After losing two out of the three to the St. Louis Cardinals, the Cincinnati Reds (45-66) welcome the San Diego Padres (49-61) to Great American Ball Park for the first of a four-game series. First pitch is at 7:10 EDT.

The Padres come into town having lost four of the last six games, including a walk-off loss in Pittsburgh on Sunday. The fourth place team in the NL West is last in nearly every offensive category in the NL, but that did not stop them from scoring 19 runs in the three-game sweep of the Reds at Petco Park in June. The Padres also have a team ERA of 4.66 ERA, 11th in the NL, and have given up a total of 144 home runs, but it still isn’t as bad as the Reds’ team ERA of 5.17, last in the NL.

Starting Pitchers

Pitcher IP ERA xFIP K% BB%
Tim Adleman 104.2 5.42 5.70 20.8% 9.5%
Jhoulys Chacin 126.1 3.99 4.24 19.7% 8.5%

Just as fast as Tim Adleman was ushered out of the starting rotation, he is back in the rotation, as he fills in for Robert Stephenson, who was put on the 10-day DL Sunday for an elbow contusion. (Stephenson seems likely to only miss one start, however). In Adleman’s last start on July 29 against Miami, he did not make it through five innings, giving up six runs on six hits and four walks.

Adleman’s biggest issue has been the home run ball. He’s given up 24 home runs in 104.2 innings. In his two seasons in the majors, he’s been a fly ball pitcher, with a 45.5 FB% in both 2016 and 2017. However, in 35 more innings pitched this season, he’s already given up 11 more home runs. He’s also walked 23 more batters (43) than in 2016, which has only added to his problems.

Jhoulys Chacin has been the best pitcher in the Padres rotation in 2017, and he has drastically improved from the beginning of the season to now. In April and May, Chacin had a 5.82 ERA and 5.70 ERA, respectively. His ERA was 3.00 in June and a sparkling 2.51 ERA in July. The difference? He stopped giving up home runs, allowing just two in July compared to 13 combined in the three months prior. Chacin has had a little luck on his side too. His BABIP in the month of May was .347, and in the month of July, it was .143.

Chacin has already faced the Reds once this season. In San Diego, he pitched seven innings of five-hit, two-run baseball, in which he struck out four and earned the win.


Padres                                                               Reds

1. Manuel Margot (CF)
2. Carlos Asuaje (2B)
3. Jose Pirela (LF)
4. Yangervis Solarte (3B)
5. Wil Myers (1B)
6. Hunter Renfroe (RF)
7. Austin Hedges (C)
8. Dusty Coleman (SS)
9. Jhoulys Chacin (P)
1. Billy Hamilton (CF)
2. Zack Cozart (SS)
3. Joey Votto (1B)
4. Adam Duvall (LF)
5. Scooter Gennett (2B)
6. Eugenio Suarez (3B)
7. Jesse Winker (RF)
8. Tucker Barnhart (C)
9. Tim Adleman (P)

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-No Padres hitter has faced Adleman.


Even with Homer Bailey’s short outing yesterday, the Reds should have everyone available for the start of this series. After playing a twelve-inning game on Sunday, the Padres bullpen may be a bit limited.

Stat of the Day

Joey Votto could be the all-time home run leader at Great American Ball Park as early as tonight. His home run Sunday was also the 250th in his career, and his 29th in 2017. The only other season Votto has hit more than 30 home runs? His MVP season in 2010.

News and Notes

-Congratulations to the Mesoraco family on the birth of Luke!

-Jim Day interviewed David Letterman at GABP yesterday. My favorite quip from the retired late night host was the “Did we win?” after the Eugenio Suarez home run.

-Jose Siri gets rewarded for his hitting in the month of July.

-Tonight’s game is the free game of the day on MLB.TV (for out-of-market fans).

Final Thoughts

Just when you thought the Reds might start playing better, as evidenced by winning two of three in Pittsburgh and taking the first game of the St. Louis series, the team loses two straight in games where the offense goes quiet (exception: Joey Votto) and the pitching melts down again.

Such is the life of a rebuilding team. Fans have seen flashes of hope from young guys like Luis Castillo and Jesse Winker, but with that hope comes the bad, like Homer Bailey’s struggles to return to what he once was and guys who really shouldn’t be on a major league roster (*ahem* Lisalverto Bonilla). It’s a slow process, and we can only hope the patience pays off in the end.

Go Reds!

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  1. Winker should lead off and BH 9th.

  2. Swap Hamilton with Winker and that’s a solid lineup. If I was Williams and I saw this lineup, I’d be calling Price asking him why one of the guys with the best OBP on the team is batting 7th

  3. Where is Hunter Greene? Has he reported to any minor league team? I do not see him on the Billings roster. Is he taking the summer off?

