Yankees 9
Reds 5
Box Score

Phew, kids. I don’t even know what to say. The Reds just don’t go at all right now.

Encouraging Things

Homer was pretty solid, though he ran out of steam, at the end. It was nice to see pitch efficiency.

Joey Votto got on base 4 times, which is good. He did not make any outs, which is also good.

Suarez continues to bust out of his slump.

Adam Duvall hit a homer.

Discouraging Things

The Reds did not win at baseball. There were some errors. The Reds keep not winning and it is discouraging. I wish they would stop not winning and start winning.

Not So Random Thoughts

I was openly optimistic when this season started. It’s pretty impossible to be optimistic now. The question I’m asking myself is what does this team need in order to be good? Despite recent struggles, this is a solid team positionally. They just need pitching. I know “just” is a big thing, but lord, imagine if they were getting quality starts with ANY kind of consistency.  The Reds probably need to sign a starter this offseason. And the more money they can spend on that, the better off they’ll be.

114 Responses

  1. Old-school

    1.) Fix the bullpen again ( I thought we had).
    No….2018 Finnegan joins Peralta as shutdown tough lefties. Iglesias and Hernandez are power righties. Wood and cingrani are gone. They may need to sign a good bullpen arm. Maybe herget dominates ST. Maybe shackleford steps up.
    2.) Position players are NOT fixed. There are too many players who can’t do something. Duvall Suarez Votto and the catching duo are certains. Hamilton’s speed and defense in Cf…a critical position…. argues for him…in the 9 hole….Shortstop is a critical position and is now the #2 question behind……
    3.) SP – Mahle and Castillo appear to be the 2 young pitchers capable of becoming starters. Sign Alex Cobb or Lance Lynn..move lorenzen to the rotation. Homer and Disco you see how it goes. There’s no other option with them. Hope.

    The reds need Winker’s plate discipline and on base skills ahead of votto.suarez and duvall. They need desperately an infusion of Senzel’s elite talent every day.

    Schebler and scooter are solid lefty bats….but not sure everyday starters on the next great reds team. Peraza is potentially a nice utility infielder. Perhaps reed or Stephenson find a niche somewhere.

    • Old-school

      Add Romano to Castillo and Mahle.

    • CI3J

      Stephenson actually pitched pretty decent last time out, Price just left him out there too long.

      Looking forward to seeing him pitch tomorrow, if he’s actually started to figure it out, he could be a huge boost for the rotation, as he has elite-level stuff.

      • citizen54

        “Price just left him out there too long.”

        Sounds like common theme with regards to Price. Honestly, I am watching more games now that the Reds are starting Castillo, Stephenson, Romano and Bailey than I was when the Reds got off to that good start.

      • Gonzo Reds

        We could take the Dodgers philosophy and have 6 guys that all can go 5 innings and then they go to the pen. Oh, they do have a top of the rotation guy though, when he’s not on the DL…

  2. CI3J

    Ummm….. Didn’t the Yankees score 9, or did I hallucinate that?

    • big5ed

      They got a negative run in the 8th under the USGA handicap system.

      • CI3J

        Ah, yes, forgot about the handicap system. Gotta make it at least look respectable!

  3. Kap

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but we have the Bruce, Phillips, and Cosart contracts set to expire this offseason. And not many arbitration cases to settle (to my knowledge off the top of my head). Soooo that’s quite a bit of money.

    I like the idea of signing a pitcher like Alex Cobb. A good pitcher who probably won’t demand a ton of money that is constantly solid. I know most people will say “let the young guys pitch”, my god, where do you draw the line? Hypothetically, if they did sign Cobb, you have a rotation of: Homer, Disco (maybe), Cobb, Castillo, and the winner of the last sport between all of the other young pitchers. My thoughts on the matter in two paragraphs of ranting. Sorry

    • Chuck Schick

      If Alex Cobb is good enough to make a difference then he’s going to get paid…and the Reds can’t win a bidding war.

