The Reds have released veteran IF/OF Ryan Raburn (Mark Sheldon).

Welcome news to those who favor younger players with position flexibility for the bench. Raburn offered a big bat for pinch hitting against LHP. But his defense at 1B and the OF was poor during spring training.

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  1. DavidTurner49

    RR looks like the 2017 version of Brennan Boesch. His best shot may be in AL as bench, DH, PH.

  2. Hotto4Votto

    Hopefully this means Kivlehan makes the team. He’s impressed me.

    • DHud

      Has an option left, so probably not. Looking like Alcantara, Jennings, Iribarren, and Turner

      • lwblogger2

        That would only be 12 position players… Do you think they are going to carry 13 pitchers?

      • Shchi Cossack

        Price has already proclaimed that the Reds will carry 8 pitchers in the bullpen and 4 utility players.

      • lwblogger2

        That sucks… Makes some sense if pitchers aren’t expected to go more than 5-6 innings and if Price expects a lot of early exists (first 2-4 innings) though. This makes me think Price has very little faith in the starting pitching, especially to start the year.

      • greenmtred

        Given the inexperience of at least 3 of the projected starters, it seems reasonable to expect a lot of work for the bullpen, doesn’t it? For that matter, if Bronson makes the rotation, he could easily have a number of short starts. Having an underpopulated bench is also a problem, so it’s a problem either way.

  3. WVRedlegs

    Unfortunate for Raburn, but he’ll catch on again somewhere else.
    In another note, Mat Latos is getting released by Toronto. My heart weeps.
    Lots of moves teams will make this week.

    • msanmoore

      We had one shining moment in his career … lacing up the cleats to come in for an injured Cueto.

      • lwblogger2

        Yep, I’ll always appreciate that performance.

  4. Shchi Cossack

    Good news – bad news…

    In past seasons, Ryan Raburn would have been a lock as a pinch hitter on the major league roster. Despite the superlative endorsement by Price when the Reds announced the decision, Raburn did not make the 25-man roster. Hopefully this is yet another indication that the current Reds management has moved past the antiquated roster decisions of the previous Reds management.

    Unfortunately, Price’s comments also indicate that the Reds are fully committed to a 4-man bench and 8-man bullpen this season…sigh…

    • VaRedsFan

      They definitely need an 8 man bullpen. You have seen the Red’s starting pitchers right?

  5. GreatRedLegsFan

    Turner, Klivehan, Alcantara & Jennings four-man bench + Renda if five

    • reaganspad

      I agree with Hotto above that Kivlehan has impressed. In my book, he has not only made the team, but may be a RH starting hitting outfielder if there is failure. He reminds me of Duvall last year, just more athletic and a better swing.

      Irisaren has made this team in my mind. I like Renda, but he really cannot play second base (Sax Yipps) and has an option. I want some bats on the bench this year So I have Iribarren in the 4 who have made the team and Jennings is a tweener, Renda is at AAA.

      • lwblogger2

        Iribarren has really struggled with his throwing this spring too. I like him over Renda but honestly, he is playing himself off the roster.

  6. Shchi Cossack

    Hernan Iribarren has not done himself any favors with his shoddy defense this spring, especially recently. With Mesoraco destined for the Dl to begin the season, Turner looks like a lock to make the 25-man roster over Bradley. Alcantara and Kivlehan also look like near locks to make the 25-man roster.

    That probably leaves one roster spot available for Jennings (true CF option & RH hitter), Iribarren (defensive flexibility around the IF and OF & LH hitter) or Renda (defensive flexibility around the IF and corner OF & RH hitter). I don’t see any other really viable utility options to make the 25-man roster out of spring training. I think the decision comes down to the LH hitting Iribarren or the CF defense of Jennings.

    • WVRedlegs

      Kivlehan, Jennings and/or Iribarren will have to be added to the 40-man roster.
      Playing devil’s advocate, on the other side of the coin, who loses their 40-man roster spot for these 2 or 3 to be added?
      Plus, there might be one reliever who will have to be added too, thus necessitating another player move off the 40-man. Things could become very tight here.

      • David

        The forty man: Waive Adelman, and put Desclafani on the 60 day DL. That’s two spots open. I am not sure why we are keeping Christian Walker, but he is also on the 40 man. Also, if we are keeping Arroyo, that’s another name to be added to the 40 man roster. It could happen.
        So Desmond Jennings, Patrick Kivlehan and Hernan Iribaran all need to be added to the 40 man if the Reds are going to keep them, plus Bronson Arroyo (long man in the bull pen?).
        Maybe Lucas Luetge (on the 40 man) goes away too, if he doesn’t make the 25 man ML squad.

      • David

        Oops,looking at the wrong list. Luetge was an invitee, and not on the 40 man.

    • reaganspad

      I have seen Hernan and Renda both Sax the ball from second.

