Spring Training

Goodyear journal 3/18 – Arroyo, Romano, Mesoraco

Notes from morning batting practice

Joey Votto, Billy Hamilton, Zack Cozart and Devin Mesoraco hit with the first group. After that were the other guys who were starting in the afternoon game.

Even in batting practice, no one hits like Votto. No pop-ups, no ground balls, nothing soft. Just hard-hit balls all over the yard. He hit line drives over the 3B at will.

Devin Mesoraco looked stiff swinging. Like he was working hard to get his shoulders up high during his swing. More on Mes hitting later.

Desmond Jennings showed a lot of power and hit well around the field. Cozart hit well, too.

 David Laurila has an interesting interview with Padres hitting coach Alan Zinter. If you want to get a sense of how advanced hitting instruction is now, read it. It’s a long way from “keep your eye on the ball, kid.”

Notes from the afternoon game vs. the Texas Rangers played at Goodyear Ballpark.

You’ve probably heard about the Arroyo-Mesoraco play already. Bronson Arroyo was hit on the left cheek by a ball thrown by Devin Mesoraco who was pegging 2B on a stolen base attempt. How could that happen with two veterans? The delayed steal was the root of the problem. Arroyo had already turned his shoulders and looked down. Mesoraco was caught by surprise and threw from his knees. That made the throw low. Arroyo didn’t duck. After two long conferences, they took Arroyo out. Apparently he’s fine. Here’s the C. Trent Rosecrans report.

Arroyo leaving the field after being hit in face by ball

Since Bronson Arroyo is OK, a more important question is how was he pitching. Eh. If you thought he was junky before, Arroyo (40) is an uber-junky soft-tosser now. He fooled a few hitters (gloriously, one was Carlos Gomez) but he was also pounded. Joey Gallo hit a line drive homer to right field off Arroyo that I thought might destroy the pavilion. I hate to say this, because I enjoy watching him work, but Arroyo’s pitching comes at the cost of other opportunities. Despite all the injuries, young pitchers are impressing and need a chance. That brings me to …

Get used to thinking of Sal Romano (23, RHP) as a starter for the Reds. Romano made his fifth appearance this spring today. He’s thrown 15.1 innings, with 19 Ks and 3 walks. Today he went 4.2 innings and the Rangers barely laid a barrel on him, including a bunch of major league hitters. The one run he gave up was unearned. He had three strikeouts, on off-speed pitches. Bryan Price pulled Romano after he recorded two outs in the 8th. The Reds let him bat in the bottom of the 7th. Romano bats lefty and had failed to get a sac bunt down in his first AB.

Romano made 27 starts for AA-Pensacola last year, throwing 156 innings. He was chosen in the 23rd round of the 2011 draft. He’a big guy – 6’5″ and 270 lbs. He throws right over the top. Start your learning about Romano by reading this great post that Kourage Kundahl wrote for us last September. Bottom line: After today, I’ll be surprised if Romano isn’t put on a schedule to stretch out for a spot on the Opening Day roster. Big news.

Devin Mesoraco caught the first four innings. In his second AB, he smashed a Yu Darvish pitch to deep left center field for a double – a home run at GABP. Best hit of the day for the Reds.

Devin Mesoraco catching

The defensive play of the game for the Reds came from shortstop Zach Vincej (VINCE-ee). In the top of the 7th, Vincej (25) laid out for a ground ball over the middle – he ended up on the 1B side of 2B – bounced up and record the out.

Honorable mention on defense goes to Stuart Turner (25), who caught the rest of the game after Mesoraco left. Turner was a Rule 5 pick this off-season from the Twins. That means if he doesn’t make the Opening Day roster and stay there, he goes back to Minnesota. I can see where his reputation for great defense comes from. He threw two laser shots to 2B on stolen base attempts and gloved a pop-up leaning far into the Rangers dugout. Mesoraco is going to make the OD roster, so the Reds would have to carry three catchers to keep him and I can’t see Turner’s defense being worth that.