      • Kap

        Has to be better than what the Reds had start most of their games this year

      • old-school

        Maybe not. When they let Cozart go, they will only have the Votto contract past 2019…with a Homer modest buyout for 2020. Iglesias will get arbitration raises soon and they will need to decide what to do with Hamilton’s last 2 arbitration years….but they have some major budget decision upcoming. They can spend 130-140 million in 2019 -23. They can afford 5 years and 80 million for a solid FA starter.

  4. Timmy RedLeg

    Remember not to long ago when we had an influx of young middle infielders? Future was bright, up the middle. Today, we have more questions than answers.

  5. big5ed

    Good luck signing a starter in the off-season. Number one, when have the Reds ever signed a starter in the off-season? Number two, what decent pitcher would agree to pitch in that little bandbox called GABP, when something else was available?

    They could use some offensive upgrades, too. Peraza just can’t play at this level. Maybe he can in two years, but for now he is in way over his head. They also should have had Winker up here for the games in the American League, and rotate him and some of the corner guys in the DH role and the corners.

    So much for trading Cozart; he can’t outun Sean Casey.

    They still have a shot to “catch” the Phillies and get the first pick in the draft next year.

    • IndyRedMan

      Money talks….if they could pay a starter enough then they’d sign. I’d say the fact that the Reds are 90 game losers annually might hurt more then GABP if they’re weighing similar offers.

      • Gonzo Reds

        Shhh don’t mention Milton… he tends to show up and stay for weeks…

    • wkuchad

      “Number one, when have the Reds ever signed a starter in the off-season?”

      Um, are you forgetting Reds ace Eric Milton?

    • TR

      GABP is the fourth smallest outfield in ML baseball. Smaller outfields are in Boston, Cleveland and Philadelphia.

      • TR

        Of course this doesn’t factor in the height of the fences.

      • Broseph

        Yankee stadium is close, deeper in the gaps by a good chunk and only 4ft to center. The lines are where it brings it to GABP size overall. Even that Duvall homer was an easy out in basically every other ball park including GABP

    • lwblogger2

      “…he can’t outrun Sean Casey.” That made me almost shoot coffee out of my nose.

  6. Vandermint

    In 4 plate appearances, Votto saw 27 pitches today. Hamilton saw 11, same as Peraza. Both went 0-4. If they just went up there with the bat on their shoulders, at least we’d have added two more pitches of wear-and-tear on those Yankee arms.

    • Frog 'em

      Excellent point! These young players need more discipline. I was hoping Billy was gaining valuable insights from Votto, but it hasn’t seemed to have stuck.

      • jessecuster44

        If they haven’t learned plate discipline by now, its probably not happening.

      • lwblogger2

        Not unheard of for a player to really improve their plate discipline at this level (Cozart a good example) but it’s awfully rare. You’re right in that it probably isn’t happening.

      • jessecuster44

        I was, is, and forever will be dumbfounded by the Front Office’s willingness to trade Todd Frazier for Jose Peraza. What in the world did they see in this guy? Can’t get on base, not a great fielder, no power, but SPEED! Ugh.

      • lwblogger2

        And they definitely targeted Peraza as apparently he was also supposed to headline the failed Chapman deal.

      • greenmtred

        “…it hasn’t seemed to have stuck.” He’s been hitting quite well for awhile, before the o-fer yesterday. Quite a few o-fers yesterday. He has good streaks and bad streaks, no question, but so does everyone.

  7. Timmy RedLeg

    I also would like to add Cobb. He’s a ground ball pitcher. But I agree that it may be tough to sign a good pitcher because of GABP. Do I stand alone in wishing that they would move the fences back about 10 feet in the alleys?

    • Chuck Schick

      Moving the fences back wouldn’t be easy. You’d have to remove 10-15 rows of seats….along with all of the wiring and infrastructure under those rows. You’re talking about millions of dollars to do something that likely hurts the Reds offensively as much as it helps them defensively.

      It will never happen

    • IndyRedMan

      Yes….never liked it when the outfielder is fighting the fans for a hr plus you get too many lame ground-rule doubles. I like to see the ball kick off the wall and see how the OFer plays it.

      • WillieG

        GABP has a bark worse than its bite when it comes to being a bandbox. Only 9th in park effect, just ahead of Cleveland.

