2016 Reds / 2017 Reds

Reds outright five players to Louisville

Here’s the first wave of roster moves. Expect more soon:

The Reds announced this afternoon that outfielder Tyler Holt, infielder/outfielder Patrick Kivlehan, catcher Rafael Lopez and right-handed pitchers Matt Magill and Jon Moscot have cleared waivers and been sent outright to Triple-A Louisville, thus removing each from the team’s 40-man roster.

By all reports, Holt, Lopez, and Magill will elect to become minor league free agents after the end of the World Series and will probably be plying their trade elsewhere next year. Moscot will stick with the Reds to continue rehabbing after Tommy John surgery. Kivlehan will try to win a spot on the 2017 Reds bench.

Doug Gray had some additional analysis:

These moves get the Cincinnati Reds 40-man roster down to 41 players, including those on the 60-day disabled list. There are only two players scheduled to become free agents, Alfredo Simon and Ross Ohlendorf, and when the World Series ends the team will then be down to 39 players. The team will have to find more roster spots as things get closer to late November when they have to decide who to add to the 40-man roster to protect from the Rule 5 draft. For a list of players eligible for protection/selection, I’ve got you covered right here. There will be some interesting decisions to be made and if I had to guess, some surprising names that could be left off.

You should read the whole thing, if you aren’t too distressed over the news that Alfredo Simon and Ross Ohlendorf won’t be Reds next year.

24 thoughts on “Reds outright five players to Louisville

  1. The tender/non-tender a contract period will have a big effect on the 40-man roster. Cozart could become a non-tender casualty. Not likely, but possible. It is going to be very interesting to see what the Reds do about Blake Wood and Tony Cingrani. Both are arb. eligible and may see a little bump in salary. Whatever their salaries are projected to be have to be weighed against how much a 40-man roster spot will be worth to the Reds. Jumbo will be a non-tender casualty. Keyvious Sampson, Wandy Peralta and Abel De Los Santos could be a DFA casualties. Whether they make it through waivers will be another story. It is possible that Sampson could be tucked away on the 40-man, but far from guaranteed. Most years these would be small moves, but this off-season being so pivotal, there is added intrigue.

    • There was note on MLB Traderumors two days ago that Seattle is expected to revisit the Cozart and prospect for Luiz Gohara (19 year old LH SP 1.82 ERA in 10 GS in A Midwest League in 2016, MLB.com #5 prospect for Seattle) and a prospect deal that they nearly completed before the trade deadline.

      • That would be something if they could steal Gohara for Cozart. The Mariners are thin at SS, C, and the corner OF slots, but glad they are still interested. This is where the Reds could get Seattle interested in Mesoraco as a backup C and their LF spot. The M’s finished 3 games out of the AL wild card race, so they will be on the market for some upgrades. Lets hope they do their SS shopping in Cincinnati.

        • I’m all for getting anything for Cozart. Getting a team’s #5 prospect would be like gravy. Dumping Mez and his increase in salary would also being like found money. I think there would be zero interest in Mez, especially at C and even more so at OF. If you had said DH, then there might be some interest. Moving Mes for anything you can get is a win in my book for salary relief alone.

  2. @WV: Good list. But get something for Cozart (do not DFA); he has some value. Keep Cingrani and maybe Sampson. The Reds can cut or risk the loss of the others.

    • I’m not sure what you see in Cingrani. He is more a part of the problem in this bullpen, than the solution.

  3. I agree that Cingrani should be kept. It is too early to give up on him. If he can learn an off speed pitch he can control he could still be a valuable piece in the bullpen. The others I am not sure about possibly keep Sampson. The rest I think we should risk the DFA route.

    • We’ve been saying this about Cingrani and a good off-speed pitch for quite awhile. He doesn’t even consistently command his one supposedly good pitch. He does have a fairly fearsome scowl, but that probably appears after one of his lead-off walks.

  4. I wouldn’t have too much of a problem bringing back Simon, but only as a reliever, and on a short leash. We’ve seen he’s lost it as a starter. Is there enough gas for reliever?

    • I would much rather give a roster spot to one of the many guys we have in AAA who aren’t going to make it as a starter

    • No, hold a lottery for that spot and give it to Joe Fan or sign the best pitcher in Independent leagues or from Siberian league. ANYTHING but Simon.

      It reminds of the Braves of the 80s, having one or two 5.00+ ERA guys and bringing them back, year after year. You don’t bring back a horrible pitcher, you don’t even see him off, you just erase his number from your mobile and pretend he doesn’t exist.

  5. My guess would be that Cozart is a prime nontender suspect if they don’t deal him before the roster has to be set for the Rule 5. He would be in his last year of team control, cost them around $5M if they got stuck with his contract, and, who knows how long into 2017 the knee will allow him to perform at an acceptable level. All of this plus he’s blocking a guy who other than power showed more offense and that he could hold up his end defensively at SS. It seems to me they take what’s there early or drop him. He’s just not worth a 40 man spot over the winter given where the club is, where he is at this point in time and the need for 40, man spots.

  6. Trade Cozart
    DFA Keyvious
    Keep Wandy Peralta
    DFA DeLos Santos

    There. All finished

  7. Not opposed to reading Cozart but I am against ton tendering him. And please,please do not even mention Simon’s name as a possibility of taking up a roster spot. There are too many better options. Simon’s MLB days are in the rearview mirror. The Reds got all they could squeeze out of him with one decent year and then flipped him for a pretty good player in Suarez.

  8. Pitching will not be a problem unless injuries start happening again.We could get rid of the pen except Iggy and Lorenzen and back fill it with the guys who lose out in the starter competition and still be better over a 162 game season.This is what should be done along with adding a piece or two and free agency to the pen.Our pitching will improve just because of these reasons.What to do with the position players that aren’t part of the future is the biggest challenge that the front office has going into next season.

  9. Ohlendorf, Josh Smith and Sampson can all be cut and I’d wouldn’t even notice them gone. Nothing with potential there. I don’t know much about De Los Santos.

    Is Tony Renda good? I didn’t even know he was in the organization. That said, I haven’t kept up with the minors this past year (or two) due to family distractions.

  10. Oh, and I am tired of the Jumbo Diaz experiment, cut bait.

    Cotham can be cut, and I hope, Yorman Rodriguez will be sent packing. He has no potential. The few that speak up for him speak of how it sounded good signing a 15 year old at the time, oozing with athleticism. He can’t play baseball…at all. Let him go.

    So, the Reds could actually cut more than needed, and even add a player in the Rule V draft.

    Seriously, does Cotham, Diaz, Yorman, Josh Smith, Sampson or Ohlendorf have ANY upside for the future? I have seen them all stink more often than not, and none are prospects any more given their ages and places (Yorman should be holding his own in AAA by now if any good).

  11. Those six I noted, do any have trade value beyond a low A 25 year old prospect in return? Nope.

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