Game Thread

Reds vs Cubs – August 23, 2017

The Cincinnati Reds (53-73) are coming off a bullpen implosion last night to the Chicago Cubs (67-57). The Reds blew leads of 3-0 and 6-3 as the bullpen allowed all 13 runs after Homer Bailey exited early with an injury. The Reds offense continued to hold up their end of the bargain, as they have now averaged 6.9 runs over the last 15 games. The Reds will try to put together a complete game against the first place Cubs tonight at 7:10.

Starting Pitchers

PITCHERS IP K/9 BB/9 ERA FIP fWAR
Asher Wojciechowski 5o.1 9.48 1.61 5.36 4.90 0.3
Mike Montgomery 96.1 7.19 4.20 3.64 4.23 0.6

The strikeout and walk numbers for Woj are extremely good. The problem is that he has allowed 12 home runs in 50.1 innings. Two of those home runs came to Kris Bryant and Anthony Rizzo last week. Woj started against the Cubs last Monday, and got lit up: 3.2 IP, 10 H, 7 ER. His ERA went from 4.23 to 5.21.

Mike Montgomery has been everything that Cubs could ask out of him. He has made 8 starts, and 35 appearances overall. He has the nice flexibility to go back and forth from starting to relieving. He has a 4.43 ERA in 20.1 career innings against the Reds.

Starting Lineup

You can find the lineup here.

The brutal year of Reds pitching

The Reds top 4 starters entering the year:

Homer Bailey – made 1st start on June 24th
Anthony DeSclafani – yet to make a start in 2017
Brandon Finnegan – out for the year
Scott Feldman – out for the year

The Reds top 3 MLB ready starting pitching prospects entering the year:

Amir Garrett – 7.41 ERA in 12 MLB starts
Robert Stephenson – 6.13 ERA in 18 MLB appearances
Cody Reed – 6.43 ERA in 7 MLB appearances

So…..that tells you all you need to know about the 2017 Cincinnati Reds.

Conclusion 

I would be lying if I said that I felt optimistic about Asher Woj-whatever beating the Cubs tonight. But, baseball is a crazy game, right? Go Reds!

 

All photos are used courtesy of the Cincinnati Enquirer, and are used by permission. All statistics are used courtesy of Fangraphs, Baseball-Reference, and ESPN Stats & Info.

43 thoughts on “Reds vs Cubs – August 23, 2017

  1. I really like what Jesse Winker brings to a baseball team. Unfortunately, he’s been shipped to Siberia.
    The fact that my favorite baseball team refuses to play him …..is a big problem.
    Sam Wyche once said there is golf to be played and tennis to be served. I can do that.

    Fire Bryan Price. Play Jesse Winker. Or else.

    • Price isn’t smart enough to write in a different lineup. Who cares who is called up in September. Price won’t play them anyways. Castellini is just as dumb as Price.

    • I started watching Reds games again to see the new guys, Winker and Ervin. The benching of Winker has made me stop watching altogether. It is infuriating. Price needs to be gone ASAP

    • There are plenty of reasons to call for Price’s firing but playing Schlebler over Winker isn’t one of them.

          • That seems like a dubious conclusion based on the sample size. Don’t you think?

          • Pretty sure I stated a fact. You might want to learn the difference between stating a fact and making a conclusion.

          • Hamilton has had 4 years and Winker has had 1 month. Let’s give Winker more at bats before we decide this.

          • @MRRED Okay, I’ll play. Show me where I made a conclusion based upon sample size. I’ll wait while you try to twist yourself out of this one.

      • Winker has 2 at bats since August 18…a walk and a home run. The reds are one of the 5 worst teams in baseball 3 years running and they can’t find ANY playing time for their AAA all star who is slashing .290/.395/.450 ish. It’s August.

        • I’m all for finding a place for Winker but unfortunately he doesn’t play CF and Duval and Schlebler do not deserve to be benched right now.

          • You are correct. Winker could be a great pinch hitter this postseason against the Nationals or dodgers. Clearly Hamilton with his 1.6 WAR and leadoff prowess and schebler with his .7 WAR are difference makers.

          • Surely they can find a way to get Winker more playing time by sharing among Duvall and Schebler. This team isn’t in a playoff race. They’re in a draft pick race…

          • No man you got me. Price has got to be fired for playing Schleber over Winker. That .2 WAR difference is surely going to put the Reds over the top. Yup let’s all get bent out of shape about RF everything else is fine.

          • Schebler is hitting .229 with an OBP of .305 . Billy Hamilton is one of the worst hitters in the NL. Clear the air then….Winker should play 5/7 days or no?

          • Umm Schebler was injured in July in case you hadn’t noticed. And please stop acting like a martyr for Winker. I was probably in the Winker camp long before you were. You usually don’t demote a cost controlled average to above average 26 yr older for someone a couple of years younger unless he is the second coming of Mike Trout or a clear upgrade, which Winker is not.

            And what’s the point of bringing up Hamilton? Winker can’t even play CF and Schebler can’t play there everyday.

