2017 Reds / Titanic Struggle Recap

Titanic Struggle Recap: Reds play longball, win 2 of 3 in Philly

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (24-25) 8 12 0
Philadelphia Phillies (17-31) 4 10 0
W: Feldman (4-4) L: Eflin (0-3)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score

The Good
–Jose Peraza and Zack Cozart singled to begin the game and, one out later, Adam Duvall singled Peraza home with the game’s first run.

The following inning, Scott Schebler absolutely destroyed a home run to center field, his 15th of the season, to give the Reds a 2-0 lead. Those 15 bombs ties Schebler for the National League lead (with Bryce Harper), and he’s only one behind Mike Trout for the MLB lead.

After Philly took a 4-2 lead off Reds starter Scott Feldman (more on him in a moment), Duvall decided he was sick of Schebler stealing his thunder. Duvall hit two home runs, one in the third — to tie the game — and one in the fifth, which gave the Reds a 7-4 lead.

–For the day, Duvall was 3-4 with 2 HR and 5 RBI. But he and Schebler weren’t the only Reds playing longball today. No, as you may have predicted before the game, Patrick Kivlehan also hit two home runs, one in the fourth and one in the ninth. Kivlehan’s shot in the fourth gave the Reds a lead they would not relinquish.

–Blake Wood, Wandy Peralta, Drew Storen, and Raisel Iglesias combined to pitch four scoreless innings of relief.

–Peraza had two hits, extending his hitting streak to 13 games. All of a sudden, he looks like the Peraza we hoped we’d see this season.

The Bad
–Feldman gave up four runs on 8 hits in five innings, and wasn’t particularly sharp today. Kind of a Feldman-esque start in many ways. But he gets the win, thanks to this potent Cincinnati offense.

Not-So-Random Thoughts
–The Reds take 2 of 3, and move back to within one game of .500. That’s the first series Cincinnati has won in Philadelphia since 2006. How is that possible?

–Kivlehan had two homers in 65 career at-bats coming into the game. Playing in front of a large contingent of family members in Philadelphia (Patty Kivvles is from New Jersey) seemed to do him well.

–The Reds will head up to Toronto tomorrow, where Lisalverto Bonilla will face the Blue Jays.

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22 thoughts on “Titanic Struggle Recap: Reds play longball, win 2 of 3 in Philly

  1. Just take a moment to let this ferment…

    Schebler: 121 wRC+
    Duvall: 122 wRC+
    Winker (AAA): 125 wRC+

    While checking up on Winker’s performance yesterday (a 13-1 humiliation by Lehigh Valley), which Winker went 2-4, I noticed a familiar name in the boxscore. Our old friend Ben Lively got the win for Lehigh Valley.

    In 9 games, all starts, at AAA this season, Lively has a 2.40 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, 6.43 SO/BB ratio and just 1 HR in 56.1 IP.

    I’m sure glad the Reds were able to talk the Mets out of a useless roid abuser and paid him $4MM to boot for a pitcher who has thrown just 7 BB in 56 innings. After all, the Reds certainly couldn’t use such a pitcher.

    • The Reds were coming off 3 playoff appearances in 5 years and had a year left of Cueto, Leake and Chapman. They rolled the dice on Byrd and lost. It’s all so easy and clear in hindsight.

      Lively is pitching well in AAA….I’m glad we’ve never seen any examples of that not translating to MLB success.

  2. I like the two series wins against the Phillies. Although it’s six years ago, it’s a bit of comeuppance for the Phillies playoff sweep of the Reds. Nice to see some Reds fans at Citizens Bank. With June around the corner, we should see more fans at GABP. And Jay is getting it done tonight for the Mets against the Pirates.

    • I love the Frazier tweets.

      I’m pretty sure about 99% of the immediate post trade posts were filled with anger and despair about the fleecing.

      • Not only the issue with Frazier coming off a decent 2015 season and following it up with 40 HR season for Chicago, I thought a of people felt Dodgers got the better end of the deal. Just curious if anyone knows if the guys they got are having any impact

      • Spot on sir. The same people who were ripping WJ on those trades are the ones touting the trade now. But no apology to WJ? I thought these writers and readers were the real GMs.

  3. How bad has the starting pitching become for the Reds? How about the trickle down effect to AAA? The Bats got thoroughly pummelled the past 2 games, 13-1 & 14-2. The starter didn’t make it out of the 4th inning yesterday and failed to make it out of the 2nd inning today.

    • I don’t think you can blame that on trickle down. The offerings that the Bats pitching has provided isn’t that good. Fortunately there are good things coming from AA very soon I hope.

      • My uneducated guess is there will likely be no wholesale promotions until after the amateur draft, and the Billing’s Mustangs get a roster set up, and maybe play a couple of weeks. There will have to be a whole ripple of promotions all along the minor league system. I wish one singular promotion would be Tyler Mahle to AAA, right now.

  4. Hypothetically, if we get maybe 2/3 of finnegan, bailey, desclafani back before ASG and are still in the mix, do we still ourselves as potential buyers? A lot of bodies in the minors for a middle of the rotation guy.

