Game Thread

Reds at Padres – June 14, 2017

The west coast road trip is turning into another nightmare for the Cincinnati Reds (29-35). The Reds have are now 0-5 on the trip, after starting the trip just one win away from .500. The Reds will look to salvage something today at 3:40 PM against the San Diego Padres (26-40). The Padres, despite having arguably the worst offense in baseball, have scored 15 runs in 2 games against the Reds.

Starting Pitchers

Amir Garrett only lasted 1.0 inning in his last start after getting hit by a line drive on his left hand. The three starts prior to that were a disaster for Garrett, who allowed 21 ER in 11.2 IP. That absolutely ballooned his ERA. Prior to that, Garrett had actually recorded a quality start in 5 of first 6 starts of 2017.

Garrett has shown he can get MLB hitters out, but he has got to throw strikes consistently. Hopefully if he does that, it will also help him from giving up home runs at an alarming rate.  This will be Garrett’s first career appearance against the Padres, and any of their hitters.

Jhoulys Chacin is now in his 9th MLB season. You probably remember him from the Rockies, the team he came up with. Chacin had some nice years in a very difficult park to pitch in Colorado. He has been about a league average pitcher over the last couple years, but has battled injuries. He signed with the Padres this off-season. Chacin’s 7.84 K/9 is his highest since 2010. He is coming off back-to-back quality starts (13.0 IP, 5 ER, 5 BB, 13 K).

Chacin has good career numbers against the Reds in 6 career appearances (4 starts): 3.10 ERA, 1.00 WHIP, 8 BB, 24 K.

Starting Lineups

Reds Padres
1. Jose Peraza (SS)
2. Scooter Gennett (2B)
3. Joey Votto (1B)
4. Adam Duvall (LF)
5. Eugenio Suarez (3B)
6. Scott Schebler (RF)
7. Arismendy Alcantara (CF)
8. Tucker Barnhart (C)
9. Amir Garrett (P)
1. Jose Pirela (LF)
2. Franchy Cordero (CF)
3. Wil Myers (1B)
4. Yangervis Solarte (2B)
5. Hunter Renfroe (RF)
6. Cory Spangenberg (3B)
7. Erick Aybar (SS)
8. Luis Torrens (C)
9. Jhoulys Chacin (P)

Zack Cozart is out the lineup again, still dealing with quadriceps tightness. Billy Hamilton gets a day off. Hamilton did have a big hit late last night, but is just 2 for 26 with just 1 walk over the last 7 days.

Other news and notes

Conclusion 

This probably goes without saying, but the Reds really need a win today. The Reds could also really use Amir Garrett getting back on track. How about we kill two birds with one stone? Go Reds!

85 thoughts on “Reds at Padres – June 14, 2017

  1. Garrett needs a big performance for his own sake as well as the team’s. If Bailey and Finnegan come through on the projected schedule and Garrett hasn’t stepped back up, they could well recycle him to AAA ahead of cutting bait on any of the placeholders. Not saying I agree just that given how they have operated to date, it is a likely move.

  2. Is Garrett’s xFIP also really high? I had not realized that his peripherals were also suffering. Reds could really use him getting back on track, for both short and long term benefit to team.

    • His xFIP is 5.30, much lower than his FIP and ERA. That’s generally always the case when a guy has given up a ton of home runs.

  3. Garrett, please pitch six innings and give up three runs or less. We need you back on track. Greatest scheduled mismatch: Arroyo vs Kershaw are the starters listed Sunday. Ouch!

    • would be possible if he can get a couple 1-2-3 innings, when was last time he had one?

  4. Starts and ABs keep going to Alcantara and Kivlehan while Winker just sits in Louisville with his .400 OBP

  5. Peraza homers then Scooter swings 2-0 and Joey swings on 3-0.How dumb can you get?I am done with this nonsense.

    • Joey does a lot of damage on 3-0 counts, generally, when he does swing. According to gamecast, he just missed a homer.

  6. Just venting Patrick but this stuff gets old.Our guys just seem to not care about the count or the situation they just see it and hack at it.Joey always gets a pass.

    • It’s a results oriented business and the Reds offense has produced rather positive results. Maybe the aggressive approach helps…maybe it hurts. However, the end result is rather positive

  7. I see Peraza catch a lot of grief on this website. He seems to be doing well over the last two weeks hasn’t he?

    • Going back to May 12th, he’s hit .286/.321/.400, which is good for an 88 wRC+. Not great, but decent for a 23yr old middle infielder with ok defense and some speed. If he could maintain a wRC+ around 90, he’d be an average-ish regular player by WAR.

      • Thank you. I watch the games intermittently and I think I had a little confirmation bias in my view. I will say the thicker his beard gets the better he hits. Maybe that’s a nugget for a later Rain Delay

    • The average is coming up but he’s blown 2 costly routine plays on this trip. Overall though….he’s got talent and he’s rated as a very good baserunner. Play him….play Winker as much as possible and pitch the young guys too! That should be the #1 priority for this season!

