they continue to play hard, which means something considering their record. I don’t know whether or not Price is a good manager, though I know that he’s not perfect because nobody is. The young pitchers are starting to show hopeful signs, and I’m confident that, had the pitching been good, the Reds would have been competitive. I wasn’t happy with the decisions to give so many starts to Feldman, Arroyo, etc., but upon reflection I realize that I have no idea of how ready the prospects were at the beginning of the season. And, of course, they all would have faced innings limits, so we would have seen the retreads in any case.

      • Some of his moves are questionable no doubt. But a manager can’t turn to a pitcher in Apr who’s sitting in Double A. GMs move players, not managers.

        GMs also decide to put Arroyo on the opening day roster. That’s Dick. Now your GM informs you a 15 year starting pitcher just made the team, what are you gonna do with him? Put him at 1st base coach and run Billy Hatcher out there to pitch?

        All of us including me need to separate some of the bizzaro decisions into their proper blame buckets. Bryan Prices bucket is plenty full as it is.

  31. Price is a clone of Dusty Baker who was fired after the Reds went to the playoffs 3 times.They hired a guy who is just like him in his managing style and thinking without interviewing anybody else.After 4 years of losing big time he gets another year.Go figure that one but its got more to the tune of Walt’s good old boy network still alive and well then it has anything else.However just like Dusty the Reds will win despite Price because the talent is there and we will get better.He can only mess up so much.

  32. My main criticisms of Price are his handling of Toni Cingrani & Amir Garrett. As his pitching coach & manager during his entire ML career with the Reds, I still think Price should have gotten more out of Cingrani’s talent. The Dodgers will prove or disprove that contention. As for Garrett, it’s still hard to understand what happened to him in June, & why Price doesn’t know what happened. As for the double switches, lineups, etc.; it’s the caliber of the players on the roster that usually determine whether the manager is a genius or a scapegoat. Lastly, picking up a 1 year option on a manager’s contract is more like a “stay of execution” than a “non-guilty verdict”.

  33. I don’t blame Bryan Price for all the losing the Reds have done the past three years.

    But I don’t see him as the guy to take the Reds into the next good run, either. It’s hard to tell what kind of a manager he would be with good teams, but of the things he can control, like playing time and batting order, he’s been a disappointment.

    The Reds could do worse. If you think they’re capable of hiring a better-than-average manager, they should replace Price. If you think they’re not likely to hire someone better than average or mediocre, then there’s a case for keeping Price.

    Either way, bringing Price back on a one-year option feels like the front office is still kicking the can down the road. And that might be OK.

    • I have not been a Bryan Price fan since his first year, 2014. I am somewhat surprised he has endured because of the rationale for firing Dusty Baker. Dusty was handed a pretty talented Nationals team and is doing well.
      Dusty Baker and Bryan Price are not “terrible” managers, but they don’t do the things that could take a young or modestly talented team and get the best out of them. Surely, if you hand them a very talented team, they will win.
      The Reds are not a terrible, untalented team. But their starting pitching this year has been atrocious, and frankly, their bullpen at times has been pretty bad. Having said that, I have also not been impressed as to how they have handled their young pitching talent. I thought Bryan Price was a genius pitching coach?

      I think this off-season will be very telling as to what ownership’s real attitude is. The Reds, overall, are close to contending IF their starting pitching gets better.
      IF the Reds sign a pretty good free agent pitcher to anchor the rotation, they MIGHT be serious about trying to contend in 2018.
      IF the Reds re-sign Zach Cozart but don’t sign a starting pitcher (and not resign Feldman, either) then you can say that they are just going through the motions. I am neutral on resigning Cozart, but it would be OK if not for too much money, which might be better spent on a good starting pitcher.
      The fact that they waived Blake Wood was actually a small sign that they may be getting serious about trying to win.

    • DW has been relatively transparent and straight-forward in some of his interviews in the last year. I’m dying to hear how he will explain this on a day that he is also being candid. There are good reasons to retain Brian, and there are also terrible ones. My gut reaction is one of significant disappointment, but I recognize what I don’t know in this decision, which is most of it. Like so many others on here, I just want the Reds to be good and inspire with their play. At their best, they are a part of the fabric of our extended community and in a small, but real way unite and help bring out the best in us. I’m looking forward to more ‘best’ in the future, and sure would like it to be sooner than later.

    • Price is not to be blamed for ALL the losing of the past 4 years but he most certainly is to blame for a lot of it. His first team had winning talent and became worse as the year rolled along. The Reds were 51-44 before the break and 25-42 after it. Since then he has had three straight last place finishes- assuming this year as one of those. Price just is not a good manager. He is a position coach who doesn’t have the ability to develop a winning program.

    • How could the Reds NOT be capable of hiring a better than average manager? Serious question.

      • Not sure I have the answer Jesse but they never interviewed anybody after they fired Dusty.They just promoted Price who had never managed before so certain things like experience and won loss records or even how is he in managing people never came in to the discussion.Makes me wonder if the know what they want or even need.

    • Refreshing perspective, Steve.

    • That’s basically why I’m OK with it … not excited but not surprised.

