2017 Reds

Reds at Rays- June 19, 2017

A new day brings the Reds a fresh chance to snap the current losing streak which stands at 9 following Sunday’s 8-7 loss to the Dodgers at GABP. Here is what manager Bryan Price had to say about the Reds current situation:

Tonight the Reds open a three game interleague road series in Tampa versus the Rays who have won 6 of their last 10 games.  At 37-35 for the season. the Rays are in 3rd place in the AL East, 3.5 games in arrears of  division leading Yankees, and second in the AL wildcard chase.

Starting Pitchers

Scott Feldman makes the start for the Reds.  In his last 4 starts the Reds righthander has completed just 21.1 innings compiling a FIP of 4.68 compared to a FIP of  4.12 in games prior to his last 4. Over the same period, his BABIP has been  .353 compared to a previous .284.

Righthander Jake Odorizzi starts for the Rays. Orodizzi’s seasonal FIP is 5.15. Like Feldman, Odorizzi has also had a tougher time recently. In his last 4 starts, he has pitched only 19.0 inning with a FIP of 6.39.

PITCHER xFIP HR/9 BB/9 K/9
Scott Feldman 4.19 1.04 3.13 7.18
Jake Odorizzi 4.52 1.89 3.05 7.98

Bullpens

Following the activation of catcher Stuart Turner on Sunday, the Reds are working an arm shorter in their bullpen. Blake Wood worked 2 innings Sunday and probably is not available tonight. Wandy Peralta needed 28 pitches to complete his disastrous inning, the 6th, on Sunday; his availability may also be limited tonight. Austin Brice pitched a career long 3.1 innings on Saturday. Lisalverto Bonilla was recalled from AAA Sunday. He is most likely first man out of the pen tonight if Feldman works a typical 4-5 inning stint.

UPDATE:  Righthander Ariel Hernandez has been recalled from the minors and joins the Reds bullpen. The transaction details are listed below.

The Rays pen looks to be reasonably well rested.

Lineups

REDS

SP: Scott Feldman

RAYS

SP: Jake Odorizzi

1. Billy Hamilton (CF)
2. Scooter Gennett (2B)
3. Joey Votto (1B)
4. Adam Duvall (LF)
5. Eugenio Suarez (3B)
6. Scott Schebler (RF)
7. Jesse Winker (DH)
8. Tucker Barnhart (C)
9. Jose Peraza (SS)
1. Mallex Smith (CF)
2. Corey Dickerson (LF)
3. Evan Longoria (3B)
4. Logan Morrison (1B)
5. Steven Souza Jr. (RF)
6. Tim Beckham (SS)
7. Trevor Plouffe (DH)
8. Daniel Robertson (2B)
9. Derek Norris (C)

The Reds offense showed some life late in Sunday’s game. Hopefully they will continue to tend upwardly tonight against a Rays pitcher who appears to be very hittable. Jesse Winker arrives (see below) just in time to fill the DH roll. Of course he has to bat 7th since the Reds wouldn’t want to risk  clogging the bases ahead of their heavy hitters by having a high OBP guy batting in front of them.

Roster Moves

Final Thoughts

Father time appears to have finally called game over for old friend Bronson Arroyo. Given Arroyo’s post game comments Sunday, it is hard to believe his trip to the DL is anything other than the first step in a what will become a stage managed dignified exit from the ranks of active players. Arroyo’s presence this year  has become a symbol of the oft times seemingly aimless  nature of the Reds sorting process. This should not detract from what Arroyo has done for the franchise over the last decade nor his professionalism as he did it. He deserves no less than a dignified exit.

Zack Cozart’s return to the DL is unfortunate for both the team and Cozart. Unless Cozart’s stay on the DL is brief and he returns with a run of productivity similar to the numbers  he put up during the first two months of the season, his trade value at the July 31 deadline will be greatly diminished. Cozart himself will also ultimately pay the same price in the off season as he seeks a large contract as a free agent.

Then there’s the big news that could impact the Reds future, both short and long term:

If all goes well with Bailey’s start tonight, he is projected to return to the Reds rotation this weekend.

Here’s hoping the sorting is focused and goes well tonight allowing the Reds end this losing streak.

 

Stats, data, and biographical information from Fangraphs.com,  MLB.com, and Baseball-Reference.com

 

106 thoughts on “Reds at Rays- June 19, 2017

  1. I do not mind Winker batting seventh tonight as long as this is not a long term thing (like batting the catcher 8’th) Let him get comfortable facing mob pitching before putting him up in the lineup. As for Arroyo, if this is an orchestrated move to allow him to retire in a dignified manner (And I agree and hope that it is) then kudos to DW and the Reds front office for doing this. Class Act.