      • Winker. I am coming around to your point of view. Whether we trade someone or not I think we should bring him up after the All-Star break

      • My eye test say he does great on grounders and throws. But has trouble with line drives and pop ups

        • Peraza has 2 errors at 2nd, and 1 at short.
          Usually, the misplays on pops/liners are called hits….so generally he is pretty good on grounders

  8. Yes we are really good on offense and maybe its the aggressive approach that makes us good.We will see as time goes on but pitchers will adjust.

  9. I don’t want to overreact like the common fan I am BUT maybe an outfield of Duvall/Schebler/Winker is the Reds best bet. I love Billy but this is as bad as he’s ever looked at the plate plus no CF can defense walks/HRs in Great American Smallpark. His D would really factor in much greater in a bigger park. Just a thought?

  10. Well Joey got all of that one. And Duvall follows with a nice hit and a heads-up double.

  11. Although he’s having a pretty good sophomore season, I don’t think Adam Duvall is as explosive as he was last year: but he has become more reliable. He seems to contribute something most games.

  12. This is a much more enjoyable game to watch…young pitcher part of the future getting some valuable work…Suarez looking like the poster child for playing young players.

    Is Joey Votto having his greatest season? His swing seems even more compact and explosive while still maintaining his plate discipline.

  13. Chacin is really efficient with his pitches.He is in the low 60’s after 6 innings.He may toss a complete game and end up in the low 80’s.

  14. 5 innings and 80+ pitches was apparently the limit. I’m guessing he sticks around through the 6th unless they keep on hitting. Let’s hope it stays tied and we can begin hitting again.

    Have I mentioned I hate LA and I’m not all that fond of San Diego now either.

  15. Amir has been using his off speed nicely today. More than I remember. The Renfroe HR looked to be an 88 mph fastball?

    • Renfroe is a free swinger with power and should never be getting hittable fastballs. A steady diet of off speed IMO.

    • Reds selected C Luis Torrens from the NYY last Dec. in the Rule V draft and immeditely traded him to the Padres for a PTBNL. 2B/3B Josh VanMeter who is playing for the Reds in Pensacola was the PTNL. Padres must keep Torrens on their roster all year just like any Rule V selection or he has to be offered back to the Yankees.

  16. Nice outing by Garrett..he competed…got beat on a bad pitch…that happens. He came back and got 3 more outs…big step forward for this kid today.

  17. Amir got the next 3 with 2 k’s after the homer.It’s cool to learn how to pitch at the big league level.

    • He’s a thrill a minute … like a box of chocolates every time he takes the mound – unreal

  18. Make it 8.I guess he is just overworked.When was the last time he pitched?

  19. This is an inning and a situation where it tells a lot about your players and your team.Will they put up a fight or go meekly to the airport.

  20. Price has got to go – loser mentality with this guy and he has gone on extended stretches of losing in each of the 3 years here. I fully understand that the players play- but I’ve had it with Price. Might be the nicest guy in the world ,but is a loser as a manager. Time for a change at the conclusion of his year –PLEASE !!!!

    • Perhaps you could define a ” winners mentality” for us and maybe even give us some names of managers who fall into said category?

      • Perhaps. Though I’m sure there are some scrappy winnners out there who could contend for titles with Arroyo.

        • A losers mentality would be continuing to bat Billy Hamilton lead off and running out Bronson Arroyo every 5th day. Both are arguably the worst hitter and worst pitcher in baseball.

    • At this point in the season, I think Price has earned himself an extension. I’d get used to seeing him sitting in the dugout if I was you.

        • Price is not the problem, talent is. A winner’s mentaltity is bull. Lou Pinella would have a Chicago Cubs ring if that were the case. He had a winner’s mentality.

          Dick Williams may very well grant your wish, but the results lie at the feet of the players not some middle manger who writes the best names on his roster on a line-up card.

          • I’ve already said players play – totally ageee with that. I will stick with my own opinion that Price is not the right man for the job. Hasn’t shown me anything in 3 years (regardless of talent at his disposal ) to make me believe otherwise.

          • But you don’t enable failure. Price is absolutely validating failure when he has other options. Billy Hamilton has a wRC+ of 60. Bronson Arroyo is the worst starting pitcher in baseball…..and he is still starting. Price cant win the NL Central….But he can manage a 25 man roster.

          • This line of thinking only works if BP is the one who makes the decision as to who plays the lion’s share of the time. I don’t believe that he does. I suspect that it’s a group decision and the man at the top’s vote carries the most weight. That said, I don’t really know. None of us do unless Dick Williams has come out and said “Brian is in charge of who plays on a daily basis.”

            Billy is going to be given a long rope to prove himself. Bronson is in an expanded role because of injury. I’d guess it’s about to come to an end. Hurry back Homer Bailey. The Reds need you.

  21. Counting on Iggy and Lorenzen to save the day isn’t always going to work.

  22. about the omly glimmers of hope in these six losses are ! Votto keeps his homerun swing and his ob% going, 2Garrett pitched well today. I’m encouraged. maybe he’s coming back to that April form, and 3 the team is (finally) leaving the west coast.

  23. Where is the titantic struggle recap? Can’t they find Milton? Is everyone on vacation? Are we now ashamed of a recap?

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