It has already been an exciting day for the Reds, as they just selected RHP/SS Hunter Greene with the #2 pick in the MLB Draft. Later tonight, the Cincinnati Reds (29-33) kick off a three game series at the San Diego Padres (24-40) at 10:10 PM. The Reds are coming off a very disappointing series against the Dodgers, where the Reds were swept. The Reds had good chances to win in the last two games, and on Sunday the Reds blew a late 7-4 lead. The Reds have now fallen to 29-33, but are still just 3.0 games out of first place in the NL Central.

The Padres are tied for the most losses in the MLB with the Phillies at 40. The Padres have recently had a complete overhaul in the management, from the GM to the manager, so their lack of success on the field was expected.  The Padres have arguably the worst offense in baseball, so hopefully the Reds pitching can have some success over the next three days.

  Reds Padres
OBP .329 (9th) .291 (30th)
SLG .452 (4th) .377 (29th)
wRC+ 103 (6th) 79 (29th)
DRS 34 (1st) -29 (29th)
SP ERA 5.87 (30th) 5.05 (28th)
SP FIP 5.94 (30th) 4.59 (20th)
RP ERA 3.48 (7th) 5.05 (28th)
RP FIP 4.02 (14th) 4.46 (2nd)

Starting Pitchers

If you are looking for positives with Bronson Arroyo, he has at least not got rocked in his last three starts (16.2 IP, 7 ER). If you are looking for realism, Arroyo has been the worst pitcher in the MLB in terms of FIP (6.88), and it isn’t even close. In fact, Arroyo’s 6.88 FIP and 2.84 HR/9 are the worst in MLB history of any pitcher that has qualified for the ERA title.

Luis Perdomo signed with the Cardinals as an international free agent in 2010. He was then picked up by the Rockies in the Rule 5 draft in 2015, and was traded right away to the Padres. He was never a high prospect throughout his time in the minors. He made his MLB debut last year for the Padres, and ended up making 20 starts (35 total appearances). He struggled overall posting a 5.71 ERA/4.84 FIP.

Perdomo has been a little better this season, raising his strikeouts and lowering his home runs, but still has a way to go. He has a nice fastball, which can reach up to 97 MPH. He has shown some flashes of brilliance, including two starts ago against the Cubs: 7.0 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 4 K. He has also got beat around several times this season too. He made 1 start against the Reds last year: 6.0 IP, 7 H, 3 ER, 3 BB, 5 K.

Starting Lineups

Reds Padres
1. Billy Hamilton (CF)
2. Zack Cozart (SS)
3. Joey Votto (1B)
4. Adam Duvall (LF)
5. Eugenio Suarez (3B)
6. Scott Schebler (RF)
7. Jose Peraza (2B)
8. Tucker Barnhart (C)
9. Bronson Arroyo (P)
1. Jose Pirela (LF)
2. Franchy Cordero (CF)
3. Wil Myers (1B)
4. Yangervis Solarte (2B)
5. Hunter Renfroe (RF)
6. Cory Spangenberg (3B)
7. Allen Cordoba (SS)
8. Austin Hedges (C)
9. Luis Perdomo (P)

Reds take RHP/SS Hunter Greene

For a second straight year the Reds picked #2 in the MLB Draft. The Reds appear to have struck gold in their pick of 3B Nick Senzel last year. This year, the Reds had Hunter Greene fall into their lap, the consensus top talent. Both Baseball America and MLB Pipleline had Greene as the best overall player in the draft. Greene’s fastball has been registered at 102 MPH, and has already been on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

During the MLB Draft show on the MLB Network, they did a really great piece on Greene and how he took excellent care of his sister who was battling leukemia. Greene appears to be a humble and well spoken young man. Steve Mancuso will be writing much more about Greene, so be sure to lookout for that! Be sure to give Hunter a follow on Twitter and welcome him to the Queen City: @HunterGreene17!

Cozart takes over NL SS All-Star vote lead

Zack Cozart, yes Zack Cozart, now has the most votes for NL SS! Cozart is well on his way to having Votto buy him a donkey. Speaking of Votto, it is fairly disappointing that the best 1B in baseball is 5th, but let’s hope that the players/Joe Maddon aren’t dumb enough to leave him off the roster.


