2017 Reds / Game Thread

Reds vs. Cardinals – August 6, 2017

As the Reds prepare for the rubber game of the three-game weekend set against the Cardinals at Great American Ball Park, we present you with some pre-game nostalgia.

Long-time baseball fans remember a day when not every game was televised, and the only way to catch the game live if you weren’t at the ballpark was via radio. If you remember these days of yore, you might really like this YouTube channel: Classic Baseball on the Radio. The link goes to a continuous live stream of classic radio broadcasts.

This channel includes many archived Reds broadcasts, including the one below from the 1976 season. Play the video, and you’ll hear Marty Brennaman interviewing Manager Sparky Anderson on the “Main Spark” pre-game show. If you grew up glued to Reds radio in the 1970s, many memories will come flooding back as you listen.

Advance to the post-game Star of the Game show, and you’ll hear Joe Nuxhall interview Fred Norman, who had just pitched his fourth shutout of the season (in mid-July!). Some Redleg Nation member can certainly tell us who the last Reds pitcher was to have four shutouts by mid-July, but it’s nobody in recent memory.

Hope you enjoy a few moments of audio that take you back to a day as a young Reds fan before streaming video and Gameday pitch-by-pitch game summaries.

Starting Pitchers

Name IP ERA xFIP K% BB%
Adam Wainwright 110.1 4.89 4.04 19.6% 7.2%
Homer Bailey 39.1 7.32 5.17 12.2% 8.5%

At first glance, today’s pitching matchup would appear to clearly favor St. Louis. What’s not evident in the numbers above is that Bailey has four quality starts (defined as six or more innings pitched and three or fewer runs allowed) in his last six. After getting hammered in his first two starts, he’s showing signs of at the very least being a pitcher you can count on to keep your team in the game. That’s not all bad for a guy who has missed most of two years after multiple surgeries on his pitching arm.

Bullpen

Everyone should be available, except Blake Wood, who went two impressive innings Saturday night, striking out four. That performance showed flashes of what prompted the Reds to sign him two years ago. As we know two years later, the flashes are too infrequent.

Starting Lineups

Cardinals Reds
1B Matt Carpenter CF Billy Hamilton
CF Tommy Pham SS Zack Cozart
SS Paul DeJong 1B Joey Votto
LF Jose Martinez LF Adam Duvall
C Yadier Molina 2B Scooter Gennett
2B Kolten Wong 3B Eugenio Suarez
RF Randal Grichuk RF Jesse Winker
3B Greg Garcia C Tucker Barnhart
P Adam Wainwright P Homer Bailey

News and Notes

As is evident from today’s lineup, Zack Cozart is off the disabled list …

Other roster moves today …

59 thoughts on “Reds vs. Cardinals – August 6, 2017

  1. Disappointing to see Jesse Winker batting #7.

    In the 2nd half, Scooter Gennett has been the player the Brewers cut. He’s hitting .244/.289/.385 with negative defensive value. Sure hope the Reds tried hard to trade him when he was at high value.

    • Thank you Steve. Scooter shouldn’t be batting 5th. He is slumping but the love fest for him is clouding people’s minds. Did you know he hit 4 home runs against the Cardinals? Let it die Thom!

      • At this point, it’s time to give Peraza his 2B job back, imo. Showing some notable improvements in his plate discipline in the second half. He has a 7.2 BB% (vs. 1.5% in first half) and is seeing 3.9 pitches per PA (vs. 3.5 in first half). His nine-pitch AB to end last night’s game is a perfect example.

        • Small sample size caveat, of course, but encouraging signs nonetheless. Price could still get Scooter plenty of playing time as the top guy off the bench.

        • I agree, Peraza is much better second baseman than SS, and sitting a guy who’s struggled at the plate all season just when it looks like he may be starting to turn it around doesn’t seem like the best idea to me……but what do I know, I would have lead off with Winker.

    • Sigh! Just when you think the light be coming on for Price he hits the “Dusty Trail” again.

      • The light never comes on in Price’s head. Captain Vanilla. Hey, let’s lay down a bunt.

    • Thom loves Scooter. Did you know he has a lot of RBI for not too many AB’s? He says it every game.

  2. There’s been some pretty steady rain in the Cincinnati area, but it looks like the bulk of it could be past by gametime. Don’t be surprised if there’s a delay at some point, particularly a delayed start.

