2017 Reds

Scott Feldman “likely” headed to the disabled list

In today’s game recap, I wrote the following:

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Oh, Scott Feldman. Feldman allowed five runs on five hits and a walk in just one inning of work. After he put the Reds at a 5-0 deficit — thanks mostly to home runs by Washington All-Stars Bryce Harper and Ryan Zimmerman — in the top of the first, the result of this contest was a foregone conclusion.

Even worse, it appears that Feldman is injured:

No word just yet on the nature of the injury, but we’d already noticed that Feldman’s velocity had been dipping lately. In the first inning today, he was throwing cutters that clocked in at 81 mph.

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After the beat writers were able to get in to see Reds manager Bryan Price, we learned the following:

Another pitcher injury for the Redlegs? I’m shocked.

I’m not sure that knee stiffness explains the dropping velocity, but what do I know? Feldman says that the stiffness is to blame.

If Feldman does in fact go on the disabled list, it’s likely that tomorrow’s starter, Sal Romano, will take Feldman’s roster spot in the near term. When Feldman’s turn in the rotation comes around again, it’ll be interesting to see what the Reds do.

Doug Gray suggests Robert Stephenson or Asher Wojciechowski, who pitched so well in relief of Feldman today.

I mean no disrespect to Asher Wojciechowski or his fans, but I really hope Stephenson or Cody Reed or Amir Garrett gets that start. There are two-plus months left in this season, and it’s time for us to learn more about these kids. As far as I’m concerned, now is a perfect opportunity to see if the young guys have learned anything in Triple-A.

47 thoughts on “Scott Feldman “likely” headed to the disabled list

  1. If it hasn’t been done yet, can we play “Taps” for the 2017 season?? With a 21 home run salute at the end.

  2. This probably kills any trade value Feldman had before the trade deadline.

    I agree on getting Bob Steve in there. Keep Wojo in long relief, he’s not part of our future SP core, waste of a start opp putting him in. And can we go ahead and cut the cord on Price?

    • Or, if we’re still ‘sorting,’ let Wojo start and have Adleman as the long man in the bullpen. Whoever starts, the other will get plenty of work. …….Adleman isn’t going to bring anything in a trade, is he? So keep him as insurance, even if it means having him in long relief or in AAA starting. Best-case scenario eventually is that even AAA becomes filled with viable prospects, but as often as the Reds are having to draw on arms from AAA, I doubt we’re there yet.

  3. Very well might be the knee. This is especially true if it’s his right-knee. If you can’t drive off that leg you won’t get any velocity. Heck, even if it’s the left-knee, the pain when landing on it and putting pressure on it as you follow through probably wouldn’t help your velocity either. Right now, I have a torn meniscus and am heading for the 3rd surgery (Aug 17) on my right knee to match the 3 on my left. I couldn’t even imaging pitching at the moment.

    • I’m going in August 1st for a left knee torn meniscus. Like you said I can’t even imagine trying to pitch with the tear. He probably has been dealing with some degree of tendonitis. It would be painful, but bearable to pitch through it on most days.

      • Thanks… Got a month to wait yet. Want it good for a trip to Orlando (Universal) with my girlfriend and my daughter in mid-October.

  4. So it’s his knee? Which means it’s his shoulder. You have to think like the Reds medical staff. And Wojo? No thank you. They need to let a kid pitch. I wouldn’t mind keeping Wojo as long relief though. He has the stuff to get people out through a couple of innings.

    • Before we beat up the medical staff again, the Yankees sent Pasada to Kremchek for a second opinion on elbow surgery, and Kremchek is doing the surgery. So maybe the medical staff isn’t so bad after all.

  5. Maybe the baseball gods are slowly depleting the rotation so the young guys are the only ones left. My guess is Adleman gets mono or something next.

      • Dunno – maybe because Feldman’s knee was sore already and he continued to pitch on it, thereby exacerbating the injury? What was so hard about skipping a start to rest it?

  6. Yet another reminder of the downside of WAITING till the day of 31 July to make a trade.

    White Sox got smart and traded Quintana before he got a scorching case of turf toe, pulled an oblique or punched an inanimate object.

    The Reds have Feldman who might be able to make one start before the deadline and a previously hurt Cozart and others…and waiting just opens the door for an ill-time “strain” that pretty much kills a chance at a prospect.

    I sure hope they don’t pull the ole “hoping to get a bidding war started by waiting” game. It backfires just as often as it is successful and honestly no bidding war would ever develop for Feldman or Cozart. Only one or two teams would be interested…make a deal and move on.

