2017 Reds / Titanic Struggle Recap

Titanic Struggle Recap: The Tim Adleman Show

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (23-24) 5 7 1
Philadelphia Phillies (16-30) 2 3 0
W: Adleman (3-2) L: Nola (2-2) S: Iglesias (9)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score

The Good
–Tim “Cy Young” Adleman was brilliant tonight, tossing eight shutout innings, surrendering just one hit along the way. It was the longest start of Adleman’s big league career, though he threw just 100 pitches. At one point, he retired 16 consecutive Phillies.

20 of the 24 outs recorded by Adleman tonight came via groundball or strikeout.

That’ll do, Timmy. That’ll do.

–Billy Hamilton led off the game with a walk, and the Reds were off to the races. Billy stole second, then stole third, then scored on a Joey Votto groundout. Classic BillyBall run.

After that, it was time for some power, as Adam Duvall blasted his 11th home run of the season. One inning later, Scott Schebler connected to deep center field for his 14th of the year.

Cincinnati held that 3-0 lead until the sixth, when Jose Peraza delivered a two-run single. Peraza has hit in 12 straight games.

–Duvall was 2-4 with two runs scored. Eugenio Suarez went 2-4, as well.

–Raisel Iglesias came on to get the last two outs for his 9th save. Iglesias’ ERA is down to 0.71 on the season.

The Bad
–With a 5-0 lead, Asher Wojciechowski came on to pitch the bottom of the ninth. It didn’t go well. After collecting a quick out, the Phillies went to work. Double, walk, double…and manager Bryan Price was forced to bring in Iglesias to put out the fire.

Wojciechowski will start on Tuesday in place of Amir Garrett, evidently.

–Joey Votto has been awfully good defensively, but he made an ugly error in the ninth, dropping a throw from Suarez.

Not-So-Random Thoughts
–That’s three wins in four games for the fightin’ Redlegs, and they’re back to within a game of .500. The longer they hover around the break-even mark, the happier I am.

–Hamilton’s two SBs were his 24th and 25th stolen bases of the season. That leads the major leagues, as you might suspect. Not only does it lead MLB, it leads by a wide margin; Dee Gordon is second, with just 14 steals.

–Only Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, and Aaron Judge have more home runs than Scott Schebler.

–Adleman’s performance dropped his ERA from 6.19 to 4.95.

–Sorry for the late recap. My daughter’s softball team unexpectedly made it to the finals of their conference tournament today, so it ended up being a late night. I watched the Reds game on my phone at the ballfield.

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37 thoughts on “Titanic Struggle Recap: The Tim Adleman Show

  1. What a difference a good outing can make, with that offensive and that bullpen this team could be easily fighting at the top. Hopefully Adleman and Feldman can perform more of those and Garrett can make it again after returning from injury. The other two spots, well, who knows…

  2. Not a huge fan of Price using Iggy for one inning or less as often as he has lately. Maybe It has something to do with the high volume of innings the pen has thrown this month.

    Other than that, pretty solid game from the good guys

    • I completely disagree. You go for the big gun in a high risk situation. That is what Price did. Imagine the Price crucifixion if he didn’t use Iglesias in that situation and the Reds lost? We will never know but to me if the Reds win the manager did his part. He put the Reds in a position to win it and so they did.

      • “When the enemy is desperate drop the Daisy Cutter. Don’t wait for Adleman to remember he is Adleman”

        Maya Angelou

        • Maya knows ordinance:

          The C-130 leaps
          on the back of the wind
          and soars oerhead
          till the current ends
          and dips its wings
          in the orange sun rays
          BLU-82 on hand.

      • Right on. That inning could have unraveled completely. Try to put the fire out as soon as possible. I’d argue Price should have pulled Wojo a batter sooner, but maybe he hadn’t had time to get Iglesias warmed up. Or maybe Price was waiting for the ‘save situation.’ …

        The concern over turning Iglesias into a one-inning pitcher is fair, but to me, getting the win is what matters.

        • I was speaking more to the trend than the game last night. The 5-1 win Monday is a good example where Lorenzen pitched the 8th and Iglesias the 9th, when it didn’t seem necessary to use both in the same game

          • From 4/7 to 5/9 he went 2 innings 5 times. Has not gone more than 1 inning since.