      • Steve, what happened to Homer? Looks like the wheels fell off in one inning. Tell us what you saw in person when you get back, huh?

  3. I don’t care for this batting order in the least. Need to maximize Winker’s and Suarez’s bats, IMO. Also, Peraza has been swinging well lately and as was noted in the recap had one of his best ABs in the 9th last night. Have to see what we really have in these guys.

  4. Tom, thanks for the heads-up on the YouTube channel.

    However, you don’t have to be a long-time fan to experience the Reds not televising every game. It has happened this season, and in seasons prior to this. That is literally a slap in the face to fans of this team, as the Reds are valued as a near-billion dollar operation ($915M by Forbes as of April).

    Everyone has known that the cable TV model is in deep trouble and destined for change.
    The Reds had a chance to be a leader, to get out in front, and set up a broadcast deal that would keep them from being doomed to the small market/small TV revenue loop they are in.

    Instead?

    “We’re still a small-market team that has a (new) rights deal comparable to the size of our market, versus the deals that the bigger markets have,” Castellini said.

    http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/mlb/reds/2016/10/19/reds-fox-sports-ohio-extend-partnership-through-2032/92418972/

    Through 2032.

    Hopefully, Dick Williams can work wonders, because the business operations of the Reds is tired, lazy and a complete shambles.

    • Sliotar, cable TV will go the way of the newspaper. It’s in its early stages now, as people are switching from cable and satellite to streaming services. The companies that will win that battle are the ones that successfully bundle Internet services with streaming TV. Currently, the model is that most folks still have their cable and Internet bundled. When we went to streaming, we had to cancel our cable but keep our Internet from the cable company, which made for a semi-contentious phone call to cancel the cable. When it’s easy for the average person who knows nothing about how streaming works vs. cable TV, that’s when the floodgates will open.

      At some point, each channel will have its own ala carte streaming service that you can purchase, either for all programming or a specific program. Currently, our Roku TV has apps for nearly all of the major cable networks you can name. We can access them through our DirecTVNOW login. At some point the middleman will be gone, and each network will handle their own streaming and ecommerce.

      Ironically, when that happens, MLB — which is currently at the forefront of self-streaming — will be one of the big benefactors. MLBAM (http://www.mlbam.com/) is the streaming service created by MLB, and is now one of the leading streaming services on the globe: https://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/09/how-disney-mlb-advanced-media-deal-sets-them-up-for-the-future.html

      Each of the MLB teams is considered an ownership partner in MLBAM, which according to the link immediately above has a value of $3 billion, which adds about $100 million to each team’s net worth. That will only continue to grow.

      • Unfortunately for us high up on a mtn. Directv is all we hsve. We can’t stream because it eats up all our time allowance on our phones. So I’m stuck wirh 200 channels and nothings on.

      • Tom, I appreciate the explanation, and I apologize for the rant.

        It still strikes a nerve with me that the Reds, in 2017, still don’t care enough/won’t spend the money to broadcast all 162 games.

        Why not go shorter term in years, and/or add in opt-outs? Give themselves time to carve out a Sunday over-the-air game of the week throughout (what used to be) Reds Country, get FC Cincinnati’s broadcast rights, and cross-promote to a young and growing soccer demographic, etc, etc

        The Reds gave away their most important leverage, live territorial broadcast rights, for a generation, in exchange for simply lining ownership’s pockets directly through an equity stake.

        Sad.

    • They took the only deal they had. They had no other viable options. Cincinnati doesn’t have a NHL or NBA team so creating a network was a non starter and no distributor is going to put on 6 months of The Best of Bernie Stowe or Mike LaCoss’ Treasure Chest

  5. Great play by Carpenter.

    Walking the #8 hitter to get to the pitcher. NL baseball…catch the excitement!

  6. Just tuned in and am leaving again but how can their pitcher throw 88 pitches in 3 innings,walk 5 guys,give up 4 hits and we only score 3 runs on a homer by Votto.Maybe the box score is all messed up.

  7. Hope so because this is just pitiful.Maybe start a fight or hit a couple of their guys but please show some emotion.I know Homer is still in spring training mode but good grief do something.Get mad throw something or throw somebody.

