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2017 Reds Caravan Report – Charleston, WV

[This report was submitted by loyal Nation member and super Reds fan John Rohrig, who attends caravan events every year. Lots of great information. Thanks, John!]

The 2017 edition of the Cincinnati Reds Caravan (East Tour) came to town Friday evening. On this year’s circuit was Reds broadcaster Jim Kelch — who emceed the event — Reds General Manager Dick Williams, new Reds pitcher Drew Storen, Reds broadcaster Jeff Brantley, Reds great Eric Davis, and 2016 2nd round draft pick C Chris Okey.

Reds GM Dick Williams signing autographs for some young fans while being interviewed by WCHS-AM Radio 580 sportscaster Jeff Jenkins.

Reds GM Dick Williams signing autographs for some young fans while being interviewed by WCHS-AM Radio 580 sportscaster Jeff Jenkins.

An enthusiastic, but smaller than usual, crowd greeted the Reds warmly. Jim Kelch introduced each participant to the crowd, and then did away with the Q & A session and asked the participants questions that they had heard throughout the day at their other stops. Not much of anything new was discussed, but a few updates were given. A few quick items from each participants questions:

Catcher Chris Okey: This being his first Reds Caravan, he has been soaking up the conversations between the others. He said the usual things, about wanting to report to spring training in great shape, doing whatever the club asks of him, and wanting to work hard at his craft. He is kind of built like a catcher: not tall, but stout.

Reds pitcher Drew Storen: The reason he signed with the Reds was to have the opportunity to close or pitch the late innings. He is happy to pitch in whatever role the Reds have for him, but he does want to close out games. He says he throws four pitches and he feels like having more of a starter’s arsenal gives him an advantage on the mound. He likes his fastball, and admittedly said he didn’t throw like Chapman, but liked to pinpoint it and to set up his change-up. He also said he likes to throw his change-up, which must be music to the ears of Reds manager Bryan Price. He said he was just eager to get to spring training and win a spot in the bullpen.

Reds GM Dick Williams: Williams was asked about the Brandon Phillips situation right off the bat, but Williams very diplomatically answered this by saying the Reds were fortunate to have four quality middle infielders, two veterans and two young up-and-comers.

He said Devin Mesoraco went through his workouts a couple of weeks ago and that Devin reported he was fine afterwards. Williams said the next step is to get Mesoraco into spring training and working with the pitchers. If there are no setbacks, the next step would to get him into some game situations and then some game time to see how he responds. It is just a wait and see situation now, but there was the sound of optimism. There wasn’t any mention of Matt Weiters, but the way Williams sounded about Mesoraco, it doesn’t seem very likely that the Reds are in on Weiters.

Next up Williams discussed Homer Bailey. This where the optimism left Williams’ voice. Nothing was said specifically, but there was some concern in his voice. When Kelch first asked for the update on Bailey, Williams paused for a few seconds with a long ummmm, while he gathered his thoughts. He did say that Bailey had his workouts earlier in the off-season, had thrown off a mound, and was now doing his off-season workouts. This is where that little bit of concern creeps in. He said that Bailey reported that he has been experiencing some soreness in his arm, but then said that should be expected since Homer has been out so long. He did say that with Mesoraco and Bailey, if they get both back healthy and near their 2014 form, that it would be like picking up 2 quality free agents. However, it just sounds like Homer Bailey isn’t out of the woods yet concerning his elbow.

When Kelch asked Williams about the rumors of Bronson Arroyo and a possible return to the Reds, it was received with warm applause from the audience. He said that Arroyo was in and they are interested to see if Bronson can still pitch. He said that Arroyo would be a positive influence on the younger pitchers and he hoped they might work something out. With that said, look for Arroyo to be in the Reds spring training camp in some form or fashion. It most likely won’t be on a major league contract, but more a minor league deal with an invite to spring training. It’ll be good to have Bronson back, but it’ll be up to Bronson and his arm to be on the 25-man roster when the Reds break camp. Maybe there is a cause and effect relationship between the soreness in Bailey’s arm and the Reds interest in Arroyo. Stay tuned.

Jeff Brantley and Eric Davis greeting fans and signing autographs.

Jeff Brantley and Eric Davis greeting fans and signing autographs.

Former Red Eric Davis: Davis was asked about the hitting in the minors, but responded that he didn’t really want to single any one player out. He said there is a good group of hitters in the system and then went ahead and singled a few out. He said many were in the lower minors and, aside from Nick Senzel, he liked Aristides Aquino and Shed Long. He also mentioned Gavin LaValley, who was a lineman in football in high school, according to Davis, and had lost a lot of weight, maybe 70 pounds, to play baseball. Davis said that LaValley has exceptional bat speed.

Then Davis paid a huge compliment to Nick Senzel and Chris Okey. I guess Eric was doing some coaching with the Dayton Dragons team this past year. He said the first half of their season was very discouraging with the bad record Dayton had amassed. But he said it all changed when Nick Senzel and Chris Okey came to Dayton. He said the locker room atmosphere and the team chemistry changed immediately upon their arrivals, and he thought they would be future leaders of the Reds. That was really nice to hear.

Reds broadcaster Jeff Brantley: Brantley said that the pitching really needs to take a step or two forward this coming year for the Reds and the re-build to progress. He is optimistic the Reds will have a much better bullpen and that a couple of the young starters will emerge in 2017.