            He has pitched 6 times in the last 9 games.

          • I kind of look at it differently. While I definitely agree there are times for two inning outings, if Lorenzen and Iglesias are both only used for one inning on any given night, then they are both likely to be available the next game as well. If you use either for 2 innings or more, they are potentially unavailable for the next two games. I really don’t have a problem with the 1 inning appearances, as long as the rest of the bullpen continues to pull their weight. JMO of course.

      • Let me be Devil’s Advocate: why not allow Adelman to go out and start the 9th? Only thrown 100 pitches and given up ONE hit. Unless he told Price, I’m done? Even Chris Welch was amazed Adelman was taken out. I’m just not a Price fan. Let somebody finish what they started plus he’s so darn bunt happy and it never works.

        • Chris Welch is not a fan of pitch counts and stated after the game that pitchers rarely get a chance to throw a complete game 1-hitter in their careers. I can see where he’s coming from.

          Brian Price seems to be locked into pitch counts and stated that WoJo needed to get some work if he is going to start against Toronto. Whether that work can only happen in a game situation versus on the side depends on who you talk to.

          Looks like simply a difference of opinion/philosophy to me. This should also put to rest the idea that Brian Price is all that concerned about player stats. Dusty would have definitely rolled Adelman out in the ninth so he could get the CG. Brian Price? Not so much.

          I don’t have a problem with Brian Price. I think he does a good job overall. There is certainly room for improvement though—like with bunting. 🙂

  3. Another fun game to watch. The 2 DP’s we turned were something to behold. Just really heads up and rather gutsy (I thought) from Mesaraco.

    Too bad Joey didn’t snag that great throw from Suarez, but it didn’t matter in the end and Price looked a bit like Captain Hook making that change.

    I remain on the Billy Hamilton Fan Wagon … I think he is maturing and we’ll get to watch this for some time. Would love to see him steal 90 or 100 this season.

    • Not excusing Votto for not catching that throw in the 9th; but, I’ll bet the throw was one nasty live mover that exploded just as it arrived to him.

      • I might well be wrong, but it looked to me as though JV had no trouble gloving the ball. He simply dropped it.

        • Was it a bad throw? No. Should it have been caught? Yes.

          I’m guessing he “dropped” it because it suddenly was moving very late just like a pitch that smacks into and then squirts out of a catcher’s mitt for no apparent reason. The things we take for granted often aren’t as easy as they seem.

          • Agreed. No one catches 100% of balls over their career. Votto probably catches 9,999 out of 10,000 throws to first.

            This is that 1.

      • I’ve played some 1B in my day (softball) and I agree … it can be like a knuckler at times.

        • In HS, I caught and played 1B. Our two best pitchers alternated between the mound and SS. I saw some of their best stuff from time to time at 1B, especially when they had to double clutch or hurry a throw. I missed a couple I should have caught. They actually apologized afterward because they knew what had happened. But I’m sure that didn’t deter most onlookers from wondering how that fool at 1B missed a seemingly fine throw.

  4. On the Bad side, Votto’s MLB season high on base streak ended last night at 27 games. A veritable slump. I predict he’ll break out of his slump and reach base 6 times this weekend to vent his frustration. Also, Peraza has a 12 game hitting streak. But I’m struggling to be impressed. He’s raised his average in that stretch from .235 to .254. He has nine straight one hit games with only one walk. He’s still 85th of 91 qualified NL hitters in OPS. Imagine what that would look like if he weren’t on a hot streak. You’ve heard it from me before but I’m not a Peraza fan.

    • Yes, and his defense was horrific also. He started with a beautiful barehanded play on a high-hopper to make an out at 1st. Then he hung tight on 2 double play balls and turned them both. Then to top it off, he comes through with a clutch 2-out single to drive in 2 runs.
      There’s no doubt that at 23 years of age, this kid is just a helpful utility player at best!

      • Point taken, he did have a good day yesterday, though I’m still not going to get too excited about 1 for 4 with a single that happened to be well timed. The issue I have is the idea of getting rid of Cozart and substituting Peraza instead for the long term. If you think that’s a good move we’ll just disagree. On the other hand I’m a Reds fan so if that’s what they do I’ll be rooting for Peraza to develop and thrive.