      I give Hernan the nod as Renda has an option

  7. Steve

    All spring I’ve favored Turner, Alcantara, Kivlehan and Iribarren. Went to the game yesterday and saw Iribarren make 2 bad throws on routine plays. One was high and the other wide right past the 1st baseman. He has made 5 errors so far this spring. I still favor him, but now am feeling 50/50 between him and Renda. Think Iribarren might still be more suited for the role this year and would rather see Renda get more PT in Louisville, but Renda could also use this year to better prepare himself to take over the utility role from 2018. Plus, Renda has an option left making him more flexible to move between Cincinnati and Louisville. I also feel that there is only one bench spot to be decided with Turner, Alcantara and Kivlehan basically locked into the other 3 bench spots.

    • DHud

      Another factor to look at is playing time available in Louisville, but maybe from a different perspective. I like Renda better than Iribarren, but Renda’s option is going to play into the decision. If there is a spot in the lineup in Louisville available for him to play everyday, send Renda down and keep both players in the organization. But if there are enough guys at Louisville, Renda’s days as an everyday player are over and his days as an MLB utility bench player can start

  8. DHud

    Article on Raburn’s release by Sheldon lists Elizalde as a candidate for the bench. Good to see his name in the conversation, even if it’s just an after thought. I think he will hot enough to be a good 4th OF

  9. vegastypo

    Cody Reed walks the first two batters he faces Monday against the Giants, both left-handed hitters, and they both score. Of course. Hate those walks …

    Marty talking about how Price would prefer a veteran pitcher to pitch the Reds’ fourth game of the season, which is the Cardinals’ home opener. With Feldman on Opening Day, and probably Finnegan next, that would leave one of the youngsters to pitch the third game, and then a ‘veteran’ next. Marty made the obvious connection to Arroyo. Kids can’t handle Opening Day, nor another team’s season opener.

    • Patrick Jeter

      Marty doesn’t think anyone below the age of 28 can put their pants on, let alone pitch a major league baseball game.

      • vegastypo

        This is Marty talking about what Price was saying. That’s the part that I find worrisome.

  10. sezwhom

    I’m already worried about our starting pitching. Asking a lot out of a few.

    • Patrick Jeter

      And 4 walks. That is a pretty rough line. They must have had a pitch amount they wanted him to reach today.

      That puts Cody’s spring ERA into the 25 range.

      • Patrick Jeter

        Nevermind… ESPN’s boxscore shows the “game ERA” for some stupid reason.

      • Scotly50

        I thought this guy was going to be our Ace after his spring training last year. It is very discouraging.

      • Patrick Jeter

        Agreed. We just have to keep telling ourselves he’s still rather young!

  11. vegastypo

    I’ve had a change of heart about Raburn. Keep him around and see if he can pitch.

  12. sandman

    Here’s what don’t understand, Price said that with Bailey & DeSclafani’s injuries the reds are gonna have a lot of youth in the starting rotation. So it’s basically because of them 2 pitchers. Now, I really don’t have an issue with this move, there’s just a certain aspect that I’m having trouble figuring. From what I’ve heard Arroyo is doing pretty ok this spring and has impressed enough to get reds brass to consider putting him in the rotation. IF, Arroyo does make the rotation, that would give the reds 2 veterans in the rotation. But, apparently, that possibility was not enough to keep Raburn. I don’t understand that. Bcuz they wouldn’t have as much youth in the starting rotation. The only thing I can derive from this right now is that reds brass has already made up their mind about Arroyo in that he’s NOT gonna make the rotation and will be, at best, a reliever. Am I right or what?

      • sandman

        Jim, but it don’t say in the rotation. But, if he does make the rotation, I guess that wasn’t enough to keep Raburn. Like I said though, I don’t have a problem with the move. But, the Reds did just demote Jennings and it was thought that both Raburn & Jennings would be a good veteran presence off our bench.

  13. Jim Walker

    I wonder if this will impact on the Reds catching situation:

    Catcher Bryan Holaday has opted out of minor league deal with the Phillies. On the surface, there wouldn’t seem to be much to differentiate Holaday from Rob Brantly except Holaday has manage to log MLB time every season since 2012 while Brantly saw no MLB time in 2014 or 2015. Perhaps this suggests Holaday is more valued as a receiver?

    The more eye grabbing news for (at least nostalgic) Reds fans in the same article is that the Phillies have also parted ways with Ryan Hanigan. As recently as 2015 Hanigan now closing in on 37 years of age, posted a.664 OPS in 201 PAs before falling off the edge in 2016 (.468 OPS in 113 PAs).

    If I was in Dick Williams’ shoes, I’d trying to get the best information available as to what Hanigan may have left to give a team. Is he healthy? Can he still (physically) catch? What’s the prospect he could recover his OBP skills to .330?

    If the answers to these questions are positive, then Williams has two more questions to get answered. 1)What is the best estimate of when Devin Mesoraco may be able to pull his weight in the two man catching tandem situation Bryan Price has described as his ideal all spring; and 2)Is Stuart Turner viewed a legitimate back up catching prospect in 2018 or later?

