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Reds at Padres – June 13, 2017 (+ MLB Draft Coverage)

The Cincinnati Reds (29-34) have now lost four consecutive games on their west coast road trip. The San Diego Padres (25-40) have arguably the worst offense in the MLB, but they absolutely destroyed Bronson Arroyo last night in a 9-3 win. The two teams will square off again tonight at 10:10 PM.

The Brewers lost their third straight game earlier today to the Cardinals, so the Reds currently sit at 3.0 games back despite losing four straight games themselves. The Cardinals and Brewers play the second of a double-header tonight.

Starting Pitchers

Scott Feldman is coming off a brilliant start against the Cardinals (7.0 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 K). Feldman has been just slightly better than league average so far, which is exactly what the Reds paid for. He has made one career start at Petco Park, and it came all way back in 2012 (6.0 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 5 K). The only current Padres that have faced Feldman are Aybar and Myers.

LHP, Clayton Richard will be making his 14th start of the season for the Padres. Richard pitched in the Cubs bullpen during the 2015 postseason, but was released in August of 2016. He signed three days later with the Padres, and has basically been a part of their rotation even since. He was terrific in 11 appearances at the end of 2016 with the Padres, posting a 2.52 ERA. This season, he has been an average pitcher posting a 4.54 ERA/3.94 FIP. That is a welcome sign for a rebuilding Padres team.

Starting Lineup

Reds Padres
1. Billy Hamilton (CF)
2. Scooter Gennett (2B)
3. Joey Votto (1B)
4. Adam Duvall (LF)
5. Eugenio Suarez (3B)
6. Scott Schebler (RF)
7. Devin Mesoraco (C)
8. Jose Peraza (SS)
9. Scott Feldman (P)
1. Jose Pirela (LF)
2. Franchy Cordero (CF)
3. Wil Myers (1B)
4. Yangervis Solarte (2B)
5. Hunter Renfroe (RF)
6. Cory Spangenberg (3B)
7. Allen Cordoba (SS)
8. Austin Hedges (C)
9. Clayton Richard (P)

MLB Draft

The 2017 MLB draft is upon on us! The Reds had Hunter Greene fall into their lap with the #2 overall pick, the consensus top talent. Both Baseball America and MLB Pipleline had Greene as the best overall player in the draft. Greene’s fastball has been registered at 102 MPH, and has already been on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

The Reds have now made 10 picks. Here is what the rest of the draft has looked like so far. Click on the player for a great scouting report from Reds minor league expert Doug Gray. Here is a summary of picks 4-10 from Doug.

2. Hunter Greene – RHP/SS (Notre Dame High School in Sherman Oaks, CA)
32. Jeter Downs – SS (Pace HS – Miami Gardens, FA)
38. Stuart Fairchild – OF (Wake Forest University)
77. Heatherly, Jacob – LHP (Cullman HS)
107. Case, Cash – SS (The First Academy)
137. Sceroler, Mac – RHP (Southeastern Louisiana University)
167. Buffett, Tyler – RHP (Oklahoma State University)
197. Kolozsvary, Mark – C (Florida University)
227. Ryan, Connor – RHP (U Illinois Chicago)
257. Naughton, Packy – LHP (Virginia Tech University)
287. Howell, Robby – RHP (Central Florida University)

Other news and notes

Conclusion 

The Reds really need a win. Feldman is probably the best starter in the Reds current rotation, so there is no better time to get a win than tonight. Go Reds!

67 thoughts on “Reds at Padres – June 13, 2017 (+ MLB Draft Coverage)

  1. Slumping Billy hitting from his weaker side … yeah … that’ll help build up his confidence.

  2. Billy has 5 hits in 40 at bats over the last 10 games with 3 walks and no steals.Longest stretch of his career with out a steal.

  3. Luis Castillo has thrown 7 shutout innings with 11K’s.

    Billy Hamilton’s slash line in year 4 is .239/.292/.304 with an ISO of .065. His wRC+ is 58.
    That’s over 40% below league average offensive productivity.
    His WAR is tied with Tucker Barnhart and below 2 part time players- Scooter Gennett and Devon Mesoraco. Fellow outfielders Adam Duvall and Scott Schebler are both at 1.4 WAR while Hamilton is at 0.7. Why is there an outfield debate?