      • Steve Mancuso

        Important point. GABP gives up a lot of home runs. But short fences also cut down on doubles and triples. Multi-year park effect at Baseball-Reference is 101 where 100 is average. Baseball Prospectus breaks it down by RHB and LHB and both fields have been around 100 for Reds over past few years.

    • greenmtred

      I thought it was idiotic to build GABP that small at the time, since the place insists that you load your roster with one of the more expensive commodities in baseball. It probably would be cost-prohibitive to change it now, though losing the seats wouldn’t hurt much because there are always plenty of unfilled seats.

  8. WVRedlegs

    I thought most everyone was saying this team is fun to watch. What happened?
    Front office action is one thing that didn’t happen.
    Drew Storen is now the big trade chip.

    • IndyRedMan

      Iglesias? Why not? If the return is someone they could utilize w/Senzel and Hunter G. The Reds won’t be contending anytime soon

  9. BoKnows

    Fewest wins in baseball since 2014 (AKA the Bryan Price era):

    1. Philly 241
    2. REDS 249
    3. Twins 261
    4. Padres 262
    5. Atlanta 262

    Yes, he’s been hamstrung by injuries, poor FO, Dat Dude, Rebuilding, Global Warming, etc., etc. But as allegedly stated by Bill Parcells – you are who your record says you are.

    • GreatRedLegsFan

      UK to stop using internal combustion engines starting in 2040

    • Chuck Schick

      I love the Parcells quote, but a football team can rebuild in a year. Your draft picks play right away and free agency isn’t just something for the Giants and Bears. Teams don’t have to tank in the NFL

      • IndyRedMan

        Tell that to the Colts!

        Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf
        Andrew Luck or RG3….lol

  10. Timmy RedLeg

    I really do believe that they will have 5 starters that they will be pretty confident in, by the time regular season 2018 starts. Bailey,Disco,Castillo,Romano,Stephenson,Mahle,Garrett. I believe they can get 5 from that group. Barring injuries of course. On the offensive side, who’s our 8 position players? Barnhart & Mesoraco at catcher, 1B Votto, 2B Gennett, 3B Suarez, SS Peraza, OF of Duvall, Hamilton, Schebbler, Winker.??? Does that sound about right? It’s the best I can come up with off the top of my head. I’m assuming the Pen stays the same, in terms of the backend. Is that the team we wanna go to war with? I’m being sincere here. What are your guys thoughts?

    • CI3J

      If you were to ask me who the starting 5 is next year, I would say:


      I’m not sure we can count on Disco or Finnegan ever again going forward. But we’ll see. And of course if they make a trade/sign a FA, this is subject to change

      The only ones to keep for the bullpen are:

      LHP Peralta
      RHP Hernandez
      RHP Lorenzen
      RHP Iggy

      Again, barring trades.

      I would love to see this batting order next season:

      RF Winker
      SS Suarez
      1B Votto
      LF Duvall
      3B Senzel
      C Mesoraco/Barnhart
      CF Hamilton
      2B Peraza

      I think this would be a fairly exciting team to watch. There are still holes to fill, but it should be doable.

      • larry

        I agree with almost everything you said, except the Senzel inclusion in the 2018 lineup. This team has become so concerned about “starting” a players clock, I don’t think that we will see Senzel until May or June of 2019.

      • larry

        I hope that I am incorrect . I want Senzel playing in the bigs next year.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      Watching the two young pitchers the Yankees threw at the Reds spoke volumes to me. Those two guys were studs — they controlled both games. None of the Reds young pitchers of similar age is anywhere near those two. Castillo may get there, but he has not been consistent in the strike zone in his more recent starts. Opposing batters are laying off the breaking pitch and change that he hasn’t been throwing for strikes, and making good opposite-field contact with the fastball.

      Call me insane, but the best outing by a Reds pitcher other than Iglesias I have seen in the past few weeks was the recent two-inning relief outing by Wojciechowski. Everything was low in the strike zone with good velocity, and the Marlins batters weren’t even coming close to making solid contact. (I did not see his inning today.)

      All this year, I have been looking for young Reds pitchers who look like those two young Yankees pitchers, and haven’t seen any Reds starter dominate a game like those two NY pitchers did.

