2017 Reds

Bryan Price’s encouraging bullpen management

With analytics becoming more prevalent in baseball, the popularity of the save has diminished in recent years. The logic behind this is fairly simple: why save your best reliever for the very last inning when a turning point in the game may come in the sixth, seventh, or eighth inning? Yet, many managers still refuse to use their most talented bullpen arm anytime except the ninth. Some have broken away from that trend over the last few seasons (most notably, Terry Francona and Joe Maddon in last year’s World Series), but most still abide by the traditional way of managing.

On multiple occasions after he was hired in 2014, Reds manager Bryan Price expressed a desire to buck the trend and get more creative with his bullpen, namely with Aroldis Chapman. More often than not, though, that didn’t happen. His setup men continued to pitch the eighth, and his closer continued to pitch the ninth. If the team was losing by one or two, the closer didn’t pitch, sometimes allowing a one- or two-run deficit become four or five.

In 2016, Price began showing a bit more creativity than he previously had by allowing Michael Lorenzen and Raisel Iglesias — his two best relievers, by far — to pitch multiple innings in relief to maximize their value. Part of this stemmed from the fact that the rest of his bullpen was largely awful and he didn’t trust them, but it was a step in the right direction. After seeing the success teams had with a nontraditional approach in the postseason, the Reds manager pondered if it was realistic to utilize a bullpen like that for an entire season in a piece by MLB.com’s Mark Sheldon:

“The only way that works is if you have multiple people who can do it,” Price said. “Every time you fire an Andrew Miller or a Raisel Iglesias for 2 2/3 innings, they’re not going to come back and do the same thing the next day, not in a 162-game season.”

This year, he does have multiple people who can do it, although some of his flexibility is due to having an eight- and nine-man bullpen, as well. Seven of his current relievers have previous starting experience (Lorenzen, Iglesias, Cody Reed, Robert Stephenson, Wandy Peralta, Barrett Astin, and Tony Cingrani), affording Price the flexibility to use his relievers for multiple innings or in high-leverage situations when necessary. When the team is up big, he’s let Reed and Stephenson pitch multiple innings as they continue to get their feet wet in the major leagues. When the team is holding on to a tight lead, he’s deployed Lorenzen and Iglesias — and not just in the ninth inning.

Last Friday, Price turned to Iglesias for a two-inning save as his team clung to a 2-0 lead over the Cardinals. The right-hander responded by allowing only one baserunner and striking out three to preserve the win.

The most notable example of this new mindset came on Monday against the Pirates. The Reds jumped out to a 5-0 lead by the second inning and seemed well on their way to a win. At the end of that inning, the Pirates’ win expectancy was just 8.3 percent. Brandon Finnegan, though, did not have his best stuff. He stranded five runners through the first two frames before walking in a run in the third with nobody out. At that point, the Pittsburgh win expectancy had crept up to 31.2 percent — that was the highest it would get.

Price, sensing a potential turning point in the game, opted to turn to his bullpen early. And he didn’t bring in a long reliever, as many managers might in that scenario; he brought in Lorenzen. By now, everyone knows what happened. The 25-year-old mowed down the next three Pirates hitters to leave the bases loaded and keep the Reds’ lead at four. That completely destroyed the Pittsburgh momentum, and Lorenzen went on to throw two more perfect innings as his team cruised to a 7-1 victory.

The Cincinnati skipper was up to his new tricks again the next night, bringing in Iglesias in the eighth inning after Blake Wood gave up a pair of singles. Despite the fact that his team was up 6-2, Price wanted to halt the Pirates’ momentum right there. The move paid off, as Iglesias squashed the potential rally and finished out the game in the ninth.

Even when the team doesn’t hold a lead, he’s used his best arms to keep the Reds in the game. This occurred in the very first game of the season. Although the Phillies led the entire game, they were only up by three in the late innings, a lead small enough that the Reds had a realistic chance of a comeback. Lorenzen pitched a scoreless eighth, and Iglesias followed with a scoreless ninth to keep the team within striking distance. Scooter Gennett then came through with a two-run home run in the bottom of the ninth to cut the Philadelphia lead to one. The Reds went on to lose the game 4-3, but it was another example of Price’s changing bullpen management. Would Dusty Baker have done any of this? Doubtful.

