Titanic Struggle Recap

Reds lose 4th straight, fall back to .500

The wind blowing out at Wrigley Field + Bronson Arroyo is not a great combo.

The Reds lost their fourth straight game this evening, and have now fallen back down to .500. Arroyo struggled over five innings, and his relief, Blake Wood, struggled even more. The Reds offense did their part, hitting three home runs of their own, but it was far from enough.

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (19-19) 5 10 0
Chicago Cubs (19-19) 9 13 1
W: Lackey (4-3) L: Arroyo (3-3)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score | Game Thread

Biggest Play of the Game

According to Fangraphs WPA statistic (winning percentage added), the most important play of the game was Bronson Arroyo allowing a 2 RBI ground-rule double to Wilson Contreras with 2 outs in the 1st inning. That gave the Cubs a 3-1 lead. That play decreased the Reds chances of winning by 17.1% (from 42.9% to 25.8%).

Player of the Game

Ian Happ: 1 for 3, 1 HR, 2 BB, 0.16 WPA

The former UC Bearcat beat up on the Reds today in just his third MLB game.

Positives

Courtesy Reddit

Zack Cozart hit his third home run of 2017. Cozart continues to make a strong push for a donkey. He is now hitting .339/.431/.583 on the season.

Joey Votto hit a 427 foot opposite field bomb off Koji Uehara. It was the first home run Uehara has allowed in 16 appearances this season. Votto now has 11 home runs in 2017, and is now on pace to hit 47.

Tucker Barnhart hit his first home run of 2017.

Jose Peraza had two hits tonight. Neither were hard hit balls and probably fall into the lucky category, but anytime Peraza gets on base twice that is a good thing.

Billy Hamilton also had a two hit night. He also had a great catch. Shocker.

John Lackey did something very generous for the Reds. He threw a ball in the dirt on an 0-2 count with 2 outs to Bronson Arroyo with a runner on third base. The lead to the Reds third run of the evening.

Negatives

Bronson Arroyo had been about a league average pitcher for the past month, but he was not on tonight. Arroyo now has a 6.31 ERA/6.16 FIP on the season.

Blake Wood had a less than stellar outing. He allowed five baserunners in 0.1 innings.

Scott Schebler got picked off first base in the 4th inning. No bueno.

Not so random thoughts……….

The Cubs are going to be good forever now, aren’t they? Sigh.

Here is a must see interview of Michael Lorenzen on MLB Now.

Up Next:

Reds at Cubs
Wednesday, 8:05 PM
TV: FOX Sports Ohio
Scott Feldman (3.59 ERA) vs Kyle Hendricks (3.40 ERA)

24 thoughts on “Reds lose 4th straight, fall back to .500

    • Perhaps it’s because the Cubs are the best team in baseball and the Reds were pitching a 50 year old with an arm made of cheese.

  1. Games like this show you just what type of team that the Reds truly have. I am pleasantly surprised that they are still playing .500 ball for the year. I don’t think that will be the case come September but ehhh we get better draft picks the more pathetic this team plays.

    Bronson gave us what we expect. 5 runs on the table for our Redlegs as well so the blame isn’t on him alone.
    None of our relievers looked particularly sharp. Stevenson once again over relying on that fastball. Price should ban him for an entire week from throwing it. Make him throw only his secondary pitches until he figures it out. Now that would be hardcore coaching and something that I would wholeheartedly support.
    Duvall and Suarez are both slumping so time for some off days, extra video, and threats of having to perform laundry service if they don’t improve fast.

    • Bob Steve looked very good except for 1 pitch. It was the curve ball (not fastball) that he left up, when Tucker was calling for it to be in the dirt. His offspeed looked very sharp IMO to the other guys he faced. Hard to get sharp pitching a few innings every 3-5 days.
      If he is awful as a starter, then find out now, instead of waiting until next year. What are we finding out about the future by starting Bronson?

  2. Disagree. Why Stephenson not getting a chance to start eludes me. He must really have angered me. Have loved wat bing Bronson for years but time for him to be a long man

    • He’s Jumbo Diaz right now. He only has one pitch he can throw for a strike and you seem to think that making him a starter would somehow magically improve something that he has struggled with since A+ ball?

  3. When they said the wind was blowing I knew it was over. With Arroyo on the mound what did we expect? .500 ball the rest of the way will be an accomplishment with this starting pitching. They might be the worst starting pitching in the league. Last year it was the bullpen. Oh those baby steps. They can kill you when you’re inpatient.