  2. Assuming that Arroyo is actually injured, I don’t believe a player can be DFA if he’s hurt and eligible for the DL. He’ll seemingly be placed on the 60 day ASAP so it free’s up a spot on the 40 man roster. Placing him on the 60 day archieves the same things as a DFA, but it enables Arroyo to officially retire at the end of the year as opposed to being released mid season. Also, if he retires now, he stops getting paid.

    Jim…did I get that right? You know more about this stuff than anyone

    • From what I’ve read, Arroyo is working for MLB minimum; so, I doubt the money means much to him or the team.
      Technically, I think you are correct. By being on the active roster, his salary became guaranteed; but if he walks it would be forfeited unless there was an agreement to go on and pay him.

      Also think you are correct that a guy can’t be waived or released if he is on the DL, again unless there is an arrangement made.

      Tnx for the compliment, I wish I knew more. A lot of this stuff is hard to nail down even in the age of the internet. I’m always learning that somebody who seems to be in a position to know interprets documents and rules differently than I do.

  3. Price gets a hitter who is LEADING the International League in OBP and he has the sheer audacity or utter ingnorance to bat him 7th, in front of Barnhart (.689 OPS), Peraza (.637 OPS) & Hamilton (.621 OPS), the 3 worst hitters in the lineup.

    • I suppose we should be thankful that Price even put Winker in the lineup at all. Without the DH available, I’m reasonably certain Winker would be getting more experience riding the bench at the major league level.

    • Each of the other 5 hitters in the lineup have more HR individually than those 3 hitters have combined and its not even close.

  4. of course mr. cossack we can look at the glass as half full. at least he is in the lineup instead of getting his bearings by sitting.

  5. Huge night tonight for Bailey! After 2 spendid rehab starts notched in his belt, tonight is the final step back to the bump at the major league level. I will be tuned in to both games tonight with my attention focused on the Bats while Bailey is pitching and on the Reds when the Bats are hitting.

  6. after 9 straight… season could use a reboot. bailey and winker would go a long way towards renewed hope. a spot start by reed or stephenson would also make me happy. just saying.
    time to sort.
    will be keeping up with the bats

  7. Looks like Winker may get a couple of donuts to go along with the cup of coffee he got the last time.As to where he hits well its that speed has to hit at the top and well if Winker does get on base then Tucker,Peraza or Billy can knock him in or not.I am just glad he is in the line up.

  8. Here’s hoping Bailey passes the AAA recovery audition with flying colors.

    It is weird regarding him, IMO. “Peak Homer” was all the way back in 2013 (209 IP, 4.1 WAR). That feels a lifetime ago in Reds fandom time.

    What will be even weirder….Bailey comes back, maintains a period of good health, but isn’t that effective as a starter. The juxtaposition of him earning $21M in 2018 and $23M in 2019 versus blooding a young prospect would make for some lively game threads.

  9. Yes we could and will discuss that all day long next year and the year after,Probably also will be discussing Cueto’s salary as well.He had a not so good second half last year and isn’t even a league average pitcher so far this year.Long term contracts are just not good especially for pitchers but that’s where we are right now.

  10. 1st inning in the books for Bailey. Two singles to begin the inning, followed by two SO and a ground out. 21 pitches & 13 strikes. Nice beginning.

  11. Joey out on the first pitch and on ball 2 to Duvall,Scooter out stealing.Not sure about that inning but it seems kind of like what we do doesn’t it?Go Reds.

  12. It will be good to see Homer back out there.Lets just hope he remains healthy for the rest of his career.

  13. Man, the DH really does give AL teams such a hidden advantage. They have the ability to work in a guy like Winker slowly and still give them lots of playing time. The Reds could have kept a guy like Yonder and developed him rather than doing drastic stuff like trying him in LF. Just giving them extra roster flexibility is such a big deal with player development, roster management, etc.

  14. Never thought about it that way CP but you are right.I always just thought the DH wasn’t really baseball.

  15. 2nd inning in the books for Bailey. A fly out to deep RF followed by 2 SO. Quick inning.

  16. Marty having a great time talking about Zach’s donkey. Actually very funny stuff.

  17. Odorizzi jump pumping in 91-92 mph fastballs and getting one can-of-corn flyball after another. Bob Steve pumps in 94-95 and gets destroyed. Its just Stephenson’s are on 3-1 counts and prime center cut. Baseball is a funny game….game of inches more then any other!

  18. 3rd inning in the books for Bailey. A high-hop infield single to 3B followed by a double play, wind-aided HR to RF just clearing the wall, hard-hit double off the top of the RF wall, single drives in the run and a ground out to 2B. Tough inning. Bailey was not happy after the RBI single. 51 pitches – 34 strikes.

  19. Got my word this is my last time regarding swinging in the on deck circle or game situation stuff or what the pitcher is doing etc etc.Why would Billy after seeing 1 pitch his first at bat swing on 2-0 his second time?