  4. I agree with you Cincity but Price really believes as Dusty did in batting your fastest guy in the lead off spot.Remember at one time he had Billy followed by Peraza.

  5. Of course Billy leads off with a triple.Shut my mouth.

  6. Cozy follows with a walk.I like walks in front of Votto who singles Cozy to third.

  7. Well that didn’t go so good.

  8. Scooter-mania has faded. Wish we could have moved him at the deadline. He’s reverted quickly to the guy the Brewers cut. Certainly has no business batting 5th.

  9. If there was a gold medal for getting the least out of promising innings, I think the Reds would win it.

  10. Per Thom…For the first batter of the games the Reds have the best avg/obp/slg. in the whole major leagues.

    • Any idea what this means, possibly 1st inning batters or is it just nonsense?

    • Prob BS? He also said a few weeks ago that Lorenzen hadn’t had a 1-2-3 inning since May. It was wrong….of course

  11. Is it to early to think about a no hitter for Adleman?

  12. I agree and sometimes I feel like we are in trouble rather then the pitcher when we have men in scoring position when just a fly ball gets us a run.

  13. Won’t comment on Adleman because well I just won’t do it.

  14. The Cardinals don’t fool around. They have sent Grichuk down before and now Piscotty was sent down to AAA.

    • Just going to post that! If you have 2 good months as a Red….you’re there for a season and a half minimum. They’re not results oriented. Too worried they’ll hurt someones feelings.

  15. Pitch to Winker was outside.

  16. I agree Vegas.

  17. Hamilton is now 2nd in MLB in triples.
    Votto is 4th in positional WAR in the NL and leads the NL in games played.
    Tucker Barnhart is leading the NL in defensive WAR. This is a very good defensive team.

    • I thought saw somewhere he was below average defensively, him and Mes, were near bottom, Turner slightly better I thought he threw a ton of runners out though

      • Tucker is great throwing base runners out, but both he and especially Devon are far below average in framing. Read that in a previous RLN post, too. Devon often makes good pitches look bad the way he stabs at balls resulting in the glove moving away from the strike zone.

  18. Tucker is really good behind the plate and I really though he would hit for a little more power this year.

  19. Billy is choking up….1st time I’ve noticed

  20. Cozart with a walk and a hit. I think he’s worth $20 mil for 2 years with a $3 mil buyout for 2020. Something like that? I doubt anyone would give him a full 3 year deal with his injuries

    • He has not dropped off offensively at all despite multiple trips t the DL

    • Are you serious? Cozart should see what he can get as a free agent and take the best deal. The Reds have several potential shortstops in the system and should move to see what they can do. We would be screaming bloody murder if Cozart had a multi- year deal was injured again and playing to the back of his base card.

  21. Votto …outta here!!

  22. Classic Votto home run. Classic.

  23. Joey is just well really good.

  24. Not impressed w/Chacin. Scratch him off the free agent wish list. Lance Lynn gets away with 80% sinking fastballs but this guy can’t….not in gabp anyway?

  25. I agree Indy but Lynn has no where near the stuff he used to have.I am surprised the league hasn’t caught up with him but I feel they will.Lynn has to pitch now but give him credit he throws his fastball most of the time and he takes some off at 86 and then he goes 92 or 93 on others.This seems to be what he throws most of the time.I guess its the speed difference and of course location that works for him.

  26. I let the dog out and the no no is over with. I thought tonight was it.

  27. Votto hit that home run opposite field while chocked up. Just Plain Joey.

  28. Adleman trying to go full Bailey but Scooter saved him a run

  29. Tim Adleman, whom the Reds can’t seem to remove from the rotation.

  30. Two doubles and a two strike homer.You can set your watch and know exactly when take off is going to be.Guy would be a great two or three inning reliever.

  31. Tim Adelman is back …2 run shot on an 0-2 pitch

    • Yep anytime he goes 0-2 they should just intentially walk the batter. The outcome is better than the Homer he gives up.

  32. I would personally drive Adleman back to his deli to work. I’m so #&$_#$+#*#@#@(% of his bs act

    • It seems inconceivable that the Reds don’t have a better option, doesn’t it?

      • Tyler Mahle or Reed. They could try something different. They’re always a day late and a dollar short

        • Reed has a WHIP of 1.594 in AAA, while Mahle just started pitching in AAA. Any other ___ ideas?

          • WHIP? Only whip I know of is the camera man trying to catch up with one of Adleman’s beef balls and is breaks someone fingers in the upper deck. HE SUCKS
            How much time did Castillo spend at AAA? That would be ZERO. Mahle outpitched Castillo the entire time they were teammates

          • Mahle should have been starting beginning in June or July. We’re wasting Votto time as in when Votto’s abilities fall off a cliff. May not happen in another couple years but IT WILL. We need Castillo and Mahle to develop as quick as possible to get in a great year or two of contention before the Votto train derails.