      • CP

        Severino was not very good either last year. Young pitchers are frustrating.

      • brunsfam

        Valid points TM. I have advocated the “we have to give Coach Price time” philosophy – thinking that he just doesn’t have the horses. He did a nice job as pitching coach for several years and I believed we’d see pitching develop as a strength of the team.
        And by “develop” I was thinking steady improvement with some good & bad outings mixed in. Plus a smart pitching approach that might help the young arms learn how to pitch smart, keep the ball down, change speeds, work ahead and compete. Instead, it sorta looks like a “throw ’em out there and see if they stick” approach. If they don’t stick then back to Louisville as a “message”.
        When he was pitching coach he did have some horses – so maybe he’s a better coach when he has talent that is already developed. There are coaches that do best when they stay out of the way and let players “do what they do”. The current Reds are obviously not in that situation.
        To your point, Larry Rothschild has done a nice job with the Yankee staff. The Yankees are 6th in team ERA and 3rd in WHIP in MLB. Interesting article on MLB.com regarding the Yankee’s pitching approach about a week back.

      • lwblogger2

        Yes and it is rather discouraging. I’ve been wanting to see young pitching like that as well and it really hasn’t been there. Severino had trouble last year adjusting to big-league hitters. He’s been a lot better this year, especially his last 3 starts. Hopefully the Reds’ starters can make even half that much progress.

  11. old-school

    Herrera having season ending shoulder surgery….but it sounds like a clean out for bone spurs as opposed to reconstructing anything. Maybe someone knows more? Price said healthy for ST. There might be a silver lining there.

    • lwblogger2

      If it actually solves the recurring shoulder issues, then it’s worth it. Hopefully he can be healthy for 2018 and find a way to contribute.

  12. Steve Checkosky

    Some (not much) help may be on the way.

    I attended the Louisville @ Syracuse game today. Came away with four strong impressions.

    1. Tyler Mahle is close to ready. Not likely to be a top of the rotation guy. But he will contribute. Six strikeouts and only two walks in 7.1 innings. Good command of his fastball. Consistently in the 91-93 range. w a couple of 94s and one 95 (for a strikeout). Surprisingly good command of his off speed pitches. The curve looks like an effective out pitch. Very poised for his age.

    2. DeShields left him in for 106 pitches! Mind boggling. I hope he has an arm left by next spring.

    3. Not impressed with Winker. On two occasions he leisurely jogged to first on a ground ball. On the second occasion, the play at first may have been close if Winker hustled. That was the last out of the game.

    4. Ariel Hernandez, ouch! Came in the 8th inning with runners on first and second and the Bats leading 2-0. Gave up three walks and a hit. Game over. Just one game. We’ll see.

    Any other CNY resident at the game?

    • jessecuster44

      What with all the injury problems that Reds pitchers have, to leave Mahle in for 107 pitches seems like a fire-able offense. Then I remember that this is a Cincinnati sports organization, and no one is held accountable for anything.

      • greenmtred

        There is, evidently, no credible research that supports pitch limits for a healthy pitcher. The concept is a relatively recent one and would have been laughed into oblivion a few decades ago. I get that guys who throw 98 may not be able to sustain that for 100 or more pitches, but that might say more about the wisdom of relying on that kind of velocity than it says about the wisdom of pitch limits.

      • greenmtred

        And, as a general comment, accountability is often a show-pony, not a reality.

      • jessecuster44

        so no one is held accountable? Agree that pitch limits dont seem to matter, but I’d like to see something from the organization that shows:

        a) That they are aware of the large number of pitching injuries they have
        b) That they are actively trying to remedy the situation

        The Reds simply do nothing to assuage their constituents’ concerns, save for having 10 bobblehead giveaways per season.

      • Chuck Schick

        You constantly play the
        Pitching injury card and offer zero evidence that this is a problem that impacts the Reds more than most teams.