    If the answers to these questions are later rather than sooner and anything less than a resounding yes, Williams should look into bringing Hanigan on board.

    • old-school

      I understand the concerns with Turner’s offense and his inexperience as a major leaguer. Yet, the Reds got him in the Rule 5 draft for this very reason…as insurance for Mesoraco if he wasn’t ready. By all accounts Turner has been a very good catcher and surprisingly hit very well. If they don’t keep him, what was the point? Wouldn’t the Reds be contradicting themselves? We thought this scenario might happen, we made a contingency plan…it worked to perfection….yet…were abandoning it. I think Turner is on the team.

      • Jim Walker

        My feeling is that the substantial changes in the starting rotation versus what was projected back in December make it reasonable to revisit the catching situation.

        Barring a late trade, FA signing, or waiver claim, the Reds rotation is going to feature at least 2 and hopefully three guys who are functionally rookies. If Hanigan can catch 2-3 days a week, he would be worth his weight in gold for the assistance he would provide tutoring those young pitchers.

        As I said above, if the Reds really believe Turner is a legitimate prospect to be the back up catcher on a playoff competitive team down the road, then that reinforces the equation in his favor. Otherwise why walk away from a potentially more valuable option over the low cost of a Rule 5 pick?

    • jazzmanbbfan

      Much as I liked Hanigan when he was here I have doubts that he has anything of value left in the tank other than his knowledge. I’m hoping he turns to managing if this is the end of his playing career. I think he would make a good one.

      • Jim Walker

        Through the years a lot of folks around the game have said Hanigan would make a good mgr someday.

      • lwblogger2

        That’s where I’m at on it as well. I’d also take Brantly over Holaday as Brantly is already familiar with the pitching staff.

      • lwblogger2

        Er, I mean Turner over Holaday, as he is already familiar with the pitching staff.

    • Shchi Cossack

      The Old Cossack has been a staunch and vocal proponent for consideration of Ryan Hanigan as the next manager for the Cincinnati Reds. The opportunity just fell in DW’s lap, if Ryan Hanigan is interested in managing a major league baseball team.

      There’s an opening available in the Reds organization as a Special Assistant to the GM. I think Hanigan has pushed his career as a player as far as it will fly and it’s time to move on from his playing days. DW needs to get Hanigan’s agent on the phone and bring him on board now, while the rebuild is reaching its final stage(s). This gives Hanigan time to acclimate himself with the young players in the organization and (re)acclimate himself with the major league roster. Hanigan and DW can use the opportunity to assert and identify the common views and differences they have regarding running the Reds baseball operations and the major league operations, including personality meshes and/or conflicts. Hanigan has the opportunity to familarizes himself with the major league coaching staff and minor league coaching staffs throughout the organization. At the end of the 2017 season, DW and BC make a decision regarding the efficacy of Hanigan as the next manager for the Cincinnati Reds and if everything comes up roses, Ryan Hanigan is named the manager of the Cincinnati Reds the day after the 2017 world series concludes, with intimate knowledge of the Reds organization and a solid working relationship with the GM. If the arrangement doesn’t work for DW, BC or Hanigan, then a thorough and comprehensive search for a new manager begins as soon as that realization is affirmed.

      • TR

        I like what you say about getting Ryan Hanigan seasoned as the future manager of the Reds, but it’s going to be difficult to get rid of Bryan Price if, this year, the Reds are the surprise team of the NLC.

      • Shchi Cossack

        I’ll wager the farm, that such a challenge or hurdle would be welcomed by Reds fans, one and all!

  14. sixpacktwo

    The team thinks Turner is long term and will try to trade or get him thru waivers this weekend. Even thro we need him for backup there may be no better time to get him to AAA. There are plenty of backups out there right now for the short term..

    • lwblogger2

      They can’t waive him. He was a Rule V pickup. They need to keep him on the 25-man roster or offer him back to the Twins. They could perhaps also work out a trade which would essentially involve offering him back and then trading for him.

  15. WVRedlegs

    OF Chris Coghlan was released by the Phillies, so not to pay him $3M for making Opening Day roster. Coghlan is a LH hitter. He is also very versatile as he can play 1B, 2B, 3B, LF, CF, and RF. This may be a better choice than Desmond Jennings who can only play the OF. Limited versatility was Raburn’s downfall, and could be Jennings’s as well. Jennings is a year and a half younger though. Both Coghlan and Jennings had tough years last year. But if Coghlan can regain what he had with the Cubs in 2014-2015, he would be the better option over Jennings, who hasn’t been healthy the last 2 seasons.

    • lwblogger2

      I like Coghlan but not at $3-million (or even $2-million) and perhaps not over Jennings. Jennings is still young enough that if we wanted to gamble on future contributions, he’s more likely to come through. If the Reds were closer to contending, perhaps I’d take Coghlan over Jennings.

  16. vegastypo

    My first reaction to this is that Coghlan might also be somebody they could trade at the deadline …

  17. Steve Schoenbaechler

    No hitting, no defense, no need.