          • Take a stand and be definitive.
            You want Schebler and Hamilton everyday over Winker?
            Hamilton is a good CF and Schebler has some left handed power-clearly.
            Its my position Winker is an everyday outfielder because he is an elite hitter. I want Winker playing 80 % of the time…minimum. Tough lefties, ok to take a day off.
            You want Winker playing how much?

          • I already took a stand. Schebler deserves to start over Winker for the time being. If Schebler has another month like July then you can consider replacing him with Winker. Hamilton isn’t even in the conversation because Winker can’t play CF. I want Winker to get some at bats too but outside of sliding Schebler over to CF maybe once a week I don’t see how it’s going to happen.

            Honestly, I’m more upset that they continue to trot out these retreads at pitcher than anything happening in right field.

        • The Schebler thing and the Reds is strange. He is closing in on below .300 OBP and is under a 100 wRC+

          Interesting that a team as bad as the Reds are going out of their way to play their 1st round draft picks as little as possible for non difference makers like Schebler and Hamilton to a certain extent.

  2. A bunch of people in last night’s game thread (Old School, James Garrett, others) were asking about the accountability for the horrible pitching on this year’s Reds team. Who should take the blame?

    Was on ESPN.com. Check out this quote by Price in today’s Cubs-Reds game preview:

    “They (young SP prospects) can’t all make the team, but what we have to do is make sure that 2018 isn’t another 2017, where we haven’t moved the needle forward at all,” Reds manager Bryan Price said. “If we have an open tryout in 2018, that will be a big mistake for us. A boost could come from having (Brandon) Finnegan back and having (Anthony) DeSclafani back.”

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/preview?gameId=370823117

    A lot can be interpreted from this, IMO. It does read to me like a guy who isn’t accepting responsibility.

    • Again Face Palm. Needle hasn’t moved at all Price. For every Castillo you get an Arroyo, Bonilla, Wojo, Adkeman, Feldman, Buchanan ………….Everybody knows they aren’t the future. But you keep throwing them out there. Price has figured nothing out for next year. And it is a open competition next year because you haven’t figured anything out. How many teams would keep a coach that comes in last every year for what 4 out of 5 years? Pathetic.

    • A boost for me would be the Reds not having Bryan Price as the manager come the 2018 season.

    • Kind of funny that Price is the one who kept the needle from moving forward. Stephenson has shown some promise but we don’t really know if he is going to be a keeper due to Price’s stupid open tryout in Spring Training. If they had stuck to their original plan of trying to answer some questions, we would have at least had an idea with Stephenson. Instead the Reds scrapped that plan because of some early season success that obviously wasn’t going to be sustainable.

    • Wow. That sounds like a manager who is coming back. Count me out.
      Signing up for golf lessons this winter.

  3. They had a chance this year to start a bunch of young guys and chose to go with warm bodies instead.The open tryout should have been this year to the tune of 20 to 25 starts for 3 or 4 young pitchers.Didn’t happen instead they gave this guy 1 and this guy 7 and this guy 12 and this guy 8 which is foolish.Finny got 31 in 2016 and Disco 31 in 2015 and that’s how you do it.If Finny was just starting this year he wouldn’t have made it past 10.Amazing to me to try and evaluate any young starter after so few starts.Interesting Price referred to both isn’t it.

  4. If Price was the Dodgers manager, he would’ve benched Bellinger as soon as Gonzalez came back

  5. The stands are packed again tonight!!! The only time they get any fans is when Castillo is pitching. The Giants are 40 out and packed their stadium today. Why ? Because they have a little more faith in their front office and manager.

    • If Castillo was pitching on a weekday in August or September the attendance would be roughly the same. If he pitches on a Friday or Saturday the attendance is higher thanks to giveaways, the fact it’s a weekend and kids don’t have school the next day. The Reds have not, even in the BRM days, drawn all that well on weeknights when school is in session. The Cardinals are another example, like the Giants, of a team that draws big crowds regardless of day of week/time of year.

  6. The Cubs ran 7 straight lefties up there. Since Garrett or Reed don’t seem to be the answer and Finnegan’s starting days might be over. They need to put a LH starter at the top of their shopping list. I know….good ones don’t grow on trees….nor the Reds farm system

  7. It’s August and the Reds are in last place again and 90 losses again and being run ruled by the Cubs again…but it’s ok….stay with status quo.
    Send Ervin to Louisville….send Winker to Siberia. ..
    Clearly….a cozart FA contract solves everything.

  8. This team need pitching. The problem is pitching. Unless the pitching gets better they will not move up from 90+ loss seasons. They need better starting pitchers and better relief pitchers. The Reds have the worst starting pitching in baseball. The team ERA is over 6 and rising. Adding Mike Truot, Senzel, Winker would not make any difference unless the pitching is improved. This is the worst pitching staff in the history of the Reds.

  9. Congrats to Jesse Winker and his 6 game no out streak.
    He will enter tomorrow’s game without having made an out in 6 days.

  10. Why is Price using his closer when we are losing 9-0 in the ninth? He can’t need the work that badly.

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