    I know there’s a lot of time left, but it’s exciting we’re able to think this way at this point in the year. Knock on wood.

  5. Our starter gives up 4 in 5 innings and we get a few more and the pen goes 4 innings to seal the deal.This is our model to stay around 500 but boy we could be better if we had a starter or two that could get us to the 7th consistently.We now head to Toronto where the ball flys and they are getting healthy so expect a beat down or two but we can hit too.

    • No. We wouldn’t be better. This team is currently either defying logic or rewriting how to use pitchers for greatest effect. Save the great guns for high leverage and use retreads for inning filler and mopup work

      • None of that cancels out the fact that if they had even average starting pitching right now, they would be in a position to contend. This is based on what we have learned in two months, not a full season, granted. The expectation for this year was largely that the Reds would be slogging through another season of trial and error. What we have learned is that the starting lineup is among the best in the bigs both offensively and defensively, and the bullpen is lights-out. It may be a two-month blip, or it may be an indicator that in at least two respects, the rebuild has progressed faster than expected. For the second straight season, they have six starting pitchers on the disabled list at the same time. No team could overcome that completely.

        How they are using pitchers right now might be revolutionary. However, I would suggest that it’s a result of having a group of starters, none of whom have yet proven that they belong in the top echelon of a good team’s starting rotation. They have a bunch of fifth (and lower) starters currently.

        Perhaps a bigger question: Is there something happening in this organization athletic-training wise that is a factor in all these pitching injuries? Rookie Davis now is ready to go on the Class AAA DL, which would be now seven starting pitchers disabled simultaneously. It may be coincidence, but after two straight years, it seems as though the question needs to be asked.

        • I disagree with everything you sad except for the part on injuries. Here we have common ground. Somebody somewhere is criminally failing the pitchers. The thing is it isn’t just the Reds. Maybe it is the risk versus the reward of making millions that guy’s throw till it hirts, breaks, or they can’t pitch anymore. Take Robert Stephenson. I’m unimpressed… Sorry to burst your bubble. He is a thrower and not a pitcher. He doesn’t know where the ball is going once it leaves his finger tips. I think instruction in A ball should begin by having all the pitchers intentionally not throw as hard as possible. Slow down until you master the strike zone and then slowly ramp the mph back up. Once they begin increasing how hard they throw you have a med team constantly monitoring arm angles, sudden wincing, and heck an MRI after every start. Better use of technology and staff. If my plan doesn’t work somebody come up with a better one and soon.

        • Tom – good question…but the Mets are far worse with the injury bug and each week someone goes down across the league… It’s a function of where the game is now…everything is hard stuff and scouts look at velocity as the first cut off . Young players start in their teens with throwing programs to get velocity as fast and High as possible…off speed isn’t the curve…it’s hard sliders and heavy torque on the elbow.
          25% of pro pitchers have had Tommy John.
          Lorenzen and Bailey look like big strong guys …and they are….that doesn’t mean that little ligament in the elbow can handle anything and everything…like their back and leg muscles can.

          The reds need to identify those pitchers who can get guys out with easy effort….not more efffort. Leake.the old Arroyo…Tom Browning…Glavine etc….
          I’ve not seen Tyler Mahle but the reports are a command and control guy in the low 90’s. Get more of those guys.
          Disco I don’t get. He seemed to be the perfect combination .

        • Tom….I genuinely respect your view and often agree with you. However, it’s a zero sum game. In order to make the starting pitching better you would need to make bullpen worse. Would you rather the pitching get better as the game goes on or worse?

      • Yes this team would be so much better. You will see that and understand once Finnegan Disco and possibly even Homer return to replace Arroyo, Bonilla & Feldman. The Reds have the worst starters in baseball coupled with a decent slightly above average bullpen plus a top third MLB offense. The starting staff will become average level when those three return, which will spur the Reds to above .500. It’s a tragic shame the Reds haven’t tried some of their AA pitchers doing well in the meantime. The Rockies pitching improved tremendously with guys with minimal AA experience.

  6. JB, I’m not sure what you are referencing, but it seems to be directed at my post. I guess you may be refering to the last series win in Philly by the Reds, but I’m not sure how long that drought has been. The series victory was a wonderful outcome, but it certainly wasn’t the result of the Reds starting pitching. My point was the noticible impact that the injuries and sub-optimal performances by the Reds starting pitching has had on the AAA starting pitching also. I only pointed it out because a lot of RLN followers don’t spend the time to look at the Reds organization as a whole, just the major league club. That’s not a criticism either; everyone has their own specific interests in the Reds. I enjoy checking in on the minor league organization on a daily basis and occasionally share something I found interesting or poignant. I also whole-heartedly agree with with GL’s post regarding the AA pitching staff as it relates to the AAA pitching staff.

    Oh, and I staunchly avoid killing the peasants whenever possible. I much prefer basal torture.

    • Whoops…never mind! It looks like the post was deleted while I was typing.

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