    Clearly, there are intangible mythical style points given to Billy Hamilton. His hits count more. His runs count more.

    Billy cant play 155 games and produce. The beauty of the back of the baseball card. It never lies.

    • Remember the old days (April) when Bryan Price asserted that Hamilton batted first and Peraza second as effective “set the table” guys for Votto, Duvall and Suarez.

      Good times.

      Meanwhile, Anthony Rizzo batted leadoff tonight for the first time ever and hit a home run to start the game.

      If the Cubs see value in experimentation mid-season, no reason for the Reds not to do so.

  4. I’m just relieved to see the Reds didn’t draft Bronson Arroyo. I’m sure they were tempted.

  5. “Feldman is probably the best starter in the Reds current rotation”

    Yep. Its a wonder we are only 3 games out.

  6. Granted I haven’t watched as much baseball recently as I used to, but I haven’t heard of most of these guys the Pads are rolling out there

  7. Lots on Reds fans representing tonight behind home plate.

    Like it.

    (Actually, after Arroyo’s start last night, they figured it could only be better tonight.)

  8. Won’t matter if we continue to hack in the dugout.Down on 7 pitches in our first inning.Gee wiz this guy is a batting practice pitcher.

  9. Get your Fathers days tickets!
    Arroyo vs Kershaw.

    All Dad’s are free right????
    They give you a beer and a hot dog don’t they ????

  10. Another 7 pitch inning for their pitcher.Billy out on the first pitch is now 5 for 47 in his last 11 games and counting.

    • They are swinging at strikes. Do you suggest that when they swing, that they swing and miss more often, so therefore the pitcher throws more pitches?

      • One of the reasons Votto is so good is that he doesn’t try to make contact with every pitch that could conceivably be called a strike..

        • Votto’s skills allow him to foul off some pitches. Most hitters don’t have this skill. It’s crazy to think that other mortals are trying not to put a ball in play when they swing.

  11. Cody Bellinger hit 2 more HR’s tonight. Must be nice to call a prospect up and watch him mature

  12. I am suggesting they take a strike every now and then.Peraza,Feldman and Billy can’t hit a lick to being with

      • YES! Getting behind in the count can make you a better hitter! Strange, but true. Votto is behind in counts all the time. It’s not a coincidence that he’s also a great hitter. He’s forcing the pitcher to throw more than one strike, and he’s not swinging at borderline pitches unless he feels he has to. This is one of the reasons he’s so good. Too bad this is lost on most of his teammates.

    • You mean taking the 2-0 pitch for a strike might be more productive than grounding out to short? That’s hard to believe.

      • Nope. At 2-0 You’re looking for a specific pitch in a specific location. If it’s there swing, if not, then take it.

        • Another option is to take the pitch. Worst case scenario is you’re still ahead in the count, and the pressure is still on the pitcher. Best case is it’s 3-0, which is even better than 2-0. To me it’s a no-brainer that you take the 2-0 pitch when you’re leading off an inning and (other than one game) you don’t hit many home runs.

          • see above. stats don’t lie.
            It’s not a green light to swing. But if it;s where you’re looking, then by all means cut it loose

          • You’re missing the point. Of course hitters do better when they’re ahead in the count than when they’re behind. But the only way to get ahead in the count is to take pitches. And the only way to walk is to take even more pitches. And if you’re committed to taking pitches, it will sometimes mean taking strikes. You can NEVER walk if you put every strike in play. Guys who walk and guys who get ahead in counts have to take some strikes along the way. It’s a scientific fact.

          • The facts don’t back up your theory.
            Fact: he bats over .300 on 0-0, 1-0, and 2-0
            Fact: he bats under .200 on 0-2 and 1-2.

          • Do you even realize I was talking about Scooter? He’s the one who swung at a 2-0 pitch and grounded out to short. But you’re still missing the point. You don’t get ahead in the count if you swing at the first pitch, and you don’t get to a 2-0 count if you swing at the 1-0 pitch, and you never walk if you don’t take at least 4 pitches. You’re looking at what happens when they’re ahead in the count, and I’m saying they ought to be ahead in the count more than they are. It’s counter-intuitive, I understand, but in order to get ahead in more counts you need to be willing to take more strikes.

