2017 Reds / Game Thread

Reds at Marlins — July 29, 2017

Rinse, repeat. Last night saw another young Reds (41-62) starting pitcher struggle, a bullpen implosion, and little excitement from the offense after the first inning. They’ll look to snap their five-game losing streak and avoid another series loss to the Marlins (48-53) tonight at 7:10 p.m.

Starting Pitchers

Name IP ERA xFIP K% BB%
Tim Adleman 100.1 5.11 5.00 21.5% 9.1%
Adam Conley 41.2 5.62 5.38 16.7% 9.7%

Raise your hand if you expected Tim Adleman to throw 100+ innings for the Reds this season. (Put your hand down, you liar!) The right-hander is poised to pass Scott Feldman for the team lead in innings pitched in his start today, though his time in the starting rotation may be running out. His last seven starts have not been good, as he’s allowed a 6.69 ERA (5.02 xFIP) and 11 home runs in 36.1 innings. Additionally, Anthony DeSclafani is set to pitch for Low-A Dayton tonight and could be back in a couple of weeks, while Feldman is throwing again after being shut down with a knee injury. If the Reds stick with their young pitchers (which they should), that leaves Adleman on the outside looking in. As some have noted, including Doug Gray over at RedsMinorLeagues.com, he could be a nice piece in the bullpen moving forward.

Adleman vs. Marlins

Adleman has never faced any current Marlins hitter.


Following a decent sophomore season in 2016 (1.4 fWAR), the Marlins were counting on Adam Conley to take another step forward at age 27. He was penciled in as the No. 5 starter but struggled over his first six starts. The team demoted him to Triple-A on May 8, and while he didn’t pitch well in New Orleans (5.49 ERA), they recalled him on July 18. In two outings since returning, the left-hander has impressed, allowing only two runs in 13 innings. Overall, however, there have been some alarming trends for Conley, namely his dropping strikeout rate. Last season, he was right at league average with a 21.2 K% but that number has taken a sizable dip this year to 16.7 percent in the majors and 14.9 percent in the minors.

Conley vs. Reds

Lineups

Reds

Marlins

CF Billy Hamilton (63 wRC+) 2B Dee Gordon (85 wRC+)
3B Eugenio Suárez (112 wRC+) RF Giancarlo Stanton (143 wRC+)
1B Joey Votto (153 wRC+) CF Christian Yelich (111 wRC+)
LF Adam Duvall (115 wRC+) LF Marcell Ozuna (136 wRC+)
RF Patrick Kivlehan (75 wRC+) C J.T. Realmuto (127 wRC+)
2B Scooter Gennett (138 wRC+) 3B Derek Dietrich (84 wRC+)
C Devin Mesoraco (92 wRC+) 1B Tomas Telis (85 wRC+)
SS José Peraza (52 wRC+) SS Miguel Rojas (96 wRC+)
Tim Adleman (5.00 xFIP) P Adam Conley (5.38 xFIP)

— With a left-hander on the mound, Scott Schebler is on the bench today. Patrick Kivlehan is starting in his place and, rather curiously, batting fifth.

News, Notes, and Pre-Game Reading

Aaaand there goes any chance of trading Zack Cozart before the Monday trade deadline:

As our own Jim Walker pointed out, the Reds choosing to bring up Kevin Shackelford means they’ll continue to operate with a short bench.

Nice story on Jesse Winker returning home this weekend:

Interesting read here. Kind of goes along with what I wrote a few days ago about previous Reds deadline deals.

This isn’t Reds-related, but it’s worth noting that the Marlins traded their closer to the Mets after last night’s game:

Miami got rid of a top reliever but also got one back today:

The Reds apparently knew Dilson Herrera might need shoulder surgery when they acquired him last year. Makes you wonder why they put it off for so long.

Final Thoughts

The competition for the No. 1 pick is heating up. Although the Reds have closed the gap on the Phillies, who are on a modest two-game winning streak, the White Sox have lost four straight and are charging hard for the top selection. Will Cincinnati get even closer tonight or will they snap their losing skid?

43 thoughts on “Reds at Marlins — July 29, 2017

  1. What’s everybody’s take on Mesoraco?Will he ever return to somewhere near the player he was before all the injuries?Is he part of the future?

    • Good God they could have brought up Winker to play right tonight but nooooo we got Kivlehan.

    • It’s really kind of a moot point. He’s a catcher who’s already in his age 29 season, so theoretically he’s already lost 2 of his prime years. I doubt he’ll ever replicate his 2014 season, but if he could stay healthy he might have a few years of above-average production left.