        • They can’t — or won’t — put Mahle on the 40-man roster, but couldn’t they put Dilson Herrera on the 60-day DL and give Mahle that spot? DFA Blake Wood, or send Adleman or Shackleford down to make room on the 25-man.

          • St. Louis will demote their best hitter from 2016 but we won’t even cut Alcantara. He’s hit a mighty .111 since May with zero walks….lol

          • Well, if not Alcantara, they’d have to have another backup infielder for when Cozart needs a day off. But yeah, he could go too.

          • Wood has been pitching pretty solid lately, lets see how he does

          • I say get rid of Shakleford or Bonilla before Woods

          • I have to admit…big Lorenzen fan and Blake Wood drives me nuts but they’ve been about the same this year. Not great but not that bad either

    • Sooo .. you’re upset at a fringe ML player? OK.

      • Its not the fringe player really…..its that the Reds are a fringe team! It doesn’t have to be that way. St. Louis sent down Piscotty today. He was prob their best hitter last year. They expect results. We just run out Arroyo’s, Adleman’s, Alcantara, any other piece of garbage player starting with the letter A. You’re good to go all year….results don’t matter

        • Good to go all year? Arroyo last pitched when? Adleman is only back in the rotation due to injury, and Alcantara has a whopping 101 AB’s. I’m NOT an Alcantara fan but I can understand giving him enough rope to hang his career. He was once a top Cubs prospect.

          • Arroyo got hurt. That’s the only thing that might endanger their standard of 90+ losses. The guys they choose have to get hurt to allow someone with an actual future to play. Cmon man? You know this isn’t a true rebuild.

  33. Adleman didn’t get any help on that 2-0 pitch from the ump …

  34. Everytime Jenkins runs out to the mound my whole body hurts.

  35. Won’t matter.Got to go just cant witness two melt downs on back to back days.

  36. Winker is rolling over on every pitch away. They need to get him going the other way….that’s how he got there!

  37. Don’t know if the TV broadcast covered this, but listening on way home from store, Jim Kelch said this is the 13th straight start that Adleman has allowed at least one home run.

    Unless a guy has Scherzer/Robbie Ray/Verlander high strikeout potential each and every start, that is a tough leak to plug over the long haul of a season.

    Maybe the Reds can keep Chacin and let Adleman return to that Death Valley of a park out in San Diego?

  38. What a great play by Cozart/Barnhart. Cozy got rid of the ball in a split second.

  39. You’re gone deli boy. One out from a possible win…lol. He’s giving up rockets and our D has bailed him twice already!

  40. I thought Indy Red Man said he would never watch the Reds again. The Cardinals must be off. The guy is the most negative phony Reds fan on the planet.

    • Yeah, wish he would never comment on the Reds again either. The whining gets old.

      • Fine…George Grande it if you want but its not sunshine & lollipops to me. This team should be better. SD has nothing and they’re 4.5 games ahead of us. They have nobody that would start for the Reds. Wil Myers if you put him in the OF

    • Dude…I’ve forgot more baseball then you’ll ever know. I just get tired of losing.

      • You do not know baseball. Saying you do proves the point. You are negative and anti-Reds. After a while the whining gets boring.

        • Whatever you say man. I’ve seen some of your posts and you’ve been pretty negative. Next time someone is hot or cold…break it down fundamentally for us? I do it all the time. I know the game. Whatever you think though…you win

    • Never considered that he was a Cards fan. Figures.

  41. That Price move was bush league.

    Jeff Brantley, as much as I like him, should not be covering for Price.

    It’s fine to teach a lesson to a young pitcher and pull him one out from a win, if that pitch was Adleman’s fault and not on Barnhart.

    Adleman is 29, won’t be here next year, on a last place team, in a meaningless game in August. He was due up first and had only thrown 76 pitches. Giving him one more batter to clean up his mess is no big deal.

    If Price tried to pull that with an accomplished pitcher, say a Met, the Mets pitchers would roll their eyes and the New York media would all over him post-game.

  42. I sort of agree with you but if Adleman didn’t give the hitter a 0-2 cookie for a HR then Price wouldn’t have been scared of that matchup

  43. Wil Myers should not be thrown anything near the middle of the plate. He is in full time struggle mode.

  44. 2 run bomb DOOO VALLLL

  45. Duvall !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Suffer the strikeouts, reap the reward when he doesn’t !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  46. Duvall never gets cheated on homers. I don’t think he ever has hit one that just clears the wall.