        • I agree with you 100% – Cozart is a terrific player/leader and I hope they don’t trade him either. That’s not what I intended when defending Jose’s play. I’m certainly not on the trade Cozart bandwagon – but the front office will have to make that call.

          There’s a tendency to quickly judge a player’s career based on the latest sabermetric stat of the week. But we have no idea of the young man’s desire, attitude or work ethic. We do know Peraza has quick hands, a good arm and speed – those are great tools to start with. He just needs to learn to not let his quick hands get too far ahead. Let’s hope, that Jose and the other young guys (Schebler, Hamilton, Suarez & most of the pitching staff), will become a great Cincinnati Reds team.

    • I share your concerns about Peraza but his is just his age 23 season.

      By way of comparison, Dave Concepcion’s OPS+ for his age 23 season was 44 (354PA’s). Over the next dozen years, his OPS was >100 six times and he was a nine time All Star.

      Time will tell.

      • Great points, Jim

        If the internet had existed in the early 70’s Dave Concepcion would’ve been roasted regularly.

    • My main concern is, and has been, that his OBP is directly tied to his batted ball stats. BABIP can fluctuate for stretches but typically settles in around 300 for most players. Peraza may be able to carry one a little higher due to his speed.

      Last season for example his BABIP was 361. So far this season it’s been 289. This season is a lot closer to the league average BABIP than last season. As a guy who doesn’t walk much, currently sporting a 2.7 BB%, or hit HRs, or K that much (12.9%), his AVG and OBP aren’t going to be effected much either way by anything other than his batted ball profile. As was noted above, there’s a lot of 1-4 games. While it’s nice that he’s put together a streak, without XBH or BBs it’s just not moving the needle.

      But yes, he’s young and will be given time to develop. I hope he does. But unless he walks more or finds the gaps more, his offensive profile just doesn’t excite me.

  5. The key to this offense is if Billy and Peraza step up to and get their OBP up in the 320-330 range.If they do that then this team becomes much better.Billy scored the first run and Peraza drove in the last two with two out.The other guys in this lineup continue to produce.Votto was 0-4 and the Reds still put up 5 runs but Aldeman set the tone with his performance.Average middle of the pack starting pitching is all this team needs.Look out when some guys get back.

  6. Hamilton worked a leadoff walk and stole a run to set the tone with the help of a useful ground out from Votto . From there, the Reds went on to score four more runs in the game with no contribution for either one. That’s a big positive takeaway for me.

  7. The deal with Adleman, and the statistics experts will doubtless shred this comment, is that he can be good, but infrequently. Really good pitchers are frequently good. Journeymen like Adleman will have good outings, and people will say “He’s turned the corner!”. Yet I would wager his next outing will not be very good. But yet, here we are, with him in the rotation. Probably a really nice guy, but does not have the talent to sustain a high level of performance like we saw last night, against a pretty weak offensive team.

    • I think you are probably very close on Adleman. He looks like a grinder that fills in the back end of a mediocre rotation or the long man behind a better rotation. Bonilla may also be a bit of a late bloomer who fits the same mold, perhaps slightly better.

    • I think what Adleman provides is a decent chance that he’ll be adequate to solid most nights he takes the mound. You’re right that he will very rarely be good, in 20 starts he’s only recorded outs past the 6th inning 3 times. Combined with last year’s starts he’s made 8 quality starts (6IP 3 runs or less allowed) in 20 games started. Among those starts he also has a 5IP 1R, and 5IP 0R starts. He also has a 1IP start where he allowed 3ER this year and had to come out due to injury. (That start skews his overall numbers for this year).

      Essentially, about half the time you’re going to get a quality/solid start. For a club like the Reds, who have been decimated by injuries, that’s pretty valuable. For more competitive teams, he’s probably no more than a swing man/long man in the bullpen.

    • I would wager that his next outing will be a bit of a challenge, since it likely will occur in Toronto. No pitcher’s spot in the batting order, and the Jays are getting Tulowitzki and Donaldson back in the lineup.

      • Probably likely. Yet, Adelman is probably a really good athlete, and he’s worked hard to get here. I hate to make comments that trash some guy who has worked his heart out to get to the Majors, and likely is a really good guy. Yet he is just what he is. A journeyman pitcher.

        • Until the once promising Reds starting pitching gets stabilized, I’ll take a journeyman pitcher like Adleman any day.

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