  34. Kicking the can down the road seems the only thing the FO/ownership does well.

  35. This also calls into question whether Williams really wants Price around, or was ordered by Castellini to keep him. (With Jocketty whispering in Castellini’s ear?) I can’t believe — or maybe don’t want to believe — that Williams won’t be leaning on Price a bit to place more value on on-base percentage in making out lineups next year. But again, are Williams and his analytics mere window dressing when it comes to how the games are played?

    As a few others have said, the real interest is the roster given to Price for 2018. If the Reds expect to contend, and don’t, who’s to say that Price even makes it through next season without getting fired?

    • Good stuff man. Organizations need to be on the same page top to bottom, as fans we since that isn’t the case here. Does Dick Williams think BHam should be leading off? Has anyone asked him?

      I’m with you on next year. Making a statement to a team for underperforming is firing him mid season, not simply not renewing his contract at seasons end.

      • Ugh… sense.

        • Honestly, if the biggest single problem with the Reds is Billy Hamilton leading off (and it isn’t), then this is small beans.
          The Reds biggest and continuing problem is their pitching, particularly their starting pitching. Injuries to Finnegan and Desclafani have really hurt them this year. Then Garrett got hurt in May, and the Reds have somewhat covered that up. As much as we should NOT have had to rely on Feldman, he then got hurt. Homer still is not 100 percent after TJ surgery (maybe 2018, maybe…..never?). The Reds have a pretty good team on the field, but their starting pitching is the reason they are in last place. You would think that Bryan Price, genius pitching coach, could have done more about that, but then….you would be wrong. It is just what it appears to be. The Reds have had a crummy starting pitching staff this year.

      • Yes, picking up the option suggests that hitting Hamilton leadoff is in line with the front-office’s thinking. It suggests that Price is following the plan. It also suggests that the plan is crap.

  36. I think the Reds view 2018 as a year of more development and sorting. They aren’t in it to make the playoffs. A 81-81 season will be considered a huge success. I actually think Price does ok managing the pitchers. My primary complaint is the batting order and deciding which position players actually start. Seems like the Reds have their head stuck in the sand. It would also be nice if the Reds actually conducted a legitimate candidate search for the next manager. MLB needs to be involved to ensure this happens. Expect attendance to drop. Only then will Dick make any relevant change.

    • In other words, Price is a good pitching coach but not a good manager. I agree. But we need a manager- not just a pitching coach. Very bad move on the Reds part.

      • Honestly, I don’t think the coaching of the pitching staff has been all that great. But then again, a lot of a player’s performance is up to them. You can coach and teach until you are blue in the face, but if the player is not listening or taking the coaching seriously, you end up in a dead end. I give you….Tony Cingrani. A kid with a mountain of talent but too stubborn to be coached. Trading him may have been a signal to Stephenson and Reed, who also at times see impervious to coaching.

        • Price is the manager, not the pitching coach.

          • Not sure if you were responding to my post or not. My point is that Price was a good pitching coach but not a very good manager. He is managing like he is still a position coach.

        • I’m also not sure about that mountain of talent. A hitting- speed fastball, a fierce expression, and little else.

    • A fifth year of sorting is not going to sit well with the Red’s fan base and will result in more empty seats. It’s beyond me, but maybe the financial setup of MLB these days doesn’t put the emphasis on occupied seats which used to be the case before big money from TV and cable took over. From now to April 2018 the front office will show the way whether next season is another year of sorting or a real effort to get out of last place and move up.

  37. On the other hand, you see a guy like Eugenio Suarez, who has grown so much as a player in the last two years. This guy wants to succeed, and is doing his best to improve as a fielder and a hitter.

    • Good point, David. I’d add Duvall and, possibly, Schebler, to the list.

  38. There’s an assumption in these posts that an above average managerial candidate would want to skipper this team. Worst bull pen in 2016…worst starting pitching in 2017 with only a glimmer of hope for next year. Now it does look like the position players are showing themselves to be competitive, so who knows.

    I think Price may be here to stay until: 1) he’s given a competitive team and messes it up, or 2) he loses the respect of his players, which I don’t hear is happening.

    Now you could argue he was given a competitive team in 2014…but what was a reliable bull pen blew up (Prices fault ??, maybe), Votto went down, sub-par Bruce, and we had Ludwick/Heisey/Schumaker/Bernadina/Lutz playing left field and Hamiton in CF.

    • What I’ve been hoping for, perhaps futilely, is for the Reds to hire someone who can bring a little more of the Maddon-esque qualities of not being locked into lineup roles, for example. … Over the last few years, commenters here have mentioned different young coaches on other teams who might bring that fresh approach, one that would actually mesh with some of what Dick Williams has talked about. (If, indeed, Dick Williams is really calling the shots.)

      And, beyond anything else, there are only 30 of these managerial jobs in the majors. Only THE most successful of managers wouldn’t jump at a job unless they already have one.

    • Maybe a little more than a glimmer. There may actually be a decent pitching staff. The offense has been good, for the most part, and scores plenty of runs, for the most part. Defense has been excellent, though that is subject to change. I’m usually a pessimist, but I won’t give up on this team for 2018 until we’re well into 2018.

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