Hunter Greene falling into the Reds lap is awesome. The Reds now have another great talent in the system. On the field now, the Reds had a very disappointing series in LA over the weekend. The good news is that the Padres are a much more formidable opponent that the Dodgers. It’s time for the Reds to get rolling, and beat up on a struggling team (the Padres have lost 6 of 7). Go Reds!

84 Responses

  1. msanmoore

    Let’s kick the Friars while they are down!

  2. larry

    Well, both teams are down after that dumpster fire series in l a. Lets hope we kick harder from a prone position.

  3. Indy Red Man

    Hunter Greene baby!!! Good luck to the kid!!! I did see over the weekend that mlb rosters consist of 44% college players and only 24% high school kids which seems surprising but kids this talented are turning down millions to go to college!

    • Indy Red Man

      aren’t turning down millions

    • Patrick Jeter

      I could be wrong, but I feel like a lot of the really super great players were HS picks. Your Griffeys, Trouts, Harpers, etc.

      But then again, cherry picking is bad analysis! Ha!

      Greene looks like a good kid, though. Glad to have him. Even if it takes 3-4 years to see him in Cincy.

      • Indy Red Man

        No….you’re right! Josh Hamilton was another one but maybe an example of why they fail more often? They get all that money up front and then don’t get the chance to mature a little bit in college and might make some bad decisions. College kids can make bad decisions too but they’re broke and that probably helps. It seems like this kid has it together and has a good deal of support so I can’t wait to see him move up the ladder!

    • renbutler

      I think it would be important to know the ratio at which they’re drafted. If more players are drafted out of college than out of high school, it would make sense that more major leaguers were drafted out of college.

      • Patrick Jeter

        Very true. I think a lot of analysis has been done on stuff like this. I bet the asnwer to your question is out there! 🙂

  4. Preach

    “Baseballs LeBron” and “the new Babe”… pressure. Very excited to see the kid in action

  5. Preach

    My son is happy to hear about Hunter, especially with the LeBron comparison (although we are a OKC household… with it). We’ve talked about the dearth of young African American fans, and kids like this may help change that.

  6. Preach

    I know I’m in the minority, but it’s good to hear George Grande…..especially since that means no THOM!!

  7. Preach

    Gotta make em pay for the weak defense

  8. Darrin

    That low and away is Perazas kryptonite

  9. VaRedsFan

    Does the Reds defensive shift ever work for them.

  10. Indy Red Man

    Wow….listened to Hunter Greene and sounds like a super kid! Very mature and grounded. If they can just get atleast 1 contributor from the 32nd and 38th picks. Lorenzen was a 2nd rounder. They said Judge with the Yankees was a 32nd pick.

    In the meantime….we get more of Arroyo get smacked around by the worst offense in baseball. I’m tired of their bs w/Arroyo. Enough is enough already???

  11. james garrett

    I am sure Bronson will have a couple of company lines to say after the game in regards to his performance.We have seen this now for over two months.

  12. Darrin

    Can this be it for the arroyo comeback tour please

  13. CI3J

    Wow, look at Arroyo eat those innings.

    I love Bronson, but this is just painful now. Can we end this experiment?

  14. james garrett

    Absolute joke to do this over and over.

  15. Preach

    Hunter, we know your in California already. How quick can you get to San Diego?

  16. Preach

    No one’s up in the pen. No one going to the mound. Bronson is out there for a while.

  17. james garrett

    Just not any words to describe why the Reds need to watch a 40 year old pitcher continue to get beat up.How can anybody let this happen to him or this team?

  18. TR

    Two innings of batting practice for the Padres with Bronson.

  19. Indy Red Man

    I’ve lost respect for Arroyo for not ending this himself. Its embarrassing and he shouldn’t need the money that bad.

    • da bear

      He doesn’t need the money. After the highs of playing in MLB for a living….what else in life is gonna be half as exciting? 1/10th as exciting? He won’t quit. Reds can offer him a coaching/mentoring gig, until his music career takes off, becomes his substitute high.

  20. Cincity80

    I have seen enough of Arroyo. Enough already. I’d rather watch Schebler go out there an pitch, at least you wouldn’t know what to expect! We have plenty of young pitchers that should be getting the chance to pitch

  21. james garrett

    Earlier in the year I thought he would never let it go this far but I guess I was wrong.