  4. If the innings eating generation isn’t giving the Reds a chance to win every night, why not give the younger arms a chance to develop? Give me Garrett (soon, I know), Davis, Romano (hurt, I know), Stephenson, Lorenzen, Finnegan (really hurt, I know), and let them play and learn. I realize I’ve answered the short term question already based on injuries, but over the course of this season I really hope we see more Tyler Mahle and less Bronson Arroyo (figuratively speaking).

    • I’m on board with this. Tough to continue winning when your starters have the worst ERA, FIP, and WAR not just in the NL but in all of MLB. At what point do the Reds pivot to younger guys? I’m guessing July, but if the Reds had even decent starting pitching, they would make this season interesting.

      • And in our dreams, we envisioned a starting rotation that included some combination of Bailey, Disco, Finnegan, Stephenson, Reed, Feldman since they signed him to start, and then due to his performance in ST, Garrett. Oh well. Much as I admire Arroyo and Adelman’s determination, I have to concede that at this point I would prefer to see what some of the arms of the future can bring to the starting rotation.

  5. It is the worst starting staff in the league because its made up with guys that are 4 or 5 inning pitchers for the most part that will give up 4 or 5 runs.Sometimes they will do better and other times worse.Young guys can do the same thing and maybe worse but will be gaining experience.Some may never be a starter but we found out about Disco two years ago and Finny last year.Too much history about young starters not getting it until the second or third year but you have to let them pitch.Its not a surprise when they get hammered but its not a surprise when these warm bodies do it either.Aldeman on Sunday and Bronson last night lost the game in the first inning.Surely things will change once we get healthy.The 0 for 12 from the 4,5 and 6 holes last night did not help but all are in their second year in the big leagues.Big difference then if they were with their 6th team and had been playing for 12 or 13 years.Young players have to play.

  6. We know the Reds are in the middle of a tough stretch of games. They just need to tread water for now. Easier said than done, but it’s possible by leaning heavily on your bullpen and not letting the starters go thru the lineup a 3rd time…..except for Feldman and Garrett. So long as they keep that shuttle from the minors running frequently we can weather the storm and not burn guys out.

    To that end, get Stuart Turner off the roster and bring up another arm!

    • They don’t want to overwork and possibly injure Iglesias, Lorenzen, or Peralta. By going w/Arroyo, Rookie, etc. they’re basically raising the white flag on 2017 and shooting for 2018. Marquis was actually better then Arroyo and he got released in early June that year so maybe Williams will see the light and go with youth! His signing was stupid from the start!

  7. I am on board with getting the young arms starts, particularly Stephenson and Lorenzen at this point. I just don’t see that there is anything to lose. Could not understand why they brought in Lorenzen to pitch the eighth inning when we are down three runs.

  8. Now that my overly optimistic hope is crushed, I’m not mad about games like today or where we finish this season. If we aren’t going to compete for a WS and this year is a “year for sorting” cause it feels like not much sorting has been done, then at least we get decent picks next year too, and we can be competing 2018-2019. I have the feeling we aren’t seeing certain pitchers for a reason. Garrett was all about service time and that’s fine. Just realize that this a team, although it is shaky, on the edge of a major boom in terms of competitiveness and players and we’re chomping at the bit. I see them going 70-80 wins this year, and that’s without 3 of their solid starters so far this year. It’s aight.

  9. I have been a fan of the Reds since the mid 60’s and I want to win.Losing is losing and 85 losses vs 90 losses is still losing.The reality is that we have a mostly young club with some upside with the exception of 3 of our starters who are 40,34 and 29 years old with two of them having filled out the back of their card long long ago.Using the warm bodies or the inning eaters is just plain silly when they are only giving us 4 to 5 innings on average.If this continues we find out nothing definitive about any of our young starters and we end up right back to where we are at now come 2018.Right back to where we are is not knowing who can or who can’t,we are worried about innings limits again and service time again.I hope the front office is smarter then that and will can this innings eating warm body concept real soon.Let the young guys pitch.

  10. No reason for Arroyo. No reason whatsover!!!! They have a guy at AA named Austin Ross. He’s 28 and prob just filler but has a 1.13 era at Pensacola and had a 3.89 era in the PCL (AAA) last year. Do you think Arroyo could manage a 1.13 era at any level of pro ball? He couldn’t pull that off if he pitched high school ball in the Cincy area! Williams and Price are smarter then that and it insults our intelligence to try to shove washed up scrubs down our throats…YEAR.AFTER.YEAR.AFTER.YEAR!!!

  11. I don’t understand why this team keeps rolling out Arroyo. The guy is 40 years old, has nothing left in the tank while we sit on of our top prospects. It’s really starting to irritate me that Robert Stephenson has not had a start yet. This year is supposedly about figuring out who can pitch so why not start Bob Steve already?

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