Hate to be negative like this, but Tony Renda was less than great at 2B today. He didn’t field one of Turner’s rifle shots on a SB attempt that was right on the bag. That was the second time in the game he’d failed to make a play. Renda did work a walk off of Darvish and stole second.

The Rangers played the most extreme outfield shift on Joey Votto that I’ve seen. The RF was playing to the center field side of RCF. The CF was playing in left center. All of right field was open. Votto busted a Yu Darvish pitch, but it went right at the RF. Score one for defensive shifts.

Have to question the idea of playing baseball games in Phoenix, building stadiums with less than 20% of the seats in shade, then scheduling most of the games at 1 p.m. Throw climate change in there if you believe in science. Either way, sitting in the sun today was unbearable. Half-way through the game, sections in the sun were vacant. Sections in the shade were full. There’s plenty of shade in the concourse area, just nowhere to sit there. The thought of leaving early crossed my mind a hundred times. Stayed to see Romano finish.

30 thoughts on “Goodyear journal 3/18 – Arroyo, Romano, Mesoraco

  1. Great recap Steve. Just thought I’d add that Sal is actually only 23! Crazy cause it feels like he’s been around for a while.

  2. I was out there last year at the end of spring training. The sun was very uncomfortable.

    Also, I finally know how to say Vincej (probably missed it several times).

    Question: Do you think Mes just needs more reps/at-bats to get his swing back and not look “stiff”? Or do you think he is experiencing discomfort from past injuries? Obviously, there is no way for you to be sure.

    • More reps. I’ve been saying for a while that his hips will be back to normal way before his hitting timing is back.

      • On the telecast Friday, Jim Day did a couple of minutes with Mesoraco from the dugout during the game.

        JD asked Meso if he had experienced “any cause for concern” either with his hips or shoulder aside from needing to regain his “baseball timing”. Meso’s reply was that he wasn’t going to say he “felt completely perfect but that he was happy with the direction they were headed”. He followed on by saying his hips felt “great”, his shoulder felt “really really good”.

        Mesoraco said he doesn’t know exactly what the master plan is. That gets figured out by the training and medical staffs in concert with Bryan Price. However he feels like as long as he doesn’t experience any setbacks, there is time for him to be ready by opening day to meet Price’s criteria of catching 50% of the games including some days back to back.

        So why did my mind immediately flash back to the Homer Bailey quotes from January that his elbow didn’t feel the same “normal” as it had before his injury but “everything is OK” and he should have enough time to be ready for the start of the season……

        http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/mlb/reds/2017/01/29/reds-starter-homer-bailey-says-he-should-ready-spring/97187030/

          • Steve: I’m really glad you’re down there and giving us your impressions. Spring training is impossible to decipher from box scores and official press releases. Careful of that sun!

        • I suspect that many (most?) players tend to downplay or try to ignore injuries until it becomes impossible to to hide them. Competitiveness? Fear of being Wally Pipped? But I also suspect that most players, particularly once the season begins, are playing hurt to some degree. This doesn’t accord with the narrative of the incompetent Reds’ medical staff, but I’ve never bought that narrative anyway.

          • That’s something I’ve brought up several times, especially when I hear the “Why didn’t they give him an MRI?” question. Players are in pain a lot. Pitchers in particular often experience a lot of discomfort. It’s often considered normal, as crazy as that sounds. Sometimes they don’t really know there’s an actual problem until the damage has gotten worse. Players want to play for the most part. My elbow was killing me at 3B in one game and the other team picked up on it and bunted on me twice in a row. I made the play both times but apparently looked as uncomfortable as I felt and my coach took me out once we went back to the dugout. I was mad as heck at him but it was the right thing to do for the team and for me. It turned out to only be tendonitis but it could have been something worse.

  3. Just go all in with the rookies. Garrett, Romano, Reed, Stephenson and Finnegan. Send Feldman to the bullpen.

    Just do it.