  22. james garrett

    We just went down on 7 pitches but how can you blame these guys.The team is embarrassed and the front office should be.

  23. J

    If they’re going to keep letting Arroyo pitch, they might as well take everyone else off the field. How ridiculous it would be if someone got hurt in one of these exhibition games,

  24. james garrett

    You can bet Price will say something like other then the 6 he gave up in second he was pretty good.

  25. Old-school

    It’s clear the Reds have no commitment to 2018…blow this up…the nationals lost 11-10 to the braves….trade Iglesias to the Nationals for 3 top 10 prospects…trade Cozart and Hamilton….this team isn’t winning in 2018.
    Target 2019-22. Arroyo is an embarrassment…Brian Price is a joke…
    DW will fire him.

    • CI3J

      Calm down, buddy. Yeah, tonight is ugly, but let’s not overlook all the positive vibes from beforehand. The Reds have a legit offense, their bullpen is really good, just need to be patient and wait for those young starting pitchers to come along.

      But I do agree, Arroyo is embarrassing, and they need to fire Price.

      • Old-school

        You don’t fix starting pitching in 6 months. .this team is done till 2019..blow it up…trade Hamilton and Iglesias and Cozart….NOW

  26. Darrin

    They can’t possibly start arroyo again, right?

  27. Indy Red Man

    Embarrassing performance. Peraza has blown 2 easy plays in 2 days. The Reds players have to be thinking whiskeytango when Arroyo is Arroyo’ing and prob lose concentration. A game that you hope to win is suddenly a laugher.

  28. james garrett

    They can and will.Like I said Price will point to the 6 run second inning and say take that one out and he did pretty good.

    • Preach

      Like Dave Wanstadt explaining an NFL loss: “yeah…Aaaahhh…..take those 21 points they gave up in the third quarter…..aaaahhhhh…..and it was a competitive game…..”

    • CI3J

      That’s kind of like Japan saying “Well, except for Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the Americans didn’t do too much damage.”

  29. james garrett

    Offense goes down on 7 pitches again.Guess they don’t even see the need to try.

  30. Indy Red Man

    Reed is rolling at AAA…this could’ve been a good game to give him some confidence against the worst hitting team in mlb. Romano is back. Bonilla isn’t great but he’s better then Arroyo. They had options before Homer & Finnegan come back.

    • J

      But the whole point of baseball is to not have your better pitchers pitch. Then they can be well rested.

  31. james garrett

    Not going to give anybody else a chance regardless.

  32. Preach

    ……and who the heck is Franchy Cordero???

    • Tom Diesman

      He’s just some guy in a beret enjoying the luxurious lobbings of Bronson Arroyo tonight.


    The Reds will finish 4 th or 5 th in the NL Central with or without Arroyo. Bronson will depart the scene soon. We will also see if Bailey and Finnegan can help stabilize the rotation. Meanwhile hopefully Reed and Stephenson find themselves at Louisville. How soon we forget this is a rebuilding year.Next year too.
    Patience. It will get better.

    • Indy Red Man

      Possibly…hopefully but Dick Williams and the FO have to know more then the fans. I was on a diff Reds blog at the time but 100% OF US KNEW that Marquis/Gregg would be a disaster and Arroyo is even worse. If they continue to be idiots then every year will be a rebuilding year…only worse because Votto will age.

    • da bear

      Hello…..the NL Central in 2017 is….competitive. Ripe for taking. No team stands out. Cubs pitching far worse this year than last and hitting has been underperforming. St Louis is weak hitting, number of their guys have fallen off fm last year. Pirates are punchless and bullpen has been challenging. Milwaukee may be performing over their heads. Reds can choose to go for last (keep running out Arroyo, and whomever else they pluck from the alleyways and in between the seat cushions) or they can adopt the Rockies modus operandi and see what they got in AA with a ceiling far higher than their current batch of retreads. The difference between last and first in the NL Central looks to be smaller than usual. Managed under proper supervision, there is hope in 2017 without sacrificing the future.

  34. J

    This is more or less like allowing a backup outfielder to start every fifth game.