    • The Reds do a lot of dumb things, but I’m reasonably sure that they understand that Cozart has a history of getting hurt and Feldman has a history of being bad…unfortunately other teams have internet access as well and posses the same information. The market for rentals with well known flaws may not be as liquid as you seem to believe. The Reds can’t unilaterally trade people.

      • Very true. Teams do not tend to make dumb trades with all the information available now. Teams know exactly what Feldman and Cozart are. Cozart was hot, trending back to his historical level now

      • “unfortunately other teams have internet access as well and posses the same information.”
        And sometimes, some teams have ways to get that info before your team’s GM does. Re: The Cardinals.

  7. Maybe the baseball gods are Reds fans who would like to see some of the young guys pitch.Hammered is hammered go ask Buck about the Orioles starters.Young guy learning or old guy already been there its all the same.

  8. Cozy nor Feldman will bring much at all regardless if there hurt or not.Cozy would get a better deal to remain in Cincy and Feldman well is a #5 starter at best because of his age and the back of his card.We probably need then more then anybody else does and that says a lot as to where we are at.

  9. It’s hard to understand why “sorting” means Peraza is permitted to flail away every day with no change in approach while Winker and Stephenson hardly get a shot at all. If Stephenson doesn’t get a chance to pitch the rest of the season with the Reds now that Feldman is hurt I give up.

    • I agree about Winker and Stephenson.

      But I don’t mind Peraza playing. No harm in giving a 23 year old time to sink or swim. Just wish they’d do the same with all the other young guys.

      • I’m amused that Price can find all kinds of ways and places to get Gennett in the line up (when he isn’t play 2nd base), but can’t seem to get Winker in the line up for two days in a row.

        Winker is NOT going to lead the Reds to the pennant some year soon. That’s all about starting pitching. But play the kid and figure out if he is going to be a good Major Leaguer. This season is LOST already.

        From what I have read, Peraza is confused because he has ALWAYS hit above 0.300, and doesn’t understand what is happening. What is happening is that ML pitchers have a good scouting report on how to pitch to him, and he won’t take pitches outside of the zone. He is not selective. A path to being a lifetime 0.240 hitter. When he is 28 and been with two more teams after the Reds get tired of him, he still will not have figured it out.

        • It would wake him up, if you sent down.
          Also, you could work on pitch selectivity.
          Else, when who can play SS, we might have found out 2nd baseman

      • Agreed but over more than half a season he seems to make no adjustments. are the Reds’ brass ok with that? Must be, he keeps playing. Hard to understand.

      • I’d like to see some evidence of a change in Peraza’s approach, though, because he really is wasting the opportunity if he keeps repeating what he’s doing.

        • I have not been a fan of Peraza since the beginning because I saw him as “great, another speedy guy with no power and won’t take a walk. Hopefully his defense will be half what Hamilton’s is” … In Peraza’s defense however, it is extreamily hard to change the way you have hit, when the way that you hit has gotten you as far as MLB. I mean, it’s hard to change anything you’ve been doing almost every day since you’ve been a kid and has been working for you. So, it’s certainly possible that Peraza can’t change. I’m ok with him playing because I think the Reds have enough invested in him that they need to see if he can make some sort of adjustment. My issue is I can’t for the life of me see why the Reds’ scouts were so high on him in the first place. There are flashes but there are flashes with any guy who has the talent to make it as far as Peraza had.

  10. I do organizational change work for a living. Most of the time, this means setting a clear vision, getting the right folks in the right seats on the bus, and driving alignment. In every org change, the Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) betray the organization. Things go south before getting on track. Most of the time, an organization can get people on board without removing a whole bunch of good folks – it just takes strong leadership to do this. That said, there is one type of person who almost always needs to be fired – the smart, talented cynic. Cynics do not belong in org changes. Reading Paul Daughtry’s piece today convinces he’d be the first guy I’d fire.

  11. Stephenson had a little bit of a tough night tonight. He allowed 5 earned runs which all came on two swings of the bat, a 2 run dinger in the top of the 1st and a 3 run job in the 4th. But in 6 innings he walked only 1 while K’ing 8. He threw 103 pitches (68 strikes); without checking for sure, I believe that is a little less efficient than he has been for the most part recently .

    Still, they told RS he had to quit walking people; and, he has. There is zero reason not to give him a look as a starter now at MLB, especially if Feldman is down.

    • Jim – I read elsewhere via a fan post that Bob Steve has service time issues that will be resolved with just one more week down. Could it be the case that a week’s delay would net the Reds another year of team control?

      • Here is what I come up with. RS had 36 service days at the start of the season (Arpril 3). He was sent down on May 30. For our unofficial purposes, let’s say he picked up an additional 57 days this season to put him at ~93 total days of MLB service right now.