      • Once DeSclafani and Bailey come back, insert them in, sending whoever is struggling the worse either to the pen or AAA. But Feldman looks to be mediocre from what I can see. Bite the bullet and lets see how the young’uns do. I guess it will cost the Reds in terms of an additional year of control or whatever – stuff, I don’t totally understand, but in the meantime, draft more arms.

        Is ANYONE going to come out to watch Feldman start a game?

  4. I continue to be intrigued by Turner. His defensive reputation coming over was certainly justified. I really doubr the Reds will carry 3 catchers on the 25-man roster, but with Price managing, they could without hindering the bench. I wonder what it would take to retain Turner if the Reds want to keep him around without taking up a spot on the 25-man roster. The Twins have a full 40-man roster, including 3 catchers. They would have to make a move to clear 40-man roster space If they wanted to take him back if offered. With that said, the Reds might be able to swing a deal for a very questionable, low-level prospect. I certainly like Turner more than any other catching prospect in the Reds minor league system not named Okey or Stephenson and would feel a lot more comfortable with Tuner playing at AAA than Brantly, Wallach or Zarraga.

    • I may be unclear on the rules, but I didn’t think Minnesota had to put Turner on their 40-man roster if returned. He wasn’t on their 40-man to begin with, which is why he was eligible for the Rule V draft. If players that were to be returned had to be added to the original team’s 40 man roster, that would add a lot more nuance. Regardless, from what I’ve read recently, maybe on RML, is that Minnesota would want him back.

      I wasn’t a fan of this Rule V pick to start, but as things have progressed I’ve come around to wanting to see the Reds keep Turner. Much, like what you mentioned above is that the Reds don’t have great options above A ball. Brantley is a one year depth type of guy for AAA. Another part of that is the Reds had Graterol on their roster at the time and I thought he and Turner were similar types of players but Graterol didn’t have to be on the 25-man roster. But after Rule V they released Graterol and he was claimed. So, now we’re back to Chad Wallach being our best C option that’s played above Dayton.

      • You may very well be correct about the 40-man requirment for taking Turner back. I’m not particularly well-versed on the details regarding the rule 5 draft. That would certainly make it easier (and probably a lock) that the Twins would take him back unless the Reds sweetened the pot considerably, and I don’t know that would happen.

      • The trade idea is a great one for Turner.

        Worst case scenario, Tucker does have an option and having him in the minors for April might not be as silly as one might normally think as both Garrett and Romano are being groomed for their May elevation into the starting rotation.

        Don’t know if the trade is better for us before the season or once the season begins but Turner is a keeper. Now how to hold

    • How about putting Mes on the DL to start the season? Gives him a couple weeks to shake off some more rust and the FO time to make a move on Turner.

  5. The sun and heat can be brutal. I spend time in Scottsdale/Phoenix and 96 degrees in March is hot! Although, beats the 118 I had to endure last July. Nice recap Steve.

  6. If the Reds keep both Iribarren and Alcantara, they would have a lot of INF/OF versatility and maybe could keep a third catcher. I don’t believe it’s likely, but…

    I wonder what the plan is for Winker, and how attached the Reds are to guys like Kivlehan and Walker and Jennings….. Walker, Winker and Alcantara are on the 40-man.

  7. Garrett throws two pitches that could have been called strike 3 against Wil Myers… then Hunter Renfroe goes deep for 2 runs in the next AB. More proof that ERA is somewhat dubious. 2 ER versus 0 ER all on the whims of the umpire calling two 50/50 pitches balls.

    • I didn’t see those pitches, Patrick, but Schebler might have received a similar break as Myers. Schebler laid off an off-speed pitch that must have been inside. Looked pretty good to me. Two pitches later, boom: three-run homer.

  8. These Padres announcers are unintentionally funny, keep calling him Jesse Winkler. So of course, they get around to the Fonzi wisecracks. It’s W-I-N-K-E-R, guys. . … I guess what’s odd is that nobody with their broadcast production even notices and bothers to tell them.

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