        Pitching injuries is a borderline epidemic that impacts all teams. Human tendons and ligaments haven’t evolved to match strength in other areas. Perhaps we should start blaming Jocketty and Price for the pace of human evolution

      • Chuck Schick

        Perhaps to take advantage of pitching injury inefficiencies, the Reds could develop a staff of Terry Forsters…..your biggest risk is chooking on some BBQ wings

      • greenmtred

        Jesse: I think that we generally assume that there’s more accountability in other sectors of life than there is in baseball, but little happens when a car company knowingly allows a defect to kill people: Execs son’t serve time. I suppose the market is relied upon to do what society lacks the guts to do. Same for baseball? Bad decisions lead to losses lead to reduced attendance and general interest. Maybe somebody gets sent down. Maybe a manager gets fired, and that’s acountability.

      • lwblogger2

        Yes, 106 pitches probably shouldn’t make the young man’s arm fall off. Even if you’re a proponent of pitch counts, the number where it gets to be “danger zone” for young pitchers is more considered 120 or so, unless the pitcher was used for 100 pitches his prior start, then it’s usually capped around 100. The conditions also matter (weather, leverage, pitches thrown from the stretch, etc)

  13. sandman

    Most reds fans knew that this year was going to be another losing one. But knowing something’s gonna happen and actually going thru it are 2 different things sometimes. The weariness I sense in your words here tell me that this is one of those times for you. It’s like this almost all the time for me whenever the Reds rebuild. But, everybody’s different, and for some the losing is no big deal BECAUSE they knew it was coming. I guess they can handle it better than some. Not saying that you or I can’t though. If you’re a fan of the Reds, losing/rebuilding is just something that we have to endure. But, to each his own, I guess. The main point I was trying to make though is that, even though we Reds fans know that the losing is gonna mount during these “cycles” (kinda hate that word now), it does get to and wear down even the best most optimistic of us sometimes. Sometimes being the key word there.

    • jessecuster44

      its not that they are losing. It’s how they are losing and how foggy “the plan” is.

      • sandman

        Jessecuster44, that may be why rebuilds/losing bother me so much….because they get their butts big time kicked.

      • jessecuster44

        Reds have lost 12 times since the break and have been beaten by more than 2 runs in 10 of those games. 6 of the losses were certified ass-whoopings.

        I was going to drive to Atlanta from Charlotte to see them play in about a month, but I’ve decided against it. Not worth the trip.

      • sandman

        Jessecuster44, I don’t blame you, lol.

    • lwblogger2

      Yep, it is certainly hard sometimes. This is especially true when it seems like progress isn’t being made. The offense has run into some good pitching since the break but also some pitching that they probably should have hit better. Votto, Duvall, and Schebler have been slumping and they are the main offensive forces on this team. Looks like Votto is seeing the ball better and he’s made some good contact the last couple games, so maybe he’s coming out of it. Now we need Votto to show that indeed he is and for Duvall and Schebler to come out of the funk. For Schebler that means laying off that high fastball. That’s the book on him right now. He needs to adjust.

  14. Jim Walker

    I am impressed by Bailey’s progression. He is going to be OK unless/ until his arm seriously breaks again. If that happens; it happens. Until then, he looks like he can be as good or better than he ever was.

      • Jim Walker

        I think I’ve seen at least some of all of them. His stuff is good. He seems to be working more maturely. The physical parts will take a while to fall completely into place.

        Compare where he is after 2 years off and three surgeries versus essentially the same for Mesoraco.

        Was there a really hard ball hit off him all day today? I think there was one in the 7th which I missed. And yeah, he hit a wall in the 7th; but, if the Reds were playing things straight, he would never have gone out to start the inning or would have been out after 1 batter and with 3ER at worst would have had a quality start.

      • lwblogger2

        I agree with you Jim. He definitely was better than his line yesterday. Got a chance to watch most the game when I got home and Bailey looked like Bailey. There’s still going to be some inconsistency and there’s going to be some endurance issues as he continues through the year, but this is good. If he can finish the year healthy and with some consistency over his last 6-7 starts, that is a very good sign for some stability in the rotation in 2018.

    • Reaganspad

      I agree Jim

      Homer is in spring training right now just getting his work in

      August and September will be more interesting to see

    • Phil Gasson

      I hope he is a helluva lot better “than he ever was”.