        The magic number they would presumably want to keep him under at season’s end is 172 which leaves 78 days to work with. The season ends Oct 1; so there are 76 days left in the season. It is close; but if he were to be called up in 5 days to take the next turn of Feldman’s spot, he should come in under 172 at season’s end unless I’ve made a late night/ early morning error in logic or math.

        Alternately, even if he went long this year, they could hold him back at AAA next season just long enough to keep him from having 2 full years at the end of 2018 and essentially get back the “extra year”. That would only take two or three turns of the rotation; and, they often don’t really need all 5 starters till about then anyway.

          • The other side of the coin is that if Stephenson is up even for September this year then comes up and sticks next year, after two full seasons up he is very likely to end up being a Super2. If he is up before mid August this year and the scenario follows thru as above, he’s a lock to be a Super2.

            I’m somewhat of the same mind as you’ve expressed about such issues where pitchers are concerned. Their careers and shelf lives are so uncertain and variable that it often doesn’t make a lot of sense to try and micro manage their service time to the degree it does with position guys. On the one hand don’t throw time and control years away needlessly with pitchers; but on the other don’t let service time be the absolute driver of how they are managed.

            For example, take Mike Leake. At some point before he had three years of service, somebody probably have realized he should be sent down for 3 weeks and conceded the Super2 status for the extra year of having him on the club. But with pitchers those clear cut cases are pretty far between.

    • Looking at Stephenson’s last 5 games, he’s had 34 K’s to 3 BBs in 27.1 IP. That includes the game he left after 3 IP due to blisters. He’s gone down and worked on what they asked him to, he should get the next opportunity.

      For reference sake: Garrett has 24 K’s vs 10 BBs in 25 IP over his last 5 (MiLB) games. Reed has 32 K’s vs 13 BBs in 23 IP over his last 5 games.

      • The HR’s are still an issue for Stephenson, but he has certainly controlled the BB’s. I just wonder if he is sacrificing his pitching and just throwing to the middle of the plate and relying on his pure stuff to get hitters out. That approach won’t work with MLB hitters, but there’s only one way to find out if Stephenson has improved and is now ready to pitch at the next level. No one else is ready for another shot, that’s for certain. Mahle isn’t ready yet, soon maybe but not yet.

  12. I know this is a Scott Feldman thread, but the subject of trades came up, including Cozart. The other day there was mention of there being no demand for Cozart making his value pretty much nothing even in as one of the best offensive/defensive combos at SS this season.

    So I thought I would look at the teams in contention to determine if there might be a landing spot for Cozart. I looked at teams that are close to either a WC or the division (within 5 games or so) and have also indicated at some point they’re looking at maybe adding pieces. These teams include: Nats, Brewers, Dodgers, Rockies, Diamondbacks, Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, Rays, Indians, Twins, Royals, Astros, Mariners, Rangers, and Angels.

    First the group that there’s not a chance, as they have established SS and no other INF needs that could incorporate some shifting: Brewers (Arcia), Dodgers (Seager), Cubs (Russell/Baez), Yankees (Gregorius), Indians (Lindor), Astros (Correa), Mariners (Segura), Rangers (Andrus), Angels (Simmons).

    The Red Sox have an established SS (Bogaerts) but have a gaping hole at 3B. They’ve been connected to some rentals for 3B. But I think with a little creativity they could be a fit. Bogaerts came up playing 3B and isn’t a particularly gifted defender at SS. Trading for Cozart and moving Bogaerts to 3B for the rest of the year may worth it for the Sox. Cozart could really take advantage of Fenway’s park.

    The Nats, as has been discussed ad naseum, have a temporary hole at SS until Turner returns. Turner could shift to CF upon returning. The Nats have Drew and Difo filling in and they seem fine to wait for injured players to return (Werth, Taylor, Turner). It’s a fit on some levels and now that they’ve sorted out their bullpen a bit, maybe they’ll reconsider Cozart, especially if Cincinnati throws in a reliever (Cingrani).

    The Rockies have been sending out a combination of Story and Amarista to play SS. Neither is doing a whole lot offensively, although Story’s BB rate and ISO are good. They may decide they want an upgrade at SS for a playoff push, but probably only if the price was right.

    The Diamondbacks have mentioned targeting a rental to upgrade their SS spot after Ahmed went down. They have Owings and Marte to play SS but Cozart would represent an upgrade to either, though Owings has put together a nice season, he also plays around the field some and has posted poor numbers at SS (-15.1 UZR/150).