      But I sincerely doubt he will stay healthy, so I say forget about him and appreciate Tucker Barnhart, who has done a commendable job.

    • He will be part of a reds catching duo next year…no major setbacks injury wise….but in ST….it was go slow and give him an extra month….well….it’s August and he’s a non-factor who makes $13 million next year.

    • Here’s his stat line for tonight: 8 H 5 ER 5 K 2 BB

      Mediocre at best. I always skip Adleman’s starts

  2. I typically don’t pretend to be a MLB executive and second guess every decision that is made, but the Bruce trade makes absolutely zero sense to me. I realize the Schebler provides similar value at a lower cost, but that cannot justify trading a proven starter, still under contract, for an injured prospect. Especially considering they supposedly backed away from another player for injury concerns. This combined with the reports that the Cozart deal fell through because of the Bruce trade complications makes it even worse. Now Cozart can’t be traded and likely will not be extended choosing free agency at the end of the year, and the Reds got an injured minor league player for Bruce. While nothing is guaranteed with these trades I would assume whatever they were getting for Cozart and attempting to trade Bruce during the off season would have been a better option.

    • They very likely have not lost one more game because they don’t have Jay Bruce….. and they saved 12 million dollars……that’s really all you need to know. He had a very ” limited” market

      The Mets were unable to give away Bruce over the winter and no one seems to want him as a rental either.

      • While they save 12 million on him, they are still paying for Cozart who could have just as easily been traded. Keeping Cozart only worked out because Herrera was injured and Perazza has been horible. Your argument about wins is irrelevant for a rebuilding team. Winning games was not the goal for the year, acquiring/sorting talent was. I am not saying Bruce shouldn’t have been traded, just the trade for Herrera makes zero sense to me. I don’t consider trading for someone you know as damaged goods to be a successful strategy.

    • And Senzel hit his 123rd double and hitting .330 and Winker 2 more hits and disco 4 shutout innings and 6 K’s.

      • Good news

        Really trying to understand why Winker is not up playing every day with the Reds.

    • Yeah, he had Yelich set up 0-2 with fastballs. So, instead of throwing off speed just off the plate, he machos up and says hit this fastball if you can! As you said, JG, Yelich sends his thanks.

  3. Not for long because we are in the 4th and its about time to extend Aldeman for another inning or another batter or two and then bang its over.Just hanging around to see Price put this one away into the loss column.Actually I hope Aldeman rights the ship and we score a bunch the rest of the way but the money is on the first scenario.

  4. Its the pitcher! If Adleman can’t throw strikes on four seam fastballs to the pitcher, then his night is about over.

  5. Yes he will and we can script what will happen again.Gives us something to do.Ball park will be full after this road trip to see this team.

  6. Thank you Price for coming through for us an doing what we knew you would do.Chuck is right the manager makes no difference at all because a bunch of us could have done what Price just did and we aren’t no where near as baseball savvy as he is.

  7. Fortunately, the Reds have made sure the bullpen is stocked with plenty of mediocre minor league relief pitchers to mop up after the mediocre minor league starter gives up several runs. Now that’s what I call a rebuilding plan!

    • That’s right! Probably won’t get to see long ball Cingrani tonight but Blake Wood is rested to give up a couple.

  8. Reds are just a bad team. Not sure what can be done. Adleman has shown that he falls apart the third time through the order, which happened again. I guess you cannot crush the bullpen each game. Sad state of affairs.

  9. I am at the fort Wayne Tin Caps game vs Dayton where Disco started and went 4 innings of 1 hit ball. Game is tied 1-1 after 6.

  10. Reds stink, no doubt about it. But tonight is one of those nights that it doesn’t really matter. Saturday night, sitting on the patio with the game on the radio and a beverage in hand, listening to the sounds of summer and watching the sun set.

    Bad pitching staff, “rebuild”, Bryan Price, whatever. Win or lose, life is pretty good for tonight….

    • You got that right brother. The Reds stink but don’t let it change your life. Live everyday because tomorrow isn’t guaranteed.

  11. It doesn’t really matter, but, why is Alcantara on the Reds?

    Is a Rule 5 catcher really worth keeping?

  12. What is more frustrating is that they keep in the roster players that have underperformed and don’t have any chance of being part of the future, like Adleman, Alcantara and Turner. Why not give the chance to other players in the minors since there’s nothing to loose?

  13. Its ok guys because we have a plan.Set back and enjoy watching it unfold.Tomorrow Castillo goes for the good guys so lets watch him and hope he has a good one.

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