      • lwblogger2

        Over the 88 game stretch (2 and 2/3 seasons) before his injury, Bailey went 33-27. He worked 562 IP, with 2 200+ inning seasons. His ERA over that span was 3.62 pitching half his games in GABP. His ERA relative to the league over that stretch was 10% better than average (which also includes relievers). He K rate was 7.9K/9IP, with a BB rate of 2.4BB/9IP. He threw 5 complete games including 3 shutouts. He also shined in his only postseason appearance.

        You wouldn’t take that?

      • jazzmanbbfan

        I would take that in a heartbeat.

  15. Gaffer

    Anyone notice half the Yanks lineup is Reds infielders traded away. Torres. Frazier. Gregorius.

    • jazzmanbbfan

      I wouldn’t mind having Didi back.

    • bhrubin1

      Anyone notice that the number of current Yankees who were in the Reds’ system six years ago (Frazier, Gregorious, Torreyes, Chapman) is exactly the same as the number of current Reds who were in the Reds’ farm system six years ago (Votto, Bailey, Mozart, Mesoraco).

    • Jim Walker

      Was pointed out in the recent Enquirer BAR podcast that if as many expect Yonder Alonso lands with the Yanks, there will be days when they field an all Reds raised infield (catcher excluded).

    • lwblogger2

      My dad said that right away. In all fairness, would you rather have Frazier than Schebler? Didi can really play but he went for Choo. Would the Reds have been in the postseason in 2012 without Choo?

      • lwblogger2

        Oh and there are Yanks fans that think Didi stinks and they want him gone. Not sure what the heck their thinking. No way I’d want to play in NY or Philly.

  16. Indy Red Man

    Mahle another good game! The kid is still 22 and very composed for a young guy. He pounds the strike zone and has better secondary pitches then what they thought coming into this year. Alex Blandino last 10 games….13 for 36 (.361) with 4 walks and only 6 Ks. Call him up and either DFA Alcantara or send Peraza down. I don’t see any reason to watch this team unless they’re highlighting a new youngster? We’ve seen Castillo already. I’ve had more then enough already of Adleman, Wood, Cingrani, etc.

  17. GreatRedLegsFan

    Starting rotation still in flux, while bullpen is falling off (only four reliable arms) and some guys going thru slumps, this is going to be a long 2nd half…

  18. Scotly50

    The “Free Lorenzen” chants seems to have subsided.
    He is giving up a homer per outing it seems these days. If Iglesias falls off also this team could slide off to the number one pick!!

    • jessecuster44

      … How many high picks have the Reds had that have ever panned out?

    • Nick Carrington

      Ummm…Lorenzen has let up two home runs in ten July appearances and six all season. And the Enquirer just reported that they will likely look at him as a starter in spring.

      • lwblogger2

        I hope they do. He’s a different pitcher now than when he was starting.

  19. james garrett

    I agree with Jesse Custer.Losing was and is expected but how we are losing is just terrible.Leaving Aldeman in the other night and Homer yesterday couldn’t be part of a plan unless the plan was to lose the game.Some suggest Price is throwing games but I feel he just doesn’t care one way or the other and it is spilling over to the clubhouse.Not competing is unacceptable.

  20. Dave

    I don’t see how we can continue to run 2 Low OBP guys like Peraza and Hamilton out there together on a day to day basis. I hate to say it but I think Peraza may be a utility player.

    • IndyRedMan

      Billy is up to a .302 obp for the year. That doesn’t sound like much but that’s probably equal to .340-.350 for most leadoff hitters. When he’s running bad, they could bat him 9th til he warms up again. Peraza is a diff story? I don’t want a guy anywhere on the roster that won’t walk and has no power. He’s not even reliable defensively either? He needs a full year at AAA to work on his game. He’s still young.
      Alex Blandino has been hot! Give him a shot! Peraza hasn’t deserved to be on a big league roster for 4 months.

      • lwblogger2

        I’ve always liked Blandino and I think he’s likely a better player than Peraza. That said, he’s also quite a bit older than Peraza.

  21. sultanofswaff

    With the surplus of SS talent around the majors, surely the overall market value of that position is being depressed.
    Maybe there’s a prospect being blocked that is better than Peraza and we could exploit the situation to our benefit. If the Reds front office had the guts to admit they whiffed on Jose, couldn’t a prospect for prospect package be considered? It would bolster an area of need and prevent the Reds from throwing away ~$25mil on a 2 year Cozy extension (not that I’m opposed just yet).