    The Rays don’t have much at SS, but considering they made their trade for Hechavarria already I don’t see them making a second move for a SS.

    The Twins are interesting, they’ve played Jorge Polanco and Ehire Adrianza. I’m not familiar with either, but from the stats Polanco has struggled and Adrianza has hit well over a SSS. From his career stats he seems to be playing a bit over his head. Their top prospect (Nick Gordon) is a SS and in AA where he’s playing really well. Using Cozart as a stop gap would be an upgrade for the Twins over what they have, but I also wonder if they plan to eventually call up Gordon if they remain in the playoff chase.

    Then finally there’s the Royals. Escobar is putting up sub-Peraza numbers at SS. He’s never been much offensively and this year is no exception. The Royals are strapped on their payroll but are still interested in making additions. Cozart would be a big time upgrade for them and his salary is not prohibitive. If I were the Reds I’d offer to eat a chunk of that salary for a better return.

    Slim pickings, but a few options are out there.

  13. The Reds would be nuts to start Feldman again, because he gets a $100,000 bonus for every game he starts. Put him in the bullpen, and use that money to invest in better coaching and technical support for developing pitching.

    I’d use Castillo, Homer, Romano, Stephenson and two other guys in a 6-man rotation through the end of the year. Wojo touched 94 yesterday and shows some command; give him some starts. Why does it matter with pitchers that they are 28 years old instead of 24?

    As has been observed, there is no market for Cozart, because no buyer needs a shortstop. And for the same reason, there won’t be any big bidders for Cozart in the off-season. I wouldn’t be opposed to the Reds signing him for another year, if the price is reasonable. They don’t really have another shortstop who is ready. The Peraza sorting is over. He is utterly awful; they should send him back to High A to start over. Alfredo Rodriguez, per Doug Gray, has a magic glove, but he is at least a year away, so Cozart might work for another year. Plus, they could at least try Cozart in the Ben Zobrist role of playing all over; he would seem to be a much better fit for it than Scooter, who is a bad fielder at multiple positions.

    Well, they just DL’ed Feldman, optioned Winker, and recalled Lisalverto Bonilla and Romano.

  14. Bring Robert Stephenson up for auditions for the trade deadline.
    The flip trade candidates, Feldman and Storen, will have no takers. Feldman is now injured and Storen is back to his 2016 form.
    Who in their right mind would trade for Blake Wood? No team. A release should be forthcoming.
    Adelman? There is no market for him.
    Cozart? No market has materialized for a gimpy quad, slumping SS yet. Not even at 2B.
    Bailey has no trade value.
    Peraza has severely diminished trade value.
    The only viable trade chips the Reds have are Scooter Gennett, BHam, Adam Duvall, Scott Schebler, Eugenio Suarez, and Tucker Barnhart. Who all seem to fit for future Reds teams. Funny how no pitching could make that list.
    That is unless the Reds release their stranglehold on some of their prospects. That won’t happen in July, but might this winter.
    This is going to be a very disappointing trade deadline this year. Very disappointing.
    The story for 2018 will be deja vu, sorting all over again. More sorting out that was supposed to be sorted out in 2017. The 2017 season has brought on more questions than answers. Very, very few answers have come so far in 2017. And that is bad for a Rebuild and its momentum. If the Reds finish 2017 with a top-5 pick in next year’s draft, the Rebuild should be classified as a huge failure. If they finish with a top-10 pick, the Rebuild has stalled. The Rebuild needs re-invigorated, but the Reds front office has stumbled and fumbled this Rebuild.
    Dick Williams has done OK with the Straily trade and the Gennett pick up. But he has been woeful and Jocketty-like in roster management and construction. The Rebuild needs something to help energize it, but it won’t come at this trade deadline. And it is very doubtful that the Reds will do anything about it this winter. Except to sign 10 dozen has-beens and never-was’s to minor league contracts.
    The Reds have plenty of minor league depth to start thinning the herd and stop being miserly with prospects. There isn’t room for all of them in Cincinnati, so the real sorting out should be happening at the minor league or AAA level now and this winter. Most of the sorting out at the Major League level has been done through injury and non-performance. Every single pitcher that has come up from the minors has experienced major problems at the Major League level. Luis Castillo being the only exception. The rest of the 2017 season is the time to start sorting through some of these pitching prospects that haven’t shown much when given their chance(s). They have already wasted a half of a season on this.

    • Sorting that should have happened in 2015, you mean. There is NO sense of urgency in the organization.

  15. Pick 4 or even 5 young guys and put them in the rotation with Homer and lets go.Even at that they will only 10-12 starts a piece which will tell us very little but its better then what has been done.

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