It’s been a refreshing change from Price, to say the least, and many have questioned why he wasn’t more strategic before this. Was it a Walt Jocketty issue? Is Price more free to deviate from the norm under the analytics-minded Dick Williams? It’s hard to say without being in those meetings behind closed doors. Whatever has changed, it’s a refreshing sight to see a Reds manager use his bullpen based on game situations and not predefined roles.

14 thoughts on “Bryan Price’s encouraging bullpen management

  1. In fairness to Price, I think he has not had the talent to manage quite like this before. A Field manager pushes the buttons, and the players respond. So far the response has been pretty incredible, making Price look brilliant. But really, it’s talent. Price has some real talent in the Bullpen this year, and his tactics are working because of that.

    • He had some of the same relievers for parts of last year and never seemed to do anything like this at all.

      • Pure speculation: Maybe the change in GM has influenced his willingness to do it. Got a green light from Dick Williams. OR maybe Price knows he has to do something unique to save his job and is trying it. As Patrick says, he’s never done anything like this before, including as a pitching coach with influence.

      • Some but the addition of reed and stephenson and wandy adds to the depth opening up so many options.

        • Last year: Cingrani, Iglesias, Lorenzen, Wood were all part of the bullpen from late June onwards. Subtract Jumbo Diaz, Ross Ohlendorf and Josh Smith from last year. Wandy Peralta came up late in the year. Reed and Stevenson were starters, now in relief (but for how long? and better than Josh Smith). Add Barret Astin and Drew Storen.
          Price showed some inklings of doing this last year, but never committed to it. With the rotation (3 young, 2 old) this year, he knew his bullpen was going to get a work out. He now knows what Lorenzen and Iglesias are capable of, and has more depth and quality (Storen is better than either Diaz or Ohlendorf, I think). It’s all worked a little magically for the moment, but he has to start getting six and seven innings out of his starters.

    • Jumbo came in yesterday for Tampa up 3-2 and left down 6-3. Now their guy is an idiot and Price is smart:)

  2. The cynic might say Price only went with Iglesias in the 8th on Tuesday after Blake Wood had created a ‘save situation.’ But regardless of the save situation, that did seem like a good time to make that call.

    Was commenting elsewhere that I didn’t get why Price wouldn’t pinch hit for Arroyo in the bottom of the fifth inning on Thursday night unless he didn’t want to use his bullpen for four innings in a losing game, (He used the bullpen for three innings anyway.) To me, that is same ol’, same ol’ for Price, one part of his managing that I really don’t like.

  3. The players seem to be accepting less specific roles. Everyone has the same role – get the opposing batters out when the manager calls.

  4. I think it is a combination of three things.
    1. He actually has several talented arms in the bullpen instead of a host of AAAA relievers. He has the horses this year.
    2. The new GM and Price seem to be on the same wavelength concerning bullpens, philosophy and usage.
    3. Having players that are not MLB veterans in the bullpen has given him the ability to get them to buy into this idea of saves, holds and stats aren’t important, but it is Wins that are important. No chiseled in stone roles. Everyone is capable of going multiple innings and coming in at any given time. Price has said this many times already this year.
    The days of uncertainty with the Hoovers and Diazes and Smiths and etc. and etc. getting blasted by the first batter they faced or pitching good in their first inning and then getting blasted in their second inning, while still a painful memory, are behind this team.
    Its a perfect storm coming together for the Reds and their bullpen. Gone are the AAAA relievers, incoming have been young players removed from the rotation mix, a manager employing a new philosophy and a willing new GM not afraid to go against the status quo in bullpen usage

  5. With the exception on maybe Storen he has young power arms to bring in.Bigger thing is as mentioned none of them have any pre-conceived ideas as to when and for how long they will be used when called upon.Several guys could actually close the game out which is a plus.In addition Price has shown if you struggle then he will go and get you regardless of inning or score.Finally I like the idea to use your best in the most crucial time of the game.Often the game can be lost in any inning while your best guy or guys watche from the pen.I like what Price is doing but you have young guys that are hungry and can pitch.

  6. It’s interesting to read/hear how the local media is questioning whether this can be a long term success…

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