    • I’m sick of hearing that Homer is in “spring training mode” or that “he’s young and still learning the game.” Really, all of these guys have been playing and learning baseball for 15 years or more. When will they learn the game? If Homer is in spring training mode, why isn’t he in the minors getting sharp? Why can’t 95% of the Reds major leaguers bunt? Wait until next year when Hamilton (can’t hit or bunt), Suarez, Peraza (.250 career hitters) and Bailey are starting every day and they lose 95 games. Bad team, poor management and a front office who have no idea what a real ball player looks like. This team could lose 95+ games every year for 10 years that the next year they would lose 95 again. When the good people of Cincinnati stop supporting this poorly run organization, only then will things change. Poor announcers have to talk for 20 minutes on birthday cake to keep from laughing or saying, damn this team sucks.

      • Exactly…spring training mode was when he was throwing 4 innings in minor league games 2 months ago

      • Nothing brings out the joy in fans than losing. There has never been a multi- year baseball rebuild that was loved by fans. Cubs fans are my heroes. They went 108 years without winning a championship. They are an amazing group. After 102 years they went 4 years losing 100 games per year and they still still loved the “Cubbies”. Reds fans give up. Cubs fans endure.

  8. Atta boy Matheny don’t let Wainwright pick up a cheap win.Manager has some guts.

    • The Cardinals, as bad as they are, are still in the hunt for a playoff birth. They aren’t drafting in the top 10 every year like the Reds, but yet they find ballplayers to include pitchers. The Padres, who like the Reds are considered one of the worst teams in MLB, kicked the human waste out of the Reds earlier in the year and will do so again next week.

  9. Why is Lisalverto Bonilla occupying a major league roster spot? He has done nothing in multiple call-ups to suggest to deserves a major league paycheck. The Reds would be better off setting up a tee at home plate than allowing Bonilla to “pitch.”

    • He is just a placeholder — one of several guys they are cycling through when they need to add a long reliever to the 25-man roster. Adleman didn’t pitch today because he is probably going to start for Stephenson.

      • The placeholder gets beaten like a piñata most outings. At this point, it is obvious what the team has inBonilla. What’s the point of trotting him out there, save maybe earning a Top 3 draft pick. Bonilla stinks,pure and simple.

    • He has accomplished one of the few CG in past seasons, we will probably be saying the same about Wojo next start but Friday’s was decent

    • how was his velocity today? Heard it was way down last outing but got threw it, current stats look awful, wonder if they should consider making him a reliver for a few years like Braves did with HoFer Smoltz

  10. Teams can not win without good pitching. Cursing the darkness will not create good pitching. As predicted before the season started by every baseball expert….”The Reds are not a good team. San Diego and the Reds have the worst pitching baseball. The Reds will finish last in the NL Central and will lose 95+ games”. The experts were right.

  11. Wow, with the way the ump was squeezing some of the other pitchers, he calls THAT as strike three to Gennett? Even in a blowout, call an honest game, Blue.

  12. Scooter walks back to the dugout, and the TV camera shows a guy in the first row wearing a Red Sox hat.

    They are like locust, infesting every ball park, everyday, apparently.

  13. I was going to ask if anybody thought we would score but then I looked and we went down on 5 pitches so I guess we know the answer.As bad as it is today we will end up scoring only 7 runs in the last 4 games and well that’s bad.Hitters just getting tired of being out of so many games so early I guess.

  14. Glad to see they got Hamilton, who was grimacing multiple times today, out of there in a blowout.

  15. Has Alcantara been up with the Reds all year?His average and OBP are below 200.

    • Maybe. They could still be showcasing him and hoping to get him through waivers to deal him. If not, they’ll need to pull on their big boy panties and make a decision on whether to resign him or let him walk in FA.

  16. See you next time Reds Fans. I can’t stand to watch anymore of this crap. Keep the faith and don’t forget The Cincinnati Reds motto “Wait until next year”.

  17. While the Reds are rebuilding, sorting & developing their way through another 90+ loss season, what they are definitely not doing is expanding the fan base. As a matter of fact, the fan base is contracting. Who wants to watch the home team perform miserably in a somewhat hostile environment at home? By the way it is a somewhat hostile site for the Reds when they play the Cubs, Cards, even Pirates at GABP. By the time the Reds are competitive again, fewer will care.

  18. I’m not so sure. I recall many games at Crosley Field years ago when the Reds drew 5 to 10 thousand fans, and they’re still around. When the Reds start to win at a .500 plus clip the fans will again come out of the woodwork. Most ML cities, except the biggest metro areas and St. Louis, go through a similar thing.

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