    • J

      Maybe for a change of pace we should have BIlly start a few games and Arroyo could lead off. Same result either way.

  35. james garrett

    PLAYTOWN you are right in everything you said but Arroyo pitching at all serves no purpose.Its not about him getting beat up or the team losing its about the starts he is getting rather then somebody else getting some experience.I must disagree with Reed and Stephensen finding themselves because they have nothing to prove in AAA especially Reed.Getting them stretched out is ok but they should be pitching for the rest of the year every 5th day in the big leagues.The rest I agree with you on.

  36. Preach

    On the plus side, our outfielders are getting their wind sprints in…..

  37. joshtrum

    I actually want someone to question DW and Price why Arroyo deserves to start, because he doesn’t. This team CAN play catchup and D, maybe somehow we can pull one out here.

  38. james garrett

    A nine pitch inning for us.The hitters maybe sending a message.

  39. Old-school

    Wake up RLN…Bronson Arroyo is the worst pitcher in years in baseball….and he’s still pitching in a pitchers park ….down 9-2 in the 5th inning ….the Reds front office doesn’t care….stop buying tickets…they don’t care about 2018 either….trade every asset…how low will tickets be in StubHub in September???? Can’t wait till the 2018 draft…get that #2 pick again.

    • CI3J

      The Reds are well along in the rebuild. Their offense can hang with anyone. Their bullpen is good enough. Are you really going to give up when they are so close?

    • Chuck Schick

      You might want to sit the next play out, Champ

  40. Preach

    You know McGuire RIGHT NOW would like to grab a bat and get in the box.

  41. james garrett

    On a different topic but Billy is something like 3 for his last 28 but we continue to give him the most at bats.Which comes first-Billy moved out of the lead off spot or Bronson out of his starting spot?

  42. Indy Red Man

    Duvall with another outfield assist. He hustled and beat out a routine grounder in the 1st when their 3b double-clutched it. It ended up helping the Reds get 2 runs. He’s a very good ballplayer and they need to keep him!

    See ya Arroyo…hope the next time I see him he’s on his boat with some honeys in a Reds “Where are they now?” spot…..maybe 2028? I’m done with him for atleast a decade!

  43. james garrett

    The answer is neither because Billy is fast and Bronson eats innings.

  44. kmartin

    I feel really bad from Bronson. I obviously have never met him, but I would be surprised if he is doing this for the money. I think he loves the game and loves to pitch. It has to be tough to realize that at 40 you just can’t do what you love the most.

    • Indy Red Man

      Bottom line….you can’t be a B- pitcher (in his prime) and take 3 years off and expect to get it back at 40. Thats now how it works.

      • Indy Red Man

        not how it works….I type like he pitches

      • kmartin

        You are dealing in logic not emotion. The man loves pitching in the majors, the Reds game him the opportunity, he took it.

      • kmartin

        I can’t type either, I meant “gave” not “game”. Good grief we both need to go to bed.

  45. J

    Maybe for a change of pace we should have BIlly start a few games and Arroyo could lead off. Same result either way.

  46. james garrett

    Its ok INDY spelling doesn’t count and your right about Bronson.

  47. james garrett

    I read it as gave so yes we all need to go to bed.

    • CI3J

      The Reds have found their Super Sub for the next few seasons.

  48. james garrett

    Their pitcher is done.He just walked Billy with a 6 run lead.

  49. james garrett

    The Pads manager knew it too so he went and got him.

  50. Chuck Schick

    Arroyo is pitching because Reed and Stephenson had some growing up to do and he can easily be DFA when any 1,2 or 3 of the real pitchers, currently on the DL, return. Reed seems to be getting the message. We’ll see about Stephenson.

    Hamilton leads off because he scores runs at a pace that matches or exceeds most lead off hitters. Getting on base is important because it leads to runs….Hamilton is able to score as many or more runs than most while getting on base less. The Reds are 7th in MLB in runs and 4th in OPS….so he obviously is just killing them in the lead off spot.

    Hamilton scores runs at a higher rate than 2016 Dexter Fowler…..who had the best line up in baseball behind him. I believe some of you wanted the Reds to pay Dexter Fowler roughly 6x’s what they pay Billy Hamilton……to be less productive.