    • His meaningless three run homer in Yankee stadium when Homer started and the Reds lost 9-5 barely cleared the 310 ft wall in right field. Usually though Duvall does hit them well beyond.

  47. Duvall y’all! I will toot my horn a little on him. I’ve been on his bandwagon since the beginning and every writer on here wanted to trade him for prospects. That short swing is easy power….shorter the swing and the quicker you can end a slump!

  48. Thom is just an awful announcer. Wonder if he even knows there is a game going on

  49. Any body that would platoon Duvall with either Winker or Scheble rshouln’t be managing at the ML level.

    • Bou — has anybody done that or paid more than lip service to that? Seems to me that Duvall is a lock, with the other two spots TBD. Schebler should be the most worried, despite the injury.

  50. All the pitchers with blown out shoulders and elbows and other injuries and here is this guy with a crazy delivery.

    • This dude is similar to the Dodgers’ Alex Wood. Herky-jerky, hide the ball behind him as long as possible.

      He did not hide that last delivery to Cozart, though. Held it up by his ear and Cozart was all over it.

  51. Sheesh, how did Cozart even get on top of that pitch? And it’s a home run. Amazing.

  52. 3rd 2 run bomb of the night….Cozart!

  53. Ok….they have to keep Cozart if they can. They have no replacements. He’s a better hitter then Suarez when he’s in there.

    Here’s a thought. Why not bat Suarez 2nd since he’s getting on base so often. Cozart can clean up the Rbis in the 5 hole!

    • Winker/Suarez/Votto/Duvall/Cozart Lefty Righty LRL. Senzel comes in 6th and swaps with Suarez when he proves he’s a better hitter

    • I wouldn’t move him out of the 2nd spot for anything. Don’t monkey with his mojo.

  54. So, according to the site, I’m suppose to “Tell us what you’re thinking”…

    I’m thinking the Reds need to re-sign Cozart.

    • It is so opposed to what I wanted/expected to happen, but yeah, it might make sense. Indy suggested 2 years, $20 million. I could see overpaying a little to keep the contract short. And if other teams want to risk longer contracts with him, let ’em.

  55. I am continually amazed at how worked people get over who is or isn’t on the roster or where they hit. Fans have zero ability to impact any of those. I find watching the games relaxing and while sure I wished we were winning more I also understand I have zero say in who plays so I watch and drive over from indy once a month to see a live game and enjoy every minute.

  56. ya know, Thom drives me nuts, so I try to follow the video but with the radio audio. I’m getting a discussion about breakfast cereal.

    • Yeah, about half of all announcers drive me nuts, and the Reds certainly have their share …

      If Dick Vitale is crossing the street I shouldn’t be driving (that’s a joke folks).

      • Vitales act is old. Can’t stand him. I like the Mets announcers. They have me laughing quite a few times during the game.

  57. Checking back in and good job by the good guys.Looks like our formula of when we hit em out we win is still a good one.Also noticed the 4 walks and 3 of them scored via the homers.Walks are good.

  58. “Wil Myers’ situation is nothing like Votto’s.”

    No, it isn’t, Thom.

    -The Padres openly admitted they were running a AAAA starting pitching staff to start the season. Full on tank mode, going for no 1 pick, trade off anyone they can.

    -San Diego isn’t the team supposed to be “sorting in ’17, to contend in ’18”. (Remember when that seemed believable back in the off-season?)

    -Padres payroll – 90M
    -Reds payroll- 113M

    Yet the Padres have the better record than the Reds entering tonight’s game.

    Thom saying Votto and the Reds can look down on Myers and the Padres is a sad commentary on the state of the franchise.

    • Don’t be a negative Nelly now:) Truthfully…its embarrassing. How many times a year do they play LA, Arizona, and Colorado? Maybe the big park helps? SD is 29-27 at home. Lack of hitting is easier to overlook when they can’t take you deep either.

      • LOL.

        When all the pieces fit, I think the Reds future is really bright.

        But, I think this season has gotten to Thom tonight. Empty ballpark. Two bad teams.

        He is saying more crazy crap than usual, even pressing Brantley on his sleep habits and daily routine. It became uncomfortable to listen to, switched over to radio through my phone.

  59. That’s one of the weirdest deliveries I’ve ever seen? Thought I’ve seen him b4 but I don’t remember the behind-the-back pitch?

  60. Patrick Kivleslam !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • I think PK has played 2B before? Why not platoon him w/Scooter? Or Blandino. He’s 2-3 with a HR tonite and .380ish obp! Scooter is a little guy and I don’t think 500 atbats is for him

  61. I had not been following closely. My initial reaction was not surprise on the Granny, but wonderment on how Alcantara got on base.

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