  13. Richard got em on 6 pitches.Scooter swings at 2-0,Joey took a strike and then singles and Duvall takes ball one then hits into a double play on the next pitch.Keep swinging at those strikes.Why would anybody want to take on 2-0 or 1-0 because we know the pitcher is going to throw strikes?

    • Duval has hit 11 HR’s in 78 AB’s on a 1-0 count,
      GIDB twice.
      Were you mad because he didn’t take, when he hit those 11 bombs? Or just the 2 times he GIDP?

  14. Down by 3 runs in the 5th, all four batters swung at the first pitch. Two of those pitches were definitely out of the strike zone, and two were borderline. This is what “going through the motions” looks like.

  15. Billy hits 237 period but if he hits 324 when its 2-0 then he definitely doesn’t need to swing at the first pitch like he just did.How many times has he got a hit on 2-0?

      • What does Billy hit on Wednesdays when it’s cloudy on a business day against lefties with a mustache?

      • That stat is misleading. That’s what he hits when he puts the first pitch in play. It doesn’t mean he gets on base 36% of the time when he swings at the first pitch. Most of his first pitch swings are strikes or fouls. So what we know is that the OVERWHELMING majority of his first-pitch swings result in something bad. Either an out or an 0-1 count. And it’s impossible to get to a 1-0, 2-0, or 3-0 count if you’ve already swung, so he’s eliminating all those possibilities by swinging at the first pitch, and he’s overwhelmingly likely to be out or at 0-1.

  16. 2 more bloop hits and a WP = another run.
    The guy struck out on the WP, but they didn’t call it

  17. Heck, I’d be tempted to leave Feldman out there. He hasn’t pitched too poorly.

  18. Wasn’t mad he hit into a double play just was mad he didn’t take a strike.Hey Duvall should never swing at the first pitch either because if its a ball then he has a 14% of hitting the next one out.Billy needs to get the count to 2-0 and lets see Duvall has hit what 53 homers in the big leagues last year and this year so 21% have come on 1-0 counts.He needs to come out of his shoes on every 1-0 count for sure.

  19. We are all just having fun.We know our team is overly aggressive and start swinging in the dugout.Pitchers know it,fans know it and the hitters know it

  20. My strategy for pitching to most Reds would be to throw the first pitch nowhere near the strike zone, because they’ll probably swing. And if the count goes 1-0, throw it nowhere near the zone, because they’ll probably swing. If it somehow goes 2-0, throw it outside the strike zone, because they’re almost definitely swinging. If it somehow goes to 3-0, throw it down the middle because they’ll probably take. On 3-1, throw it outside the zone because they’ll probably swing. On 3-2, throw a strike because they’ll probably take it,

  21. The Reds are 23rd in Pitches Per Plate Appearance…..but 6th in runs and 11th in OBP.

    Being aggressive is just killing them.

    • Um, you do realize the most selective hitters on the team are also the most productive ones, right?

  22. Took a break and looked at what happened in the 7th.Votto grounds out on first pitch,he is tired of this junk,Duvall sees 4 pitches and strikes out,Suarez takes 4 straight balls and walks,Schebler swings at the first pitch but does get an infield single,Mesaraco takes ball 1 then lines out on the second pitch.Lets see 5 batters came up and we had a walk and a single and saw 12 pitches.Richard has thrown 80 pitches through 7 innings.Couldn’t help myself.Obviously data can sometimes be really misleading as to what guys do in certain counts because it only counts if you put the ball in play.

    • Almost every player is Babe Ruth when they put it in play with a 2-0 count……Virtually everyone is beyond awful when they put it in play 0-2.

  23. Agree on these two scenarios even without the data but you can’t get to 2-0 by swinging

    • Agreed…..but you also cant get to 0-2 if you put a first pitch strike in play. In a perfect world, you draw out the count and make the pitcher throw as many as possible….but, if you never swing early in the count then they’ll just always throw a first pitch strike and the pitcher is in control.

  24. Was going to call it a night but I though I would see how many pitches it took for Richard to shut us out.

  25. Agree Chuck.Lets see Richard didn’t get his shutout and after he took only 80 pitches to get through 7 innings it took 47 pitches to get 5 more outs.Guess he got tired.Night all.

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