    • Tom Mitsoff

      Cozart has spent considerable time in recent years on the DL or playing through significant injuries. I love the way he is hitting, but at his age and injury history, I think it’s time to say goodbye — now or via free agency after the season. As they say, any team that signs Cozart will have a pretty good idea what they will get.

  22. james garrett

    I don’t think the Reds should throw Peraza under the bus but I agree with Indy lets just send him down to work on his game..

  23. Still a Red

    Time to bring Winker up for the rest of the season and rotate him with the other outfielders, all of which seem like they could use some breathers at the end here…and have him lead off. Consider extending Cozart, we won’t get much for him this year, and may not be able to bid for him next. Besides, Peraza is not the answer,at least not yet, and Herrara doesn’t seem ready…and we can see if Gennett is for real.

    While I wasn’t expecting a winning team this year I was expecting an improved season…close to .500 ball, so this year has been disappointing. I wouldn’t call the rebuild ‘foggy’…it’s just that the pieces (namely the pitching) is not panning out. Not sure why we have just one bona fide success (Inglesias) coming out of a fairly full stable.

  24. james garrett

    The Reds chose to give Peraza 400 or more at bats to show he could or couldn’t and for the 4th year now they chose to bat Billy lead off.I don’t see the Reds giving up on Peraza nor do I see them going into year 5 with Billy at I am told 6 million a year.The data is what it is offensively for both guys so what will the Reds do?

  25. james garrett

    I will watch the rest of the year just to see the young guys pitch or if a young position player gets a few swings I will check on him.Other then that I see no reason to watch.

  26. KDJ

    I have been reading the site for years . . . probably more than I should, but this is my first post. I don’t think the team can afford both Peraza and Hamilton in the same lineup. Between the two, I’ll play Hamilton. With Winker earning opportunity at this level, and with Duvall and Schebler showing they can play at this level, that brings us to this possibility:

    LF Winker
    3B Suarez
    1B Votto
    RF Duvall
    2B Scooter
    CF Schebler
    C Mez or Tucker
    SS Hamilton

    Hamilton returns to his former positiion, the team gets a high OBP man (hopefully) at the top, and the power of Duvall and Schebler stay in the lineup. BTW, I have been a Cozart fan for years, so this lineup would play only if Cozart is playing elsewhere.

    • jazzmanbbfan

      Unfortunately, Hamilton was such a terrible SS that the switch to outfield was necessary.

      • lwblogger2

        This is 100% true. A position change was needed. Turns out it was brilliant, as he is an exceptionally gifted CF.

  27. TR

    Baseball is my game so I’ll watch it with the mute on and combine it with cable news and the interesting political times we live in.

    • jazzmanbbfan

      I watch baseball, and most other sports but if you can tolerate cable news (of any sort), you’re a better masochist than I am.

      • TR

        As one with a lifelong interest in baseball and politics I’ve never seen it as a masochistic endeavor. More so as a fact of life.

  28. sandman

    I’d like to ask this of any Redlegnation writer reading this who might want to venture an answer. I got the idea for this question from jessecuster44 who responded to my previous statement on this article. So here it is: Has the Reds plan become more or less Foggy or is it still on track? I’m not sure what he means by foggy but I was hoping one of you guys did and would be able to answer the question.

  29. nicolecushing

    Overheard in the stands at a recent Louisville Bats home game (paraphrasing): “This year, the big league club is Triple A and we’re basically Double A.” Obviously, Votto, Duvall, and several others defy that statement. But when you look at the Ws and Ls there’s a grain of truth in it.

    And there’s no indication things will improve. Firing Price and hiring a top tier manager would help, if for no other reason than it would send the message that the organization has some standards and refuses to be the Washington Generals for the NL East’s Harlem Globetrotters. But ownership probably won’t do it because it will mean admitting they made a mistake in hiring him in the first place. The Castellinis save face, but the team keeps losing.

    One definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result.

    Time for some changes.