  20. Ned Yost approved of that at-bat by Mallex Smith. Would probably trade for him, if he could.

    Not sure when I last saw a player show bunt for the first 3 pitches.

    Of course, he ended up stroking a single.

  21. So, I’m not the only one who’s noticed that the rather swing in a lot of first pitches.

    Tom Diesman, thank you for the rule 5/trade explanation last week.
    I apologize for the late acknowledgment.

  22. 4th inning for Bailey after giving up 2 runs in the 3rd. SO to begin the inning, easy ground out to 2B & a foul pop out behind home plate. Nice bounce back inning for Bailey.

  23. I would give the Reds offense a B- this season. Its good but GABP greatly inflates HRs plus when you’re down 4-5 runs or more by the 6th inning then you’ll get some runs because you’re not seeing their top line relievers. For instance we lose 3-1 then we lose 8-7. We led every game in Toronto but could never expand a lead. We’d be up 3-1 up the 5th where Washington, Arizona, or Milw might be up 7-1 and put the game away.

  24. We won’t do anything against this pitcher tonight.He is getting a lot of easy outs early in the at bat.

  25. Great at bat by Morrison.Never swung until it was 3-2 then fouled off a pitch then took ball 4 on pitch 7.Vottoesque if you will.

    • Except ball 4 was a strike in the top middle of the zone. TB announcers couldn’t believe it was called a ball

  26. Rays announcers were just commenting on Suarez’s high OBP, and said that he is another guy “like Votto” that makes pitchers work. Pretty good compliment for Suarez.

    Otherwise, so far they also said that Reds have “exciting” young hitters but just haven’t gotten the starting pitching yet (injuries, etc.). They even talked to Lou Pineilla (off camera) and likewise told them starting rotation is “achilles heel” of team.

    Mostly pretty obvious stuff, but I hardly ever get to watch opponent coverage (MLB.tv single team) and it is kind of interesting to see what others think of Reds.

    • Duvall got himself out in his last atbat on a bad 2-0 pitch but generally I don’t think the Reds are that impatient. I think its more that our guys are mainly swing-n-miss power types that don’t hit a ton of foul balls and extend atbats like contact hitters. Add to that we get down 4 runs by the 4th inning every other game so that relaxes their starter! Maybe guys like Winker will help? Mesoraco will take a walk and extend atbats as well.

  27. I wholeheartedly approve of the user name change to Scooter Rolen.

    Had not noticed it until now.

    • Thanks! I have always been a huge fan of Scott Rolen and Scooter Gennett is definitely a budding fan favorite.

  28. Schebler hit that a mile.
    He’s the only one that’s been able to square up Odorizzi

  29. “Sitting on a pitch” does not do justice to how ready Schebler was for that.

  30. After a long half inning on the bench Bailey took the mound for the 5th inning. Bunt fielded by the pitcher, fly out to CF and a fly out to deep RF. 71 pitches & 47 strikes after 5 innings. Fastball consistently in the 93-94 mph range.

  31. When he unloads he really unloads.He will go the other way and take some walks.I like him.

    • Could be our Charlie Blackmon? Price should try leading him off imo. Bat Billy 9th so when Billy is on then it might give Scheb a few meatballs! I do think Schebler would bring the most in a trade since he’s 2 yrs younger then Duvall.

  32. Just now on Rays broadcast, they showed Sweet Lou and Miguel Cairo talking to each other in a suite. Blast from the past! I am almost certain Lou works for Reds, but does Cairo? I know he had some role in the past the year after he retired, but does he still?

  33. Scooter!!!!!! That sure didnt look like that had a shot. This kid has some sneaky power.

  34. Scratch Odorizzi off our wish list…..91 mph flyball pitcher won’t cut it at our place

  35. After another long half inning, Bailey takes the mound for the 6th inning with a 4-2 lead (TYVM Dilson Herrera!). SO, fly out to LF, infield single up the middle, BB on a full count, visit to the mound by the pitching coach with a reliever up in the bullpen, BB on a 3-1 count & that’s all for Bailey tonight after reaching his pitch limit. 91 pitches & 58 strikes.

    • Much more interested in Finnegan because I feel like he has alot of upside with his youth but it will be great to get Homer back. I’m thinking he’ll be Feldman-ish which is obv much needed with our struggles.

    • After exemplary control the entire game, Bailey seemed to lose it at the end as he reached his pitch limit. Really looking forward to seeing Homer pitching again for the Reds this weekend.

  36. Feldman at 92 pitches, with a (high) quality start.

    Will be interesting to see how quick of a hook on him. Bullpen might a little fried after dealing with the Dodgers, but 2 runs with the power bats in the Rays lineup isn’t much of a cushion.

  37. I would have to think Feldman has really short leash this inning, since Lorenzen warmed up already in the bullpen.

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