Plenty of reasons for optimism for the Reds in 2017. There are also plenty of reasons to lather up that optimism in a good dose of caution, too. The Reds had a bad first half last year and responded with a respectable second half. If the Reds first half this year is worse than last year’s second half, there might be reason for concern. But if the Reds first half this year is as good or better than that second half, that will bode well for the re-build. It is going to be a very interesting spring training and 2017 season. We are just going to have to wait to see how it all plays out. Pitchers and catchers report in just over two weeks, so it won’t be long.

28 thoughts on “2017 Reds Caravan Report – Charleston, WV

  1. Homer’s situation doesn’t look good or sound promising for 2017.

    Arroyo is available, what’s ol’ Harang up to these days? lol

    • Homer and Mesoraco… That is a lot of money tied up in injured players who might not ever make it back…

  2. Good stuff John. Thanks for this update. One take away here. We’ve all been excited about Nick Senzel and perhaps ignored Chris Okey a bit. It’s nice to hear that as knowledgable an observer as Eric Davis (one of my all time favorite Reds BTW) is high on Okey as well.

    • Eric the Red (along with Vada Pinson) are my two all-time favorite Reds. His comments regarding Okey and Senzel are promising.

  3. I said when he had the surgery that Homer would never be back to the form that got him the mega-contract and reading Jeff Passan’s book just made me even more sure of it. People might complain about Votto’s contract (wrongly) but the real albatross on the Reds is Homer and his lack of health.

    • This is a prime example of why giving pitchers long-term deals is an ‘iffy’ proposition.

    • $90 million down the drain. The Reds are not a big enough business to throw that kind of money away. Hitters are much less of a risk.

    • My take on Bailey and what Williams said, was more that Bailey would have to work through the soreness in the spring, and that the possibility of him not starting the season with the Reds is there. It might be May before he would be activated. But that all depends on how Bailey feels in spring training after throwing some innings. I think they want to be prepared for this in case it happens.
      Bailey said to the Enquirer that he feels like he should be ready for spring. So we shall see. Time will tell. I am pulling for Bailey to get back healthy. He and Mesoraco both. They will both combined account for about $34MM in salary in 2018.

  4. I suppose they could eventually use Bailey as a closer, kind of like the Braves did with Smoltz when he had elbow issues. A closer only throws about 55 innings a year, anyway.

    • Arm soreness is part of recovering and throwing after such a long layoff. Chris Carpenter relieved for the Cardinals for a while after his first return from TJ surgery. I’m surprised the Reds put Homer right into the rotation. I think that was a mistake, however well – meaning it was. Smoltz is another good example, as he relieved for a full year after TJ surgery recovery.

      • Smoltz missed 2000, then both started and relieved in limited duty in 2001, getting 5 starts and 10 saves. For the next 3 years, he was purely a closer, getting 144 saves from 2002-2004. Thereafter, he returned as a starter and never relieved in another game.

        I have no idea, medically, why relieving would be easier on the elbow than starting, other than obviously fewer innings, but it worked for Smoltz.

        • Could be repetitive motion and fatigue, in terms of relieving over starting.
          Same thing with the elbow problem that Lorenzen had early last year, and Iglesias’ shoulder problems.
          Homer had shoulder problems a few years ago, before he bulked up in his upper body.

      • I sure hope they have. Better to get something out of Bailey, assuming the worst.

      • Maybe Homer will pull the biggest switch-aroo we’ve ever seen and surprise us all!

        DW: Then why are you smiling?
        Homer: Because I know something you don’t know.
        DW: And what is that?
        Homer: I am not [right]-handed.

        **Starts throwing 105 mph heaters with opposite hand…

  5. Thanks for the report John. I’m still hoping that the report on Homer is premature and that he can be at least a number 5 starter. If not, I guess we’ll get one of our young prospects as the fifth starter.

  6. Thanks all for reading. I hope that Bailey’s return is not delayed any longer and I hope he returns to form. It was just Williams’ long pause with the “ummmmm” that the first thing that went through my mind was “uh, oh”. And then the other shoe fell with he mentioned the soreness. I would suppose that it may be normal, but it has been almost 2 years since the surgery. Heck I get up every morning with some sort of soreness, hopefully it isn’t anything to be alarmed about. If he is still having the soreness at the end of March, then there could be reason for concerns. If we have to wait until May, so be it, as long as he returns healthy and able to pitch well. With April’s weather in Cincinnati, it might not be a bad thing for him to miss a few starts to begin the season if he is still sore. We’ll have to wait for it all to play out. It is going to be a very interesting spring training.
    Thanks again all.

  7. Arroyo was very good in his stint with the Reds, but I don’t think he has a future on the Red’s roster. Although I he would be very useful as a coach.

  8. The cardinals got off easy. They are to give the Astros 2 million, and lose their top two picks in the upcoming draft. They had already lost the number 1 pick by signing a player that req. that, so they lose a comp pick and their number two pick. The red sox, for example, lost five picks for trying to exceed international signings.

    • The Red Sox, as an organization, knowingly and intentionally tried to circumvent the rules of MLB

      A rogue Cardinal employee violated a variety of federal laws. He was fired immediately and is going to federal prison. Unless there is proof that the Cardinals knew, should have known or in some way encouraged or condoned then it seems the punishment is reasonable

      • It went on for 2 and a half years. They benefitted from the stolen information. They should have lost a first round pick; since they–probably purposely–already sacrificed this year’s, they should have lost next year’s. Also, It’s all well and good to give stuff to the Astros, but the teams in the NL Central are more directly harmed by the Cardinals cheating and the draft pick punishment should have been more severe.

        Oh, and how will Chris Carpenter explain this to his children?

  9. This is regarding hacking Houstons system a few years back and releasing the information to everyone later.

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